Keith Fahey

[sadloserkid]

the last i heard the top LOI teams could offer higher wages to players than they would get in scotland hence the lack of players moving there.

Totally off topic so I apologise but tbh Pat's aside I doubt any LOI could offer higher wages than almost any of the SPL clubs. That our top clubs choose to offer higher wages is fairly evident but whether that can actually afford to is open to speculation.

[Dodge]

Think you're over estimating the SPL slk (see what I did there?)

A good friend of mine was offered a deal by a SPL club and it was less than his part time football wages and his full time "real" job. Couldn't accept it as he has a young family. Apart from the big two, and obvious "star" players, the SPL pays about the same wages as League 2 in England

[sadloserkid]

Think you're over estimating the SPL slk (see what I did there?)

I do. It was clever. :D


A good friend of mine was offered a deal by a SPL club and it was less than his part time football wages and his full time "real" job. Couldn't accept it as he has a young family. Apart from the big two, and obvious "star" players, the SPL pays about the same wages as League 2 in England

And I'm not disputing that at all, just suggesting that the wages we're offering here are sort of misleading because, in many cases, they're far beyond the clubs means to pay and there's no assurance the players will get them anyway. On the other hand, Gretna's inevitable and overdue implosion side, it's far less common to read about SPL players being asked to accept wage deferrals or dealing with bouncing checks.

On rereading my last post made no sense gramatically. Well it made sense but not the sense I wanted it to. Our wages here at the moment are definitely comparable to their SPL versions. I'd just question how viable and sustainable the Corks and Droghedas of this world are compared to say Dundee United or Aberdeen.

[pete]

Fahey to Hertha Berlin rumour means this thread can stay here now.

[Dodge]

And I'm not disputing that at all, just suggesting that the wages we're offering here are sort of misleading because, in many cases, they're far beyond the clubs means to pay and there's no assurance the players will get them anyway. On the other hand, Gretna's inevitable and overdue implosion side, it's far less common to read about SPL players being asked to accept wage deferrals or dealing with bouncing checks.

You'd hear more about the finances of Scottish clubs in the Scottish media though. Hibs, Hearts and both Dundees have been in big trouble recently. The wages my mate is on wouldn't be excessive.

[cavan_fan]

Fahey to Hertha Berlin rumour means this thread can stay here now.

Oh sod it, it's Friday so I'll bite.

This forum is (amongst other things) for past, present and potential Irish internationals. The fact that there isnt a thread for many eL players is a function of the fact that not many have fit into any of these categories. Fahey, it is argued, fits into the potential category so the thread is acceptable.

[paul_oshea]

how come when i go on an EL forum and say something along the same lines as pete has here i get an infraction (most of the time i dont mean to wind-up but it gets taken that way)and when pete comes on here and says things he gets away with it?! The usual reason is, that I have not offered a valid point to the thread in question, much the same as neither has petes point. It doesn't have any relevance to the discussion of the thread. much like this post actually :D

[Dodge]

If I could understand your post POS, I'm sure I'd argue with it :D

[paul_oshea]

If I could understand your post POS, I'm sure I'd argue with it :D

Ok what I meant was, I love the EL.


Pete said (para) "now that hertha are interested this thread can stay here", the point offered no insight into the discussion as had already been stated by yourself and someone else that they were, he only used it to have a go at those that say this forum is only for discussion about ROI(or quite possibly those that say say "where has the gremlin taken my thread to" :D), therefore he was just WUMing....

[Dodge]

Cheers for the claification POS. I agree (although he may ave ben reacting to the "why is my thread moved" crap thread)

[Brendan 82]

That is a great move for Fahey if he goes to the Bundesliga. He will be able to concentrate on his game a bit more there. If he went to England and spent a little time on the bench there would be people saying: "Ah see I told ya he was no good". He is better off away from such condescending voices. Plus I think there is a stigma attached to Irish players in England. In Germany he will be judged entirely on his footballing abilities. Hope he gets it and succeeds over there.

[third policeman]

. Plus I think there is a stigma attached to Irish players in England. In Germany he will be judged entirely on his footballing abilities. Hope he gets it and succeeds over there.



Dont think there is a "stigma" attached to Irish players, but I do think that a lot of the players that we are producing at the minute are better suited to continental leagues. I know this is a rather outrageous generalisation but a lot of the younger Irish players seem to be more technically gifted than the average English player. Stephen Ireland (apols) is an interesting casestudy. There were a lot of pundits and Man City fans suggesting that he was not physically up to the demands of the Premiership (a la McPhail, Andy Reid etc), but he is now coming into his own playing with the likes of Robinho. Think its a great move for Fahy and hope it might encourage more Irish players to think beyond England / Scotland.

[Dodge]

Don't think people should be talking as if he's already moved. Long, long way to go before then

[Docboy]

In reference to the whole EL players not being good enough to play for the national side, I don't think it's as simple an argument as that. To make yourself stand out, a player has to show it at a higher standard. By playing so well against a limited team from the Bundesliga, but Budesliga all the same, Fahey has brought some warranted attention on himself.

The issue with doing so in the EL is that it will always leave a doubt as to the standard of the opposition, with some fairly average players playing at that level. However, it must be said that the standard is certainly on the rise and it's heartening to see. Hopefully young players might start to see a career here as being just as viable as playing overseas.

While some Irish fans may dismiss the EL, I don't think there's the hatred for it there that some seem to think. I'd imagine most would love to see it flourishing with that European breakthrough appearing to draw nearer every year.

[Dodge]

While some Irish fans may dismiss the EL, I don't think there's the hatred for it there that some seem to think. I'd imagine most would love to see it flourishing with that European breakthrough appearing to draw nearer every year.

not enough to go to the games though. And this thread shows there is certainly a bit of ill will from some so called football fans. I agree with you BTW, that the vat, vast majority of Irish football fans wish nothing but good for Irish teams in european action. Similarly the vast majority of fans of Irish teams have an interest in the national side, and foreign football, but some here try and make out that they're only interested in the league. Sure there are some loons, but the majority are stable enough...

[paul_oshea]

do ye think that its not a good thing for a young fella to go over to England or wherever learn with the best and from the best, and then come back home and play in the league? I mean they are getting the best possible start to their career and then are bringing that back to the EL. Do some not think that the likes of fahey and those who have come back have benefitted and made better hte league.

BTW, I remember ppl saying JPK(and i remember ppl saying last year he was having a good season at Bohs) left liverpool for being homesick etc, much like what ye have said about fahey. How has he progressed since he came home? Not at all having a go, but do some disguise "homesick" being the reason when sometimes they just weren't good enough?

[Drumcondra 69er]

In reference to the whole EL players not being good enough to play for the national side, I don't think it's as simple an argument as that. To make yourself stand out, a player has to show it at a higher standard. By playing so well against a limited team from the Bundesliga, but Budesliga all the same, Fahey has brought some warranted attention on himself.

The issue with doing so in the EL is that it will always leave a doubt as to the standard of the opposition, with some fairly average players playing at that level. However, it must be said that the standard is certainly on the rise and it's heartening to see. Hopefully young players might start to see a career here as being just as viable as playing overseas.

While some Irish fans may dismiss the EL, I don't think there's the hatred for it there that some seem to think. I'd imagine most would love to see it flourishing with that European breakthrough appearing to draw nearer every year.

Bohs in the CL next year! New qualification structure gives us a fighting chance....!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League_2009%E2%80%9310

I'm a big EL fan but a lot of the fans can be very precious about players being 'ignored' despite their ability. Fact is it's not just the EL that players are ignored from. Look at the SPL, unless you're playing for the big 2 in Europe you're unlikely to get noticed, Noel Hunt done very well up there and wasn't getting a look in for example. For right or wrong if you're playing teams of a poor standard week in week out (and the bulk of the teams in the EL are very average, the top teams could probably survive in the Championship but the bottom half would struggle in League 1 or even League 2) then you won't get picked. Same with the SPL to a degree.

I'd love to see Fahey (or a couple of the current Bohs squad) get a call up but I won't be holding my breath.

[Dodge]

POS, no one disputes that the best players from Ireland need to go to bigger clubs abroad to nurture their talents BUT the problem is the 2nd or 3rd level of players are going off to play for Luton's reserve team, and the vast, vast majority come home and do nothing. Thats not good for the lads, and its not good for Irish football. The other point is that some people mature later in life than others. Don't forget that 2 of Ireland's greatest ever players played in the LOI before moving to England (McGrath and Keane) so that alone should show that the LOI isn't the wasteground some make out.

JPK is a waster. Drinks cans in a field on a regular basis. I've seen him myself. He wasn't let go by Liverpool, he decided he'd rather be at home with his mates.

[charliesboots]

JPK is a waster. Drinks cans in a field on a regular basis. I've seen him myself. He wasn't let go by Liverpool, he decided he'd rather be at home with his mates.

Yep, Fahey was homesick too - I remember Brady camping in his house when he was 16 trying to persuade him to stay.

He also came to Pats on a FAS course "on loan" from Villa when he had a year left on his contract but wouldn't go back.

[green army]

fahey should be called up to the irish squad. he has been a joy to watch all season. would prefer if he stayed but if he went then i would hope that it would be hertha rather than some sh!te championship team.

If ronaldo or a brazillan scored the goal in the link below, i would how many zeros it would add to his value.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPv-OIpsI1s

[Colbert Report]

fahey should be called up to the irish squad. he has been a joy to watch all season. would prefer if he stayed but if he went then i would hope that it would be hertha rather than some sh!te championship team.

If ronaldo or a brazillan scored the goal in the link below, i would how many zeros it would add to his value.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPv-OIpsI1s

Poor goalkeeping is all that was. He wouldn't get a shot off like that playing over in England.

[irishultra]

:rolleyes:

If you want to go down that road, then you could argue nearly every long range shot is like that.

[Saint_Charlie]

Poor goalkeeping is all that was. He wouldn't get a shot off like that playing over in England.

Yes. You're dead right there.

That keeper is woeful...

[SkStu]

Poor goalkeeping is all that was. He wouldn't get a shot off like that playing over in England.

:rolleyes:
please, if that was Robbie Keane or someone else, everyone here would be raving about it. Fair enough, CR, the kid has no talent and is just lucky. He shouldnt even be discussed. Satisfied now?

[sadloserkid]

He wouldn't get a shot off like that playing over in England.

Yeah you're dead right. Elano's goal against Arsenal never happened. :rolleyes:

[irishultra]

im actually dissapointed by colbert report. thought he was smarter than that.

[Closed Account]

im actually dissapointed by colbert report. thought he was smarter than that.
im actually dissapointed by irishultra. thought he was smarter than that.

It was a windup. The shot wasn't in England so it doesn't count.

[kev mcq]

Poor goalkeeping is all that was. He wouldn't get a shot off like that playing over in England.

What a retarded post. Are you not allowed hit long range shots in England if the keeper is off his line?:rolleyes:

[livehead1]

It was a quality strike but perhaps the point is trying to be made that he wouldn't get the chance to strike it in the first place at a higher level. However, it was a good goal, and he certainly looks a decent footballer from all the youtube clips.

[irishultra]

but in serie a they don't rush and hurry, does that mean the loi has better quality football than the english league where its 100 miles an hour? i think so.

[gustavo]

True enough , you never see long range goals at higher level football

[L37Ultra]

Poor goalkeeping is all that was. He wouldn't get a shot off like that playing over in England.

Of ya course not!! :rolleyes:

All poor goalkeeping in this clip.

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[Saint_Charlie]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/fireworks-at -richmond-bohs-end-saintsrsquo-fai-cup-dream-1510128.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/fireworks-at-richmond-bohs-end-saintsrsquo-fai-cup-dream-1510128.html)


Saturday October 25 2008

OWEN HEARY (above) dodged the fireworks and inspired Bohemians to an emphatic FAI Ford Cup semi-final win over Dublin rivals St Patrick's Athletic.

The Gypsies captain was on target as the visitors at Richmond Park scored three first-half goals to set up a comfortable victory and ensure that the Saints finish this season with nothing.

Their misery will be compounded by fines as a result of the flares thrown onto the pitch by Saints fans, but some significant financial compensation is on the way for the Inchicore club with West Ham ready to take a punt on midfielder Keith Fahey.

Representatives from the Premier League side were present last night and, after monitoring the 25-year-old midfielder in recent weeks, they are understood to be ready to complete a deal to bring him to London after being impressed by his display.

Fahey hit the target in the second half, but it was not enough to inspire a comeback for the Saints.

[Qwerty]

I wish a Championship club would in for Fahey rather than West Ham, he will just rot in the reserves like Clive Delaney. Not a good move.

[gspain]

I wish a Championship club would in for Fahey rather than West Ham, he will just rot in the reserves like Clive Delaney. Not a good move.

Hertha Berlin are a top 6 club in Germany. I would assume that is a lot better than West Ham. He certainly did not look out of place against them.

There are a lot of quality players in the premiership. Many are much better than those in our league but there are some mediocre ones as well.

[pete]

I don't see any evidence that West Ham are about to bid for Fahey. Scouts watch players all the time. When the manager comes to watch him only then will it become newsworthy.

[Qwerty]

Hertha Berlin are a top 6 club in Germany. I would assume that is a lot better than West Ham. He certainly did not look out of place against them.

There are a lot of quality players in the premiership. Many are much better than those in our league but there are some mediocre ones as well.


No, I wouldn't say Hetha are better than Wast Ham, the Bundesliga is pretty poor. Playing well in a cup game isn't the same as playing well week in week out in the EPL. He won't make it at West ham or any other EPL team and you can quote me on that, if he could go to a Championship team and establish himself then maybe he could make the step up.

[Dyl10]

I wish a Championship club would in for Fahey rather than West Ham, he will just rot in the reserves like Clive Delaney. Not a good move.

Clive Delaney!!!:eek:

[irishultra]

No, I wouldn't say Hetha are better than Wast Ham, the Bundesliga is pretty poor. Playing well in a cup game isn't the same as playing well week in week out in the EPL. He won't make it at West ham or any other EPL team and you can quote me on that, if he could go to a Championship team and establish himself then maybe he could make the step up.

Bundesliga is not poor at all. Hertha Berlin would probably be better in a practical sense than West Ham. You think of Ashton and players like that and only cause' you know them assume they would be better.

Even if Fahey failed in the English League, that would not mean he hasn't got anything to offer.

We can obviously see he is a brilliant passer of the ball and always demands the ball in all situations, this won't change because he moves to (what I presume) in your mind is super duper England.

Fahey should try to stay away from England and give it a shot somewhere else in Europe. His style would be much more suited to there.

Fahey should be in the Irish team, because what he probably lacks at a real top level is consistency but in Int. Football that isn't as important with the matches being every so often.

[Saint_Charlie]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/eircom-league/saints-to-net-8364600000-bonanza-from-faheys-birmingham-move-1554720.html

Looks like he's gone to Birmingham.

[paul_oshea]

surely they could have got 500k up front for him?

I think Brum could be a good move for him, like kevin doyle, not being thrown into the deep end straight away. He has a good chance to play with a decent team and a team that could well be back in the premier league next year. The initial fee seems a bit low. The star player going for that surely isn't enough.

[irishultra]

i actually think the fee is suitable. i'm a fan of fahey and wanted him in the ireland squad before but there are no guarentees of a player with his track record i.e a loose cannon being a success.

good move and is actually a true playmaker.

[lionelhutz]

Was delighted to hear bout this move. Could be brilliant for Ireland if he establishes himself considering how stuck we are for midfielders.

And yes, I know if he's considered a playmaker in centre mid he might not fit into Traps system but surely his athletic style would be very suited to his system - kind of like Stephen Reid.

[Dr. Ogba]

Bundesliga is not poor at all. Hertha Berlin would probably be better in a practical sense than West Ham. You think of Ashton and players like that and only cause' you know them assume they would be better.

Even if Fahey failed in the English League, that would not mean he hasn't got anything to offer.

We can obviously see he is a brilliant passer of the ball and always demands the ball in all situations, this won't change because he moves to (what I presume) in your mind is super duper England.

Fahey should try to stay away from England and give it a shot somewhere else in Europe. His style would be much more suited to there.

Fahey should be in the Irish team, because what he probably lacks at a real top level is consistency but in Int. Football that isn't as important with the matches being every so often.


totally agree with this and i wouldn't limit this opinion to Fahey only....think there's quite a few Irish lads over the years that could've benefitted in going to Europe ahead of the English leagues....just doesn't seem to happen though for whatever reason....

[Stuttgart88]

He should definitely be in the Ireland squad now.

[stiffler]

I dont think a move to an English championship side should mean that someone is 'definitely' in the Irish squad.

If he performs better than the other Irish championship level midfielders for the course of the season then he should be in contention.

[NeilMcD]

Can't believe you took the bait.

[TonyD]

He should definitely be in the Ireland squad now.

Well, now he's qualified like. ;)

[holidaysong]

So now we sit back and wait for his Birmingham debut and the inevitable "Who it this Fahy (sic) chap?" thread that will follow...

[irishfan86]

Does he have to wait until January to play with them, or can he start playing as soon as they do the deal?