Bray statement

[Seagull]

Don't blame the FAI not being there, this is a dispute between a club and the players, that's the PFAI role.
It shouldn't be up to the FAI to sort out stuff like this. but they should have responded pointing that out

But surely it's a breach of the club's licence which means the FAI definitely should be there?

[sbgawa]

But surely it's a breach of the club's licence which means the FAI definitely should be there?

They aren't in breach as they have paid the players, you could say Harps were in breech when they were saying they were in trouble recently because of all the games postponements on the same basis. (not having a pop at Harps my third favourites ).

I guess the players are trying to embarrass the club into letting them go or else providing the guarantees they are looking for but I reckon O Connor has a very high embarrassment threshold.

[Bray Head]

Will the PFAI ask all other clubs for a guarantee that they have funding in place to see out the season ? Can't see too many clubs been able to guarantee this.

[sbgawa]

Agreed but up until Bray don't pay their bills they aren't in breach of the player contracts and the players cant simply walk away.

[White Horse]

Will the PFAI ask all other clubs for a guarantee that they have funding in place to see out the season ? Can't see too many clubs been able to guarantee this.

Bray claim they have secured investment to pay salaries until the end of the season, investment that was pulled like a rabbit out of a hat.

It is understandable that the players would want to check the bona fides of this suddenly appearing investment.

[A Wanderer]

Bray claim they have secured investment to pay salaries until the end of the season, investment that was pulled like a rabbit out of a hat.

It is understandable that the players would want to check the bona fides of this suddenly appearing investment.



its none of their business where the investment has come from or bona fides, their first statement is basically questioning the integrity of the chairman if they hadnt have come public on the issue they might have got an answer no chance now

[El-Pietro]

heres whats going to happen. Bray will continue paying their players until about... mid August - early September. Then wallop - we need you to take massive pay cuts. The players know this, thats why they want out now, or a guarantee that the money is there. This is their living we're talking about. They have bills to pay and food to put on the table. We've seen it before and we'll see it again.

[White Horse]

its none of their business where the investment has come from or bona fides, their first statement is basically questioning the integrity of the chairman if they hadnt have come public on the issue they might have got an answer no chance now

Given the statement from the Bray chairman two weeks ago regarding paying wages, I think it is very much the business of the players. As EP says , these are people with families and bills to pay.

[Nesta99]

We will see bonds having to be lodged with the FAI yet at the beginning of seasons or a % wage budget ringfenced in advance with the threshold creeping up annually over a period of time under some licencing criteria. I know this isnt viable when clubs live hand to mouth but precedence has been set where clubs in financial difficulty were asked to produce some sort of bond to get a licence - Drogheda was certainly one.

[gufct]

How can the Fai not answer letters or attend meetings as they run the league. Players livelihood at stake here time for the pfai to distance themselves from their cosy relationship with the fai.

[TonyD]

Will the PFAI ask all other clubs for a guarantee that they have funding in place to see out the season ? Can't see too many clubs been able to guarantee this.

In fairness though, no other club has told their players that they've run out of money. You can understand the players being sceptical.

[Crosshead]

Will the PFAI ask all other clubs for a guarantee that they have funding in place to see out the season ? Can't see too many clubs been able to guarantee this.

Have the other clubs given the PFAI the same concerns Bray have this season? Those behind the scenes can't expect to cause the fuss they have with the statement they released during a game and then expect everyone to assume all is well again just because they say so. They caused this mess, if they now have a remedy for it then they need to rebuild some bridges and show their workings.

[sbgawa]

Licencing should require a budget that has same gates and same sponsorship as previous season (no hoped for increases) anything above this should have to guaranteed by a bank guarantee.

[Nesta99]

Licencing should require a budget that has same gates and same sponsorship as previous season (no hoped for increases) anything above this should have to guaranteed by a bank guarantee.

I agree but i'd presume that imagined increases in crowds would have to be limited for budget increases to be passed (you'd hope). If 'investors' do come in like with Bray there could be room for requesting that investment to be 50% or so lodged with the FAI. such investment isnt reliant on match day income, if they have the money to invest properly they could fulfil such a requirement. If they cant do do or wont then the 'investment' would have to flag up concern not least with players if they are signing large 2 and 3 years contracts with no certainty that the contracts will be honoured. Rules that i thought were there already but it seems not but if a player is not payed over a set period of time in this sort of exceptional case they should become free agents and allowed sign elsewhere even outside a transfer window. I'd also have players contracts linked to the investor if possible so if they just pull investment rather than run out of money themselves the contract signed must still be honoured. I dont know how this would work legally but something like a guarantor from the investor?

[NeverFeltBetter]

Will Bray players turn up for the Cork game?

[micls]

Literally or figuratively? Literally they have to. Hopefully they're heads are elsewhere though

[gufct]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/

[Mr A]

Update in which the previous new investment is gone but more expected soon. 4 or 5 players have asked for contracts to be cancelled but board say it's all players or none.

And Denis O Connor complains about this being played out in the media.

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1284873/as-many-as-five-bray-wanderers-stars-have-requested-their-contracts-be-cancelled/
..

So many questions.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

A source said: “Dylan Connolly is the only player in years to have moved for a fee. If you want a transfer in this league, you get a contract cancelled.”

Kieran Sadlier moved for a fee 3 days later

[ToberonaTornado]

Denis O'Connor has this evening resigned as chairman of the club. Full statement: http://braywanderersfc.ie/denis-oconnor-resigns-bray-wanderers-fc/

[gufct]

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1288425/denis-oconnor-resigns-as-bray-wanderers-chairman/ The club has to be ****ed now. The Joy's of investors.

[Mr A]

Would not surprise me if he changed his mind and carried on as if it had not happened at some stage.

[D24Saint]

How are Bray looking to complete the season now with O'Connor gone.

[Jofspring]

So is it safe to say the new investors he had to cover wages was a load of rubbish?

[sbgawa]

If he has walked away and their are no new investors they will have to allow players to leave.

[nigel-harps1954]

It's a possibility that a new investor has been found, but on the condition that he left the club.

[total hoofball]

It's a possibility that a new investor has been found, but on the condition that he left the club.

Looks like it

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1289469/bray-wanderers-close-to-securing-investment-that-should-secure-their-future/

[Seagull]

Gerry Mulvey is acting Chairman http://braywanderersfc.ie/statement-regarding-departure-denis-oconnor/

[PartySaint]

Gerry Mulvey is acting Chairman http://braywanderersfc.ie/statement-regarding-departure-denis-oconnor/

I thought he had left as well?

[greywanderer]

I thought he had left as well?

Rumour has it that they didn't exactly get on together, maybe with Denis leaving Gerry might return..

[sidewayspasser]

That all sounds like a bad soap opera:
The two don't get on together, Mulvey pulls his investment out, causing chaos and putting O'Connor under fire. O'Connor ultimately resigns, and guess who resurfaces as a new chairman (albeit interim)?

[Seagull]

That all sounds like a bad soap opera:
The two don't get on together, Mulvey pulls his investment out, causing chaos and putting O'Connor under fire. O'Connor ultimately resigns, and guess who resurfaces as a new chairman (albeit interim)?

Well hopefully it works out like that. Mulvey continues to bankroll the club, O'Connor is gone (he still has 20% of Millway Dawn though). It'll be perfect if he takes his slimeball brother with him too and they're never seen in Bray again.

[pineapple stu]

Wasn't the issue in the first place that Mulvey doesn't have any more money though?

[Dove]

Wasn't the issue in the first place that Mulvey doesn't have any more money though?

Perhaps we are starting to see that it was just a spat on the bridge of the ship, O'Connor has been sent below deck, and Mulvey is on control on the bridge. Control perhaps was the real issue. But we still have the same ship guided by the property directors Mulvey, O'Connor and Kelly. Mulvey was glowing in praise for O'Connor on the website statement. Still happy buddies.
Is brother O'Connor still involved? Will the players accept the change? Will the supporters accept O'Connor brothers involvement?
As others have said, it is like a soap opera, perhaps more a farce!!!!!

[ger121]

If I was Fran and Irene. I'd be pitching the LOI to TV3 as a reality TV show. The league is soap opera gold! "What will Charlie the Chav do next? Tune in Friday @ 7pm, only on TV3..TV3..TV3..."

[Charlie Darwin]

"What will Charlie the Chav do next? Tune in Friday @ 7pm, only on TV3..TV3..TV3..."
That's below the belt, Ger ;)

[ger121]

That's below the belt, Ger ;)

Eh I may have mixed up his name there with a ex FF TD from Tallaght :o

[ToberonaTornado]

He gets paid handsomely for this crap:


League of Ireland chief Fran Gavin says that the situation at Bray Wanderers remains 'delicate' and insisted that the association could not have predicted the club's difficulties
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/bray-issues-could-not-have-been-predicted-insists-gavin-35956201.html

The demise of Bray was predicted on this forum at season start i believe?
By Bus drivers,support techs,builders,alchos,operatives,gravediggers etc....but a highly paid director at the FAI couldn't see through the bluff.
Jesus wept!!

[TonyD]

He gets paid handsomely for this crap:


http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/bray-issues-could-not-have-been-predicted-insists-gavin-35956201.html


The demise of Bray was predicted on this forum at season start i believe?
By Bus drivers,support techs,builders,alchos,operatives,gravediggers etc....but a highly paid director at the FAI couldn't see through the bluff.
Jesus wept!!

Indeed. As someone commented on Facbook, Stevie Wonder could have seen it coming. Listening to Fran Gavin at times you'd be forgiven for thinking that he was new to football, rather than an ex player in the league here. He is as big a disgrace as Delaney, and that's a high bar to reach.

[greywanderer]

According to the papers and Harry Kenny today is D- day for bray wanderers, another meeting this morning and Harry was told that today is the day for investors or not.

[Doom]

According to the papers and Harry Kenny today is D- day for bray wanderers, another meeting this morning and Harry was told that today is the day for investors or not.

Supposedly the players met with the PFAI this morning too... All is quiet though which would worry me if I was a Bray fan... Surely if there was good news they'd be getting that out ASAP

[Mr A]

I don't really get the impression that much has changed at Bray at all, for all the statements and so forth.

[Mr A]

Indo article: http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/frustrated-bray-players-ready-to-ask-for-quick-exit-35964392.html

Bray players still want out. There are still no new assurances. Wouldn't be surprised if Denis O Connor reappeared there as well.

[Doom]

So the FAI couldn't attend a meeting due to a bereavement, meeting has been rescheduled for today at some point. Basically, nothings changed but maybeeeee we'll hear something today

[brendy_éire]

Interesting that the FAI have the option to cancel contracts, but surely that would only be an option if wages are unpaid?
As for demanding that wage money is bonded, I don't think they players will get that. It's not something asked of other clubs, would be hard to force Bray to do so.

[Charlie Darwin]

Interesting that the FAI have the option to cancel contracts, but surely that would only be an option if wages are unpaid?
As for demanding that wage money is bonded, I don't think they players will get that. It's not something asked of other clubs, would be hard to force Bray to do so.
Limerick have been forced to bond money before.

[littlebray]

Wouldn't be surprised if Denis O Connor reappeared there as well.

Another source suggested to me this afternoon that he didn't really leave at all.

[gufct]

Limerick have been forced to bond money before.

Yes they were a sum of over €200,000.

[Seagull]

Limerick have been forced to bond money before.

Forced by who? The FAI?

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Yes - thought it was 250k myself