Bray statement

[Bray Head]

No appointment so far. More speculation from the media. If it's going to happen will probably happen after tonight and before Monday's game against Rovers.

[Seagull]

http://i67.tinypic.com/rr8vgw.jpg

[pineapple stu]

Bill Cosby, cancer scandals and Bray.

What a league...

[Seagull]

Bill Cosby, cancer scandals and Bray.

What a league...

You forgot Kilkenny hurlers...

[Mr A]

Piece in the Sunday Business Post yesterday:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdpB6fqU0AAzshn.jpg

Bit of a pattern emerging.

[atfconline]

SBP obviously never heard of "i before e except after c".

[White Horse]

Trouble at mill?

[sbgawa]

So if they get F'ecked out I make it
Rovers + 3 points
Derry + 3 points
Dundalk + 2 points
Waterford +2

Cork and Pats the big losers,,,,,,,apart from the Bray fans and players obviously.
Now if we could just get Bohs to go out of business we'd be back in the title race :)


reported that bray players weren't paid + Bray just released an "injury" list

Dillon, Douglas, Rodgers, Sullivan, Noone,Kelly, Gorman, Ellis, Greene and doubtful Gibbons, Kenna, McCabe

[NeverFeltBetter]

Trouble at mill?

I assume this is a reference to the reports Bray players haven't been paid (again), or is it something else?

[Mr A]

Tweet from Dan Gorman, who covers the club closely. https://twitter.com/DanGorman_/status/999923187323301888


‏ @DanGorman_

I understand that Bray Wanderers players were not paid this morning as scheduled.

[Nesta99]

So if they get F'ecked out I make it
Rovers + 3 points
Derry + 3 points
Dundalk + 2 points
Waterford +2

Cork and Pats the big losers,,,,,,,apart from the Bray fans and players obviously.
Now if we could just get Bohs to go out of business we'd be back in the title race :)


reported that bray players weren't paid + Bray just released an "injury" list

Dillon, Douglas, Rodgers, Sullivan, Noone,Kelly, Gorman, Ellis, Greene and doubtful Gibbons, Kenna, McCabe

Not the worst time for Dundalk to have Bray at Oriel. They will probably limp along until the end of the season on the basis of their lodging €100k in to an escrow account before getting a licence. It would cover wages and its also unlikely that 'investors' will want to lose that bond so they might just barely pay their way until season's end - depends on which woulld cost least, losing the €100k bond or keeping things ticking over I suppose. Either way its a disgrace!! Assuming that Bray players' hearts are not going to be in playing this evening after not being payed well its an unfair advantage to the Bray opposition, in this case Dundalk. If results are expunged in due course there are going to be some very annoyed people with points and a good lot of damage to GD done too for a few of sides.

[Burnsie]

did Martin Russell turn them down in the end or what? Sounded like his appointment was a fait accompli at one stage but the last day on Soccer Republic they had the other fella captioned as "caretaker manager"

[pineapple stu]

They will probably limp along until the end of the season on the basis of their lodging €100k in to an escrow account before getting a licence.
And if that's already gone?

[Seagull]

did Martin Russell turn them down in the end or what? Sounded like his appointment was a fait accompli at one stage but the last day on Soccer Republic they had the other fella captioned as "caretaker manager"

The caretaker manager can only stay in charge for a limited time as he doesn't have the required UEFA credentials. Russell was in the dugout again at the last home game, not sure about Cork and Derry games? Unbelievable that Joeys find themselves owed money again by Bray, it's why the previous partnership fell apart- once bitten and all that.

[Nesta99]

I dont see why such payments cannot be made directly by the FAI when UEFA allocates money!? Have the academy club bill Bray or whomever and then forward the bill on. It would be different if it were a solidarity payment from a transfer fee rather than a youth development UEFA allocation of funds. Or have a system where the the academy club that is out of pocket able to bill the governing body as they granted the licence. The licencing process would be pretty water tight if there was a risk of the FAI having to fork out for money that wasnt passed on by clubs. The 100k bond lodged will cover this in the end but not without serious damage to what little remains of Bray's reputation.

[pineapple stu]

The 100k bond lodged will cover this in the end but not without serious damage to what little remains of Bray's reputation.
Well, not if it's gone, it won't

[NeverFeltBetter]

Coincidentally, ex Limerick keeper Barry Ryan is on Twitter claiming Limerick players haven't been paid this week. Maybe we can start our own league with Bray, Monaghan and Athlone.

[Nesta99]

Coincidentally, ex Limerick keeper Barry Ryan is on Twitter claiming Limerick players haven't been paid this week. Maybe we can start our own league with Bray, Monaghan and Athlone.

Funny enough Monaghan were a fairly tightly run club and when they could no longer make ends meet they pulled out of LoI - they didnt leave a pile of debt in their wake to local business etc. They never ceased to exist just couldnt manage the cost of a senior team so did the right thing imo - I would say that considering it probably saved us!

[greywanderer]

I assume this is a reference to the reports Bray players haven't been paid (again), or is it something else?

Any more news on these references, could Bray just be having a rotten run of luck with injuries ( I'm not saying players would fake injuries). I believe Russell hasn't been confirmed yet because he had some sort of release clause when he left last team.

[total hoofball]

They are definitely having rotten luck with injuries, all appear legitimate. Douglas is out for rest the season and likely is McGovern with that scary injury. No sign of important players like Greene, Sullivan, Noone, Kelly returning yet

[osarusan]

Russell confirmed as Bray manager.

[ToberonaTornado]

here we go AGAIN....

https://twitter.com/DanGorman_/status/1013459398348419073


Bray Wanderers players failed to receive payment on Friday prior to the crunch clash with Limerick. The club provided no food post-match so the bus had to stop at a shop to allow players to buy dinner. The chairman has asked players to wait until Tuesday for possible payment.

[osarusan]

Bray took a look at Limerick and thought 'Nobody outbrays Bray."

[nigel-harps1954]

G'wan Bray!

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[total hoofball]

"Never saw this coming etc." - Fran Gavin, John Delaney, FAI Licensing Committee

[pineapple stu]

Biggest worry has there's no Plan B for taking over the club it seems. Even Athlone have mobilised to try get rid of the guys in charge there.

Obviously it's not an easy thing to do (couldn't do it at UCD for example), but it has to be a worry. If the current crowd walk away, who picks up the pieces?

[Guitd]

Biggest worry has there's no Plan B for taking over the club it seems. Even Athlone have mobilised to try get rid of the guys in charge there.

Obviously it's not an easy thing to do (couldn't do it at UCD for example), but it has to be a worry. If the current crowd walk away, who picks up the pieces?

No one, it would just be doing the league a favour if they did walk away ,joke of a club 2 years running ,how the bluffed their way past FAI & licencing again shows how bad our league been run

[sbgawa]

Very cynical really . They have obviously decided they are relegated so see no point in paying people.

[David BOHie]

No one, it would just be doing the league a favour if they did walk away ,joke of a club 2 years running ,how the bluffed their way past FAI & licencing again shows how bad our league been run

If you bluff your way past the FAI then you're only fooling yourself. The onus falls on, and only on, Bray Wanderers in this instance.

[EatYerGreens]

No one, it would just be doing the league a favour if they did walk away ,joke of a club 2 years running ,how the bluffed their way past FAI & licencing again shows how bad our league been run

You don't need to bluff your way past the FAI. They can't afford to turn any existing clubs away from the league - a 19 club structure would be a farce, and add to the gradual dwindling of senior clubs that's been happening over the last few years. And as we know, there are no clubs beating a path to join the LOI - because it just isn't worth it. So if you apply for a license you'll be waved through by the FAI no matter how unrealistic your application, with Abbotstown just hoping that you can somehow not implode afterwards.

[Charlie Darwin]

You don't need to bluff your way past the FAI. They can't afford to turn any existing clubs away from the league - a 19 club structure would be a farce, and add to the gradual dwindling of senior clubs that's been happening over the last few years. And as we know, there are no clubs beating a path to join the LOI - because it just isn't worth it. So if you apply for a license you'll be waved through by the FAI no matter how unrealistic your application, with Abbotstown just hoping that you can somehow not implode afterwards.
Or deny two clubs a licence.

[Nesta99]

What about the people that were involved prior when the lock out incident occured. Would pride get in the way of the current lot handing over control to the other faction of that time? They have obviously written off the 100k bond that was lodged with the FAI and the wage bill is hardly so high that it wouldnt go significantly to cover wages for the remaining games. If Russell walks away in the next week or so then it would be curtains for the club, well unless they know the FAI will work things to keep the club in senior football somehow.

[pineapple stu]

How can you write off a bond?

The bond is already spent

[Seagull]

Biggest worry has there's no Plan B for taking over the club it seems. Even Athlone have mobilised to try get rid of the guys in charge there.

Obviously it's not an easy thing to do (couldn't do it at UCD for example), but it has to be a worry. If the current crowd walk away, who picks up the pieces?

Why haven't they walked away though? Denis O'Connor stepped down as chairman but he's still knocking around with his idiot brother. What's in this for Gerry Mulvey? It's looking like the plan all along was to run down the club til nobody cared anymore and then make a development move for the Carlisle Grounds.

[marinobohs]

Sad to see this debacle AGAIN.Quite simply either licencing does not work or the current 'administrators' are incapable of working it. This cannot be a surprise to anyone and the PFAI statement that the FAI have refused (sorry been 'unavailable') to meet them is nothing short of negligence.
Even for an FAI dripping with distain for its own league, this cannot be allowed to continue. Most LOI fans raised an eyebrow when Brays 'full time' plan was unveiled two years back, and indeed speculated on the REAL reason yet the experts in the FAI appear to have accepted Hans Christen Anderson business proposals as fact. not just once but twice.

In proper football authorities it would be called bringing the game into disrepute

[Mr A]

The other side of the coin is that up until this point, Bray have actually honoured their commitments. We all know it'll end in tears, but it's difficult for the governing body to use that to punish them- and then very probably leave the league down to 19 teams.

Am as frustrated as the rest of you with these antics but the responsibility is primarily in Bray.

[centre mid]

Make no mistake - this was always a property play from Mulvey. Hopefully the majority of people and fans that were alienated by the present administration will return when this sorry mess is over.

[pineapple stu]

Not to take away from that sentiment, but Bray were going bust before Mulvey came onboard. Going back to how it was isn't an option either, unless something drastic changes

[El-Pietro]

Why haven't they walked away though? Denis O'Connor stepped down as chairman but he's still knocking around with his idiot brother. What's in this for Gerry Mulvey? It's looking like the plan all along was to run down the club til nobody cared anymore and then make a development move for the Carlisle Grounds.

Would it not have been easier to do all of this but at the bottom of the first division? Drive away fans through disinterest?

[Lim till i die]

Club licensing is there for the fai to use as a stick to beat bold clubs it doesn't like. Always was and always will be.

The amount of ****eing on about it that goes on every year. It's freely available to read.

You could count the number of clubs who'd actually get a licence if the criteria was enforced on the fingers of one hand that was half way through a mincer. (Our league champions shouldn't have a premier licence for example.)

As for the PFAI - absolutely no clout. Hence the fai don't have to bother with them. Does mcguinness still have his little office across the hall from Fran? Real agents for positive change there.

[Nesta99]

How can you write off a bond?

The bond is already spent

I was under the impression that 100k was lodged with the FAI in an escrow account, a security bond type thing. I know little about the way these things work but as part of granting a licence that this money was set aside with the FAI in the event of Bray and the people in charge reneging on committments made. What I meant by the bond being written off was that the people behind the bankrolling of Bray have decided that the loss of the bond is acceptable. The FAI can use the 100k in the escrow to try and pay players assuming that they will be a priority eg the FAI wont take Bray's participation fee before employees of the club. get paid How far that 100K will go (probably not very far) will depend on what the level of playing budget that Bray and by extension the FAI via licensing have committed to.

[pineapple stu]

I believe the bond is spent.

Presumably on April and May wages.

[EatYerGreens]

Or deny two clubs a licence.

But the FAI don't want to see the number of clubs reduced at all, as it reflects badly on them and the general atmosphere in (and viability of) Irish domestic football. Hence why they give licenses out on the basis of hope and fantasy, rather than fact.

[pineapple stu]

Fran is surely running out of contacts at this stage though?

[Nesta99]

I believe the bond is spent.

Presumably on April and May wages.

Ah ok! So Bray haven't really payed their players out of their season's budget for maybe 3 months. The moneymen were making sure that they got their 100k back in some way by not paying players as they agreed to do so and have the FAI dip in to the escrow. They really have made total fools out of a lot of people in particular the FAI. Why anyone agreed to risk signing for them!?

[pineapple stu]

Well it was always an escrow, not a bond surely? The money would have been refunded at the end of the season if it wasn't used (or retained for 2019), or else it would have been used. Either way, the money men would never have lost it.

But yeah, you wonder where it's going alright.

[Mr A]

A Facebook memory popped up today in which I mentioned "the absolute shambles at Bray". It was from 2015.

#GreatestLeagueInTheWorld

[disgruntled]

Club licensing is there for the fai to use as a stick to beat bold clubs it doesn't like. Always was and always will be.

The amount of ****eing on about it that goes on every year. It's freely available to read.

You could count the number of clubs who'd actually get a licence if the criteria was enforced on the fingers of one hand that was half way through a mincer. (Our league champions shouldn't have a premier licence for example.)

As for the PFAI - absolutely no clout. Hence the fai don't have to bother with them. Does mcguinness still have his little office across the hall from Fran? Real agents for positive change there.

Can you explain a little more on that ?

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Can you explain a little more on that ?

Their ground doesn't meet standard therefore technically they shouldn't be in the league

[MattB11]

How does Turners Cross not meet premier league standard?