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tetsujin1979
08/03/2006, 9:46 AM
Robert Huth up front ha ha.
Like they said on Newstalk 106 "Robert Huth - Chelsea's answer to Gary Doherty!"
livehead1
08/03/2006, 12:51 PM
barca threatened to spank chelskib ut never quite got motoring.
duff gave away a lot of silly fouls and got pegged back along with the rest of chelski's midfield. totally outplayed and outthought. the sulky head on mourihinio was suoer. a great day for football all round.
no doubt livehead will be on soon to tell us english football is still the worlds best :D
can you please locate me to where i said that english football is the best league in the world, if not i expect you to withdraw your comments.
However, on a side issue, a critic may argue that the current holders of the premier club competition in certainly european, and possible world football, is indeed an english side, liverpool. :D
elroy
08/03/2006, 12:57 PM
Absolute shocker of a game and I was really expecting a top notch game. Chelsea made look very ordinary, Duff was very poor. Question marks over Mourinho too, why take off Drogba for Crespo, what not go with two up front, they needed goals.
Roverstillidie
08/03/2006, 11:45 PM
can you please locate me to where i said that english football is the best league in the world, if not i expect you to withdraw your comments.
However, on a side issue, a critic may argue that the current holders of the premier club competition in certainly european, and possible world football, is indeed an english side, liverpool. :D
well done livehead, poxed the heysel killers well and good.
remember your 'i noticed graham kavanagh when he transfered to the premiership' 'too many foreigners in england keeping the irish out' and 'who is this dicker lad charlton are after' show me enough about your football view.
you are obsessed with the english premier league and it woudnt surprise any regular readers here if you came out with 'ronaldihinio is ok, but he hsnt proved himself in engerland yet'
back in the real world:
duffers probem at chelski is that jose plays such a rigid system he has to stifle his natural game just to fit in to a side where he is just another great player, wheras v sweden he just went out and ran amock.
would a move suit his game, if not his wallet?
livehead1
09/03/2006, 9:02 AM
well done livehead, poxed the heysel killers well and good.
remember your 'i noticed graham kavanagh when he transfered to the premiership' 'too many foreigners in england keeping the irish out' and 'who is this dicker lad charlton are after' show me enough about your football view.
you are obsessed with the english premier league and it woudnt surprise any regular readers here if you came out with 'ronaldihinio is ok, but he hsnt proved himself in engerland yet'
back in the real world:
duffers probem at chelski is that jose plays such a rigid system he has to stifle his natural game just to fit in to a side where he is just another great player, wheras v sweden he just went out and ran amock.
would a move suit his game, if not his wallet?
so what you are saying is that you can't find anywhere where i said that it was the best league in the world, but because i take a keen interest in it, i must believe it to be the case. Lets try and stick to the facts here, i never said that, instead of trying to slate me at every oppurtunity on every thread, and on matters which aren't even true.
gustavo
09/03/2006, 9:33 AM
'too many foreigners in england keeping the irish out'
Ah come Livehead dont tell me you really said that!
livehead1
09/03/2006, 10:13 AM
Ah come Livehead dont tell me you really said that!
didn't use the term foreigners, but i don't think its any great shock to anyone that the case is that for example, a spanish import such as Nunez for liverpool last season, without him there, we could have seen Potter get more games. Or Kleberson and manutd, maybe Miller could have had a few more games. These players are seen as better as they come from other parts of the world, when in all truth they are no better, yet the hamper the progress of young irish players at english clubs.
gustavo
09/03/2006, 10:22 AM
Irish people come from another part of the world too...
livehead1
09/03/2006, 10:51 AM
Irish people come from another part of the world too...
lol!! dont be so precise, you know exactly what i meant, but i will clarify for you. What was meant as in a different part of the world, e.g. spain, brazil, different areas of europe, or different continents. we're very close to england in proximity, its hardly another part of the world,
klein4
09/03/2006, 10:54 AM
the question you should be askin is what divine right do irish players have to play at english clubs over players from other nations?
livehead1
09/03/2006, 11:05 AM
the question you should be askin is what divine right do irish players have to play at english clubs over players from other nations?
thats a very good comment, but was just saying that there blocking the way, not that our players have a divine right. Some managers seem to favour a spanish, french etc import, there have been so many flops, where we on this forum can see that there are irish players more than capable of doing a job for their clubs, who don't get a chance. Elliot and McCarthy never got a chance under keegan at City, and then when McCarthy left, keegan was quoted saying he had no doubt McCarthy would turn into a premiership defender. If so, why not give him a chance!
Dodge
09/03/2006, 11:12 AM
Loads and loads of Irish flops too livehead.
lopez
09/03/2006, 11:29 AM
The question we should ask is why are Irish players just concerned with playing in the Premiership (or that other league we're not allowed to mention unless it's on its own thread)?
klein4
09/03/2006, 12:44 PM
...but it was a quality bit of geography all the same....
livehead1
09/03/2006, 1:18 PM
The question we should ask is why are Irish players just concerned with playing in the Premiership (or that other league we're not allowed to mention unless it's on its own thread)?
probably has something to do with speaking the same language. that said, i would love to see more irish players in france, spain, italy etc.
NeilMcD
09/03/2006, 2:48 PM
Anothe reason is how many scouts are there in Ireland from non British scouts. Players can only decide to play for teams that are looking to sign them. If there are no scouts from Spanish French or Italian clubs willing to come to Ireland the players are only left with the possibility of playing in Ireland or for British clubs.
probably has something to do with speaking the same language. that said, i would love to see more irish players in france, spain, italy etc.It is a factor, but it's also a cop out as obviously there are plenty of players in the Premiership who don't speak English as a first language (remember Cantona's almost two seasons without being able to converse in English) so why can't Irish players go abroad?
In fact the few who have, most have been successful. Brady of course, but what about Alan Campbell with Racing Santander and Liam Buckley with Waregem. Don't forget these players were on the fringe of the fringe during Hand's time with Eamonn O'Keefe of Port Vale ffs:rolleyes: getting a game at Wembley. Too mediocre for the FL of course.:rolleyes: Kevin Moran had a good spell at Gijon. Stapleton joined Ajax too late and Harte could have done better at Levante.
No. The real reason that Irish players end up in England is that everything is set up to send them one way over the channel. And when they get the chance to broaden their horizons, even some of the best are too insecure to take the plunge, and end up going to C*lt*c.
Plus we generally don't have technically great players who would be able to cut it outside of the Brit leagues, where effort is more appreciated than skill
tricky_colour
09/03/2006, 6:48 PM
The question we should ask is why are Irish players just concerned with playing in the Premiership (or that other league we're not allowed to mention unless it's on its own thread)?
It does help if you can speak the language which is a big barrier
unless you are already an established player.
Plus we generally don't have technically great players who would be able to cut it outside of the Brit leagues, where effort is more appreciated than skillWell players from Denmark, Sweden and Norway are far more of the hoofer variety than Keane, Duff or (on last Wednesday's performance) Miller could ever be, but they still manage to play outside the premiership (some in Italy and Spain).
It does help if you can speak the language which is a big barrier
unless you are already an established player.They have this thing now called 'language lessons'. I believe there are a number of them in Ireland that are nowadays for foreigners entering the country and hoping to pick up a job in Abrakebabra. Anyway, don't they teach you a foreign language (apart from English) at Irish schools?
Anothe reason is how many scouts are there in Ireland from non British scouts. Players can only decide to play for teams that are looking to sign them. If there are no scouts from Spanish French or Italian clubs willing to come to Ireland the players are only left with the possibility of playing in Ireland or for British clubs.That's more like it. Neo-colonialism at its best.:rolleyes:
Dodge
09/03/2006, 10:59 PM
Well players from Denmark, Sweden and Norway are far more of the hoofer variety than Keane, Duff or (on last Wednesday's performance) Miller could ever be, but they still manage to play outside the premiership (some in Italy and Spain)
Ok so there's our three topo technical players. IMO Danish and Swedish players are miles ahead of us technically. Norwegiuan aren't but can't think of anyone bar Carew who's played succesfully in either of those leagues. I'm with you on this BTW, I think the players take the easy option and 'stay' in England
DmanDmythDledge
09/03/2006, 11:14 PM
You are right Duff did work his arse off but i think he tries too hard playing for Chelsea and just can't perform the way he usually can.I hope that he moves on and finds a manager that lets him play the football he is best at.
I think(and hope) that he goes to Man Utd. It would be a good move for both parties.
livehead1
10/03/2006, 9:32 AM
could be a possible scenario next season, unlikely but possible to have duff miller o'shea and s.reid in the man utd team?!
i think its more likely that he will be off to liverpool, zenden has struggled this season and benitex has told the liverpool board that he needs money, i think something around the £30m mark has been claimed. I reckon duff would cost around 8-10m.
jimbob117
12/03/2006, 10:52 AM
i think its more likely that he will be off to liverpool, zenden has struggled this season and benitex has told the liverpool board that he needs money.
How can you say Zenden has struggled, the guy has been out injured for most of the season and had played a few decent games until then.
Roverstillidie
12/03/2006, 3:06 PM
please tell me people arent actually entertaining the bizarre notion that irish players are being pushed aside by 'foreigners' in a foreign country? this is surreal stuff.
tricky_colour
10/08/2006, 6:28 PM
Ventspils V Newcastle
Channel 5 UK
I missed first half hour a was I didn't know it was on.
A chance to have a look at Duff et all.
tricky_colour
10/08/2006, 6:43 PM
Probably just my imagination but I think Duff looks like he has lost
weight. I mught have got the aspect ratio wrong though :)
Given seems to have taken a knock to his back, probably not serious,
Carr seems to be doing well from what I have seen.
Lost weight? Nah its just the vertical stripes :D
tricky_colour
10/08/2006, 11:27 PM
Lost weight? Nah its just the vertical stripes :D
Yes I think thats it, even Stephen Carr looked taller and slimmer, actually thinking about the effects of vertical stripes a move to Sunderland would probably do Andy Reid a world of good. Incidently Newcastle were in their away kit, which is not vertical stripes but it certaintly has a similar effect.
Incidently Duff played OK, forced the corner from which the goal came, and played a full 90 mins. Did a nice dribble to, might see if I can edit it from the recording.
OwlsFan
11/08/2006, 7:13 AM
Lost weight? Nah its just the vertical stripes :D
Andy Reid for Newcastle :D ??
How long is it since he played well for Ireland?
brine3
02/09/2006, 9:20 PM
he was ok tonight i thought, had the germans worried
Who actually makes the effort to play well for us, apart from Shay?
DmanDmythDledge
02/09/2006, 9:26 PM
Judging by the lack of passion/effort in the recent performences I think it would be safe to say that Staunton is not a good motivator, despite his reputation for being one.
Nah, at this stage it's the players, they were like this under Kerr.I'm fed up with them.Apart from one or two that actually try.
thejollyrodger
02/09/2006, 9:28 PM
wingers have had their day about 50 years ago. The time irish football players realise this the better. Duffer has been figured out 4 years ago and hasnt done anything since.
DmanDmythDledge
02/09/2006, 9:29 PM
Nah, at this stage it's the players, they were like this under Kerr.I'm fed up with them.Apart from one or two that actually try.
That's because Kerr wasn't able to motivate them either. I agree that the players are obviously partly to blame for the lack of effort but they wouldn't be like that under someone like Alex Ferguson. We need someone that will give the players crap if they put in performances like that.
I haven't seen Duff play to anything close to his potential for us since 2002. He's a good player - we all know he is but he has got to make more of a contribution. He is one of the senior players now. Alan O'Brien showed with that one run in the last five minutes that he is good enough to play at this level - maybe some serious competition for his place will get Duff going again?
eirebhoy
03/09/2006, 2:57 PM
wingers have had their day about 50 years ago. The time irish football players realise this the better. Duffer has been figured out 4 years ago and hasnt done anything since.
Yeah, stick 3 players on him at all times. Even then it mightn't work judging by his superb performance against Italy with Zaccardo, Gattuso, Pirlo and Nesta on him at every opportunity.
Duffer has been figured out 4 years ago and hasnt done anything since...
Opponents have realised that Ireland only have 1 attacking force. Put 2 to 3 players on him & game over. Most obviously shown when played France at home in the last qualifier. Irish teams have proven unable to use the space that double marking Duff causes as the rest of the midfield pedestrian.
Opponents have realised that Ireland only have 1 attacking force. Put 2 to 3 players on him & game over. Most obviously shown when played France at home in the last qualifier. Irish teams have proven unable to use the space that double marking Duff causes as the rest of the midfield pedestrian.
I agree with that completely - but man-marking is nothing new and if a player is being marked out of a game (like Duff was so comprehensively against France for example) then something needs to change. Switch wings, move into the middle ... just vary things to try and get the talented players like Duff more involved. When he was at Chelsea (and in the team!) him and Robben would often switch wings when things weren't working. I don't know if this is down to Duff, or to the manager, or to the captain but someone needs to recognise when things aren't working during a match and change things round.
Billsthoughts
03/09/2006, 6:16 PM
Opponents have realised that Ireland only have 1 attacking force. Put 2 to 3 players on him & game over. Most obviously shown when played France at home in the last qualifier. Irish teams have proven unable to use the space that double marking Duff causes as the rest of the midfield pedestrian.
exactly...none of the others seem to want the ball....how do you get to that level as a footballer and no want the ball:(
McGeady10
03/09/2006, 6:19 PM
Duffers career is heading to the waste ground. Signing on at the shambles that is Newcastle United could put the final nail in his career coffin. He should have moved abroad or tried to wangle a move to Celtic.
exactly...none of the others seem to want the ball....how do you get to that level as a footballer and no want the ball:(
It's down to a lack of confidence and a lack of real leadership
It's down to a lack of confidence and a lack of real leadership
I think the lack of skill doesnt help either. Last night our two Central midfielders couldnt play a pass.....i suppose actually having central nidfielders playing there would help though.
Agree with your points though
Yes - a lack of skill is also a contributing factor!! I'm hoping we can turn in a good performance next month in Cyprus that will re-gain some of the confidence ... even bad players can do alright when they are feeling confident!
He should have moved abroad or tried to wangle a move to Celtic.
I know you are biased but bad as all Newcastle may be Celtic would not be a step up.
OneRedArmy
03/09/2006, 8:04 PM
He should have moved abroad or tried to wangle a move to Celtic.He would look good in that league. Not sure it would necessarily improve his career beyond a couple of CL games a season.
shakermaker1982
03/09/2006, 8:19 PM
Duffer was ok. He had two men near him every time the ball was near him. If the other 3 donkeys in MF made more of possession it might open up some space for him. He'll come good, class doesn't just disappear over night.
drinkfeckarse
04/09/2006, 7:25 AM
I thought he had a good opening 20 minutes but fell out of the picture after that. The whole team did though to be fair and I felt only for some resolute defending and goalkeeping they could have got 3 or 4. If Dunne had scored at the end it would have been an injustice on the Germans, delighted as I'd have been though.
I'm sure it must be a confidence thing with Duff and I agree with Eirebhoy that he was hardly ever 1 on 1. Hopefully he can start getting that confidence back with Newcastle and help benefit us.
In responce to Emmets comment about O'Brien showing he can handle this level with that 1 run....encouraging as it was because it showed he had no fear, knocking it 20 yards up the line and chasing after it does NOT show talent- it shows speed. I might add nothing came of it but it did show that his pace can be an asset providing there is an end product.
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