Marc Wilson

[youngirish]

Read the article again.
He was selected to be the stand-by, that was not the same as 'going to the Euros'.
He said “if I’d been called up for the Euros I’d have been there, I just would have had some tough decisions to make.”

The first article in Stutts initial post makes no mention of being on standby. I've read it twice now. What article are you referring to? Anyway the sentiment stands. He had a chance of travelling to the Euros and instead of grasping at that chance with both hands which would at the very least have allowed him to get back into the fold if not the final squad he comes up with another lame excuse.

[AlaskaFox]

I didn't see a single reason in that whole atricle that throws up what I would state are even passable excuses for any of his absences. His girlfriend was going to be on her own going into hospital so he couldn't go to the Euros? Unless she was getting open heart surgery then that's a fairly lame excuse. Either way she needs to get some friends.

(a) Do you have a girlfriend/boyfriend?

(b) Has s/he had to go into hospital for surgery?

If both, then you'd know that being there for your partner in times like that is a fairly important part of being a couple. My gf has had a fair few surgeries in the past few years, and I'd put them above everything else. Being there for her when she needs you most is essential.

[paul_oshea]

what happens of you split up and you habe missed all those important things.....

[osarusan]

(My gf has had a fair few surgeries in the past few years, and I'd put them above everything else. Being there for her when she needs you most is essential.

but Wilson didn't seem to put her above everything else. Despite saying that he 'couldn't' go on standby because his girlfriend was hospitalised and alone, he also said if he'd been selected for the actual squad, he would have gone to the Euros.

[SwanVsDalton]

but Wilson didn't seem to put her above everything else. Despite saying that he 'couldn't' go on standby because his girlfriend was hospitalised and alone, he also said if he'd been selected for the actual squad, he would have gone to the Euros.

Have to say I don't know what he meant by that. If he says he would've gone to Euros if chosen, then he wasn't really turning anything down. Maybe Trap wanted him to travel to Poland on a standby basis, and that's what he turned down.

[DannyInvincible]

I didn't see a single reason in that whole atricle that throws up what I would state are even passable excuses for any of his absences. His girlfriend was going to be on her own going into hospital so he couldn't go to the Euros? Unless she was getting open heart surgery then that's a fairly lame excuse. Either way she needs to get some friends.

I think you need to get a hold of yourself and stay out of people's private business. People don't go into hospital for a laugh. Jon Walters and Darron Gibson have had to take care of ill loved ones in the past and that's perfectly acceptable. Family should always come first. Besides, as has been highlighted, Wilson wasn't even selected for the Euros squad; be that in the initial squad or as a replacement. If he had been selected, he was fairly clear that he would have been in Poland.


He played 10 games for Stoke at the end of the season but couldn't even show up for an Ireland squad after a 3 month rest?

He played ten competitive games for his club through the pain-barrier with the aid of an injection. That's his professional duty; his job. If he's carrying a niggling ankle injury, there's no point risking him in international friendly fixtures. The FAI doctors never expressed any doubt over the veracity of his injury claims and indeed declared him unfit when he was selected in the squad for the Croatia friendly. He wasn't selected in any of our squads after that until the Serbia game. If he didn't feel entirely confident on his ankle the other week but feels fully fit now, great. I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt as he's been willing to clarify matters and his words are very positive with regard to his feelings for playing international football for us.

[elroy]

Doesnt look like Trap is going to start Wilson against kazak and no great surprise either I suppose. Unlikely to come on either bar an injury to Ward. I think the guy should start against Oman at least.

[youngirish]

(a) Do you have a girlfriend/boyfriend?

(b) Has s/he had to go into hospital for surgery?

If both, then you'd know that being there for your partner in times like that is a fairly important part of being a couple. My gf has had a fair few surgeries in the past few years, and I'd put them above everything else. Being there for her when she needs you most is essential.

People seem to forget we are dealing with a man who misses Ireland friendlies at the drop of a hat not an established international who's been a dedicated servant for years. If Kevin Kilbane had to miss a few games because his wife was ill then I think everyone would have understood and respected his decision. Mark Wilson has been the boy who cried wolf of Ireland squads for far too long.

I don't particularly care about him pulling out of a single squad (or the potential to get into the squad) because his girlfriend was sick I care about him pulling out of every second squad with one excuse or the other while consistently appearing and playing the full (yes the full) 90 minutes for his team the following weekend. Actually I have to rephrase that I don't really care as let's be honest he's no Roberto Carlos - I'm just too old and not nearly gullible (idiotic) enough to believe him.

[DannyInvincible]

People seem to forget we are dealing with a man who misses Ireland friendlies at the drop of a hat not an established international who's been a dedicated servant for years.

Which friendlies has Wilson pulled out of at the drop of a hat?


If Kevin Kilbane had to miss a few games because his wife was ill then I think everyone would have understood and respected his decision. Mark Wilson has been the boy who cried wolf of Ireland squads for far too long.

Erm, Wilson hasn't really had the chance to carve out a fifteen-year international career, so no point comparing him to Kilbane just yet. He was first selected for our senior squad in March of 2010 and answered the call without problem. Besides, when has he cried "wolf" (or lied, in other words?)? Whether it's Kilbane or Wilson, if a family member/girlfriend requires your company for something as serious as admission to hospital, that's a fair excuse to pull out of a squad. Not that Wilson did pull out of a squad on that occasion anyway; he wasn't even selected!


I don't particularly care about him pulling out of a single squad (or the potential to get into the squad) because his girlfriend was sick I care about him pulling out of every second squad with one excuse or the other while consistently appearing and playing the full (yes the full) 90 minutes for his team the following weekend. Actually I have to rephrase that I don't really care as let's be honest he's no Roberto Carlos - I'm just too old and not nearly gullible (idiotic) enough to believe him.

Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with the facts before commenting... When has Wilson pulled out of "every second squad"? You think he's lying about playing with the aid of injections for Stoke? Even the FAI doctors declared him unfit to play when he was called up for the Croatia game last year.

[youngirish]

Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with the facts before commenting... When has Wilson pulled out of "every second squad"? You think he's lying about playing with the aid of injections for Stoke? Even the FAI doctors declared him unfit to play when he was called up for the Croatia game last year.
What are you his mother?

Perhaps the question should be when has he not pulled out of squads? He's pulled out of squads for the Carling Cup games. A squad for another friendly a few years ago post summer. He obviously didn't feel like making himself available to be on standby for the Euro squad despite having not contributed an ounce of effort to get the team there. And yes the Serbia game a few weeks ago. How many more examples do you need to bring you back to this little place I like to call reality?

I honestly don't get these heads who defend these players to the hilt in spite of all the logical signs that indicate that they might not be the demigods that they seem to expect them to be, for no justifiable reason I might add. The facts? What confidential facts are you privy to that have not been made available to us mere mortals that give you such great insight into the remarkable character of one Marc Wilson?

[DannyInvincible]

Perhaps the question should be when has he not pulled out of squads?

Brazil, Norway, Wales, Kazakhstan... He was selected for the Macedonia/Uruguay squad at the end of March last year but was sent home due to flu. He was declared unfit by the FAI's medical staff after travelling to Dublin for the Croatia friendly. Other than that, he's pulled out of the recent Serbia squad due to a fear over the niggling ankle injury that dogged him last season, the June 2011 Carling Cup squad, the earlier June 2011 Italy/Macedonia squad, where Tardelli publicly acknowledged he and Trap did not doubt his injury concerns (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1391039/Trapattoni-rules-McCarthy-Walters-Wilson.html), and the August 2010 Argentina squad. (For what it's worth, he also missed the 2010 FA Cup final due to injury.) Trap wouldn't have time for him if he thought he was bluffing his injury issues and whatever else was going on in his personal life. In contrast, Trap won't be calling up Anthony Stokes any time soon. Wilson hasn't been named in any of our other squads.


He obviously didn't feel like making himself available to be on standby for the Euro squad despite having not contributed an ounce of effort to get the team there.

Erm, he wasn't selected to be part of the squads for our seven games prior to Euro 2012. How could he have contributed in such circumstances? And, as you know, his girlfriend was admitted to hospital and in need of his company when he got the Euros stand-by call. I don't know why you say he obviously didn't feel like making himself available. He was pretty emphatic that he'd have been in Poland had he been selected.


I honestly don't get these heads who defend these players to the hilt in spite of all the logical signs that indicate that they might not be the saints that they seem to expect the, to be, for no justifiable reason I might add. The facts? What confidential facts are you privy to that I obviously am not privy to that give you such great insight into the remarkable character of one Marc Wilson?

I'm not saying he's a saint - he's a human being, like anyone else - nor am I defending him to the hilt. :confused:

I just don't get these heads who get way ahead of themselves and like to stir up unnecessary animosity, suspicion, melodrama and scandal in relation to things about which they know little. You haven't a clue what goes on in the guy's personal life so you have little licence to be speculating about his commitment, or supposed lack of it, especially when (unlike Stephen Ireland or Anthony Stokes, perhaps) he's said absolutely nothing that should offend the sensibilities of Ireland fans. Although you would at times have to question whether some actually have sensibilities...

[SkStu]

He's been excellent for Stoke today in the first half vs Chelsea. Supported the attack well on occasion, showed for the out ball a lot to help the centre mids. He has defended very solidly against an excellent Chelsea team. He even forced Cech into a good save with a shot from 25ish yards.

Also, not a fan at all, but Whelan has done well enough and his set piece delivery has been world class e.g Walters hitting the crossbar from one of his frees. Walters has worked very hard and enjoyed some success. Chelsea dominating possession but Stoke with 2 or 3 great chances.

Sorry, it was Huths free kick that Walters hit the post from but the point stands.

[Charlie Darwin]

From BBC: "Stoke defender Marc Wilson is given an instant boxing-style shiner as he is caught in the face by Chico's stray boot. Swansea have been the better team this half but are yet to create a clear cut chance."

This is the same Chico who almost took Saha's head off a few weeks back with one of the highest boots in sporting history.

[tricky_colour]

He's been excellent for Stoke today in the first half vs Chelsea. Supported the attack well on occasion, showed for the out ball a lot to help the centre mids. He has defended very solidly against an excellent Chelsea team. He even forced Cech into a good save with a shot from 25ish yards.

Also, not a fan at all, but Whelan has done well enough and his set piece delivery has been world class e.g Walters hitting the crossbar from one of his frees. Walters has worked very hard and enjoyed some success. Chelsea dominating possession but Stoke with 2 or 3 great chances.

Sorry, it was Huths free kick that Walters hit the post from but the point stands.

According to my stats site is is currently the highest rated available Irish player.
http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/3389/Stages/6531/PlayerStatistics/England-Premier-League-2012-2013
Hope I didn't miss anyone out.
Assist for Whelan today too, he provided the corner for a Crouch header.

[geysir]

TC, I suspect your frivolous threads addiction (extreme) has been replaced/substituted by a fascination for stat sites (less extreme).

[tricky_colour]

TC, I suspect your frivolous threads addiction (extreme) has been replaced/substituted by a fascination for stat sites (less extreme).

Thanks for your frivolous vacuous post :p

You may not have don't much maths in your schooling but I have a degree which is in part maths, so I don't
struggle with numbers.

[paul_oshea]

you must have been doing maths in those english classes too tc.

[tricky_colour]

you must have been doing maths in those english classes too tc.


Lol well maybe in my typing classes too, I will admit when I occasionally look back I have not always typed what I thought I had
typed, but I kind of work on the premise that nobody bothers reading what I post, I certainly don't!!

[TrapAPony]

Stretchered off. Suspected broken fibula

[liamoo11]

Stretchered off. Suspected broken fibula

That would be a decent outcome if its just fibula

[DannyInvincible]

How serious is a fibula break (if that indeed is the diagnosis) in terms of making a full and speedy recovery?

[TrapAPony]

Here is the incident
http://watchhighlightsonline.blogspot.ie/2012/10/video-wilson-injury-vs-sunderland.html

[Colbert Report]

He's definitely out for the rest of the season at the very least. The poor guy, finally Trap picked him in a competitive fixture and then he goes and breaks his leg a wet week later.

[geysir]

It's our LB jinx striking again,
Jim Beglin, Cunningham, O'Halloran and Stephen Ward live.

[IsMiseSean]

He tweeted this a few hours ago
https://twitter.com/wildog87/status/262233339325452288

[Alf Honn]

He tweeted this a few hours ago
https://twitter.com/wildog87/status/262233339325452288


Oh no...
Thanks again every1 for the support. Really appreciate it. Have broke my fibula. Hopefully I can make a speedy recovery.

[liamoo11]

He's definitely out for the rest of the season at the very least. The poor guy, finally Trap picked him in a competitive fixture and then he goes and breaks his leg a wet week later.

Ah no if he has only done fibula cleanly then 4 months would be the worst case scenario and more likely 3.its when u do the tibia /fibula compo you r in real bother.best of luck to him

[Crosby87]

Who says 3 months? No way. Sorry to be pessimistic but no way.

[tricky_colour]

Looked pretty nasty to me, I was wincing watching it, I did mine a few year back in a similar fashion, basically got my foot trapped
and went over on it with my own weight. I imagine it will have mangled up his ankle ligaments somewhat.
Foot has never been 100% since that, bit like I have 2 left feet, but that's not a big problem for a defender.
It's not the main load bearing bone though, more for balance. They took my cast off after 5-6 weeks but I was still
walking around like a cripple for a good while., It is still a bit discoloured now.

[SkStu]

Absolutely gutted for him and for us. Terribly unlucky. Get well soon.

[centre mid]

looks inoculous enough on the video above, devastating for the lad though. Its a cruel world sometimes is football.

[tricky_colour]

I dunno, from one angle you can see his he seems to over on his ankle every awkwardly, I don't think it's the contact
I think the bone breaks under his own weight because of the huge stresses put on it. Those same forces will have gone through his foot and
ankle ligaments and will not do either any good.

One a side note he was out top rated available player on one stat site, but Trap does not usually play them even if they are
available

[elroy]

From our perspective, if it is to happen, it has happened at a decent time. Its almost five months until our next competitive game. If the guy could be back training in February then he could well be in contention for Sweden away. Have no clue about what the anticipated recovery time is but wish him well.

[paul_oshea]

i just hope cunningham gets his chance now.

[Stuttgart88]

What about Aidan White of Leeds? Better player than Cunningham?

[IsMiseSean]

What about Aidan White of Leeds? Better player than Cunningham?

Cunningham was starting ahead of White in the recent U21 campaign, I think he also captained the side.
White usually played on the left wing if memory serves me right...

[geysir]

Cunningham is still recovering from injury, isn't he? He'd hardly be around for the Greece game.
The ball is back to Ward and apart from ability to stroke the ball, he's no more a defensive danger than Wilson.
Judging by how the Faroes turned Wilson to jelly, with him giving away silly free kicks and not defending for their goal.

[backstothewall]

It has to be worth taking a look at White. Even just for half an hour.

[DeLorean]

Cunningham is still recovering from injury, isn't he? He'd hardly be around for the Greece game.
The ball is back to Ward and apart from ability to stroke the ball, he's no more a defensive danger than Wilson.
Judging by how the Faroes turned Wilson to jelly, with him giving away silly free kicks and not defending for their goal.

Yes but there was the hope that Wilson would improve game on game, and that the Faroes experience would stand to him. I feel Ward was getting progressively worse.

[DeLorean]

It's hugely unfortunate for Willo to pick up an injury like this, because he has been playing so well in that position over the past couple of seasons.
In fact, I would go as far as to say he has been arguably our most consistent performer.


High praise from Wilson's likely replacement (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11701/8214653/Andy-Wilkson-ready-to-fill-Marc-Wilson-s-boots-after-the-Stoke-defender-broke-his-leg)

[paul_oshea]

There is a simple reason why Ward is in the championship, mid level and Wilson is playing in a mid level Premiership team, week in, week out, over the last few seasons. Hopefully Andy Wilkinson doesn't do too well.

[DeLorean]

Wilkinson is a good solid player and tough out. Wouldn't have as much football as Wilson though.

[tetsujin1979]

tweeted this earlier: https://twitter.com/wildog87/status/263967131471839232

Just out of surgery. Thank god that's over. The whole medical team where different class and done a great job.
and (in reply to @larrythelurker who wanted to know how long he'll be out) https://twitter.com/wildog87/status/263979308761112576

8 to 12 weeks
So, that's more or less the end of January

[DeLorean]

That's great news.

[DeLorean]

Ah no if he has only done fibula cleanly then 4 months would be the worst case scenario and more likely 3.its when u do the tibia /fibula compo you r in real bother.best of luck to him

Good call Liamoo.


Who says 3 months? No way. Sorry to be pessimistic but no way.

Not so much :)

[paul_oshea]

I think we should be ok for him to be back in quicker than is normally expected. I think nowadays with all the medical advances, fitness regime, nutrition etc, that players recuperate quicker than they used to and its more down to the individual. He should be fine for March maybe even the friendly in February.

[paul_oshea]

Geysir V Tony Pulis :D

"I think he has probably been our most consistent player this year - he is a very underrated lad and we will miss him because he has great quality."

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/sport/pulis-hopes-for-early-wilson-return-3280078.html

Bring back Stephen Ward :D

[tricky_colour]

tweeted this earlier: https://twitter.com/wildog87/status/263967131471839232

and (in reply to @larrythelurker who wanted to know how long he'll be out) https://twitter.com/wildog87/status/263979308761112576

So, that's more or less the end of January

Surgery would seem to indicated it's a bit more than a simple break, ie having to reconstruct the bone
however it might be different for professional footballers, when it's so important it heals up well.

I'd be surprise if he is back in 8 weeks but I expect if you are really fit things tend to heal up faster, and
obviously they will be getting the very best treatment and physio etc

[IsMiseSean]

Ideally it would be great to see him back in the Stoke team with a few games under his belt before Sweden & Austria.

[paul_oshea]

Surgery would seem to indicated it's a bit more than a simple break, ie having to reconstruct the bone
however it might be different for professional footballers, when it's so important it heals up well.

I'd be surprise if he is back in 8 weeks but I expect if you are really fit things tend to heal up faster, and
obviously they will be getting the very best treatment and physio etc

Perhaps he got a metal fixture in there? Doubtful more likely that the bone wouldn't reset properly as it was so need to be moved back into place.