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geysir
18/08/2009, 10:27 AM
For a guy not motivated by money to also manage to become Irelands richest ever footballer is no mean achievement. The talk was that he got a £5m signing on fee to join Newcastle to ease that pain, plus about £5m p/a (salary plus top ups).
Though Owen was about twice as expensive as that for Newcastle.
If you had a choice between signing Owen or Duff for a team like Fulham for similar terms, who would you pick?
DeLorean
18/08/2009, 11:29 AM
If you had a choice between signing Owen or Duff for a team like Fulham for similar terms, who would you pick?
Probably Owen seeing as their midfield is very strong as it is. Zamora and Johnson are probably the weakest part of their team.
Words really count for nothing in football !! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/8067061.stm)
dr_peepee
18/08/2009, 11:47 AM
I thinkit is 5% of the transfer fee if you don't ask for a transfer.
His contract wouldn't be paid up as he doesn't have to leave. He could volunteer for a paycut to get back to the premeirship and also for more security in a longer contract.
Damien has never been motivated by money so I suspect he is just glad to be out of Newcastle. Fulham are a good club with a great manager and in europe too so a great opportunity. Great news for us imo.
I think you're entitled to 10% of the fee if you haven't requested the transfer. You can always turn around and say you're not moving and sit out the rest of your contract which is where a settlement deal comes in. Plus there's usually loyalty bonuses etc that you may still be entitled to. Duffer's Newcastle contract was stuffed with extra payments on top of his weekly wage. That was how Newcastle got him for £5m, Chelsea wanted £10m off Liverpool but were prepared to sell him for half that to a team they didn't consider a rivial which meant Newcastle could basically spread the other £5m over the likes of Duff's signing on fee, loyalty bonuses etc. It was the only way Duff's salary at Newcastle came close to what he was earning at Chelsea, Liverpool weren't prepared to pay those sort of wages according to the reports at the time.
I believe... And I'm open to correction... That if you don't hand in a request you're entitled to have the balance of your contract paid up when you leave. That's probably where the fee came in to it. Fulham won't pay the wages so Duff takes a cut to go. Fulham pay Newcastle a fee. Newcastle in turn pay up the balance of his contract on the way out...
Ha!! Between the 3 of us we might have a fact there somewhere..
I was talking outside the entitlement of the cut of the transfer fee though too.. It was told to me a few years ago by a friend of a Pro that legally the contract has to be paid up but more often than not there's alot of jiggery pokery goes on. "I'll wave this if you do that" kind of thing. And that this accounts for the discrepency in some transfer fees paid as opposed to respective values. Like any job, if you're contracted for 12 months and they decide after 9 months the work isn;t there, they still have to pay the 3 months.
Take Alonso for example. The fee eventually paid was about 5 mil less than what Real bid before he handed in a request. I think the logic behind it is that Real know that Pool don't have to honour the balance of the contract, plus you may find that Alonso was reluctant to offer a transfer request because of his losses so Real say "hand it in and we'll sort you out on the other side because we'll just offer less now because we know Liverpool don't have to honour your contract" and so forth. Still costs the same money, just accounted for differently...
That's why (I think) you'll see some contracts as terminated by mutual consent and others just as "Free Transfers"... And that players with more left on their contract have higher transfer fees than those with less... (even aside from the fear of loosing them on a bosman)
fu1ham
18/08/2009, 12:48 PM
Great signing; wonder if he's eligible for the Thursday night match ?
paul_oshea
18/08/2009, 1:09 PM
Ha!! Between the 3 of us we might have a fact there somewhere..
Like any job, if you're contracted for 12 months and they decide after 9 months the work isn;t there, they still have to pay the 3 months.
No they don't thats completely wrong. I am a contractor, if tomorrow the client said sorry, you are crap or whatever, they have a days notice to give. Its written in the contract. No place will pay you for work that you have not done. If you are permanent and you are on35k a year or whatever and you are let go or whatever, they dont pay you up until the financial year end.
I don't know much about footballers contracts but I cant beleive that if david beckham has 5 years in LA, leaves after 2 they pay the next 3 years for no work done. However I know for a fact that other contracts definitely dont work like that.
dr_peepee
18/08/2009, 1:19 PM
No they don't thats completely wrong. I am a contractor, if tomorrow the client said sorry, you are crap or whatever, they have a days notice to give. Its written in the contract.
Beg to differ my good man. I too am a contractor. Maybe mines a sweeping statement based on my own experience however I think you cited your own exception in your own post....
Footballers have more clout than you or I. I wouldn't imagine they would commit to anything that leaves them at the mercy of the club to that extent. As i said, I'm not claiming what I said to be gospel. If I tell a lie it's cos I was told a lie. It just makes sense to me
ken foree
18/08/2009, 3:01 PM
just read on a fulham board that duff isn't registered for the europa league with them so no playing in europe? forgive me for overstating the obvious but any confirmation on this would be a good thing
Razors left peg
18/08/2009, 3:04 PM
just read on a fulham board that duff isn't registered for the europa league with them so no playing in europe? forgive me for overstating the obvious but any confirmation on this would be a good thing
Hodgson was interviewed on Sky earlier and he said that he is allowed to change 1 player on his european squad and he is definately adding Duff to the list. He said that the only concern he has is that Duff might not get a visa in time for their trip to Russia
DeLorean
18/08/2009, 3:09 PM
any confirmation on this would be a good thing
Yeah I know what you mean with regards to being fresh for Ireland. However, if Fulham did have a good European run I would like Duff to be a part of it.
paul_oshea
18/08/2009, 3:10 PM
Beg to differ my good man. I too am a contractor. Maybe mines a sweeping statement based on my own experience however I think you cited your own exception in your own post....
Footballers have more clout than you or I. I wouldn't imagine they would commit to anything that leaves them at the mercy of the club to that extent. As i said, I'm not claiming what I said to be gospel. If I tell a lie it's cos I was told a lie. It just makes sense to me
I am pretty sure if you go through an agency and you signed a contract, if you read in there, you will see that on your side you must give 1 months notice generally, but they only require to give 1 days notice. A contractor can come in tomorrow and be gone the next day( I have seen the 1 days notice happen before). I have never seen this any other way. Maybe its just in the line of work that I am in though, but I cant really see how that would be the case, at the end of the day if you aren't performing its bye bye....
Anyway back on topic if he is so keen to get Duff ready for Russia then he sees him being a first team player, and not what he said earlier in the week.
DeLorean
18/08/2009, 3:17 PM
and not what he said earlier in the week.
What was this Paul? did he say he seen him as a squad player or what exactly?
paul_oshea
18/08/2009, 8:42 PM
It was in one of the interviews he had either on sky or bbc where he said something along the lines, that it will be good for the lads,knowing there is someone looking for their jersey, so to speak.
tricky_colour
19/08/2009, 12:20 AM
No they don't thats completely wrong. I am a contractor, if tomorrow the client said sorry, you are crap or whatever, they have a days notice to give. Its written in the contract. No place will pay you for work that you have not done. If you are permanent and you are on35k a year or whatever and you are let go or whatever, they dont pay you up until the financial year end.
I don't know much about footballers contracts but I cant beleive that if david beckham has 5 years in LA, leaves after 2 they pay the next 3 years for no work done. However I know for a fact that other contracts definitely dont work like that.
What ever is in the contract is in the contract
If Beckham contracts for 5 years he has to do 5 yeaars, if he leaves after 2
they won't pay him because he breached the contract not them.
If he has other conditions in the contract he does not fullfill they don't have to pay him. I expect you don't have the same type of contract, or you don't have the contract you think you have.
tricky_colour
19/08/2009, 12:28 AM
Hodgson indicated in the interview he gave that he got Duff for a good price. meaning he did not pay a lot for him.
None to complimentary article on Duff here, it says the price was £2.5 million.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/betting-blog/Damien-Duff-is-a-good-bet-to-bring-success-to-Fulham-article121681.html
fu1ham
19/08/2009, 6:51 AM
Typical hack journalism. Just because he isn't falling out of a club every night , and has a private life, he's thick.
Anyway, he's registered & in the squad for tomorrow night. Hope he gets on - I'll send a report.
Hodgson indicated in the interview he gave that he got Duff for a good price. meaning he did not pay a lot for him.
None to complimentary article on Duff here, it says the price was £2.5 million.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/betting-blog/Damien-Duff-is-a-good-bet-to-bring-success-to-Fulham-article121681.html
Scumbag "journalist" pandering to a scumbag readership. You would be hard pushed to find an article like this on the useless Michael Owen in one of the many English/Irish rags.
kennedmc
19/08/2009, 9:50 AM
For fuvk sake lads its a betting blog in the Daily mirror!! what do you expect?! I get the impression its fairly light hearted, aimed at getting people to throw a few quid down on a bet
bellavistaman
19/08/2009, 1:22 PM
the article about duff is ridiculous. But anybody read the one about jordan funny stuff.
ken foree
19/08/2009, 3:20 PM
Yeah I know what you mean with regards to being fresh for Ireland. However, if Fulham did have a good European run I would like Duff to be a part of it.
no i'm with you on that. i think the best thing for him would be to get a long run of games against varied opposition, hopefully no inuries, he's been cursed with them.
irishfan86
20/08/2009, 1:29 PM
Will Duff be in the squad tonight for the Europa League game?
tetsujin1979
20/08/2009, 1:34 PM
Should be, according to this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8209325.stm
Damien Duff could make his Fulham debut on Thursday after being included in the squad to face Amkar Perm in the first leg of their Europa League play-off.
Uncle_Joe
20/08/2009, 9:18 PM
Nice debut for Duffer tonight. Came on with 15 minutes left and straight away beat his man with a dummy to make a decent cross which eventually found Zamora who scored.
he came on for Gera, and immediately switched with Dempsey to play on the left.
It did make me laugh out loud to see the familiar hands on hips 8 minutes later looking like he had just raced against Usain Bolt!
Crosby87
20/08/2009, 11:54 PM
It did make me laugh out loud to see the familiar hands on hips 8 minutes later looking like he had just raced against Usain Bolt!
Seriously, and Ive said this before, Trap should bring him on in the second half. He is the perfect sub to play only one half at high energy. A fresh Duff against a not fresh D, think about it, its not that bad an idea.
SkStu
21/08/2009, 12:29 AM
i cant believe you used the term "D"...
fu1ham
22/08/2009, 12:17 AM
Yeah, Damien came on around 65. He got a lucky bounce with his first touch and was past the right back. He then swung in a cross behind the striker who headed it back to Zamora who (uncharacteristically ) smashed it in from around the pen spot. After that , DD looked a bit off the pace , but always showed for the ball , and got a great roar off the crowd. Good debut, still v classy. Hope he starts on Sunday against Combat 18.
rambler14
23/08/2009, 2:59 PM
Starts vs Chelsea today.
Colbert Report
24/08/2009, 5:04 AM
He played ninety minutes against Chelsea today. Chelsea were by far the better team so he didn't get many touches. I'd like to see him run at the full backs from the likes of Everton, Portsmouth, Wolves, Burnley, West Ham etc. before the Cyprus match.
Not a bad start for Duff, didn't give the ball away but never had the beating of Bosingwa to cause Chelsea any problems..... Fulham surrendered very early and looked like they were playing for a respectable scoreline so it's hard to judge him.
Drogba has by far had the best start of all premiership strikers.... the man looked, to take a Jaime Redknapp quote, "Unplayable!"
tetsujin1979
24/08/2009, 9:06 AM
He played ninety minutes against Chelsea today. Chelsea were by far the better team so he didn't get many touches. I'd like to see him run at the full backs from the likes of Everton, Portsmouth, Wolves, Burnley, West Ham etc. before the Cyprus match.
According to the commentator on NewsTalk, he ran into Bosingwa at one point!
eirebhoy
24/08/2009, 11:42 AM
Outside of the Fulham defence Duff was their most involved player which is good.
fu1ham
24/08/2009, 10:43 PM
It was a very poor Fulham performance. Duff got virtually no service either from midfield or from LB Konchesky. Ballack dominated the entire game although Damien did manage Fulham's only shot on target , more of a 20-yard backpass really. Lots of hands-on-hips as well. Next up is Villa , whose RB doesn't look in the same class as Bosingwa.
Umberside
24/08/2009, 10:45 PM
It was a very poor Fulham performance. Duff got virtually no service either from midfield or from LB Konchesky. Ballack dominated the entire game although Damien did manage Fulham's only shot on target , more of a 20-yard backpass really. Lots of hands-on-hips as well. Next up is Villa , whose RB doesn't look in the same class as Bosingwa.
One couldn't expect a good performance when playing Chelsea to be fair :o
tetsujin1979
27/08/2009, 2:41 PM
duff and Kelly start for Fulham in the Europa Cup, you can follow the live match tracker on fulham's web site here: http://www.fulhamfc.com/MatchAndTeam/MatchCentre/Matches/0910/EuropaLeague/AmkarPermAway.aspx?min=true
eirebhoy
27/08/2009, 5:34 PM
Fulham are into the groups. Good stuff.
robbie_B
08/09/2009, 8:55 AM
Bjorn Helge Riise launches attack on Fulham team-mate Damien Duff... training next week should be interesting.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/07/riise-fulham-damien-duff-attack
Razors left peg
08/09/2009, 8:59 AM
Bjorn Helge Riise launches attack on Fulham team-mate Damien Duff... training next week should be interesting.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/07/riise-fulham-damien-duff-attack
What a muppet :rolleyes:
irishfan86
08/09/2009, 9:06 AM
"I believe I have better qualities and strengths as a player than he does. He has the speed and the experience, and a good shot."
Speed and a good shot? What player is he watching?
Duggie
08/09/2009, 9:07 AM
tosser
should be dumped into the reserves for a while, let him rot there see how good he is.
seanfhear
08/09/2009, 10:07 AM
Bjorn Helge Riise launches attack on Fulham team-mate Damien Duff... training next week should be interesting.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/07/riise-fulham-damien-duff-attack
If this is true then it would be better if footballers did their talking on the pitch with their feet and the rest of their bodies.
Stuttgart88
08/09/2009, 10:08 AM
Speed and a good shot? What player is he watching?Exactly. He lost all credibility when he said Duff had a good shot!
geysir
08/09/2009, 10:49 AM
Credibility? he wasn't even selected in a poor Norway team against Iceland.
eirebhoy
08/09/2009, 10:52 AM
"I have a better technique, a better touch and deliver better passes"
A better touch than Damien Duff? haha it shows you all he knows about Duff tbh.
Razors left peg
08/09/2009, 11:17 AM
not exactly how I would go about settling my way into a new squad!
rambler14
08/09/2009, 11:22 AM
Is he in the squad tonight?
Murfinator
08/09/2009, 11:32 AM
That doesn't make any sense. He praised Duff's speed and shooting which are probably his two weakest aspects and criticised his strongest skills in his touch and technique? :confused:
The Legend
08/09/2009, 6:26 PM
on page 2, he's praising Stephen Ireland for his commitment and thinks Shay Given is too short to be any good. lol
Infadel
08/09/2009, 6:31 PM
Bjorn Helge Riise launches attack on Fulham team-mate Damien Duff... training next week should be interesting.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/07/riise-fulham-damien-duff-attack
Coming from a player who never appeared in a World Cup or won a premier league. Bjorn should just keep his mouth shut and show how good he is on the pitch nevermind bragging about himself.
Hodgson is around long enough to be able to deal with such tripe,I"d imagine or hope he"d be dumped into the reserves for a spell but tbh he has done himself more damage with comments like these-plank
Colbert Report
08/09/2009, 11:40 PM
In fairness, he has denied making these comments, so let's wait to see all the facts before we start having him train with the reserves!
super goal from the Duff man.
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