Limerick Division 1A 2009/10

[old git]

the reason why the limerick league rule book is not available is for situations like this where the ldmc can change rules to suit certain clubs. to the best of my knowledge there is a memember from star on the ldmc and he has huge say in matters at the meetings

that cannot be right if clubs have members on ldmc .. they should have no input / vote on any incidents / cases involving their club... but unfortunatly it seems to be quite common the more pull you have with ldmc the better the odds for a good outcome for your club..

[francesco_1]

fair enough ....if this was his intention i appologies...

check out www.claresoccer.net for ideas


That site is very good, compared to the Limerick one which is like a blog from the early 90's.

Lots of relavent information on it and the red cards section is a good idea.

[blueboy2]

Lads just to clear up a few points here Star cant object against the Balla player on a previous match.
The 48 hour objection rule is changed its now extended.
Im not sure but i think its illegal to print a players name thats suspended on the leagues website or on the local paper.
I hope the clare league got legal advice on this.

[allab]

Lads just to clear up a few points here Star cant object against the Balla player on a previous match.
The 48 hour objection rule is changed its now extended.
Im not sure but i think its illegal to print a players name thats suspended on the leagues website or on the local paper.
I hope the clare league got legal advice on this.

the player in question was illegal against star,

[blueboy2]

Well then its Stars league and Ballas mistake.

[allab]

Well then its Stars league and Ballas mistake.

ya and thats definate that he was illegal

[Goals4fun]

ya and thats definate that he was illegal

Thanks for the honesty allab....

the next question is, why did ye play an illegal player?

[Fairkop]

why are people having a go at star over this,all star have done is follow the rules,if balla broke them then fair play to star for exposing that.......do we not want to abide by the rules of the competitions we enter.yes its tough on shannon no doubt but people expecting star to take some high moral sporting ground on this are being totally unrealistic.

[francesco_1]

why are people having a go at star over this,all star have done is follow the rules,if balla broke them then fair play to star for exposing that.......do we not want to abide by the rules of the competitions we enter.yes its tough on shannon no doubt but people expecting star to take some high moral sporting ground on this are being totally unrealistic.

The information that was about led people to think that the player was ok, it was only till allab said so awhile ago that it was for a fact the player was illegal.

[abbeyvale]

Thats exactly what we assumed...clearly we were wrong...

Anyway im not gonna say anymore on it untill after our final tomorrow night, or i hear whats in the letter.

I'll be curious to hear what Abbeyvale has to say on the matter as he has been pretty honest about the situation so far.

Lads, The reason I havent commented on this issue to date is that I dont have the facts, I just heard that one of the Balla "B" players was illegal against us and that we put in an objection.

Now if he was illegal against us, then we have done nothing wrong in following the correct procedure, any club in town would have done the same, and anyone that says they wouldn't is a liar.

I agree its not an ideal way to win the league, but at the end of the day, rules are rules.

[torres09]

your correct the player in question didn't play against shannon, therefore he served his ban, did he not????????????????

[gaidin]

How do you know that? And therefore was he illegal in previous games that balla played?

[gaidin]

ya and thats definate that he was illegal

How do you that?

And therefore was he illegal in previous games that balla played?

[lfc at heart]

imo shannontown won the league, ye had the most points out of 22 games, Im not been flippant here but what I would do is buy a cup and put on it the real winners of D1A and and show pictures on your site, the ldmc seem to be making all the wrong decisions lately so why should ye suffer over it. a kind of a golden egg award for the ldmc

[gaidin]

imo shannontown won the league, ye had the most points out of 22 games, Im not been flippant here but what I would do is buy a cup and put on it the real winners of D1A and and show pictures on your site, the ldmc seem to be making all the wrong decisions lately so why should ye suffer over it. a kind of a golden egg award for the ldmc

At the end of the day if the player was illegal Star were wel within their rights to object. It just so happens they will win the league from it.

[allab]

How do you that?

And therefore was he illegal in previous games that balla played?
i know because i was up at the ldmc on monday night and spoke to a member of the balla commitee about the player and he told the council that the player did play against star that they forgot about his ban,

[gaidin]

i know because i was up at the ldmc on monday night and spoke to a member of the balla commitee about the player and he told the council that the player did play against star that they forgot about his ban,

They forgot? :)

Do you know if he was banned for previous games as well? Dromore could have a case to have them docked points.

[mrman!]

i know because i was up at the ldmc on monday night and spoke to a member of the balla commitee about the player and he told the council that the player did play against star that they forgot about his ban,

It's all coming out now....they forgot...l'll tell you exactly what happened. Hoe did star know they could put in an objection? Because the balla management told them they had a case. They balla players are too honest and would never have thrown the game. But the management screwed them by allowing a player to play who was suspended. It was an easy way of throwing the game. They walked into the LDMC on Monday hands in the air "we made a mistake we played an illegal player" disgraceful.

You know have a situation where balla will get a 50? Euro fine? And lose that one point and star win the league. Never mind Shannon town I feel sorry for balla having a mangagement eih the morals like that and no dignity.

[gaidin]

It's all coming out now....they forgot...l'll tell you exactly what happened. Hoe did star know they could put in an objection? Because the balla management told them they had a case. They balla players are too honest and would never have thrown the game. But the management screwed them by allowing a player to play who was suspended. It was an easy way of throwing the game. They walked into the LDMC on Monday hands in the air "we made a mistake we played an illegal player" disgraceful.

You know have a situation where balla will get a 50? Euro fine? And lose that one point and star win the league. Never mind Shannon town I feel sorry for balla having a mangagement eih the morals like that and no dignity.

Thats bad form if true. Why play an illegal player knowingly and then tell the opposition?

[twohalves]

It's all coming out now....they forgot...l'll tell you exactly what happened. Hoe did star know they could put in an objection? Because the balla management told them they had a case. They balla players are too honest and would never have thrown the game. But the management screwed them by allowing a player to play who was suspended. It was an easy way of throwing the game. They walked into the LDMC on Monday hands in the air "we made a mistake we played an illegal player" disgraceful.

You know have a situation where balla will get a 50? Euro fine? And lose that one point and star win the league. Never mind Shannon town I feel sorry for balla having a mangagement eih the morals like that and no dignity.
Abbeyvale.. IS THIS TRUE??

[abbeyvale]

Abbeyvale.. IS THIS TRUE??

The only thing the players were told is that Balla "B" played an illegal player against us, and that the club would be putting in an objection, like I said previously I dont have the facts about how the club received their info, or who gave it to them, so I cant comment.

[old git]

if shannon was in the same situation they would object as well, this is what the season 2009-2010 will be known for in limerick soccer objections not winners,lets hope next season don't turn out like this season

i hope so but don't think so .. now clubs have been made more aware of objections this season i personally think you will find more clubs objecting next season.. limerick league should be more open to all clubs , any objection should be posted on website showing outcome & reasons for all to see , also all clubs should be issued with officall rules as well.. if balla played illegall player for whatever reason they deserved to be punished but is a 50 euro fine and docked points enough punishement !!!..

[mulla]

if shannon was in the same situation they would object as well, this is what the season 2009-2010 will be known for in limerick soccer objections not winners,lets hope next season don't turn out like this season

hopefully it will encourage teams to actually field fully legal players.it is crazy the ammount of objections this year and they appear to all be from high profile games and clubs who should know better.
I'd say there will be a lot of teams carefully checking the match cards when they lose a game next season.
And shame on balla management for playing and illegal player and if thats not bad enough to tell the opposing team they had done so.

Maybe the best way around this is docking points at the start of the following season rather than a paltry fine

[Jofspring]

I agree with mulla. If anything this season will make teams be more cautious about how they go about their season. Cheating and playing illegal players has been going on for a long time. If the opposition don't send in a written complaint then there is nothing stopping teams playing illegal players. If you have nothing to hide then there is no problem in the other team checking the card.

[Lev Yashin]

It's all coming out now....they forgot...l'll tell you exactly what happened. Hoe did star know they could put in an objection? Because the balla management told them they had a case. They balla players are too honest and would never have thrown the game. But the management screwed them by allowing a player to play who was suspended. It was an easy way of throwing the game. They walked into the LDMC on Monday hands in the air "we made a mistake we played an illegal player" disgraceful.

You know have a situation where balla will get a 50? Euro fine? And lose that one point and star win the league. Never mind Shannon town I feel sorry for balla having a mangagement eih the morals like that and no dignity.

If that's true then it's shocking. I have always thought of balla as a club like us pretty honest and just trying to compete(and ya they have done that alot over the last few years) I can't believe that they would have someone in charge who would throw a game on purpose.....or am i being too níave??

[allab]

If that's true then it's shocking. I have always thought of balla as a club like us pretty honest and just trying to compete(and ya they have done that alot over the last few years) I can't believe that they would have someone in charge who would throw a game on purpose.....or am i being too níave??
dont know the ins and outs but i know the lads in charge and they wouldnt of allowed that to happen, its just a pity that its after costing shannon the league if there was any justice there should be a play off for the league but thats not going to happen as star have done nothing wrong either

[quasi]

i hope so but don't think so .. now clubs have been made more aware of objections this season i personally think you will find more clubs objecting next season.. limerick league should be more open to all clubs , any objection should be posted on website showing outcome & reasons for all to see , also all clubs should be issued with officall rules as well.. if balla played illegall player for whatever reason they deserved to be punished but is a 50 euro fine and docked points enough punishement !!!..

The whole player registry procedure, discipline notification & transparency of information etc etc in junior leagues is fundamentally flawed in that it is so easy to cheat or make punishable mistakes by playing non registered players (Park FC or Shannon Hibs)/playing illegal players intentionally or unintentionally (Pike & Balla), im sure we could all be here for days pointing out the flaws. My point is that junior leagues have been operating this way for a long time, this way of operating may have been fine in times gone by but judging on this season with the amount of admin errors by both clubs & leagues that resulted in all types of consequences, its time that Junior leagues seriously look at new ways of operating that will stop all this bulls**t ruining what is something we all do for fun & enjoyment.

There are amateur league operating templates that Irish Junior Leagues could adopt or at least test & i know that procedures would be found that would both suit the Junior Leagues, Clubs & Players & eradicate the errors that have occurred in a number of leagues & competitions this year. We've all seen what has been going on this season, if these types of things continue to happen it will have an adverse affect on football in our country, it'll cause lads to lose interest, possibly move to other sports or give up entirely & obviously the game will go into decline.

I know im being idealistic but I think we can all agree that something needs to be done, question is who is gonna do it

[daisycutter]

The whole player registry procedure, discipline notification & transparency of information etc etc in junior leagues is fundamentally flawed in that it is so easy to cheat or make punishable mistakes by playing non registered players (Park FC or Shannon Hibs)/playing illegal players intentionally or unintentionally (Pike & Balla), im sure we could all be here for days pointing out the flaws. My point is that junior leagues have been operating this way for a long time, this way of operating may have been fine in times gone by but judging on this season with the amount of admin errors by both clubs & leagues that resulted in all types of consequences, its time that Junior leagues seriously look at new ways of operating that will stop all this bulls**t ruining what is something we all do for fun & enjoyment.

There are amateur league operating templates that Irish Junior Leagues could adopt or at least test & i know that procedures would be found that would both suit the Junior Leagues, Clubs & Players & eradicate the errors that have occurred in a number of leagues & competitions this year. We've all seen what has been going on this season, if these types of things continue to happen it will have an adverse affect on football in our country, it'll cause lads to lose interest, possibly move to other sports or give up entirely & obviously the game will go into decline.

I know im being idealistic but I think we can all agree that something needs to be done, question is who is gonna do it

well it most certainly is not goin to be that shower up in abbottstown with their enormous salaries,especially mr delaney.

[blueboy2]

Have to agree with ye there Lads everything has to be out in the open for clubs to see.
I know a player who signed a b form for a club played a few matches for the Premier team then got a transfer signed only to be told that that there was no record of him being with the club in the first place.
In other words he dident need a transfer form.

[quasi]

well it most certainly is not goin to be that shower up in abbottstown with their enormous salaries,especially mr delaney.

I hear ya, but you never know, maybe someone in power thinks the same, that alot of aspects of the admin of junior football need to be updated. If i knew who such a person was i could direct them to what in my experience is a pretty much flawless & fully transparent operating template for an amateur football league. The template is there but the motivation of the people in power to make progress seemingly is not,.,,.,

[old git]

I agree with mulla. If anything this season will make teams be more cautious about how they go about their season. Cheating and playing illegal players has been going on for a long time. If the opposition don't send in a written complaint then there is nothing stopping teams playing illegal players. If you have nothing to hide then there is no problem in the other team checking the card.

checking the card won't help how do you know that name on card is the same person playing.. that would be my biggest worry , ok around town most players would know one another.. but a country team or shannon team it may be easier to play an illegall player / against them under signed players name .. as for cheating what about teams giving walkovers at end of season which affects relegation / promotion issues is this not as bad and league don't seem to want to do anything about it ..

[3 Heroes]

i know because i was up at the ldmc on monday night and spoke to a member of the balla commitee about the player and he told the council that the player did play against star that they forgot about his ban,
Surely most players know that if you get sent off; you automatically miss the next game, why did this player not mention this to the manager when the manager was naming his team

[gaidin]

Surely most players know that if you get sent off; you automatically miss the next game, why did this player not mention this to the manager when the manager was naming his team

Because he wasnt sent off in the game before. He was sent off a few weeks earlier and served his 1 game ban against shannon. He must have been given a further ban (2 or 3 games) which the club seemed to have ignored.

[allab]

Surely most players know that if you get sent off; you automatically miss the next game, why did this player not mention this to the manager when the manager was naming his team

dont know why he was banned maybe it was the 4 yellow card rule which is a joke?

[Goals4fun]

make punishable mistakes by playing non registered players (Park FC or Shannon Hibs)/playing illegal players intentionally or unintentionally (Pike & Balla), im sure we could all be here for days pointing out the flaws.

Park played an unregistered player unknowingly.....
they sent the registration away, waited and then played him. like they do with all players......

[quasi]

Park played an unregistered player unknowingly.....
they sent the registration away, waited and then played him. like they do with all players......

My point exactly, they sent the registration away, waited then played him, however for some reason the LDMC did not register the player, thus Park played an unregistered player unknowingly. It all comes down to a flawed operating structure that allows for these types of mistakes to occur.

[abbeyvale]

Final 1A Table.
(Max Pts) Team Pl W D L F A Pts
Star Rvs 22 14 5 3 59 28 47............Promoted/Champions
Shannon Town 22 14 4 4 49 25 46.......Promoted
Caherdavin Celtic 22 12 6 4 52 22 42
Summerville Rvs 22 10 7 5 35 19 37
Granville Rgs 22 10 5 7 33 25 35
Charleville 22 8 5 9 29 35 29
Janesboro B 22 8 4 10 37 52 28
Croom Utd 22 8 3 11 38 57 27
Ballynanty Rvs 22 7 5 10 37 36 26
Prospect Priory 22 7 2 13 22 35 23
Dromore Celtic 22 6 3 13 30 45 21...............Relegated
Herbertstown 22 3 1 18 21 53 10...............Relegated