Bray statement

[RathfarnhamHoop]

If bray go bust or don't get a licence next year can anybody else see Joeys just taking over? Running an amateur team initially maybe? they will not want to lose their underage national league place

[sbgawa]

Would hate to see that happen as Joeys would have no ambition other than to continue to sell off kids to the UK, they'd never develop a support base.
We would be better off letting a second club up from the first division rather than have a play off with whomever finishes second bottom and try and fill the gap in the first division with a team from Tralee / Mayo / somewhere .........anywhere

[marinobohs]

Would hate to see that happen as Joeys would have no ambition other than to continue to sell off kids to the UK, they'd never develop a support base.
We would be better off letting a second club up from the first division rather than have a play off with whomever finishes second bottom and try and fill the gap in the first division with a team from Tralee / Mayo / somewhere .........anywhere

As far as I know Joeys have never shown the slightest interest in taking a place in the LOI. understand the idea (given location) but don't see any logical reason for them to do so now.

[sbgawa]

They are in practise running the bray under 15's 17's and 19's already who play under "St Josephs Bray (bray even let them change the bray crest on the shirt)
so for the cost of running an amateur under 21 type team that can finish bottom of the first division every year I could see them opting in.
If they don't and Bray fold they will be out of the Natiional leagues as I can't see Rovers UCD or cabinteely allow them run the show and change their crests etc.
Given the money they will lose if they can't send their best 15/16 year olds off to UK academies for a pittance as they do now I could see them going for it.


Biggest danger would be if the FAI allow them to compete as Joeys in the underage leagues but I cant really see that happening after the Kevins fiasco

[Mr A]

Players are balloting on strike action: https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/2841332/bray-wanderers-players-to-ballot-for-strike-action-today-after-going-seven-weeks-without-pay/

[RathfarnhamHoop]

As far as I know Joeys have never shown the slightest interest in taking a place in the LOI. understand the idea (given location) but don't see any logical reason for them to do so now.

With Cabo, UCD, Rovers all operating in pretty much the same catchment area there'd be no need for them to stay in the underage leagues with no senior team and you can bet your house those 3 teams would do everything they can to block them trying

[Lim till i die]

Players are balloting on strike action: https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/2841332/bray-wanderers-players-to-ballot-for-strike-action-today-after-going-seven-weeks-without-pay/

If this goes ahead (and shur they might aswell if they are not getting paid) they should try and arrange to picket every ground on the next full matchnight if there's enough pros left.

A cancelled full round of fixtures might bring about enough negative publicity to focus a few footballing minds in the country.

[sbgawa]

Jeez you Limerick boys go for the kill early :)
No messing around

[Lim till i die]

Jeez you Limerick boys go for the kill early :)
No messing around

It's why our football teams are so stunningly successful.

[sbgawa]

So if Bray fold then I make the new league table

Dundalk 63 +2 drew one match
Cork 60 +3 only played Bray once
Waterford 48 +4 drew twice
Rovers 40 +3 Lost
Derry 39 +3 Lost
Pats 33 +3 Lost
Bohs 28 + 3 only played Bray once
Sligo 26 +3 Lost
Limerick 21
Bray n/a

Waterford the winner , Limerick and Dundalk to a lessor extent lose out, although you could say Cork are a loser as they would have probably picked up the 3 points anyway whereas Dundalk are getting 2 points back they actually dropped

[El-Pietro]

We're past the half way mark, surely every game from here on would be a walkover rather than striking out previous results.

[marinobohs]

We're past the half way mark, surely every game from here on would be a walkover rather than striking out previous results.

Not sure. They probably haven't made the rule up yet :rolleyes:

[sbgawa]

We're past the half way mark, surely every game from here on would be a walkover rather than striking out previous results.


Fair point, I don't know

[nigel-harps1954]

We're past the half way mark, surely every game from here on would be a walkover rather than striking out previous results.

It was around the same point of the 2012 season that Monaghan pulled out wasn't it? Remember the criticism of John Delaney out drinking with the Irish fans in Poland while the craic with Monaghan was going on at home and he didn't seem to know much about it.

[sbgawa]

did they just do walkovers for the remaining fixtures then or unwind the results to that point ?
I don't remember (nothing new there)

[RathfarnhamHoop]

did they just do walkovers for the remaining fixtures then or unwind the results to that point ?
I don't remember (nothing new there)

They wiped the results from the records for monaghan

[White Horse]

Looks like another Monaghan United may be around the corner.

Players to go on strike and Bray unable to fulfil fixtures.

[ToberonaTornado]

Bray players to go on strike.


Notice of seven days must be handed to employers for strike action, with a statement from Bray players expected tomorrow to confirm that will happen next week.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0712/978316-bray-wanderers-players-set-for-strike-action/

[pineapple stu]

So three points for Bohs then?

When was the last time a league team scratched a game? Or has it ever happened? (All I can think of is Middlesbrough v Blackburn in the late 90s, which ultimately got them relegated)

[CorribsideSteve]

What a disaster, they're not going to make the end of the season. Another Monaghan as White Horse pointed out. At a time when Dundalk and Cork are trying to be flagships, at least two of the fleet behind them are on the verge of sinking to the bottom of the ocean.

[nigel-harps1954]

Bet they wished they'd taken McGettigans offer now..

[ATFC-1887]

So three points for Bohs then?

When was the last time a league team scratched a game? Or has it ever happened? (All I can think of is Middlesbrough v Blackburn in the late 90s, which ultimately got them relegated)

Athlone 2 years ago. Players refused to travel to Waterford after not being paid

[ToberonaTornado]

So three points for Bohs then?

When was the last time a league team scratched a game? Or has it ever happened? (All I can think of is Middlesbrough v Blackburn in the late 90s, which ultimately got them relegated)

Strike action to take place v Cork game it seems.(RTÉ have updated the original statement)

It means they will be playing their match with Bohemians on 20 July, but strike action will go ahead for the match with Cork City on 27 July.
Limerick players are in a similar situation with wages outstanding and it is believed that they could follow suit if the problems continue.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0712/978316-bray-wanderers-players-set-for-strike-action/

will cork have to k/o the match to claim the points??:confused:

Dark days for the league these:mad::(

[Charlie Darwin]

Strike action to take place v Cork game it seems.(RTÉ have updated the original statement)

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0712/978316-bray-wanderers-players-set-for-strike-action/

will cork have to k/o the match to claim the points??:confused:

Dark days for the league these:mad::(
No, they just have to be prepared to play.

[El-Pietro]

Not great news for us, especially as we have the Euro Bye should we fail to beat Legia. We probably would have had a decent crowd (~3k).

[Bray Head]

If this goes ahead (and shur they might aswell if they are not getting paid) they should try and arrange to picket every ground on the next full matchnight if there's enough pros left.

A cancelled full round of fixtures might bring about enough negative publicity to focus a few footballing minds in the country.

This would be illegal as you can only picket outside your employers business and not anyone else's.

[Bray Head]

Hopefully we can see out the season even if it means playing the under 19s and under 17s. I'm sure the FAI would want the league season completed and there are only 12 games to go.
Best case then would be for the present owners to go and someone else takes over and we can rebuild in the First division.

[sbgawa]

The FAI need to bring in the test the FA have in England "fit and proper person" I know it hasn't prevented some dodgy characters taking over clubs in the UK but at least it would give them the ability to react to things like this.
Assuming Bray go down and even if they don't they SURELY wont get a PD licence next year you'd have to imagine the current owners will walk at that point.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Hopefully we can see out the season even if it means playing the under 19s and under 17s. I'm sure the FAI would want the league season completed and there are only 12 games to go.
Best case then would be for the present owners to go and someone else takes over and we can rebuild in the First division.

Would the underage teams cross a picket to play?

And while against the law to picket other businesses, its happened without consequence before. Bus Eireann strikers picketed Irish Rail sites last year in "wildcat" actions, and not always shared depots.

Edit: Not that I think Bray players would actually do such a thing.

[Lim till i die]

This would be illegal as you can only picket outside your employers business and not anyone else's.

I know that. But I also have a fair idea what picketing the Carlisle grounds will get them. Desperate times and all that.

Will the PFAI be balloting their members to come out in sympathy I wonder.

Actually I don't. They will in their arse. :D

[Lim till i die]

Hopefully we can see out the season even if it means playing the under 19s and under 17s

The solution is to ask kids to pass a picket??

[sbgawa]

I know that. But I also have a fair idea what picketing the Carlisle grounds will get them. Desperate times and all that.

Will the PFAI be balloting their members to come out in sympathy I wonder.

Actually I don't. They will in their arse. :D

Jaysis will u cool your jets, maybe see if a strike in bray works first before we go for a national all out strike..
Wil the buses be on strike as well :)

[Lim till i die]

Jaysis will u cool your jets, maybe see if a strike in bray works first before we go for a national all out strike..
Wil the buses be on strike as well :)

Lol.

Working lads left without money for six weeks.

Gas craic.

Will the buses be on strike aswell. ROFLMAO

Lulz.

Etc.

Cretin.

[Mr A]

Bray players have voted for strike action.

Meanwhile Hugh Douglas has had to pay for his own treatment on a knee injury. https://twitter.com/hughie_douglas/status/1017727695843741696

[sbgawa]

I don't think asking a load of other lads to go and strike and lose their wages before seeing if the people who are affected can achieve something by going on strike themselves first is needed...my only net point.

I don't think anyone is anything other than ****ed off with the entire debacle there,

[sbgawa]

Bray players have voted for strike action.

Meanwhile Hugh Douglas has had to pay for his own treatment on a knee injury. https://twitter.com/hughie_douglas/status/1017727695843741696

That is truly shocking, have the owners in Bray no idea of personal responsibility , FAI should intervene......

[David BOHie]

Just on the reforming thing, if Bray are to fold then I think Wicklow Wanderers would be better than limiting their support to Bray.

[marinobohs]

I know that. But I also have a fair idea what picketing the Carlisle grounds will get them. Desperate times and all that.

Will the PFAI be balloting their members to come out in sympathy I wonder.

Actually I don't. They will in their arse. :D

Presumably THE PFAI will be advising their members not to pass an official picket and their fellow members in the opposition will honor that ? it would be a surprise if PFAI allowed members pass one of their own official pickets. similarly as has been said, underage players are unlikely to pass an official picket ? When bray are playing away (say Dalymount for example) can they then picket that ground as their designated workplace ?

Oh, and will PFAI be pursuing the club legally for breach of contract ?

best Little league in the World :rolleyes:

[sbgawa]

That's an interesting one, if the Bray players were picketing and the Cork players wouldn't pass the picket what happens ??

[NeverFeltBetter]

Do they literally have to be in the ground to show they are in a position to play the fixture?

[Lim till i die]

Do they literally have to be in the ground to show they are in a position to play the fixture?

If the cork city players are unwilling to pass a picket then cork are not in a position to play the fixture.

If the cork city players are willing to pass a picket they are all filthy dirty SCABS.

Either way I think we can all agree cork city must shoulder most of the blame for the situation.

[Longfordian]

Cork could arrive early before any picketers. Getting home might be more complicated but three points are three points.

[D24Saint]

Cork could arrive early before any picketers. Getting home might be more complicated but three points are three points.

Scabs F.C. ;)

[D24Saint]

In all seriousness this raises a huge moral dilemma for Cork players to do their job for their club they have to pass a picket it’s slightly undiscovered country in the LOI.

[micls]

I don't think there's any benefit to any one of letting that situation occur. I imagine City would be asking the FAI to confirm whether the game will be played before travelling.

That said, we've been in this position, and I can't imagine our lads passing a picket like this. It wouldn't be in the interest of any players in the league to do so. And they're PFAI members.

Tougher on the u19s to make that decision. Likely not PFAI members yet and they're basically kids.

[Longfordian]

Yeah I thought that earlier, if the 19s/17s get asked to turn out what will they do? You’d like to think their coaches would protect them and say no, but who knows?

[Charlie Darwin]

I doubt it would come to the point of being a physical picket at the fixture. The players would assert their right to strike and the FAI would simply cancel the fixture with blame assigned to Bray Wanderers, so no picket for Cork to pass.

[Nesta99]

That would have to be it! Cork wont be put in the position of not fulfilling the fixture.

[Ezeikial]

I doubt it would come to the point of being a physical picket at the fixture. The players would assert their right to strike and the FAI would simply cancel the fixture with blame assigned to Bray Wanderers, so no picket for Cork to pass.

If Bray insist on their ability and intention to fulfill the fixture, it would present the FAI with a dilemma around potentially cancelling the fixture and awarding the match to the opposition

[MattB11]

FAI giving Bray until Monday to pay players or sanctions will be imposed