LOI in Europe 2023 [Archive] - Page 19

EalingGreen

04/08/2023, 9:31 AM

Not watching the Crues game but it looks like the scorer was sent off for a 2nd yellow. Did he get booked for celebrating the goal?

Someone on Bert Kassies' forum says he was time wasting from a goal kick

The Ref may have considered it to be time-wasting, but according to a Crues supporter (didn't see it myself):
"He tapped the ball off the pitch as Tuffey [GK] was getting a ball from the ball boy on the other side of the penalty area.

Shocking call from the ref...... "

EalingGreen

04/08/2023, 9:40 AM

Apologies for hijacking this thread (Mods please move/delete if necessary), but to put the efforts of Irish clubs, North and South, into perspective, I enjoyed this post from a Crues fan on another forum.

"Undeniably our greatest ever European performance. Night soured by, to put it simply, an absolute moron of a referee but let's face it, it was already an extremely tall order when the draw was made and to go unbeaten against this team in 90 minutes home and away across 2 games and dominating them the way we did at Seaview is nothing short of incredible.

Let's just remember though just to put it into perspective, we are a wee side from the Shore Road that started out in a pub in Tiger's Bay in 1898 and used to get changed in a laundry room because it was the only warm place we could find in the winter. For the majority of our history we were playing on park pitches with barely a pot to **** in. We still have a big chunk of part timers, we have lads in the squad that spend their Saturday nights at the Harp Bar and surrounding areas, our arguably greatest ever player who scored tonight is a lad from the Andytown Road who runs a door and window fitting company in Newtownabbey with his dad. Not too long ago our away attendance was comprised of a couple of committee members and the odd dog. To this day we still hold the record of being on the end of the heaviest defeat in the history of European football (11-0).

Tonight we went toe to toe with the most successful team in one of the top 20 professional football leagues in Europe on their own patch, who have regularly played at the very highest level of the sport in the Champions League beating some of the most successful teams in club football on the way. On another day if the ball drops slightly differently on 1 or 2 occasions, we knock them out. I don't think it's fully appreciated even sometimes by our own selves just how far we've came as a club in recent years and we still aren't done yet going by showings like that. All of this done too without a sugar daddy like the IFA, Kenny Bruce or Ali Pour pumping us full of money, no handouts from anyone, no one but our own fans, working class people from the area, coming in to save us when we were on the brink of liquidation in 2005. It was all done on our own merit.

I cannot possibly be any prouder of anyone that wore a Crues badge in Norway tonight, every single one of them fans players coaches and manager alike."

Always good to see enthusiasm like that! :good:

joey B

04/08/2023, 11:13 AM

Will Derry have to play the next round in Tallaght? Dan McDonnell suggesting that is the case on Twitter�.

oriel

04/08/2023, 12:37 PM

Dundalk... The 2016 vintage era seems very far away now. Wet paper bag defending, poor first touches, and a good 150 aimless crosses to nobody, over two legs against not the best team in Iceland. Hockeyed 5-2 on aggregate. Technically outclassed.

Lost 5-3 on agg, but can have no complaints over both legs, beaten fair and square, only saving grace was not losing last night, but overall a very poor return in a tie we were slight favs to advance in before last Thurs.

Nesta99

04/08/2023, 2:05 PM

Lost 5-3 on agg, but can have no complaints over both legs, beaten fair and square, only saving grace was not losing last night, but overall a very poor return in a tie we were slight favs to advance in before last Thurs.

Slight favourites? But of revisionism there I think Oriel. We were outright favourites prior to the 1st leg. It was acknwoledged that it was a banana skin, no forgone conclusion, but that if we put in a good performance we should win. It wasnt a bad performance per se, but we did show some of the consistant short givings indentified during this season - inconsistency, tend not to perform when Hoban doesnt, and can be sloppy defensively. Boyle has blown hot and cold all year. It was notable that the 2 signings in were dependant on how the result of the first round went, for that alone there is an element of success. The squad will buoyed by the signings and help with the domestic target of European qialificiation again. We still are in the midst of a squad rebuilding phase, which we tend to forget at times also.

Demesne Lad

04/08/2023, 2:06 PM

Lost 5-3 on agg, but can have no complaints over both legs, beaten fair and square, only saving grace was not losing last night, but overall a very poor return in a tie we were slight favs to advance in before last Thurs.

I wonder why Irish teams (both club and national) tend to lob in crosses instead of sending them in at pace? And goals scored by passing up through the middle seem to be a rarity - though not for KA. Their strategy over the two legs reminded me of Muhammed Ali's 'rope-a-dope': let the opponent huff and puff for a while, then come off the ropes (i.e. out of your defensive third of the pitch) and biff them!

pateen

04/08/2023, 2:36 PM

Will Derry have to play the next round in Tallaght? Dan McDonnell suggesting that is the case on Twitter�.

Yeah, game moved to Tallaght

nigel-harps1954

04/08/2023, 4:46 PM

A shambles for Derry City council to have opened a shiny new stadium that they can't even use now. Should be a kick up the arse for them. They'll hardly get 2,000 attendance in Tallaght at best.

pateen

04/08/2023, 5:41 PM

Their good supporters to travel, I reckon they'll double that.

What are people's thoughts on the Kazakh crowd, beatable?

DCWA

04/08/2023, 5:56 PM

A shambles for Derry City council to have opened a shiny new stadium that they can't even use now. Should be a kick up the arse for them. They'll hardly get 2,000 attendance in Tallaght at best.

You are correct on most of your post but what on earth makes you think we would only get 2,000? If tie is alive we will sell it out with relative ease I would think.

brendy_�ire

04/08/2023, 6:21 PM

You are correct on most of your post but what on earth makes you think we would only get 2,000? If tie is alive we will sell it out with relative ease I would think.

If we are well beaten in Kazakhstan, it'll be a low crowd. Thursday night, in South Dublin is an absolute pain.
Far too progressive for our club, but we should be playing this match in Windsor.

Reason for the change is that we need 4.5k seats in the Brandywell, we only have 3.7k. With the new safe standing terrace going in over the winter, it won't be an issue in the future.

Very enjoyable trip to Kuopio. Strange town, it's a grid and quite compact. Lovely setting, surrounded by lakes and endless trees. Winters are brutal according to the locals, who were lovely and much more chatty than Helsinki people. Pint prices varied widely, but we settled in one spot doing litre steins for �9.20; cheaper than back home.

Some scenes at Derry airport at half 1 in the morning after the team landed. https://fb.watch/mc_vIL-7W2/

Kazakhstan isn't so much of a nightmare logistically as it is cost-wise. Initial quotes for a charter seemed to be �300k plus. Though UEFA give an extra �20k for such distances, generous. Only know of one fan going so far, living in Moscow.

Martinho II

04/08/2023, 6:53 PM

There was an interesting piece in the sun on that Derry game. Club coefficient was huge in thef finnish clubs favour! Some coup for Derry City delighted for them. Think momentum in the league is in their favour at long last!

ger121

04/08/2023, 9:59 PM

Their good supporters to travel, I reckon they'll double that.

What are people's thoughts on the Kazakh crowd, beatable?

If you look through the draw for the non champions path, it is one of the better draws compared to other sides they could have gotten. It won�t be easy at all but they will have a chance I think, especially if they perform like they did against KuPS. The win over Basel was definitely Tobol�s biggest win in Europe and they had a large slice of luck in the 1st leg playing against 9 men. Time for one of our sides to win one of these 3rd round ties to get into the PO Round.

nigel-harps1954

04/08/2023, 11:48 PM

You are correct on most of your post but what on earth makes you think we would only get 2,000? If tie is alive we will sell it out with relative ease I would think.

Considering the Brandywell didn't sell out for the last European game, I'm not sure where 8k fans are coming from to travel to Dublin.

EatYerGreens

05/08/2023, 12:16 AM

If we are well beaten in Kazakhstan, it'll be a low crowd. Thursday night, in South Dublin is an absolute pain.
Far too progressive for our club, but we should be playing this match in Windsor.

Reason for the change is that we need 4.5k seats in the Brandywell, we only have 3.7k. With the new safe standing terrace going in over the winter, it won't be an issue in the future.

Very enjoyable trip to Kuopio. Strange town, it's a grid and quite compact. Lovely setting, surrounded by lakes and endless trees. Winters are brutal according to the locals, who were lovely and much more chatty than Helsinki people. Pint prices varied widely, but we settled in one spot doing litre steins for �9.20; cheaper than back home.

Some scenes at Derry airport at half 1 in the morning after the team landed. https://fb.watch/mc_vIL-7W2/

Kazakhstan isn't so much of a nightmare logistically as it is cost-wise. Initial quotes for a charter seemed to be �300k plus. Though UEFA give an extra �20k for such distances, generous. Only know of one fan going so far, living in Moscow.

How will a standing terrace help the UEFA seating requirement for the Brandywell?

Does the ground not fall short on other factors too eg media facilities, car parking?

nigel-harps1954

05/08/2023, 12:43 AM

How will a standing terrace help the UEFA seating requirement for the Brandywell?

Does the ground not fall short on other factors too eg media facilities, car parking?

Outside broadcast area is probably an issue too. Not sure requirements for TV studios at this stage, but definitely become a factor for Cat 4. Brandywell falls short on quite a few areas beyond just capacity.

brendy_�ire

05/08/2023, 7:40 AM

How will a standing terrace help the UEFA seating requirement for the Brandywell?

Does the ground not fall short on other factors too eg media facilities, car parking?

It's safe standing, which should be allowed. If not, seats can be put in.

Outside broadcast and the like can be satisfied, somehow. The requirement for 30 media desks is challenging, but can be done. VIP area would require a marquee, as space needed for the press.
Parking is fine, loads of spaces at the Brandywell.
The floodlights aren't up to the required lux, but many grounds of top teams aren't, and there's a way around it.

Category 4 is a different story again.

Mind you, there seems to be all sorts of relaxations of requirements you can get. So essentially the only problem for this Tobol match was the seating.

Changes are coming on this front from next season onwards, which is will make things easier for smaller clubs, so good news there.

pineapple stu

05/08/2023, 8:11 AM

DCWA

05/08/2023, 8:49 AM

Considering the Brandywell didn't sell out for the last European game, I'm not sure where 8k fans are coming from to travel to Dublin.

Ah we�ll see I suppose as Brendy says all depends on Thursday which is a heavy caveat to be applying of course as we can�t approach the game with any confidence but if tie is alive I�d say we�ll find the 8 no problem.

2 Year Contract

05/08/2023, 9:23 AM

KA not impressed with Oriel - a pigsty with an awful pitch apparently.

They probably have a point too.

https://www.balls.ie/football/a-shock-to-play-football-there-icelandic-players-taken-aback-by-dundalk-pigsty-566322

"I think we all would have gotten some kind of yeast infection if we had showered there"

That's got to be high up on the list of quotes on LOI facilities

ger121

05/08/2023, 9:32 AM

KA not impressed with Oriel - a pigsty with an awful pitch apparently.

They probably have a point too.

https://www.balls.ie/football/a-shock-to-play-football-there-icelandic-players-taken-aback-by-dundalk-pigsty-566322

Geysir will probably be on to correct me, but nearly sure KA play or did play in the same stadium as Thor. It was a Kip. The Oriel of Iceland. Bit rich coming from them if their own ground is not up to much.

Nesta99

05/08/2023, 10:02 AM

No excuses? What's he excusing them from? they won - or maybe it just hasnt quite sunk in that they have progressed, the drilled default answers of a team expecting to lose.

The dressing rooms under the stand are fantastically awful, good old fashioned discomfort for visitors (that are commonplace for the home side), not that long ago there werent even showerheads in the showers, just a pipe to stand under.....there has been progress in that regard so never let it be said the place is never upgraded! Never cared what anyone said about the pitch until the recent O'Donnell comments.

Yossarian

05/08/2023, 10:09 AM

Geysir will probably be on to correct me, but nearly sure KA play or did play in the same stadium as Thor. It was a Kip. The Oriel of Iceland. Bit rich coming from them if their own ground is not up to much.

While there is no doubt Oriel is in a terrible state, it�s a bit rich the criticism coming from KA when they couldn�t host any European games in their own ground and had to travel 5 hours to Reykjavik. I dread to think what their home ground is like.

ger121

05/08/2023, 10:35 AM

While there is no doubt Oriel is in a terrible state, it�s a bit rich the criticism coming from KA when they couldn�t host any European games in their own ground and had to travel 5 hours to Reykjavik. I dread to think what their home ground is like.

Oh it is a bit rich. I was in the ground in 2012 and it is amazing it got permission to host a European game.

geysir

05/08/2023, 2:04 PM

Geysir will probably be on to correct me, but nearly sure KA play or did play in the same stadium as Thor. It was a Kip. The Oriel of Iceland. Bit rich coming from them if their own ground is not up to much.
Yes I will correct you:). Thor a mid table 2nd div club (did I ever mention they hammered Bohs 5-1), their football grounds are basic, open seating for a few hundred, but showers/dressing room are clean, appropriate and definitely fungus free. Thor are a multi multi sports club, their indoor facilities are thoroughly modern, complete with indoor pitch. It was their handball team that merged with KA. KA football team play in midtown, their �stadium� is much bigger, although about 50 years more modern than Oriel, it is being totally rebuilt and that's why KA's euro games were moved to Reykjavik.

It is not just the danger of picking up diseases in Oriel pk, there is also the threat of aquiring brain/nerve damage on the pitch. Dundalk�s primitive football is a potential heath hazard.
One local sports journalist noted that a KA central defender had to head the ball out over 40 times.

geysir

05/08/2023, 2:34 PM

Football in Iceland isn't always a bed of roses, sometimes the basic subs bench is not for the faint hearted, no one ever expects the sudden onslaught of the arctic blizzard!!

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10092168.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Crazy-iceland-blizzard.jpg

pateen

05/08/2023, 2:49 PM

KA not impressed with Oriel - a pigsty with an awful pitch apparently.

They probably have a point too.

https://www.balls.ie/football/a-shock-to-play-football-there-icelandic-players-taken-aback-by-dundalk-pigsty-566322

Screw Balls.ie.
They don't give two hoots about the League of Ireland.
Not one report this week on Euro games and never any match previews or results

All they're interested in is bad news stories like crowd trouble or the one above for the league.

Complete tat news stories like 'Watch Roy Keanes reaction to ... '
Lowest intellect of sports journalism on line. Don't fall for their click bait or ****e for that matter.

joey B

05/08/2023, 2:59 PM

Screw Balls.ie.
They don't give two hoots about the League of Ireland.
Not one report this week on Euro games and never any match previews or results

All they're interested in is bad news stories like crowd trouble or the one above for the league.

Complete tat news stories like 'Watch Roy Keanes reaction to ... '
Lowest intellect of sports journalism on line. Don't fall for their click bait or ****e for that matter.

All of this,utter pish that site.....

pateen

05/08/2023, 3:43 PM

Balls.ie gave St Pats' unusual goal in Europe plenty of highlights.
Miked the Bradley story down at Cork when he was targeted by 3 supporters about his son.

If anything, Balls.ie does its best to run down the league beyond normality. Absolutely pathetic

MichaelCherrito

06/08/2023, 8:21 AM

Philosophizer

06/08/2023, 11:10 AM

The talented winger who played for Midtylland youths against Bohs a few years ago is about to sign for Lazio for 17m.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lazio are set to sign top talented winger Gustav Isaksen, here we go! Deal being sealed with Midtjylland around �17m package ??? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Lazio?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Lazio</a><br><br>Medical tests booked on Monday and one more signing after Daichi Kamada. <a href="https://t.co/zR6HjYtpXP">pic.twitter.com/zR6HjYtpXP</a></p>— Fabrizio Romano (@FabrizioRomano) <a href="https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1687866611280269312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

CorribsideSteve

06/08/2023, 2:33 PM

Nesta99

06/08/2023, 3:36 PM

What is actually needed to bring Oriel Park into the 20th Century? There is a 99 year lease, but what does that mean practically? Is the only benefit of that nominal rent? Do Dundalk have to wait on the whim or wish of the leaser to do anything worthwhile to the ground, as it appears that they have very little say as things stand.

Edit: 21st Century (honest mistake)

A wrecking ball!

The lease isnt a major issue and the Casey Trust wouldnt obstruct ground development. Aside from funding, planning could be a massive hurdle to overcome. In particular traffic management issues on match night and potential limitations on attendances. Oriel is exempt from certain requirements for such facilities due to the length of time its there basically. Build 'New' Oriel and exemptions no longer stand so the impact of a new development is open to all the rigours, rejections, objections and appeals of the planning system. Parking and traffic are an issue though the change in attitude toward this may be of benefit. Some people in the area would object to a library being built for too much noise so there would be a battle on some level. All that said, the sooner plans are submitted the sooner these issues can be faced up to. We are also heading in to a period where the national purse strings have been loosened and there is less outrage at funding non essential projects - that wont last forever, Euro finals application is another reason to get going with plans immediately and be part of that 'legacy'. with some creative thinking a new build could tap in to the carbon neutral buzz, an interested FAI etc. Should not let another ship sail on this!

DCWA

06/08/2023, 4:01 PM

For those of you crazy enough to watch an extra 90 minutes of Sunday football, follow the link to watch Tobol�s home game against FC Kaysar. It�s live and free. You only need to sign up.

https://onefootball.com/en/match/2363414

Watched this game. Standard certainly wouldn�t fill you with dread but looks like they changed the entire starting XI from the Basel game so quite probably none the wiser.

DCSIL

06/08/2023, 4:14 PM

Screw Balls.ie.
They don't give two hoots about the League of Ireland.
Not one report this week on Euro games and never any match previews or results.

Balls.ie is a Celtic Blog.

Up there with Dublin Live and their group of clickbait web****es.

ger121

06/08/2023, 8:16 PM

Watched this game. Standard certainly wouldn�t fill you with dread but looks like they changed the entire starting XI from the Basel game so quite probably none the wiser.

Lost 2 nil at home to the 7th place side. Are 6th in the table and their form is very up and down. As I said before it is one of the better teams to draw at this stage of qualifying. Due to be 22c at KO so even heat won�t be too much of a factor.

CorribsideSteve

06/08/2023, 10:17 PM

A wrecking ball!

The lease isnt a major issue and the Casey Trust wouldnt obstruct ground development. Aside from funding, planning could be a massive hurdle to overcome. In particular traffic management issues on match night and potential limitations on attendances. Oriel is exempt from certain requirements for such facilities due to the length of time its there basically. Build 'New' Oriel and exemptions no longer stand so the impact of a new development is open to all the rigours, rejections, objections and appeals of the planning system. Parking and traffic are an issue though the change in attitude toward this may be of benefit. Some people in the area would object to a library being built for too much noise so there would be a battle on some level. All that said, the sooner plans are submitted the sooner these issues can be faced up to. We are also heading in to a period where the national purse strings have been loosened and there is less outrage at funding non essential projects - that wont last forever, Euro finals application is another reason to get going with plans immediately and be part of that 'legacy'. with some creative thinking a new build could tap in to the carbon neutral buzz, an interested FAI etc. Should not let another ship sail on this!

Hopefully something can be done over the next decade or three then. I've watched Tolka Park turn from a vibrant 4 sided ground to one that's half open/half condemned in just 20 years, and it'd be a shame to see Oriel head that way.

DCWA

06/08/2023, 11:06 PM

Lost 2 nil at home to the 7th place side. Are 6th in the table and their form is very up and down. As I said before it is one of the better teams to draw at this stage of qualifying. Due to be 22c at KO so even heat won�t be too much of a factor.

I assumed it would be basically baking out there in mid August but today�s game was delayed by 50 mins due to torrential rain. Has to be said their pitch was in pretty horrendous condition so will be interesting to see what it is like come Thursday.

thischarmingman

07/08/2023, 8:59 AM

Philosophizer

07/08/2023, 11:41 AM

If Derry go through, they'll play one of:

1: KAA Gent (BEL) / MKS Pogo Szczecin (POL)
2: Aris Thessaloniki FC (GRE) / FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)
3: LOSC Lille (FRA)
4: FC Viktoria Plze (CZE) / Gzira United FC (MLT)
Lille would be very tough - could be a hammering.
Most of those teams (apart from Gzira) are a good step above our league, but that�s what happens when you progress in Europe. There is some hope though. Linfield scored a few against that Polish side and in recent years LOI sides performed admirably against Greek and Czech opposition.
Anyway, let�s try get past the Kazakhs first.

pineapple stu

07/08/2023, 11:45 AM

Good Lord - thischarmingman is a blast from the foot.ie past!

Welcome back!

holidaysong

07/08/2023, 12:29 PM

They drew Viktoria Plzen (Czechia) or Gzira United (Malta). Best draw they could get really.

Philosophizer

07/08/2023, 12:52 PM

They drew Viktoria Plzen (Czechia) or Gzira United (Malta). Best draw they could get really.
If Gzira manage to fluke past Plzen then it�s definitely the best draw, but I think that�s unlikely.
Plzen are always strong - reached CL group stages last year.
I thought the most potentially winnable and realistic opposition would have been Aris (Greece) or Pogon (Poland). Neither of them have massive European pedigree in the past few years and both finished a bit off the pace domestically last season. That said Plzen only finished 3rd in Czech last season, 10 pts off the big Prague clubs.

brendy_�ire

07/08/2023, 1:04 PM

Philosophizer

07/08/2023, 1:20 PM

Tough, but could have been worse, I suppose.

TBH, not confident of getting past FC Tobol. Beating Basel was some job, even if Basel were very poor. They beat Honka 2-1 in the first round, and we know we can beat a Finish team too.
Last year, they beat Lincoln Red Imps, then lost to Zrinjski of Mostar.
In 2021, they beat Hadjuk Split, then lost heavily to Zilina.

If we were playing in the Brandywell, it could be a different story. I reckon Tobol are worth their 4/6 odds of going through.
Can�t disagree with any of this. If the home leg was in Bradywell it would be close to a 50/50 tie.
It�s not much of a silver lining, but I�m sure plenty of LOI neutrals around Dublin will head along and support Derry - I will anyway! I think Derry are a v well liked club in that respect.

EalingGreen

07/08/2023, 1:35 PM

They drew Viktoria Plzen (Czechia) or Gzira United (Malta). Best draw they could get really.By all acounts, Glentoran were clearly the better team against Gzira, home and away. And although they have no-one to blame only themselves eg missed a penalty during regular play in both legs, the Glens "should" have gone through.

Would agree with Philo that if DCFC could get through to play Gzira then they should have a v.good chance of progressing. But while one of those could happen, it's hard to predict both.