FAI Cup 2017

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Your point being?

I think the point would be dundalk fans wanted mcallister hung drawn and quartered when he "ended shiels' season" but both of those, one that has actually ended a players season, seem to have been ignored

[Nesta99]

I think the point would be dundalk fans wanted mcallister hung drawn and quartered when he "ended shiels' season" but both of those, one that has actually ended a players season, seem to have been ignored

Hung, drawn, qartered and then burnt at the Square in Dundalk you mean! A red card for a filthy tackle would have sufficed nicely. Nobody has claimed that the injuries to any Shams players were anything to do with dangerous foul play. Could have been inoccuous collisions that turned out to be unfortunate, nothing more. How'd the tidy up duties in SDCC Stadium go - any mystery gifts left???

[Ezeikial]

. How'd the tidy up duties in SDCC Stadium go - any mystery gifts left???

It takes about 10 days or so for these stories to be formulated

[mcgonigle]

It takes about 10 days or so for these stories to be formulated

Asterix is off racking his brain to come up with something, he's gone quiet after accusing O'Donnell of headbutting Bradley.

Closing the toilets was an interesting solution to the so called incident. Sums the club up

[Ezeikial]

Closing the toilets was an interesting solution to the so called incident. Sums the club up

Unfair - don't you know it was the council that closed the toilets. According to a steward it was closed due to a plumbing problem that spread to the ladies toilets during the match. Presumably the efficient council had it sorted out for visiting Sligo fans last night?

[Yossarian]

Unfair - don't you know it was the council that closed the toilets. According to a steward it was closed due to a plumbing problem that spread to the ladies toilets during the match. Presumably the efficient council had it sorted out for visiting Sligo fans last night?

Those pesky stewards really should have had their stories straight as I was told by one that the toilets were closed as a security measure.

[Nesta99]

Portaloos on standby too - especially efficient by SDCC!

[sbgawa]

Genuinely disappointed with this guy's. I thought we'd agreed we had *******s following both teams. Sdcc closed the toilets and restricted visiting fans as a result of what had gone on before. Simple as that...what on earth do you think they were bringing in portaloos for if not to make a point. Don't defend the indefensible it lowers you to the level of your lowest individuals.

[Charlie Darwin]

Agreed sbgawa, it's a ****ty situation for all of us.

[GCdfc]

So it all happened at the EA Sports Cup Final?

[JC_GUFC]

Nobody qualifies through the cup it goes to the league. Rovers now guaranteed Europe because of that after tonight's games

Technically Dundalk qualify through the cup if they win it and so 3rd and 4th in the league qualify. It doesn’t matter this year as they’ll be 2nd but for Europa League purposes the cup entrant is the highest ranked participant.

Anyway I think the original question was more on the lines of what happens if Cork do the double and for at least 5 years now the rules have been changed by UEFA that only the cup winners can qualify. Beaten finalists are not entitled to a European spot.

[oriel]

Technically an interesting point. Cork qualified for Europe in August I think, and Dundalk secured second spot a few weeks ago, so that was two of the four places confirmed. The fact that both are in the cup final means neither can USE the cup final as the method of qualifying. This means the team coming fourth gets the additional spot, but if Limerick had beaten Cork and qualified for the cup and lost, the spot would still have gone to the side finishing fourth. Only a Limerick cup win would have got them into Europe at the expense of the side finishing fourth.

I have vague memories of possibly Waterford qualifying as beaten finalists in mid eighties. Galway possibly too but they might have finished in the top three. The rule has definitely changed now though.

[trevy]

Technically an interesting point. Cork qualified for Europe in August I think, and Dundalk secured second spot a few weeks ago, so that was two of the four places confirmed. The fact that both are in the cup final means neither can USE the cup final as the method of qualifying. This means the team coming fourth gets the additional spot, but if Limerick had beaten Cork and qualified for the cup and lost, the spot would still have gone to the side finishing fourth. Only a Limerick cup win would have got them into Europe at the expense of the side finishing fourth.

I have vague memories of possibly Waterford qualifying as beaten finalists in mid eighties. Galway possibly too but they might have finished in the top three. The rule has definitely changed now though.

That's correct. Waterford lost the 1986 FAI Cup final to Shamrock Rovers but qualified for Europe in Cup Winners Cup I think and played Bordeaux. That was the last time we played in European football.

[WoodquayBoy]

Correct from our side as well - we lost the 1985 FAI Cup final to Shamrock Rovers, but as they also won the league, we took the place on offer in the 1985/86 European Cup Winners' Cup by virtue of being the beaten finalists (we finished 6th in the league).
The following season we finished second in the league and so qualified for the UEFA Cup through the league route.

[Trainee]

Ufea changed rules a few years ago where cup runners up would not get a European place, so if cup winners qualify for europe trough league then an a place would be offered to highest team in league who didn't qualify for Europe.

[oriel]

And to complete the sequence in 1987 Dundalk met Rovers in the final (cup specialist last win) and lost but we finished second in the league that season so I had assumed we had qualified for Europe that way.

Bohs came 3rd, and I think only 3 got into Europe those days, League winners, league runners up & Cup winners. With Dlk making the cup final this paved the way for Bohs to get the final spot, however a quick check on wiki I see Dlk played in the European Cup Winners competition that season.

[Charlie Darwin]

It was different in those days because somebody had to compete in the Cup Winners' Cup so it had to be the runner up rather than best-placed team.

[El-Pietro]

Its still the same now. The team who wins the cup takes the "Primary" Europa League spot. If the same team wins the league and cup, that "Primary" spot goes to the league runners up. Its not a big deal in Ireland but in some countries the Cup Winner enters at a later round.

[Straightstory]

Premium Tickets for the Cup Final - 30 euros - aren't available from Ticketmaster. Why is this - anyone know? Do they become available nearer the date?

[brendy_éire]

Premium Tickets for the Cup Final - 30 euros - aren't available from Ticketmaster. Why is this - anyone know? Do they become available nearer the date?

All national team ST holders get bumped up to Premium (whether they like it or not), so there may not be any left.

[Straightstory]

OK - thanks for the reply. There was plenty of space there in previous years, so maybe this is a new thing?
Also - Anyone know which different sections the Dundalk/Cork fans are allocated?

[brendy_éire]

OK - thanks for the reply. There was plenty of space there in previous years, so maybe this is a new thing?

Nah, been going for years.
They did say that you've to register for your upgrade this season. No closong date, but maybe they'll release more tickets closer to the time?

[outspoken]

Last year I went to buy at the ground (or the van just down the Road to be precise) and they had no normal priced tickets left only premium level so I’d say youl get them no problem closer to the time

[Ezeikial]

It seems that McNulty has even more 'previous' as details of his gloating call after last years cup final emerge



Kenny was so angry that he spoke of the aftermath of the rivals’ meeting in the 2016 showpiece at the Aviva Stadium — something no one at Dundalk had previously been willing to talk about.

Last year, footage emerged of another McNulty incident at the same Soho venue, after the Cup final, which was mostly directed at Ireland’s media for not giving Cork City enough credit.

Yet it was a phone call to skipper Stephen O’Donnell from a City player — while the Dundalk team bus was still in the ground — that truly annoyed Dundalk.

Kenny said: “This isn’t a one-off. Ringing Stephen O’Donnell last year after the Cup final on the bus going back and shouting down the phone and taunting . . . Stephen is the most successful captain in the modern times.

“He carries himself with great dignity. He’s won five league titles himself and been in two Europa Leagues. The last thing on our own minds when we’ve won, we’ve won the league here three times, we’ve won at the Aviva, we’ve been celebrating with each other.
“Then to be ringing someone to taunt them within an hour of that and screaming down the phone, why would you even bother doing that?
“I think you would think of celebrating with your family and your team-mates and enjoying that experience.”

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1744455/stephen-kenny-tells-cork-city-to-show-some-respect-as-another-mark-mcnulty-video-causes-storm-ahead-of-fai-cup-final/

[El-Pietro]

That phone call was not from McNulty. It was a city fan. Childish, but clearly has your lot rattled. Kenny all but confirming the Sheppard transfer is disappointing from him. If I were Sheppard I wouldn't be happy with that, hes kept his head down this week and said nothing either way.

[micls]

That's absolutely hilarious. That phone call was from a city fan and it hasn't in any way been a secret. And Kennys off accusing players of it?! Hahaha

[oriel]

The real disappointing part in all of this is Cauldfield's response, (craic and banter was it?) that and the other idiot compere who was jumping up and down when McNulty made his remarks. Its really embarrassing, like honestly, why would you feel the need to mention your closest rivals when celebrating your first league title in 12 years?

[micls]

The real disappointing part in all of this is Cauldfield's response, (craic and banter was it?) that and the other idiot compere who was jumping up and down when McNulty made his remarks. Its really embarrassing, like honestly, why would you feel the need to mention your closest rivals when celebrating your first league title in 12 years?

Caulfield saying he hasn't seen it but he's not bothered is disappointing? Odd to say the least. He's treating it as what it is, not in any way a big deal.

You have a manager who's blaming players for things they had no part in. A player who's gone against what his manager wants to say he wants to leave a week before the cup final, and a manager who does similar and can't keep his agreement not to talk about the Shep situation. Why don't you worry about them and we'll worry about whether we're embarrassed about a City legend clearly joking and referring to last year by singing 3 lines about his rivals. I'll give you a clue, we're not.

If you can't possibly comprehend why you might think of, or mention, a team you've spent three years trying to catch and overtake and who you're playing next week in a cup final, while celebrating finally dethroning them I'm not sure what to say to you. A 3 line song in an entire night. Ffs like, surely you can manage to imagine why that would happen.

[micls]

Next you'll be telling us you don't understand why football fans sing mean songs about other teams.

[CityBoy]

Stephen Kenny is a walking hypocrite. Where was his respect when he was handing out multiple contracts in Derry?

[oriel]

If and it has been suggested, that Sheppard agreed to sign for Dundalk some weeks ago, as a free agent Dundalk (Bosman rule / pre contract) would have been entitled to announce it, but probably out of respect for their opponents decided not to go official. However I`m not fully convinced anything has been agreed yet. Its not fully clear, but it is looking quite likely now.

What is clear is this, what McNulty said was pure embarrassing, (for the second year running) and a few of his team mates looked to be of the same opinion too.

[sadloserkid]

As a neutral, Dundalk ARE being a bit precious and Mark McNulty IS a classless cretin. Now... you're both right.

[Crosshead]

Don't recall Dundalk's management, players, or supporters being as vocal about 'respect' when their thugs fired lighters and a golf ball in at City fans penned into the away end of Oriel within minutes of winning the title in 2014. Radio silence on that one. But please, continue to whinge about the bad man singing a naughty song.

[micls]

Respect for opponents? You must be joking. If this is Kennys version of respect for opponents, I'd hate to see disrespect.

The deal is done, and it was agreed not to mention it for obvious reasons. For the sake of the player most likely. It was leaked to the resident dundalk journo and then Kenny showed Shep exactly what he thought of him by making this comment at this point with a clear agenda. He could have easily said, no comment, and people would know the truth. He didn't. He wanted to stir the situation and made the call to do so. To try to claim its anything but pre cup final mind games is utter nonsense on your part.

What's clear, is that the only people that seem to find Nults embarrassing is Dundalk fans. Ye keep mentioning how embarrassing it is, and yet no one down here, or in the rest of the country, is finding it embarrassing. No one else is bothered in the slightest. Feel free to continue feeling embarrassed on his and our behalfs though.

Given Kenny has resorted to unfounded accusations against Mark now too, ye might want to save that embarrassment for the actions of some of ye're own.

[Mr A]

We have had some awful discussions on here but this McNulty thing is absolutely fecking dreadful. McNulty had a wee go. Who cares? Only the incredibly easily offended, or people trying to use it play some mind games or something like that. Do you expect players to like their fierce rivals? Come off it FFS.

No one is coming out of this well, but bloody hell.. is there LSD in the water supply in Dundalk or what?

[micls]

Don't recall Dundalk's management, players, or supporters being as vocal about 'respect' when their thugs fired lighters and a golf ball in at City fans penned into the away end of Oriel within minutes of winning the title in 2014. Radio silence on that one. But please, continue to whinge about the bad man singing a naughty song.

Imagine people being so bothered about they're rivals when they won the league? As if that night wasn't depressing enough, we had to put up with that. But Nults has apparently insulted their entire club, and everyone who's ever played for them with his song....

[micls]

We have had some awful discussions on here but this McNulty thing is absolutely fecking dreadful. McNulty had a wee go. Who cares? Only the incredibly easily offended, or people trying to use it play some mind games or something like that. Do you expect players to like their fierce rivals? Come off it FFS.

No one is coming out of this well, but bloody hell.. is there LSD in the water supply in Dundalk or what?

I won't lie, I'm finding it all great craic. You can't beat all this nonsense in the lead up to a cup final. Literally everything being blown out of proportion. Vemmulunds interview has made my week so far. It's all pretty hilarious. (I am easily amused though)

[mcgonigle]

This is great, in their rush to point out the hysteria in Dundalk, Cork have become quite hysterical!!

And why is it that anytime there is a bit of back and forth rivalry on this forum ahead of a big game people try to shut it down? Ok it's not exactly high quality intellectual debating but it's a bit of craic, it's building an atmosphere for Sunday. Is that not the whole point of a forum?

[White Horse]

Nothing like a controversy to help sell tickets and get press coverage.

In addition, there will be a lot of attention on the performances of McNulty and Sheppard on cup final day. That was probably the main reason for Kenny's comments.

[micls]

Nothing like a controversy to help sell tickets and get press coverage.

In addition, there will be a lot of attention on the performances of McNulty and Sheppard on cup final day. That was probably the main reason for Kenny's comments.

Of course it was. He knows what he's doing. Vemmulund too on the other side, if he starts. Do you think he's likely to play?

Game goes to penalties, Nults saves one and Shep steps up to try to win it......

[micls]

This is great, in their rush to point out the hysteria in Dundalk, Cork have become quite hysterical!!

And why is it that anytime there is a bit of back and forth rivalry on this forum ahead of a big game people try to shut it down? Ok it's not exactly high quality intellectual debating but it's a bit of craic, it's building an atmosphere for Sunday. Is that not the whole point of a forum?

Says the man using 2 exclamation marks...

[mcgonigle]

Says the man using 2 exclamation marks...

Touché, you lot are still more hysterical then we are though!

[dundalkfc10]

Of course it was. He knows what he's doing. Vemmulund too on the other side, if he starts. Do you think he's likely to play?

Game goes to penalties, Nults saves one and Shep steps up to try to win it......

Word around town is that Kenny is furious with him and he might not even be in the squad!

[White Horse]

Of course it was. He knows what he's doing. Vemmulund too on the other side, if he starts. Do you think he's likely to play?

Game goes to penalties, Nults saves one and Shep steps up to try to win it......

The Vemmelund thing is nothing. Everyone knew he wants to go back to Denmark. He will only play, if Massey is not fit enough to start.

[Mr A]

And why is it that anytime there is a bit of back and forth rivalry on this forum ahead of a big game people try to shut it down? Ok it's not exactly high quality intellectual debating but it's a bit of craic, it's building an atmosphere for Sunday. Is that not the whole point of a forum?

I'm not trying to shut it down. I'm telling you you need to be better at it. You're the top two clubs in the country and the poor standard of the back and forth reflects badly on all of us.

[Real ale Madrid]

Can I request a poll?

Who is more hysterical?




A: oriel
B : mcgonigle

[ArFella]

BREAKING NEWS: Fans of rival clubs have differing opinions on the actions of both clubs in lead up to cup final.

Get a grip lads, I think McNulty is a p***k all told, but if it was O'Donnell or Shields doing the same to Cork I would absolutely love it. Can we not talk about the actual football that's going to be played? Cork have had our number now in the last few meetings after not being able to beat us for a few years. I thought we would put that record to bed in our last meeting given Cork's poor form at the time but credit to them they came out of the blocks and bullied us and we were lucky to spoil the night for them in the end. I do think Dundalk tend to perform better on the bigger pitches (Aviva/Tallaght), but the space tends to also help Cork's more direct play also, I think Cork might struggle up front without Maguire's intelligent use of that space though, haven't seen Sadlier on the big stage so not sure how he'll do on the day (Hopefully quiet enough!). It's gonna be another tough 90 minutes (120 minutes based on recent history) but I think (hope) Dundalk have the quality and drive to win the midfield battle which is the key to winning the final!

[mcgonigle]

I'm not trying to shut it down. I'm telling you you need to be better at it. You're the top two clubs in the country and the poor standard of the back and forth reflects badly on all of us.

Fair point, can I suggest permitting insults and bad language?

[micls]

The Vemmelund thing is nothing. Everyone knew he wants to go back to Denmark. He will only play, if Massey is not fit enough to start.

I get trying to play it down, but saying it's nothing is nonsense. He specifically said he promised Kenny he'd say nothing but goes on to do so because 'he's waited long enough' . That had to annoy Kenny, it's certainly not bothering. The fact that people know he wants to go back to Denmark is irrelevant. We know Shep is off to Dundalk, but if he promised Caulfield not to talk about it before the final, and then gave an interview like this, I'd expect him to be dropped.

[micls]

BREAKING NEWS: Fans of rival clubs have differing opinions on the actions of both clubs in lead up to cup final.

Get a grip lads, I think McNulty is a p***k all told, but if it was O'Donnell or Shields doing the same to Cork I would absolutely love it. Can we not talk about the actual football that's going to be played? Cork have had our number now in the last few meetings after not being able to beat us for a few years. I thought we would put that record to bed in our last meeting given Cork's poor form at the time but credit to them they came out of the blocks and bullied us and we were lucky to spoil the night for them in the end. I do think Dundalk tend to perform better on the bigger pitches (Aviva/Tallaght), but the space tends to also help Cork's more direct play also, I think Cork might struggle up front without Maguire's intelligent use of that space though, haven't seen Sadlier on the big stage so not sure how he'll do on the day (Hopefully quiet enough!). It's gonna be another tough 90 minutes (120 minutes based on recent history) but I think (hope) Dundalk have the quality and drive to win the midfield battle which is the key to winning the final!

Let's be honest, the games themselves haven't exactly been riveting between the two of us... The other stuff is more interesting.

The big call for us will be whether Sadlier starts. He's our most dangerous player by a long way, but he didn't start the last time and we played very well. Big decision.