Clare League 2006/07

[Side Cutter]

Great calculating hacker. If we break it down properly. A ref has a game in Shannon at 11.00, to be at the venue in time to do a pre match check means he leaves home at 10.00.
His 2nd game is in Newmarket at 2.30, with the game finishing at 4.15, (taking into account half time). By the time he gets home it is 5 O'Clock with his whole Sunday taken up.
By my calculation 10 in the morning untill 5.00 is 7 hours which comes in at 11.71 an hour (just above minimum wage).
I dont think there are too many players who would do a days work for €82.00.
If there are I am sure there employers would be willing to negoitiate.

Minimum wage is €8.30.Thats €3.41 above the minimum.Not bad for doing something you love.:D

[Interested]

By all means comment on a Refs performance but don't accuse a Ref of being a cheat on foot.ie,Christ knows its a hard job and there is a shortage of people to do it.

Don't say you weren't warned.

I did not accuse the ref of being a cheat. Talking to the ref in question, that is the comment that was passed to him by the player.

[Interested]

You have a point but your logic is flawed. Can you tell me that in your regular employment that you bill from the moment you leave the house to the moment you get home? I doubt it.

That said, you should get paid well for crappy work, and perhaps they sould get paid better. However no matter how badly paid or under appreciated they are, it does not give them the excuse to do a crappy job.

My point was that Sunday is probably the only day off from the normal run of the week working (some of us do still work 6 days).
It is not about the money involved that most referees give up their day off, some do it for the love of the game, wether it be crappy or not.
When somebody comes on the thread and starts breaking down the figures involved, it just shows what is thought of referees in Clare.

[Interested]

.. in this case a bit of common sense might have been used olympic 2-1 up and referee supposedly plays 8 mins injury and then moher equalize & ref blows final whistle... it would be very hard for players / manager to contain emotions ... yes a sending off offence and suspension but 8 month ban is a disgrace .. :ball:

Agreed, 8 months was harsh. As far as I know, there are no referees sitting on the Clare League Disciplinary Committee, they send in their reports and the League deal with it.
If the player/Club is unhappy with the decision they have the right to appeal to Clare first, then Munster and finally the FAI. The only problem being is that there is a fee attached to each appeal and I dont think I have ever heard of the FAI changing a decision from Munster, or Munster changing a decision from Clare.

[Interested]

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Are you are you a ref by any chance Interested-

No, but I used to be one. Some things never change, it would seem.

[the 12 th man]

I did not accuse the ref of being a cheat. Talking to the ref in question, that is the comment that was passed to him by the player.

The post was not addressed to you specifically Interested,what people call Refs at games is beyond what we can control here but I'm not going to have it on this forum.

[smellyfeet]

Olympic official throws the flag at the ref and gets 3 game ban.
8 Month Ban for calling a ref a cheat is totally out of order.
What hasn't been said yet is,in the Mohar V Olympic game after 1 of the Olympic goals the ball was thrown back up to the center circle,at the same time Olympic player was running back to his own half (not even looking at the ball) and the ball hits of his leg and moves 2/3 meters away from him, refs say's that he is adding on 2 minuites extra time for ball hitting his leg. Now how can it take 2 minuites to get the ball and place it on center circle from 2/3 meters away:confused:.

[old git]

Agreed, 8 months was harsh. As far as I know, there are no referees sitting on the Clare League Disciplinary Committee, they send in their reports and the League deal with it.
If the player/Club is unhappy with the decision they have the right to appeal to Clare first, then Munster and finally the FAI. The only problem being is that there is a fee attached to each appeal and I dont think I have ever heard of the FAI changing a decision from Munster, or Munster changing a decision from Clare.

thats the point i was trying to make waste of time player / club appealling can anybody else confirm has their club / player ever won an appeal against clare league .. munster & fai just take your money & then tell you it is a local league decision and they cant over rule them ..

[shelbourne1904]

Was the fact that the leagues would not entertain any abuse or hassling of referees made absolutely clear???This was as a result of so many of them pulling out after last season for this very reason.
In my opinion it was.
Was this passed from the clubs to the players??
If it wasnt the clubs are at fault.
If it was then then why would anybody get involved with referees if they already knew what the out come was going to be???


The arguements will go on forever about the standard of referees.The arguements will go one that they are paid and some do avery bad job,regularly.
The arguements will go on that if one ref does a great job and is fit and prepares properly yet the bad one who turns up ill prepared with a hangover gets the same money.

We are stuck with this at the moment because there are not enough of them.

THE MESSAGE IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR DONT GET INVOLVED WITH THEM OR YOU WILL GET SERIOUS SUSPENSIONS

[plasticpitch]

For me 8 months is excessive. what it has done is set a precedent that will be very hard to follow. some refs take talk like this in their stride, so really its down to the reaction of the man in the middle.
the whole affair stinks for me. i can understand players frustration at adding on so much injury time. it seems like there was an effort to punish olympic... for what reason i dont know.
now a 2nd punishment for 1 of their players. it seems personal to this ref against olympic or someone in the club.
on the other hand it might get some of the other 20-30 refs that would be attending any particular game to keep stum...
That would good for the game in general

[smellyfeet]

to be honest a lot of lads would do a days work for 82 euro tax free when only 3 hours of it is work..my main point was that how come these refs aren't getting accessed like they should be..for instance we had a ref this year that told 1 of our players who is foreign to get up your not in europe now.the player had recieved a fairly heavy tackle..this is racial abuse which shouldn't be tolerated but if reported the clare league would only say..stop causing trouble we have little enough refs as it is..the ref who was called a ch--t told the player straight out that he wouldn't play football again this year..and look he's out till next year..

Fair point there hacker, if the ref was a foreigner the player would be in serious trouble for racial abuse, it happened to a few years back in a game between Newmarket and Tulla.

Just back to my earlier post about 2/3 mins added on for ball hitting players leg accidently....This in my opinion is cheating...the match (Mohar v Olympic)
would have been over if these miniutes weren't added on and Olympic would have won the game 2-1, instead they drew 2 all because of the added time ref awarded for the ball hitting players leg. Remember the ref blew final whistle when Mohar scored their second goal in the 98th min. I can totally understand a player reacting in the way he did to the ref after game...but 8 months is a farce.

[Interested]

Was the fact that the leagues would not entertain any abuse or hassling of referees made absolutely clear???This was as a result of so many of them pulling out after last season for this very reason.
In my opinion it was.
Was this passed from the clubs to the players??
If it wasnt the clubs are at fault.
If it was then then why would anybody get involved with referees if they already knew what the out come was going to be???


The arguements will go on forever about the standard of referees.The arguements will go one that they are paid and some do avery bad job,regularly.
The arguements will go on that if one ref does a great job and is fit and prepares properly yet the bad one who turns up ill prepared with a hangover gets the same money.

We are stuck with this at the moment because there are not enough of them.

THE MESSAGE IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR DONT GET INVOLVED WITH THEM OR YOU WILL GET SERIOUS SUSPENSIONS

Good point Shelbourne.
2 of the more senior and better referees packed up the game this season for that very reason.
The experiance of the 2 referees for tough matches or any match for that matter has not been replaced.
I agree that some referees act in a very proffessional manner, where as others dont, the same can be said for Players and clubs.
At the end of the day we were all in it for enjoyment and the love of the game and while there will always be a them against us attitude from all sides this debate will continue to run & run & run & run..............................

[Sweetchips]

The discussion on refs WILL run and run and really the wrong discussion is being had here.

What is the procedure for the disciplining of players in the Clare League?
Why is there no representation from the referees at these hearings?

To go back to Shels point, yes the clubs were made aware and in turn the players were made aware (i presume), sure wasn't every player aware of the ref shortage, but in the heat of the moment haven't we all lost it.

It would seem the lenght of the ban reflects the severity and what weight the referee put behind the complaint. You can bet that if, if a referee reports a crime to the CL in a severe manner they will find in his favour after all, they can't take the chance of losing him....it goes back to my original question, what is the procedure for this, are there guidelines even from the referee association on lenghts of bans for different offences, or did the CL make it up as they went along.

[chappie]

i would just like to make a point about refs and i dont mean to have a go because it aint easy but was involved in two matches this year of complete contrast...one were both teams had a bit of history and you could see it about to boil over and a boxing match occured.In fairness the ref sent all 6 involved and told the players to cop on,wasnt particularly nigly as ref called the game well...due to the fact the players knew the ref ment business the rest of the game passed off peacefully

while a few weeks later against different opposition 3 players were needlessly sent of due to the fact that the ref let lads act the boll1x i.e mouth off at each other,late tackles,climbing which were all fairly blatant....with a different ref this mightent of happened and anytime there was a bit of handbags the ref was looking around for the nearest exit.....5 minutes to go he called in the 2 captains for a word but by then it was to late...in fairness had this ref for other games and was no bother probably as he wanted to let the game flow and it was a clean game....

but the difference in styles has a big bearing on games and it is easy to see why lads lose the head...consistency would be a help and i know every ref has there own style...both these refs would be premier refs as wel

[Side Cutter]

The discussion on refs WILL run and run and really the wrong discussion is being had here.

What is the procedure for the disciplining of players in the Clare League?
Why is there no representation from the referees at these hearings?

To go back to Shels point, yes the clubs were made aware and in turn the players were made aware (i presume), sure wasn't every player aware of the ref shortage, but in the heat of the moment haven't we all lost it.

It would seem the lenght of the ban reflects the severity and what weight the referee put behind the complaint. You can bet that if, if a referee reports a crime to the CL in a severe manner they will find in his favour after all, they can't take the chance of losing him....it goes back to my original question, what is the procedure for this, are there guidelines even from the referee association on lenghts of bans for different offences, or did the CL make it up as they went along.

To answer your question there is no procedure in clare.The referees report goes directly to the TREASURER Frank Healy who in turn decides what ban is to be given without consultation from ANYONE else in the cl......:ball:

[shelbourne1904]

Great calculating hacker. If we break it down properly. A ref has a game in Shannon at 11.00, to be at the venue in time to do a pre match check means he leaves home at 10.00.
His 2nd game is in Newmarket at 2.30, with the game finishing at 4.15, (taking into account half time). By the time he gets home it is 5 O'Clock with his whole Sunday taken up.
By my calculation 10 in the morning untill 5.00 is 7 hours which comes in at 11.71 an hour (just above minimum wage).
I dont think there are too many players who would do a days work for €82.00.
If there are I am sure there employers would be willing to negoitiate.

You left out double time for Sunday ....or at least time and a half?????

[guvnor]

Another good win for newmarket tonight 5- 2 against Bridge utd. They certainly are finishing strongly. Its a tight finish now in the relegation situation..

[Offside]

Anyone wanna take a stab at Premier Squad of the year... just something to change the subject.

[Innishvilla]

This debate about the suspension really turned into a ref bashing excersise... He got abused by a player and sent him off. In the report he must have described the extent of the abuse, but that was it.

I do feel 8 months is harsh on the player but it is not the referee's fault that the player got such a harsh suspension...

And at the end of it all we see a list of people saying how bad a job referee's do while we never see any of them offering to do some courses and try the job for themselves...

[shelbourne1904]

Anyone wanna take a stab at Premier Squad of the year... just something to change the subject.


442 formation??Or are we going the way of the OT playing 3 at the back when noone knows how to play it???

------------------keeper
Derek Byrne right back,Noel Donnellan at centre half------------centre half-----------------left back
----------------right wing--------------right mid Mike O Malley left mid-----------left wing
---------------striker------------striker

Really not sure about the rest???

[smellyfeet]

This debate about the suspension really turned into a ref bashing excersise... He got abused by a player and sent him off. In the report he must have described the extent of the abuse, but that was it.

I do feel 8 months is harsh on the player but it is not the referee's fault that the player got such a harsh suspension...

And at the end of it all we see a list of people saying how bad a job referee's do while we never see any of them offering to do some courses and try the job for themselves...

I don't think you are getting the point at all. The ref played 8 miniutes extra time to give a team enough time to equalize in a game. He also told a player that 2/3 miniutes time would be added on for the ball hitting off the players leg and rolling 2/3 meters away from center circle,thats 1 miniute per meter the ball travelled:eek: Once the team (Mohar) equalized IN THE 98TH MINIUTEthe final whistle blew,game over. Then after the game player calls ref a cheat out of total fustration with the refs decisions.

Now i'm not saying it is the refs fault he got eight month ban, but this is a player out of the game for 8 months for a stupid comment that came out in fustration.

In the same game one of the Olympic official Threw the flag at the ref but yet he only receives 3 game ban...Can you see how messed up this 8 month ban is.:confused:

[Innishvilla]

I don't think you are getting the point at all. The ref played 8 miniutes extra time to give a team enough time to equalize in a game. He also told a player that 2/3 miniutes time would be added on for the ball hitting off the players leg and rolling 2/3 meters away from center circle,thats 1 miniute per meter the ball travelled:eek: Once the team (Mohar) equalized IN THE 98TH MINIUTEthe final whistle blew,game over. Then after the game player calls ref a cheat out of total fustration with the refs decisions.

Now i'm not saying it is the refs fault he got eight month ban, but this is a player out of the game for 8 months for a stupid comment that came out in fustration.

In the same game one of the Olympic official Threw the flag at the ref but yet he only receives 3 game ban...Can you see how messed up this 8 month ban is.:confused:

I do get the point.

Again I repeat I feel the 8 months was very harsh, I wasn't at the game so I couldn't comment on the added time complaints, but the whole match and situation seems a bit strange alright.

But the ref did not give the 8 month suspension or give the 3 game suspension to the guy that threw the corner flag (very lenient).

Would there have been anything more that a post or two about this whole incident if the player had been given a 3/4 match ban... I think not...

[smellyfeet]

1.Skinny.GK (Newtown) Because he has the least goals scored against him.
2.Derek Byrne.RB (Newtown) Very good at getting up and down the line.
3.Avenue Left back. Don't know his name. Solid as a rock.
4.Dan Aherne.CH (Bridge C) Because he's an animal.
5.Noel Donnallen.CH (Newtown) Never lets you down.Gives 200%:)
6.Mike OMalley CM(Newmarket) Good engine and scoring goals lately
7.Whitey CM (Lifford) Very tough,
8.Tom Carmody LM (Avenue)Sweat left peg,but is very lazy.
9.Jimmy Houlihan RM (Olympic) But he wouldn't be able to play for obvious reasons.
10.Declan "CHEEKY,CHEEKY" McDonald.CF(Newtown).Rarely scores a ****e goal,they have to be a cracker from him or they don't count:ball:
11.David Ghilarde.CF (Avenue)Very good allrounder,scores alot of goals."against Newtown:(

[sore_toe]

top goalscores from prem,1st,2nd,3rd, does any 1 no???

[3rd booking]

[QUOTE=smellyfeet;687485]I don't think you are getting the point at all. The ref played 8 miniutes extra time to give a team enough time to equalize in a game. He also told a player that 2/3 miniutes time would be added on for the ball hitting off the players leg and rolling 2/3 meters away from center circle,thats 1 miniute per meter the ball travelled:eek: Once the team (Mohar) equalized IN THE 98TH MINIUTEthe final whistle blew,game over. Then after the game player calls ref a cheat out of total fustration with the refs decisions.

Didnt the same sort of thing happen in a certain english prem match involving man u and steve bruce when they scored in the 98th minute???And these lads are or were pros,its all part of the game if the was no contraversey in football Chelsea would be champs ansd Netown would of won the league by Christmas:D

[Murphman]

top goalscores from prem,1st,2nd,3rd, does any 1 no???

Was trying to keep track on Premier Scorerswww.freewebs.com/clareleague/index.htm (http://www.freewebs.com/clareleague/index.htm)

Posts stopped coming with scorer details so missing quite a few from other clubs... only club totally up to date is Bridge Celtic (Surprise Surprise)..

Paul McEvoy should definetely be included in Prem team of the season, 15 league goals this year(Surely top scorer)

If people would like to fill in the missing scorers required from other clubs, I can update the missing scorer list on website mentioned above.

please post date of game fixture and scorer name.. we can try and get this compiled before Sunday...

[Offside]

Mcevoy has to be in it... outstanding season with 15 goals... One of the reasons that ye should win the league.

[Prem Rep!]

Bridge United Scorers

Moher (h) Darek Mostovoi, Mark Culbert
Olympic(h) Billy Maxwell
Lifford (h) Dennis Murphy, Albert Finnan
Rovers (h) Beezer Murphy
Newtown (a) Sean Wason
Newmarket (h) Tadgh Keogh
Avenue (h) Beezer, Mark Culbert
Newmarket (a) Beezer, Billy Maxwell

[chappie]

my team of the year...
goals: moher keeper (?)

RB...............CB............CB................. LB
Derek Byrne House(AKA)Dan Aherne Shane byrnes
Newtown Moher Bridge celtic Bridge celtic

RM.............CM.....................CM.......... ................LM
Keiron Devitt Mike O Malley Blondie lad (Daly?) Tom Carmody
Rhineanna Newmarket Moher Avenue

CF......................CF
Paul mcevoy Dave Ghilardi
Bridge Celtic Avenue

[CmonTheRovers]

Sun May 6th vs Newtown - Neil Guilfoyle
Wed May 9th vs Newmarket - Martin Reidy
Fri May 11th vs Moher - Adrian Glynn

Best of Luck Murphman on Sunday!!

[3rd booking]

Very very intersting at bottom of prem league anybody know the remaining games for mountshannon and de bridge???Fancy bridge to stay up but it would be nice to see them go down:D

[Prem Rep!]

Very very intersting at bottom of prem league anybody know the remaining games for mountshannon and de bridge???Fancy bridge to stay up but it would be nice to see them go down:D

Mountshannon away to Newmarket, Bridge home to Bridge Celtic.

[old git]

[QUOTE=smellyfeet;687485]I don't think you are getting the point at all. The ref played 8 miniutes extra time to give a team enough time to equalize in a game. He also told a player that 2/3 miniutes time would be added on for the ball hitting off the players leg and rolling 2/3 meters away from center circle,thats 1 miniute per meter the ball travelled:eek: Once the team (Mohar) equalized IN THE 98TH MINIUTEthe final whistle blew,game over. Then after the game player calls ref a cheat out of total fustration with the refs decisions.

Didnt the same sort of thing happen in a certain english prem match involving man u and steve bruce when they scored in the 98th minute???And these lads are or were pros,its all part of the game if the was no contraversey in football Chelsea would be champs ansd Netown would of won the league by Christmas:D
what are you on about no contraversey in football chelsea would be champs !!! newtown would of won league by christmas.. !!

newtown were not involved in any contraversary as far as i am aware ???ban and as for chelsea i am lost in what contraversy man utd were involved with:ball:

[Brazil Nut]

Sun May 6th vs Newtown - Neil Guilfoyle
Wed May 9th vs Newmarket - Martin Reidy
Fri May 11th vs Moher - Adrian Glynn

Best of Luck Murphman on Sunday!!

Surely Neil Guilfoyle's goal against Newtown was an own goal. Young B.J back heeled it into his own net from a corner. Did Neil take the corner:D where's Andy gray when you need him???

[3rd booking]

[QUOTE=3rd booking;687614]
what are you on about no contraversey in football chelsea would be champs !!! newtown would of won league by christmas.. !!

newtown were not involved in any contraversary as far as i am aware ???ban and as for chelsea i am lost in what contraversy man utd were involved with:ball:

O god here we go again please dont disect my comments so much all I was saying was that if football didnt have surprises it would be very boring now wouldnt it???reguarding utd I was talking about similarities about when utd beat shef Wed?? to win the league in the 98+ min and the match reguarding oly and moher its all part and parcell of the game these things happen and you are bound to get screwed at least once a year,there will always be talking points.My point about Chelsea was that they are the best team in England on papper .The Newtown thing was just a laugh because every year they are favorites or talked about winning the league when in reality they flop every year.

[guvnor]

Mountshannon away to Newmarket, Bridge home to Bridge Celtic.

i think bridge will get there draw to take them to 19pts. Dont think Mountshannon will get more than a point at newmarket so that will leave them relegated. Rineanna then to play off against Bunratty in what should be a interesting match..

[Brazil Nut]

4-3-3

1.Skinny.GK (Newtown)
2.Derek Byrne.RB (Newtown)
3.Shane Byrnes. LB (Bridge Celtic)
4.Dan Aherne.CH (Bridge C) play anywhere
5.Noel Donnallen.CH (Newtown)
6.Alan Clohessy RCM(Moher) play anywhere
7.Whitey CM (Lifford)
8.Mike Hoey LCM (Moher)
9.Jonny Daly RCF (Moher)
10.Declan McDonald.LCF(Newtown)
11.Paul McEvoy.CF (Bridge Celtic)


Newtown = 4
Moher = 3
Bridge = 3
Lifford = 1

Fair enough reflection of the season i think, I had 3 of each of the top 3 clubs and then went for Skinny in goals for his heroics in cup competitions so far this season as well as least goals conceded.

[sore_toe]

still need 1st,2 and 3 div top goalscores?????does any 1 no

[Murphman]

Sun May 6th vs Newtown - Neil Guilfoyle
Wed May 9th vs Newmarket - Martin Reidy
Fri May 11th vs Moher - Adrian Glynn

Best of Luck Murphman on Sunday!!

CHEERS FOR THE BEST LUCK WISHES.. IT'LL HOPEFULLY ALL WORK OUT ON THE DAY.

THANKS FOR THE SCORERS ASWELL, THANKS TO YOU AND PREM REP - RINEANNA AND BRIDGE UTD SCORERS COMPLETELY UP TO DATE.. I'LL UPDATE SITE TO REFLECT THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE..

HACKER AND THE REST OF LADS COULD YE FILL IN THE MISSING SCORERS FOR THE OTHER CLUBS..

[CmonTheRovers]

Surely Neil Guilfoyle's goal against Newtown was an own goal. Young B.J back heeled it into his own net from a corner. Did Neil take the corner:D where's Andy gray when you need him???

Yep, & yep. :D But unless Young B.J. wants the credit, i wouldn't be that harsh on Gilly;)

[Pretender]

Regarding the team of the year... The avenue left back is Eamon O' Reilly I think... and regards whitey in midfield... is this based on the game against newtown alone??

He is a great player and when ha plays with the Juniors or with the 21s last year he stands out but he spent at least half of the season with the Clare U-21 football (GAA) team AFAIK.

[nutmeg]

any one hear anytin bout any playoffs????

[3rd booking]

Regarding the team of the year... The avenue left back is Eamon O' Reilly I think... and regards whitey in midfield... is this based on the game against newtown alone??

He is a great player and when ha plays with the Juniors or with the 21s last year he stands out but he spent at least half of the season with the Clare U-21 football (GAA) team AFAIK.

Team AFAIK???

[the 12 th man]

Team AFAIK???


As far as I know.

[Offside]

Has there been any dates set for the cup final? What date is the season officially supposed to finish?

[Brazil Nut]

Has there been any dates set for the cup final? What date is the season officially supposed to finish?

Cup Final is scheduled for Sat 9th June in County Grounds with Frankie Coote as ref, M O H and J Denifee linesmen

[old git]

Cup Final is scheduled for Sat 9th June in County Grounds with Frankie Coote as ref, M O H and J Denifee linesmen


taking the ****... frankie coote ref.. thats the final ruined now :mad: :mad:

[Brazil Nut]

taking the ****... frankie coote ref.. thats the final ruined now :mad: :mad:

Glad somebody finally took the bait i was only rising regarding referees and linesmen:) Date is correct however.

[plasticpitch]

Glad somebody finally took the bait i was only rising regarding referees and linesmen
Date is correct however.

:D :D :D

[bigguy]

bridge utd played for draw and backfired later on..........wen celtic took the lead with a scrappy goal, i feel for the bridge because they dont deserve to go down...but its in there own hands..