Keith Fahey

[Dodge]

In the forum in the past there were calls for various players when plying their trade in the EL to be playing for Ireland, merited maybe, maybe not, but most realistic candidates got their chances and didnt prove it when they got it.
Different people though. Once agin showing you lump all LOI fans together. Some think some players should eb in, others disagree. No one loves Fahey as a player more than me and I don't think he should be in the Ireland squad

Oh and as for "giving their chance", only 2 LOI players have been at international level in the last 20 years.

[paul_oshea]

Different people though. Once agin showing you lump all LOI fans together. Some think some players should eb in, others disagree. No one loves Fahey as a player more than me and I don't think he should be in the Ireland squad

Oh and as for "giving their chance", only 2 LOI players have been at international level in the last 20 years.

where did i say "giving their chance", ill slap my wrist if i did, or if i used "then" instead of "than", etc.

Dodge, you argue for the EL as a whole and rightly so, but you also argue based on you not wanting to be "lumped" in with other EL posters who have unrelastic expectations that should be managed expectations, I wouldn't consider every single poster to be the same, but the majority ( or maybe just the loudest )of threads on the forum that are about players that should be playing or given a chance, are very active.

[ifk101]

Paul,

There is a long list of Premiership and Championship players that got their chance at international level and "didn't make it". Where you play your football obviously is an important factor in determining whether a particular player is international standard or not, but disregarding the future prospects of LOI players simply because they play in Ireland and what happened in the past is foolish.

I know you have limited knowledge of domestic football (and that you're really a GAA fan) so I'll go easy on you. But FYI quite a significant number of our U21, B and senior squads are/ or have been with LOI clubs.

[paul_oshea]

There is a long list of Premiership and Championship players that got their chance at international level and "didn't make it". Where you play your football obviously is an important factor in determining whether a particular player is international standard or not, but disregarding the future prospects of LOI players simply because they play in Ireland and what happened in the past is foolish.

of course.

Ok thanks IFk101, much appreciated.

I'm really a ping pong fan actually.

[Razors left peg]

Fahey is a very good player, but I didnt actually think he was Pats best player in the first leg, thought that Dempsey played better than him on the day. Looking forward to seeing him again tonight though against some top opposition. The problem is though that he isnt playing against this standard of player regularly enough to be regarded as a realistic option to make the national team at the moment.There is a big step up from playing Galway United, Finn Harps, Cobh, Sligo,UCD etc to playing Italy or Bulgaria.

[Ceirtlis]

So? Did you count how any of them were penalties? He was a good LOI player but there's no way he was ever going to be good enough for a club the size of Sunderland.

2 were penalties. You should be able to figure out why I say he was a top eircom league player based on what i said in the previous post.

[gaffer 2008]

just to throw another name in there what about Sean Dillon at least getting into the B squad considering Finnan and Kelly are doubts

[gustavo]

Secondly, I would take either of the Reid's over Fahey anyday. They have played at the highest level. Fahey on the otherhand looks good in what is basically a League 2 team.

Do you have any other frame of reference other than English football , its quite grating really

[gaffer 2008]

BTW i suppose everybody remembers Wes Houlihan's performances in Europe for Shels. He has still had to prove himself in England with Blackpool and Norwich before being considered. Unfortunately the same has to apply for Keith Fahey. Consistant performances at a higher level are the only way to merit an international level. By the way i wouldn't consider Blackpool a higher level but he put himself in the shop window by playing there. One or two performances are not enough to merit an international call up im sorry.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Do you have any other frame of reference other than English football , its quite grating really
In fairness the other two play in England so that is the best way of making a comparison between Fahey and them.

[Dodge]

One or two performances are not enough to merit an international call up im sorry.

Don't think anyone would say it was. However players from the lower British leagues have won caps whikle far superior home based players have not. Joe O'Cearuill is a good example


Dodge, you argue for the EL as a whole and rightly so, but you also argue based on you not wanting to be "lumped" in with other EL posters who have unrelastic expectations that should be managed expectations, I wouldn't consider every single poster to be the same, but the majority ( or maybe just the loudest )of threads on the forum that are about players that should be playing or given a chance, are very active.
Mostly active with an even number of posters saying that such and such isn't good enough. I asked you to point out these vast hordes of posters who championed O'Donovan and Fahey and you couldn't. I don't argue for the LOI as a whole on any footballing basis. Its far inferior to the Premiership. IMO no player is "international" standard. Hoever so are a huge amount of players that have been in previous (and recent) Irish squads.

[finnpark]

The last time a LOI played for Eire was Gamble and Staunton put him on the right wing :rolleyes: . He obviously knew nothing about him.

Fahy is too good for Eire imo. Trap doesn't want attacking midfielders. He just want 2 wingers and 2 strikers to run into the box. Where would Fahy paly? Where would Andy reid play?

Fahy is certainly good enough to play in any attacking type side at any level, Brazil for example :D

[adamcarr]

In the same way as many on here were stating that Roy O'Donovan was a fine player and the best by a distance in the EPL last season? Yes that same Roy O'Donovan who can't even get into the first 11 for Dundee United and hasn't scored a single goals for them in nearly a dozen appearances.

Or possibly as fine a player as Alan Bennett? Yes that same Alan Bennett who was never good enough to get break into the Reading first team and was quickly loaned out to lower league teams where he still looked shockingly bad.

Or maybe as fine as Jason Byrne? Yes that same Jason Byrne that couldn't break into the Cardiff first team and was promptly sold on at the first opportunity.

Perhaps even as fine as Dave Mooney. Yes that same Dave Mooney, ah f**k it you know the rest.

The only quality player that has come from the EPL in recent years is Doyle. The rest have in rare cases at best been very average (Murphy) or more generally been complete sh*t (see above).

Keith Fahey me balls.


First of all I don't think any LOI player is good enough for the senior squad at present but your post is extremely inaccurate. Roy O'Donovanm started every week for Dundee Utd and got injured, he made his comeback last weekend off the bench.

Alan Bennett is not a premiership player, he did however do very well at Soton, there fans raved about him but Coppell refused to leave him extend his loan. He then never played him and shipped him out to his old club Brentford where he has been top quality according to their fans.

Jason Byrne is a has-been, his best years were long before he went to Cardiff, the fact that he can't get off Bohs bench backs this up.

Dave Mooney recently scored a hat-trick for Reading reserves and has played twice in their League Cup campaign, he hasn't been given an opportunity yet.

[cavan_fan]

We could argue about Mick, Kerr and Stan but I'm fairly confident that if he is good enough then one of the greatest managers in the world over the last 20 years will pick him. I'd value his opinion over everyone on here (including me!)

[Bohemian1890]

IMO Keith Fahy was the best player on the park against Hertha Berlin. We all know that the LOI is not English Premiership or Championship standard but that doesn't necessarily mean that certain LOI players are not capable of playing at a higher standard.

With regards to the upcoming B match - we know that Potter, Rowlands, Gibson are not international standard. Why not give a player such as Keith Fahy the chance to show what he can do instead of giving players that aren't good enough another chance to confirm this? Or do we need Owen Coyle and Burnley to give their approval first?
Stay away:omid season they were last year,when we played them in a friendly.

Bohs were pre season,Burnley had one shot the whole game,and were crap,we were all over them.

Anybody who thinks they are better than a top LOI side is an:o

[Bohemian1890]

I would have McCann in well before the likes of Fahey as would most sane people.

Consider the choices, a 25 year old never will be who was deemed surplus to requirements at both Arsenal and Aston Villa who is unlikely to improve as he should now be close to this peak or a just turned 21 year old who is lighting up the Championship in England thus far with his appearances and could easily be playing in the Premiership by this stage next year.

MMmmmm let me see. Decisions, decisions.

Is this the same Macann that played against us last year??:o

I am not even sure he started the game,but he played at some stage,as i remember him trying to control the ball,yes trying,he made a mess of it:)

[Bohemian1890]

First of all, I seem to remember you lauding O'Cearuill when he first joined Pat's. It doesn't even look he will even have a career in football now.

Secondly, I would take either of the Reid's over Fahey anyday. They have played at the highest level. Fahey on the otherhand looks good in what is basically a League 2 team.

Reminds me of when Cork fans wanted Joe Gamble playing for Ireland. He got his chance, but didn't have the quality in the end.

Fahey is playing in Europe is Andy Reid:o

No he will be sitting at home watching him(he said he supports pats),eating burgers,chips and a pizza,comfort eating.


He will be saying why cant i trap a ball like Keith??How does Keith do it??well Andy,it helps if you can see your feet.

[Carrigaline]

Fahey is playing in Europe is Andy Reid:o

The amateur players of FC Vaduz, F91 Dudelange and Sant Julia have also played European football this season.


No he will be sitting at home watching him(he said he supports pats),eating burgers,chips and a pizza,comfort eating.


He will be saying why cant i trap a ball like Keith??How does Keith do it??well Andy,it helps if you can see your feet.
I admit, this is only about the 3rd or 4th time I've ever seen Fahey, but his passing/crossing and set peices have been brutal this evening.

[eirebhoy]

Fahey just hits the post with an excellent left footed shot! Then an excellent pass. And another superb long pass to leave Guy one on one. All in about 90 seconds.

Fahey is a class act. Best player on the pitch in Germany and again tonight. He looks to have more class than any of the Hertha players. To say he's a better passer than Reid though is going ott. Reid is one of the most gifted passers ever to come out of Ireland imo.

We just have to see Fahey play consistently at a higher level. Massimo Donati would look bloody class playing for a Pats, Bohs, Hibs or Aberdeen. A big fish in a small pond. At Celtic he's just out of his depth too often and lacks confidence.

[rambler14]

I'd love to see him have a chance in a green jersey. He plays with no fear which is something i'd like to see more Irish players do.
Look at him in the match now he's nutmegged Voronin and that Brazilian dude......Caneiro? about 3 times each.

[eirebhoy]

I'd love to see him have a chance in a green jersey. He plays with no fear whic is something i'd like to see more Irish players do.
Playing with no fear for Pats. His confidence couldn't be higher. It's a different story playing for Ireland.

[pete]

For those of you who don't know much about him or doubt his talent, he'll be live on RTE2 from 5 this evening.


Why is this in Ireland section? Is he moving to the SPL?

:confused:

[Fergie's Son]

I don't understand why we keep having this argument.

Let's put subjectivity to one side. That is, arguing over who we think is a good player or not.

Let's instead look to objective criteria, In this case it's quite simple, money.

Put another way, in an open market like professional football a player is usually paid what he is worth. Mistakes and judgment errors aside, generally water finds it's own level and the salary reflects that.

People who make their actual living in the game currently do not rate Fahey at a level where they are willing to spend significant sums paying him. As such, under objective criteria a player who is making 10k a week versus one who is making 1k a week is most likely to be the better player.

So the market will dictate how good Fahey is. At the moment, he's unlikely to of a good enough standard to play at international level. Feelings aside, objectively I am more than likely to be right.

[SkStu]

did you watch the game? have you seen him play? what f*cks with my head is how certain posters in here make judgement calls in complete confidence without ever having seen a player play. The mind boggles. The shining lights of the league deserve a look in a B team at least.

I honestly dont think that we deserve any success as a soccer nation. Crowd reports say 4-5k turned up. Thats just a disgrace. No other way to put it - its an absolute disgrace. We are not a soccer nation and we get what we deserve. I want success for Bohemians, the domestic game and the international team. Most people here want success for english club teams and the Irish international team and would love to see Ireland beat England. Thats just weird. WEIRD.

[Bohemian1890]

The amateur players of FC Vaduz, F91 Dudelange and Sant Julia have also played European football this season.

I admit, this is only about the 3rd or 4th time I've ever seen Fahey, but his passing/crossing and set peices have been brutal this evening.
:eek:You dont know much about football then,he ran the show and his passing was first class.

I feel sorry for people like you,who actually think they know something about football,but when it comes down to it,you dont know much about football at all.

[Bohemian1890]

Fahey just hits the post with an excellent left footed shot! Then an excellent pass. And another superb long pass to leave Guy one on one. All in about 90 seconds.

Fahey is a class act. Best player on the pitch in Germany and again tonight. He looks to have more class than any of the Hertha players. To say he's a better passer than Reid though is going ott. Reid is one of the most gifted passers ever to come out of Ireland imo.

We just have to see Fahey play consistently at a higher level. Massimo Donati would look bloody class playing for a Pats, Bohs, Hibs or Aberdeen. A big fish in a small pond. At Celtic he's just out of his depth too often and lacks confidence.
Donati wouldn't get a game for us.But at least you have some football knowledge unlike the one who said Fahey passing is poor,it so stupid it is not even funny.

I am not just saying that about Donati either,i have seen him play, a few times,last against Aberdeen last year where he scored but did nothing else in the game.

[Drumcondra 69er]

did you watch the game? have you seen him play? what f*cks with my head is how certain posters in here make judgement calls in complete confidence without ever having seen a player play. The mind boggles. The shining lights of the league deserve a look in a B team at least.

I honestly dont think that we deserve any success as a soccer nation. Crowd reports say 4-5k turned up. Thats just a disgrace. No other way to put it - its an absolute disgrace. We are not a soccer nation and we get what we deserve. I want success for Bohemians, the domestic game and the international team. Most people here want success for english club teams and the Irish international team and would love to see Ireland beat England. Thats just weird. WEIRD.

Really? What would you have expected? It was a first round UEFA Cup game on a miserable night with a kick off at the height of rush hour. Were you there? I couldn't get off work early and I'd imagine it was the same for a lot f people. There was only 13,000 in Berlin, does that mean Germany's not a soccer nation? Or deserves no success. Look at the crowds this stage of the UEFA attracts across the continent. Had the game been on a Saturday there'd have been a lot more people at it, I wouldn't be using the attendance today as any criteria.

How many do you reckon we'd have got at Dalyer if it had been Bohs at 5 on a Tuesday night? You're not gonna attract sod all casual fans or even LOI fans from other clubs bar students at that time, no way.

[Bohemian1890]

Why is this in Ireland section? Is he moving to the SPL?

:confused:
I doubt it the only teams in the SPL who could afford him would be Celtic and Rangers,mind you if Celtic spend 4.4million on Brown:oanything is possible.

[TheBoss]

His performance today was superb, but its not the first time he has produced this, I hope that someone was there from the Ireland setup, he has to be involved.

[irishultra]

YoungIrish is an idiot tbh. I really don't like football fans like him.

Well played by Fahey today. Some sloppy passes but at times his vision and passing was sublime. He really knows what he's doing out there, and looked to me the player with the most quality on the pitch.

I will say one thing Hertha Berlin are overrated. Bohemian said 'better players than what he named(irish players) that was bull**** really. I'd say none of that midfield would make the Irish national team.

I'd love to see Fahey in the green jersey..and he should have been.

[SkStu]

Really? What would you have expected? It was a first round UEFA Cup game on a miserable night with a kick off at the height of rush hour. Were you there? I couldn't get off work early and I'd imagine it was the same for a lot f people. There was only 13,000 in Berlin, does that mean Germany's not a soccer nation? Or deserves no success. Look at the crowds this stage of the UEFA attracts across the continent. Had the game been on a Saturday there'd have been a lot more people at it, I wouldn't be using the attendance today as any criteria.

How many do you reckon we'd have got at Dalyer if it had been Bohs at 5 on a Tuesday night? You're not gonna attract sod all casual fans or even LOI fans from other clubs bar students at that time, no way.

fair enough - i forgot about the early start (i wasnt there as i live in Canada at the moment) but the general point stands. If we dont support the domestic game in all its forms, we dont deserve (and probably wont have) any international success.

As a fan of the league, im just so frustrated at the lack of interest from supposed soccer fans in this country. It makes no sense. If you love the game you should want to go to as many matches as you can and experience the game and the atmosphere and the craic and the rivalry and the euphoria and the heartache. Its unbeatable.

And the product is good enough that people should be coming, regardless of what the naysayers believe.

[Bohemian1890]

I don't understand why we keep having this argument.

Let's put subjectivity to one side. That is, arguing over who we think is a good player or not.

Let's instead look to objective criteria, In this case it's quite simple, money.

Put another way, in an open market like professional football a player is usually paid what he is worth. Mistakes and judgment errors aside, generally water finds it's own level and the salary reflects that.

People who make their actual living in the game currently do not rate Fahey at a level where they are willing to spend significant sums paying him. As such, under objective criteria a player who is making 10k a week versus one who is making 1k a week is most likely to be the better player.

So the market will dictate how good Fahey is. At the moment, he's unlikely to of a good enough standard to play at international level. Feelings aside, objectively I am more than likely to be right.
:o:confused::rolleyes:

You have a clear lack of knowledge on football(its coming out in this thread who actually knows anything about football),if you think money decides whether your a good player.Problem with football is their is too much money how can Bramble get 30k??,Oshea gets more than Chellini(sp?) at Juve is he better than him??

[robertob]

Brilliant Fahey tonight! He was brilliant again on the UEFA Cup level. He is so skilled, plays fantastic passes and has so much power. I love it to watch him, I love his kind of football. I think he could play on a very high level and think he did good advertising for himself today once again. A player like Fahey must get a chance in Nationalteam in my mind.

[Bohemian1890]

YoungIrish is an idiot tbh. I really don't like football fans like him.

Well played by Fahey today. Some sloppy passes but at times his vision and passing was sublime. He really knows what he's doing out there, and looked to me the player with the most quality on the pitch.

I will say one thing Hertha Berlin are overrated. Bohemian said 'better players than what he named(irish players) that was bull**** really. I'd say none of that midfield would make the Irish national team.

I'd love to see Fahey in the green jersey..and he should have been.
Are you for real he named players playing youth football FFS,your one to call someone an idiot:o

[irishultra]

Brilliant Fahey tonight! He was brilliant again on the UEFA Cup level. He is so skilled, plays fantastic passes and has so much power. I love it to watch him, I love his kind of football. I think he could play on a very high level and think he did good advertising for himself today once again. A player like Fahey must get a chance in Nationalteam in my mind.

Says a german guy who I think is a bit more used to actually watching good footballers than some of the clowns on here.

That is a man who knows what he's talking about.

[irishultra]

Are you for real he named players playing youth football FFS,your one to call someone an idiot:o

Andy Reid a youth player?

[Fergie's Son]

:o:confused::rolleyes:

You have a clear lack of knowledge on football(its coming out in this thread who actually knows anything about football),if you think money decides whether your a good player.Problem with football is their is too much money how can Bramble get 30k??,Oshea gets more than Chellini(sp?) at Juve is he better than him??

I'm simply pointing out existing objective criteria we can use to judge players.
While there are inefficiencies in the football market for the most part they are very good indicators of the quality of the player. If Fahey is good enough then he'll find his level which will be at a larger club where he can maximize his potential (read salary). Otherwise, the chances are he isn't good enough for international levek above players playing at significantly higher levels than he is.

[Bohemian1890]

Andy Reid a youth player?
I left out "some" players,Keith Treacy how many senior games has he played???

[Bohemian1890]

I'm simply pointing out existing objective criteria we can use to judge players.
While there are inefficiencies in the football market for the most part they are very good indicators of the quality of the player. If Fahey is good enough then he'll find his level which will be at a larger club where he can maximize his potential (read salary). Otherwise, the chances are he isn't good enough for international levek above players playing at significantly higher levels than he is.


You can never use money to judge a player,every real football fan can tell you that.I could list 10 players if you want me to?? who cost 5 million or more,and earned thousands a week,and i dont know what happened to them.Do you want me to name them??

[Supreme feet]

Fahey was excellent tonight, in fairness, he didn't do a lot wrong, apart from the set-pieces in the first half, which were arguably hindered by the wind.

However, the argument against Fahey playing international football was also there for all to see - some of Fahey's team-mates looked very, very limited, and technically clumsy, particularly up front and on the flanks.

It's hard to judge what Fahey could do at a higher level, and like Aiden McGeady, his overall ability will be under debate until he is playing consistently at a higher level. By the way, I don't support any British teams and I don't take any pleasure in criticising my home league. I enjoy going to matches, the atmosphere is usually good, and the games are generally entertaining. But as Euro 2008 showed, international football is a world apart in terms of pace, strength, fitness, technique, tactics and finishing. And the EL is not ideal preparation for this stage, not by far.

[Bohemian1890]

Fahey was excellent tonight, in fairness, he didn't do a lot wrong, apart from the set-pieces in the first half, which were arguably hindered by the wind.

However, the argument against Fahey playing international football was also there for all to see - some of Fahey's team-mates looked very, very limited, and technically clumsy, particularly up front and on the flanks.

It's hard to judge what Fahey could do at a higher level, and like Aiden McGeady, his overall ability will be under debate until he is playing consistently at a higher level. By the way, I don't support any British teams and I don't take any pleasure in criticising my home league.

What would you consider Silvestre,Bramble,half the Newcastle squad or even as a club??

Given,Oshea,kilbane all play with them.Does that affect them??

[tetsujin1979]

Crowd reports say 4-5k turned up. Thats just a disgrace. No other way to put it - its an absolute disgrace. We are not a soccer nation and we get what we deserve.
Did you really think Bohs, Rovers, Shels fans would go to watch St Pats in the RDS?
Were there many St Pats fans at the Shels game in Lansdowne a few years ago?
Serious questions BTW, I honestly have no idea

[Razors left peg]

I left out "some" players,Keith Treacy how many senior games has he played???

think he has played in all of Blackburns games this season

[Supreme feet]

What would you consider Silvestre,Bramble,half the Newcastle squad or even as a club??

Given,Oshea,kilbane all play with them.Does that affect them??

More players from the Premiership played in Euro 2008 than any other league. Despite England and Ireland not qualifying. Think that says it all. Only the Spanish and Italian leagues can arguably give better preparation for the international stage. There are some lazy players in the EPL like those you mentioned, but some of the Pat's players tonight, like Kirby and Fitzpatrick, were willing and hard-working, but very, very limited. Hertha were awful today but Pats weren't good enough to score against them. That worries me, in terms of EL teams advancing in Europe, or feeding players into the international set-up. Especially when you see BATE scoring twice against Juventus tonight.

[tetsujin1979]

I left out "some" players,Keith Treacy how many senior games has he played???


think he has played in all of Blackburns games this season

He has played in all but 2 games this season, he was an unused sub against Hull, and again against Newcastle last weekend.

In all games that Treacy has started, Blackburn have gone on to win

[Saint_Charlie]

Did you really think Bohs, Rovers, Shels fans would go to watch St Pats in the RDS?
Were there many St Pats fans at the Shels game in Lansdowne a few years ago?
Serious questions BTW, I honestly have no idea

There was a cork city jersey and a finn harps scarf that I saw at the game today.

I doubt many Pats fans went to see Shels. They were our main rivals at the time.

Fahey, once again, was excellent tonight.

[Bohemian1890]

More players from the Premiership played in Euro 2008 than any other league. Despite England and Ireland not qualifying. Think that says it all. Only the Spanish and Italian leagues can arguably give better preparation for the international stage. I suppose the fact that Kaka once played with Massimo Donati makes Kaka a cr*p player in your view? Strange logic.
:eek::mad:I know your team are amateur and that but that is know reason to tell lies after all that seems your logic.
You said this?? "However, the argument against Fahey playing international football was also there for all to see - some of Fahey's team-mates looked very, very limited, and technically clumsy, particularly up front and on the flanks."

then you said this
I suppose the fact that Kaka once played with Massimo Donati makes Kaka a cr*p player in your view? Strange logic.
Your a mess lad,make up your mind.
I asked you a question and you couldn't answer it:rolleyes:



Also we beat BATE 3 nil not so long ago,and knocked them out.

I pointed out that some Irish players play with players like you describe as technically clumsy.



Well would you look at that everybody he edited his post,as the strange logic he accused me of having is actually his own,what a tool.

[SkStu]

Did you really think Bohs, Rovers, Shels fans would go to watch St Pats in the RDS?
Were there many St Pats fans at the Shels game in Lansdowne a few years ago?
Serious questions BTW, I honestly have no idea

tets, i have been to Shels and Pats european games before - also went to Rovers Djurgardens to enjoy them losing and me making a quick buck - and i know plenty of Bohs fans who have done the same, including Drogs games from last year. I also have noticed a number of league jerseys when Bohs have played in Europe so to answer your question, yes, i would expect opposition fans to go along, though not necessarily to cheer them on too enthusiastically. ;)

which leads to my next point - i went along cos i like to watch live footie and to see how irish teams will fare against their european rivals. I think anyone with an interest in footie would (or at least should) consider going to these games. But maybe i am expecting too much from soccer fans, though i dont think so really. Its still 11 men v 11 men and its still enjoyable. The premiership is streets ahead and of course i take an interest in that too but i think that those who really, and i mean really, enjoy the game should go to live games. And thats putting aside the usual support your local team, faux nationalism stuff that is sometimes proffered as a reason to support an irish team. These arguments have merit too but, to me, its more simple than that. If you like soccer, you will take in as much as you can.

[Bohemian1890]

He has played in all but 2 games this season, he was an unused sub against Hull, and again against Newcastle last weekend.

In all games that Treacy has started, Blackburn have gone on to win
Ok,i don't watch as much British football as i once did.Last time i did he was playing reserve team football.

[Supreme feet]

Your a mess lad,make up your mind.
I asked you a question and you couldn't answer it

I realised my mistake, edited the original post.

Look, the EL hasn't produced an Irish player for a competitive international since the early '80s. On the evidence of tonight, against moderate opposition, in a footballing climate where teams from badly-funded and obscure leagues (like BATE and Anorthosis) are getting good results across Europe, what the EL is offering us isn't good enough. Throughout the last 20 years (our international team's most successful period), players from the Championship and Premiership, with the odd player from further afield, have dominated the selection. Do you think that a player from the EL could improve the Irish side now, when the difference in standard is probably more profound than ever?

And don't call me a liar either. I said that the likes of Guy, Fitzpatrick and Rogers are limited. They are, in my opinion. Fahey is clearly too good for the EL, but like Houlihan before him, he will have to move to realise his potential. Just like Conor Sinnott will probably have to leave Youths to realise his.

The Premiership is a better standard than the Eircom League. Are you going to argue with that, or call me a liar for saying so?