LOI in Europe 2023

[Bohtastic]

Extratime has 2534 in attendance in Inchicore?
Seems disappointing for a European match - did people stay away after last week's 2 1 loss?

[pateen]

Fitness for Pats might get them that equaliser

[pineapple stu]

Injury-time equaliser for Glens against Gzira of Malta - 3-3 on aggregate and heading for extra time.

Winners play Pat's or Dudelange

Dundalk with a third to really end that one; they play Akureyri next week, who won 4-0 against Connah's Quay

Edit - that Glens goal ruled out, so Gzira going through.

Dudelange down to ten but still in the lead. Pat's have injury time to rescue it

Edit edit - Glentoran score in the 13th minute of injury time!

Extra time back on

[SPXcyan]

Scenes at the Oval! 12 minutes into injury time and they bag that goal.. incredible stuff.

[Nesta99]

Extratime has 2534 in attendance in Inchicore?
Seems disappointing for a European match - did people stay away after last week's 2 1 loss?

Capacity capped to seating only, still a sell out.

[pineapple stu]

Dudelange score to win it on the night; Pat's presumably chasing extra time and caught on the break. Van Lingen with a hattrick. Probably not many of them against LoI sides in Euro games? One for the stats nerds there!

Other two through but another really poor week really.

[joey B]

Pats conceed at the death,they'll rue this tie I think,Dudelange were beatable with better defending ....

[Philosophizer]

Other two through but another really poor week really.

Dreadful week for LOI. 2 losses against Lux and Icelandic opposition. That‘s so poor.

And to think, many were saying it was the best draw we’ve ever had and could get 4 teams through.

[pateen]

Ah team in pre-season. Need to be doing much better

[pineapple stu]

And to think, many were saying it was the best draw we’ve ever had and could get 4 teams through.
I still think it was and we could have had

Law of averages was probably one team wouldn't make it through, but yeah, home/away defeats for Pat's and Rovers is unexpectedly poor.

Wouldn't fancy Derry against the Finn's next. But Europe can be strange. Dundalk v Glens/Gzira - God knows!

[ger121]

Crues winning deep into injury time. I see Linfield hung on to go through. Could be a great night for their sides. We’ll see…

[ger121]

I still think it was and we could have had

Law of averages was probably one team wouldn't make it through, but yeah, home/away defeats for Pat's and Rovers is unexpectedly poor.

Wouldn't fancy Derry against the Finn's next. But Europe can be strange. Dundalk v Glens/Gzira - God knows!

Dundalk play our old friends - KA.

[pineapple stu]

Oh yeah - having said it on thread before!

Dudelange v Glens/Gzira...

Not sure how much I'd fancy Dundalk in that one

[Philosophizer]

At least Dundalk and Derry saved us from further woe.

NI teams have overall been more competitive than us this year. And they’re part timers in pre season, against better opposition. embarrassing!

[ger121]

Crues through. The Finnish sides hardly world beaters this year either. Derry should be trying to get through in the one.

[kksaints]

Disappointing although the better team went through over the two legs. They tore us apart defensively much too often. Their second was such a poor goal to concede, criminal pass by Norman, he hasn't impressed since he signed. Murphy had a great game when he came on but too many of our key players underperformed in the two matches.

[ger121]

At least Dundalk and Derry saved us from further woe.

NI teams have overall been more competitive than us this year. And they’re part timers in pre season, against better opposition. embarrassing!

I think most of their top sides are now FT. I believe Larne, Linfield and Glentoran are.

[Demesne Lad]

Meanwhile, up North, Linfield and Crusaders through, Glentoran in Extra Time at home (3-3 on aggregate).

[pineapple stu]

Crues through. The Finnish sides hardly world beaters this year either. Derry should be trying to get through in the one.

Yeah, just Derry's form really isn't great which is why I don't fancy them. Even 1-0 on aggregate v HB isn't much to write home about.

[Jack B]

We just don't have consistent enough quality in the squad for ties like that. Some great players at this level, but in equal amounts ones that would struggle to get a game for any other side (outside of UCD I suppose) and young players who while great often come with their own inconsistencies.

[Philosophizer]

We just don't have consistent enough quality in the squad for ties like that. Some great players at this level, but in equal amounts ones that would struggle to get a game for any other side (outside of UCD I suppose) and young players who while great often come with their own inconsistencies.
Please. Pats have more than enough quality to be getting past any Lux side.

[joey B]

Ive not seen much of Pats but they looked badly organised,with some decent attacking play and some poor defenders,Jamie Lennon has an awful lot of work to do on his own and didnt get much help,Mulreany has some real flashes but seems like a bit of a luxury player,some really excellent young players though in Curtis,Carty and Murphy......

[Jack B]

Please. Pats have more than enough quality to be getting past any Lux side.

We've conceded the third highest amount of goals in the league. Doesn't matter how much quality going the other way when we're so easy to get at.

[Nesta99]

We've conceded the third highest amount of goals in the league. Doesn't matter how much quality going the other way when we're so easy to get at.

Against Dundalk and An Other under Clancy. Different since and ye dont get within touching distance of top spot leaking goals. Bt of deflectionn there!

[pineapple stu]

Glens 10-10 in their shoot-out. Every kick scored so far

Edit - the keepers score too. Has there ever been a shootout where all 22 players scored?

Aaron McCarey scored for Glentoran - ex Dundalk keeper

[Jack B]

Against Dundalk and An Other under Clancy. Different since and ye dont get within touching distance of top spot leaking goals. Bt of deflectionn there!

Not really? I'm a supporter of the club literally saying that we aren't particularly good hahaha, not sure what you lot want from me here.

[MichaelCherrito]

Unbelievable 24th spot kick. Keeper saved it, ran away to celebrate but forgot the ball which ended on the back of the net.

13 each now.

[pineapple stu]

The 28th penalty is missed; Glens go out 14-13

Incredible stuff

[pineapple stu]

Unbelievable 24th spot kick. Keeper saved it, ran away to celebrate but forgot the ball which ended on the back of the net.

13 each now.

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[EalingGreen]

The 28th penalty is missed; Glens go out 14-13

Incredible stuffAnd that's not the half of it.

Glens missed a penalty out there to draw 2-2, after being the better team in the Maltese heat. Back at The Oval, they missed another penalty after 5 mins. Went 1-0 down in the second half, then had a goal disallowed. Hit the woodwork twice. Ref awards 8 mins of injury time (Maltese timewasting) and Glens had another goal disallowed half way through it. Maltese kept time-wasting, and Glens evenualy got the equaliser after 12 added-on minutes! Extra time couldn't split them, then we see 27 consecutive penalty conversions, before a Glens 17 y.o. misses the 28th. (He'd converted his first effort)

"Luck of the Irish"? "Rub of the Green (Red and Black)"? "Better team went through"?

Fcuk off all three! :mad:

[2 Year Contract]

Pats had Dudelange rattled at 2-1 and should have more of the pressure to get a vital third. Their second goal was an absolute gift, so sloppy at the back from Norman who was very poor over the two legs, as was Brockbank. Third goal was your typical pick off on the break goal while pats were throwing men forward for the late goal they needed to force extra time. I think if Joe Redmond had've been available for even one of the two legs we could’ve scraped through but overall in the two legs Dudelange defo deserved to go through when you look at the chances they missed. Onwards and upwards to domestic duties now to have another crack at it next year.

[outspoken]

Dundalk made extremely heavy lifting of that tonight. Probably won't get much further but in saying that the Icelandic side they've got have feck all European pedigree so who knows. For a European game though the standard tonight was woeful

[2 Year Contract]

1682143507241222147

Brilliant. Absolutely bonkers stuff.

@EalingGreen I haven’t seen a game in the Oval since pats played there in 2013, is that fans standing on the terrace behind the goal there? Or have seats been added behind that goal? And if not then how did the club manage to get away with using a terrace in a European game?

[pineapple stu]

Quick coefficient update - we remain in 32nd, but Armenia, Latvia and even the North are in touching distance and have all four teams left.

Looking unlikely we'll make the group stages and that'll impact things too. Bonus point just for qualifying and double points for any results. You'd imagine we'll drop a couple of places yet unless we can muster much improved performances and results in the next round

(Also, looking back for my earlier coefficient post, I saw one from another poster noting Akureyri had just knocked Breidablik out of the Icelandic Cup... That's a bit more impressive all of a sudden)

[TonyD]

We've conceded the third highest amount of goals in the league. Doesn't matter how much quality going the other way when we're so easy to get at.

We’ve missed Joe Redmond big time, and also Tom Grivosti. I think it’s fair to say we’d be a different team with those two in it. We were very poor defensively tonight, no question. A little better in the second half, but then Norman plays an awful ball into midfield, when we’d managed to get ourselves into the game.

The own goal though, absolutely hilarious.

[EalingGreen]

Brilliant. Absolutely bonkers stuff.

@EalingGreen I haven’t seen a game in the Oval since pats played there in 2013, is that fans standing on the terrace behind the goal there? Or have seats been added behind that goal? And if not then how did the club manage to get away with using a terrace in a European game?
I didn't think terracing was allowed either, nor are there seats behind the goal.

Maybe someone opened a gate and fans made their way round from the stand?

Don't get it.

[2 Year Contract]

I didn't think terracing was allowed either, nor are there seats behind the goal.

Maybe someone opened a gate and fans made their way round from the stand?

Don't get it.

Ah ok that makes sense, cheers! I’d imagine the club will be hit with a fairly hefty fine for it regardless so. UEFA are notoriously strict with the enforcement of their rules

[EalingGreen]

Quick coefficient update - we remain in 32nd, but Armenia, Latvia and even the North are in touching distance and have all four teams left."All four"?
Are you winding me up?

[EalingGreen]

Ah ok that makes sense, cheers! I’d imagine the club will be hit with a fairly hefty fine for it regardless so. UEFA are notoriously strict with the enforcement of their rulesWell I'm guessing, since I can't think of any other explanation, so a fine would rub salt in the wound.

Unless we claim we had a couple of hundred ball boys, stewards and, er, litter pickers on duty?

EDIT: Perhaps terrace standing was allowed tonight? I'd forgotten that standing was allowed on a trial basis in CL, EL and ECL games during season 2022/23 in England, Germany & France (though not in Spain and Italy, since none of their qualifying teams had "adequate" standing sections):
https://www.dw.com/en/europe-wants-to-stand-uefa-to-allow-safe-standing-in-european-competitions/a-62618330

Perhaps this was extended in some cases, with The Oval terraces being big enough, and with suitable crush barriers, to permit, say 10% capacity occupancy?

(I'm clutching at straws here, mind)

SECOND EDIT: Back in 2014, Linfield were fined €15k after a Europa League tie at Windsor for "... Linfield supporters watching the game from a standing position behind the goal, an action specifically prohibited by Uefa."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29005409

So it seems a rank bad evening just got even worse... :rolleyes:

[ger121]

And that's not the half of it.

Glens missed a penalty out there to draw 2-2, after being the better team in the Maltese heat. Back at The Oval, they missed another penalty after 5 mins. Went 1-0 down in the second half, then had a goal disallowed. Hit the woodwork twice. Ref awards 8 mins of injury time (Maltese timewasting) and Glens had another goal disallowed half way through it. Maltese kept time-wasting, and Glens evenualy got the equaliser after 12 added-on minutes! Extra time couldn't split them, then we see 27 consecutive penalty conversions, before a Glens 17 y.o. misses the 28th. (He'd converted his first effort)

"Luck of the Irish"? "Rub of the Green (Red and Black)"? "Better team went through"?

Fcuk off all three! :mad:

Hard Luck. Really thought it might be your night after that late late equaliser.

Why do you think the Northern clubs are doing so well in Europe this season?

[DCWA]

Crues through. The Finnish sides hardly world beaters this year either. Derry should be trying to get through in the one.

Derry have no chance against the Finns… HB Torshavn are a very, very poor team.

We could have had a few goals 1st half but reverted to Higgins ball 2nd half and sat in on 1-0 for the entire 45, any decent team would have punished us multiple times. It was a poor showing against very low quality opposition.

We will lose home and away to KuPs.

[EalingGreen]

Hard Luck. Really thought it might be your night after that late late equaliser. Thanks.


Why do you think the Northern clubs are doing so well in Europe this season?With 3 of this season's European entrants now being f-t, plus Crues hybrid f-t/p-t, it could be that that helped us. (I believe Linfield had a pre-season training camp in Spain, for instance)

Or it could just be that they're taking Europe more seriously than previously.

Or it could be what I posted on here last week after the first legs:
"The four LOI clubs had (generally) poor results, while the four IL clubs had (generally) good ones.
What can you tell from that? Well imo nothing much actually. We might know a bit more after the return legs, when who knows, the LOI teams could turn things round and/or the IL teams could stumble. But even then you might just be misled by a couple of teams which "deserved" to go through but somehow didn't, or teams which didn't deserve it who sneaked it.
For football is the most random of games, meaning four matches is far too small a sample size to reach any firm conclusions, one way or another."

Or some combination of the three.

[EalingGreen]

Has there ever been a shootout where all 22 players scored?

A new UEFA record was set as Malta's Gzira United beat Glentoran 14-13 on penalties in a UEFA Europa Conference League qualifiers.

Up until the night of 20 July 2023, it was hard to imagine that there would be a more remarkable UEFA competition shoot-out than the one that decided the 2021 UEFA Europa League final. On that occasion, Villarreal ran out 11-10 winners against Manchester United; the first 21 kicks in the match in Gdansk were successfully converted, before Gerónimo Rulli saved the 22nd, which was taken by United goalkeeper David de Gea.

However, in a UEFA Europa Conference League first qualifying round decider in Belfast, Malta's Gzira United and hosts Glentoran went a good distance further. At The Oval, the first 27 kicks were scored (14 for Gzira, 13 for Glentoran) before Gzira goalkeeper David Cassar saved the 28th, taken by Leon Boyd (one of six players who ended up taking two penalties).
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaconferenceleague/news/0253-0d0480b11c55-28e64eff095a-1000--gzira-win-highest-scoring-uefa-shoot-out-ever/

Note: This was the highest scoring, but not the longest shoot-out in UEFA competition - The 2007 UEFA European Under-21 Championship semi-final between the Netherlands and England had 32 attempts before the Dutch hosts prevailed 13-12.

[ToberonaTornado]

Folks, have just read this thread through from where I left off about 10 days ago until now. WOW! What a thread ? loved every minute off it.Some great arguments, counter arguments,spats,facts,press clippings, game action and loads more besides.Who said forums are dead?

Foot.ie is back baby ???

[ontheotherhand]

Folks, have just read this thread through from where I left off about 10 days ago until now. WOW! What a thread ? loved every minute off it.Some great arguments, counter arguments,spats,facts,press clippings, game action and loads more besides.Who said forums are dead?

Foot.ie is back baby ???

I completely disagree. It's 10 pages of utter dross and foot.ie is as dead as Rovers in Europe.

[osarusan]

Is there some new rule in penalty shootouts which means that teams don't go through all 11 players before a player takes a second penalty?

[SPXcyan]

The Oval looked fantastic last night, hadn't watched a game from that venue since the Setanta Cup, a proper ground that!
Any details of an upgrade I wonder?

Glad to see both Dundalk and Derry at least getting through their games, can't see them progressing any further however.

[nr637]

What was the attendance at the Oval last night as the seating capacity is around 2750 in the Main Stand and 2,000 in the covered stand opposite!

[ger121]

I completely disagree. It's 10 pages of utter dross and foot.ie is as dead as Rovers in Europe.

And yet, here you are!

[Philosophizer]

I completely disagree. It's 10 pages of utter dross and foot.ie is as dead as Rovers in Europe.
Nice!