Bray statement

[Seagull]

'Insufficient evidence' of match fixing Bray- waterford game http://leagueofireland.ie/index.php/2018/02/08/fai-release-statement-bray-wanderers-investigation/

[pineapple stu]

Good news for Bray! No charges in the match-rigging issue (https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0208/939374-no-charges-following-bray-match-fixing-investigation/).

[osarusan]

That was the asterisk that could have saved us!

[ToberonaTornado]

A NUMBER of Bray Wanderers players have not been paid on time.
SunSport has learned that, ahead of tonight’s first home game of the season against St Pat’s, certain members of Dave Mackey’s squad had not yet received their wages.

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/2223629/some-bray-wanderers-players-not-paid-on-time-ahead-of-home-opener-against-st-pats/

[NeverFeltBetter]

Is this North Korea's fault as well?

[forza]

Is this North Korea's fault as well?

Only two ticket sellers tonight and with a large away crowd they ended up opening a gate and taking cash off people (not sure if ticket stubs were handed out for the side project I was already inside at that stage or if 'proper' pricing was applied to those paying in on the side gate).

[ToberonaTornado]

When your buzzed ;):D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWyaNv1WkAAP2WY.jpg

[Ezeikial]

Bray's John Sullivan says the Irish Sun's story garbage, and that all the players were paid.

http://www.extratime.ie/articles/20471/brays-john-sullivan-refutes-claims-players-werent-paid/

Have the paper or Owen Cowzer or Neil O'Riordan responded publicly to the "Put up or shut up" challenge? Are they still standing over their story?

[osarusan]

Bray sorted for another couple of months anyway! (https://www.facebook.com/100008557429213/videos/1804932683135295/?id=100008557429213&hc_ref=ARS21noS3SyeU1Y5jAcnrzsnOpfYWUfNClxxgqMliJJ QC3PKZ-Rx6KS3u54eJ6be8O8&fref=nf)

[bennocelt]

Bray sorted for another couple of months anyway! (https://www.facebook.com/100008557429213/videos/1804932683135295/?id=100008557429213&hc_ref=ARS21noS3SyeU1Y5jAcnrzsnOpfYWUfNClxxgqMliJJ QC3PKZ-Rx6KS3u54eJ6be8O8&fref=nf)


Ha ha yeah.
Those kind of "bets" are common to see online. Always shown after the result!;)

[sulywaterfordfc]

Bray sorted for another couple of months anyway! (https://www.facebook.com/100008557429213/videos/1804932683135295/?id=100008557429213&hc_ref=ARS21noS3SyeU1Y5jAcnrzsnOpfYWUfNClxxgqMliJJ QC3PKZ-Rx6KS3u54eJ6be8O8&fref=nf)

Funny how those “Winning bets” also appear on those pages after a high offer result comes in 😂

[El-Pietro]

Thats an insane bet for a correct score though. Either that guy has a serious gambling issue and is in incredible financial difficulty or he knew something.

[osarusan]

Thats an insane bet for a correct score though. Either that guy has a serious gambling issue and is in incredible financial difficulty or he knew something.
eh, I am assuming it is fake.

[Lim till i die]

Oh it's not fake.

What you do is you send them all of your credit card numbers. And if one of them is lucky you win a prize.

[Bray Head]

31/1 seems an unusual price. A lot of money on it but I'm sure every match has someone betting on an unexpected score.

[Nesta99]

Thats an insane bet for a correct score though. Either that guy has a serious gambling issue and is in incredible financial difficulty or he knew something.

Or he is incredibly well off and can take a wild punt like that?!

[bennocelt]

This is how they work
http://onlineadrian.com/how-facebook-betting-scammers-make-money/

As said that is definitely fake. They can be done up and I have seen them before online. I even think there are computer programs that do mock up betting slips. If u want proof, Id like to see him collect it in person and take a photo. Those bar codes are important!

I also see he is trying to get people to follow him for his next bet........
Who fancies it! :D

[sulywaterfordfc]

You send them money, they give people in return different outcomes privately without the people known. They take your money block you if the outcome loses and for the lucky outcome that has won they’ll then get more money from that person, without that person even known it’s a scam. They’ll post the fake slip to suck people in and repeat the process. Then they make money off people been gullible, it’s known to happen on Facebook, and I’d be sure this is another example

[Nesta99]

You send them money, they give people in return different outcomes privately without the people known. They take your money block you if the outcome loses and for the lucky outcome that has won they’ll then get more money from that person, without that person even known it’s a scam. They’ll post the fake slip to suck people in and repeat the process. Then they make money off people been gullible, it’s known to happen on Facebook, and I’d be sure this is another example

Had a double take on that first bit initially lol.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

I've seen some mad money put on bets, mostly people doing a start with a tenner winnings carry on to next week see how much you can get in 10 weeks kind of thing, but that amount of money on a correct score? Nah not buying it

[sulywaterfordfc]

Had a double take on that first bit initially lol.

Meant the without known bit that they give different people different outcomes on a match, without the other person known that they’re telling each person to gamble on a different outcome, where eventually one will win then come back and offer more money. When people hand over money they think they’re onto a winner, they don’t realize they’ve just been scammed. The lucky few will get a return but the majority won’t. I always find it hard to believe how people truly believe a Facebook page will give you a fixed match outcome for a low amount.

[Nesta99]

So who is brave enough to take the managers job - comeback for Roddy or is life as Bray manager to much turmoil even for him?

[greywanderer]

I wonder would Mcguinnes come back now that Mackey has gone, talk of another ex assistant manager ( few years back )under consideration .

[Nesta99]

I wonder would Mcguinnes come back now that Mackey has gone, talk of another ex assistant manager ( few years back )under consideration .

Maciej? Did a good job at the time!

[pineapple stu]

Maciej didn't want the job then; will he want it now?

[Nesta99]

Isnt he coaching under age side at UCD these days? You might have a better idea Stu. Im not sure if he has his pro licence either tbh. Still he'd be a good choice if he was willing though i'd doubt there will be too many interested.

[pineapple stu]

He was 19s manager last year anyway. I think he's still there

[Ezeikial]

From an article last Sept Maciej Tarnogrodzki clarifies that he couldn't take up the Bray job on a full-time basis previously because of the absence of Pro-Licence.

Presumably not a barrier now


In Ireland, he worked initially with Shelbourne’s Under-15s, then joined Bray Wanderers’ underage set-up before briefly taking the first team in 2015.
He added: “I didn’t have a Pro Licence so I couldn’t manage full-time but I’m now on the course with the Irish FA in Belfast.
“It is a good group and there is a lot of Premier League experience — people like Harry Kewell, Benni McCarthy and Hermann Hreidarsson are on the course.
“I couldn’t get on the Pro Licence with the FAI but I’m happy with the course I am on, it is a very good course.”

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1589551/maciej-tarnogrodzki-hopes-his-ucd-scholars-can-teach-opponents-molde-a-few-lessons/

[outspoken]

Tony Cousins would bite your hand off for the Job. Not that it will do Bray or him any good.

[Nesta99]

From an article last Sept Maciej Tarnogrodzki clarifies that he couldn't take up the Bray job on a full-time basis previously because of the absence of Pro-Licence.

Presumably not a barrier now



https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1589551/maciej-tarnogrodzki-hopes-his-ucd-scholars-can-teach-opponents-molde-a-few-lessons/

If he now has his pro licence he'd be hard to look past by the Bray owners. Though things at Bray dont make much sense these days. Unrelegatables saved by Maciej ....Limerick and Sligo beware :p

[ToberonaTornado]

Martin Russell for Bray and..... Roddy C. also being considered says the Sun.

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/2415612/martin-russell-tops-bray-wanderers-wanted-list-while-roddy-collins-is-also-in-running-after-dave-mackeys-resignation/

[NeverFeltBetter]

A real lost cause for Russell if he was to take it, presumably they'd want him with a mind to get promoted in 2019.

[sbgawa]

Lost cause ??
If they beat Dundalk on Friday and Rovers on Monday they could be level with Sligo with 25 games to go in the season, plenty of time for a push for Europe.

I'm joking obviously but they are 6 points off Sligo and have some decent players.
The biggest problem is clearly motivation, if Russell can give them a reason why they should be trying then maybe they might start doing it...

How long can the people funding this be bothered keeping the show on the road might be the most relevant thing ?

[Mr A]

Employing Roddy can sometimes feel like the start of a final farcical act on the way to complete implosion of a club.

Would probably still take him ahead of Russell all the same.

[Ezeikial]

Bray Wanderers have appointed Graham Kelly as caretaker manager for the foreseeable future. Graham has been a member of the coaching staff since 2016.We would like to thank Graham for taking on this difficult task at short notice
https://twitter.com/BrayWanderers/status/983711436231856128

[Ezeikial]

I predict a G Kelly will be the next Premier Division manager to lose his job

[NeverFeltBetter]

Lost cause ??
If they beat Dundalk on Friday and Rovers on Monday they could be level with Sligo with 25 games to go in the season, plenty of time for a push for Europe.

I'm joking obviously but they are 6 points off Sligo and have some decent players.
The biggest problem is clearly motivation, if Russell can give them a reason why they should be trying then maybe they might start doing it...

How long can the people funding this be bothered keeping the show on the road might be the most relevant thing ?

I think the gap between Bray and the rest is big enough in playing terms. Limerick are very poor this season, and could be considered the closest to Bray in terms of quality (notwithstanding how the table looks currently), and Bray barely threatened them in the MF. The consistent nature of their results (like how they conceded more goals against ten men than 11 in Derry) would indicate significant problems that won't be easily overcome. We all know one of those might be timely payment of wages, and players who aren't sure when they are getting paid aren't motivated. In similar circumstances in his last full PD season with Limerick, Russell only turned things around when the club brought in more players mid-season, and even that wasn't enough.

[sbgawa]

Replacing with an internal appointment smacks of not being prepared to pay a manager like Russell or Collins.
If the moneymen have made that call I doubt there is much road left.

[Yossarian]

https://twitter.com/BrayWanderers/status/983711436231856128

There’s a worrying infiltration of Graham Kellys in the league now.

[sidewayspasser]

There’s a worrying infiltration of Graham Kellys in the league now.
Can we be sure it's not all the same person?

[Ezeikial]

Is this the guy?
https://foot.ie/attachment.php?attachmentid=2664&stc=1

[Nesta99]

If the moneymen have made that call I doubt there is much road left.

If it is the case there will a be a good shake up of GD for a few clubs. A couple of businessmen have managed to get the unrelegatables at best probably relegated and at worst gone. Fran Gavin will be prepping his 9 team league promo talk just in case no doubt. It's a sad affair and once again will bring licencsing under scrutiny if players are not being payed after last season's messing. If Bray do have further problems with paying players, especially if they pull out of the league it wouldnt be a surprise to have some sort of bond needed to be lodged with the FAI as part of licencsing in future. Bray will probably, (hopefully) at minimum limp along until November, after that though it would be pretty bleak looking for their future unless Kelly can motivate them and keep them up. It'll all be Wicklow County Council's fault....

[pineapple stu]

I think we know licencing is a joke; the FAI will find a way to fudge it. Look at Athlone. I'm sure there's a couple more investors out there who can be found. Fran simply can't afford to lose any more clubs (which partly comes back to the very short-sighted decision to change the LoI to a summer season, which simply increased the divide between senior football and the rest)

Also worth noting that for all the mess Bray are in now (and there's no evidence that payments are being missed - but they are bottom of the league with a much reduced budget compared to last year and an unknown manager), they were worse three years ago when the current regime came in. Is there even any viable alternative? Would Pat Devlin go back? How would that impact Cabinteely if it happened?

If only we had branded bus stops...

[Ezeikial]

Is it too much of a presumption to conclude that Graham Kelly has a Pro licence if the statement says he is "caretaker manager for the foreseeable future"?

[micls]

They could have gotten an exemption if they've gotten him signed up on a course.

[mcgonigle]

Paul O'Hehir of the mirror reporting that Russell is in line to take the job and might be in place by Friday. Even for Bray that is a ridiculously short reign for Kelly

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/martin-russell-poised-become-new-12338742.amp?__twitter_impression=true

[sbgawa]

Kelly never lost a match for Bray , tbf that's not bad for a caretaker.

[Nesta99]

Kelly never lost a match for Bray , tbf that's not bad for a caretaker.

Especially when it was such a difficult task!?!

FFS do they know what they are doing at all, its like one person doesnt want to spend too much and put a name out before others could choose a pricier option but it didnt work.

[EnzoScifo10]

Paul O'Hehir of the mirror reporting that Russell is in line to take the job and might be in place by Friday. Even for Bray that is a ridiculously short reign for Kelly

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/martin-russell-poised-become-new-12338742.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Sounds about right that in Bray's timeline the foreseeable future is just before the weekend..

[greywanderer]

Paul O'Hehir of the mirror reporting that Russell is in line to take the job and might be in place by Friday. Even for Bray that is a ridiculously short reign for Kelly

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/martin-russell-poised-become-new-12338742.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Sounds about right from what I'm hearing tonight..