Damien Duff [Archive] - Page 9

Wolfie

20/01/2009, 12:41 PM

Duff has the quality to win a game for us with a moment of brilliance. He's not beyond being substituted, but he is beyond being dropped from the starting lineup.

I'm willing to debate McGeady's inclusion, but Duff must stay.

Just because he's not the Duff of the 2002 World Cup doesn't mean he's not our best winger. He is.

Yep - you just have to recall his run and cross for Keane's goal against the Cypriots. Put it on a plate for Keane.

We just don't release him to exploit space behind the opposition enough.

The amount of times our wingers receive the ball from a static position aggravates me no end.

The key to effective wing play is to release the winger while he's on the run beyond a player. This can negate double marking or quadrouple marking for that matter.

That said, we'd need our old friend Stephen Ireland in the team to help make this happen.

John83

20/01/2009, 6:21 PM

I don't think Duff really has the pace for that any more Wolfie.

Razors left peg

20/01/2009, 6:51 PM

I don't think Duff really has the pace for that any more Wolfie.

The goal he set up for Robbie against Cyprus was only a couple of months ago.... dont think hes lost much pace since then

John83

20/01/2009, 6:57 PM

...Cyprus...
Ah, yes.

richieos

20/01/2009, 7:50 PM

so, because duff was playing against cyprus, that means he wont have pace against other teams? hmm.

geysir

20/01/2009, 8:16 PM

Looks like a lazy 2 worded attempt at a putdown that manages to rise no higher than a retarded condescending remark about Cyprus.

There is a chance that it is an 'ah yes' as in Bisto so I'd keep an open mind.

paul_oshea

21/01/2009, 8:53 AM

hmmm, these people who go on about duff losing his pace dont obviouslly get to see him that often :rolleyes:

Just because he doesn't always go on a blistering run doesn't mean he still doesn't have pace, it might just possibly mean he doesnt have the same level of stamina and has to be more selective about the runs.

Wolfie

21/01/2009, 12:01 PM

Duffer can still cover the ground alright - particularly when he subconscisouly knows he won't be chasing lost causes all day and night like the preverbial mangy pet mutt.

McGeady is light years more effective when he receives the ball in mid flight as opposed to a standing start. He's less inclined to try and beat his marker 3 or 4 times in a row when he knows he's got the pace to beat him when the ball is played in front of him.

A simple argument but we'll struggle against Georgia if its not put right.

John83

22/01/2009, 3:02 AM

so, because duff was playing against cyprus, that means he wont have pace against other teams? hmm.
No.

Looks like a lazy 2 worded attempt at a putdown that manages to rise no higher than a retarded condescending remark about Cyprus.

There is a chance that it is an 'ah yes' as in Bisto so I'd keep an open mind.
The latter. Thank you. It's not often you find someone on the internet who can even acknowledge that his first impression of a post might be wrong.

hmmm, these people who go on about duff losing his pace dont obviouslly get to see him that often :rolleyes:

Just because he doesn't always go on a blistering run doesn't mean he still doesn't have pace, it might just possibly mean he doesnt have the same level of stamina and has to be more selective about the runs.
Jesus, you'd think I'd claimed he'd lost a leg. He's slower than he was. If you want to argue that he's not yet turned to stone, go right ahead, but quote the straw man, not me.

paul_oshea

22/01/2009, 9:19 AM

Or you might be covering yourself....

Noelys Guitar

22/01/2009, 12:53 PM

I have watched every Newcastle game since Duff came back from injury. He jumps out of tackles a lot. Against West Ham he was woeful (never once beat a defender) until Newcastle went 2-1 down. Then he singlehandedly brought Newcastle back into the game. He was brilliant for the last 35 mins of that game. Beat his defender every time. Created the equaliser. Has been Newcastle's most effective outfield player since he came back from injury. Is creating numerous chances for Owen (who almost always misses them). I am very happy with Duff's form at the moment and hope he stays injury free.

drummerboy

23/01/2009, 10:28 AM

I see Newcastle have signed Lovenkrands. Wonder if he will replace Duff.

Razors left peg

23/01/2009, 12:49 PM

I see Newcastle have signed Lovenkrands. Wonder if he will replace Duff.

Ya joking?

ShamrockIreland

29/01/2009, 7:36 PM

Did Duffer ever get dropped under mick? I know he was played up front around the 02 qualifiers and finals with kilbane on the left.I still rate him

craig7042

29/01/2009, 11:26 PM

He's been good this season, kept one of their other better players N'Zogbia out of team and looks like forced him out of the club. With all the problems Newcastle have now Duff they'll be in greater danger of losing him than replacing him.

He seemed to be back to his best in recent games for ireland. He brings something very different to the table for us.

drummerboy

30/01/2009, 8:21 AM

Newcastle are reportedly trying to offload Duff so they can sign Chris Commons from Derby according to some of the British rags.

elroy

30/01/2009, 9:05 AM

He's been good this season, kept one of their other better players N'Zogbia out of team and looks like forced him out of the club. With all the problems Newcastle have now Duff they'll be in greater danger of losing him than replacing him.

Cant see how anyone decent would be interested in him. Good player but pushing on now and no guarantee that he will be available for more than 50% of your games.

livehead1

30/01/2009, 10:41 AM

Newcastle are reportedly trying to offload Duff so they can sign Chris Commons from Derby according to some of the British rags.

Not in a million years an that story have any provenance. Commons is less than one tenth of the player Duff is, even in his current state. Kris Commons is lazy, ball greedy, and a poor passer. He also has absolutely no experience playing at the highest level. Not exactly the kind of player Newcastle need at the moment.

dr_peepee

30/01/2009, 10:51 AM

Did Duffer ever get dropped under mick?

He was surely. There were times when he was behind Kilbane and Kennedy.. In the play off against Turkey Rory Delap was in the starting 11 and Duff was on the bench. He only really "nailed" his place in the warm ups for 2002.

shakermaker1982

30/01/2009, 11:04 AM

Not in a million years an that story have any provenance. Commons is less than one tenth of the player Duff is, even in his current state. Kris Commons is lazy, ball greedy, and a poor passer. He also has absolutely no experience playing at the highest level. Not exactly the kind of player Newcastle need at the moment.

100 % agree with that. If it was April 1st I'd understand the rumour.

geysir

30/01/2009, 4:35 PM

He was surely. There were times when he was behind Kilbane and Kennedy.. In the play off against Turkey Rory Delap was in the starting 11 and Duff was on the bench. He only really "nailed" his place in the warm ups for 2002.
How can a sub be dropped from the first 11 when he hadn't yet made the starting 11.

Has a fit and available Duff been dropped since he nailed his place?

dr_peepee

04/02/2009, 10:17 AM

How can a sub be dropped from the first 11 when he hadn't yet made the starting 11.

Has a fit and available Duff been dropped since he nailed his place?

No... I don't get your point though? The dude asked was Duff ever dropped by Mick and he was... Wasn't a slight on him. More a comment on his position in relation to Kennedy and Delap at the time and the subsequent change in fortunes???

Unless we're getting bogged down on the difference between "Dropped" and "Not Starting"..... Jebus, More Agro.... If anyone wants me I'll be on the Robbie Keane thread rowing with Morbo and East Terracer.

geysir

04/02/2009, 10:43 AM

My point is simple Doc, afaia Duff hasn't been dropped since he started in the first 11, against Andorra?
As I said, before that he was used as a sub.

DeLorean

04/02/2009, 11:42 AM

Kris Commons is lazy, ball greedy, and a poor passer.

A bitter Forest fan by any chance??

DeLorean

04/02/2009, 11:44 AM

100 % agree with that. If it was April 1st I'd understand the rumour.

And possibly another one;)??

richieos

06/03/2009, 11:37 AM

does anyone know how long duff is out for? he hasnt played in newcastles past 2 games

Fizzer

06/03/2009, 11:46 AM

Calf injury apparently. Hope he's back to near full fitness by the 28th. Has been getting back to decent form for Ireland recently

http://www.nufcblog.com/2009/03/03/damien-duff-back-for-hull-city-game/
coach Chris Hughton told nufcTV on Tuesday morning that the next league game, which is the all important game at Hull City on March 14 is now the target for the Irish winger.

tetsujin1979

06/03/2009, 11:48 AM

Yeah, same on physioroom.com
D Duff Calf Muscle Strain 14th Mar 09

elroy

06/03/2009, 3:48 PM

Looking at the PL table there is now a distinct possibility that Duffer may be playing championship football next season. Every year there is always one team dragged into the bottom three near the very end of the season (reading, sheff utd etc) and i think newcastle could be in trouble.
Given Duff's wages and injury record its not likely a premier league club would snap him up either.

The Fly

06/03/2009, 3:56 PM

seanfhear

06/03/2009, 4:46 PM

Whilst Given certainly left Newcastle at the right time, (he should left years ago imo), I just can't see the club being relegated. In any case - if such an event were to airse, Duff would definately be bought by a Premier League club.
If they were satisfied that he would stay fit he would have no problem getting a move to a premier league club.

Colbert Report

06/03/2009, 11:10 PM

Crosby87

06/03/2009, 11:57 PM

I see now that he is a very very valuable part of our potential but looking back on it club wise, did you guys not think he would have had a better career?
I mean, injuries not with standing, he just seemed so destined for greatness to me at the World Cup.
This is silly, but a few months back, I went to Nevada Smiths (Which I never ever do wayyy to touristy) to watch Chelsea in the Champs league. Who walks in but Roman Abramonivich (hope I spelled that right) and some Russian model. I had no clue who he was at first and dont particularly care. But, he was a nice guy, ordering drinks for people, and I got a nice conversation in at halftime with him. I asked him about Duff, and he said, after a quick hesitation "Yeah, he just...what you see with him, you just think you will get more in the end." I said more goals? He said "Yes, more goals."
And thats the great conversation about Duff from one of the worlds richer men, and me, one of the worlds not richest men. Ha. Its true though.
I kind of agreed. People on here have said I am foolish as he is a set up guy but come on. He's always running around almost scoring or setting one up. Almost. I like him of course I just......I thought he would really go don as a great player. Maybe it's me. I admit of course, I certainly dont watch as much as you all.

irishfan86

07/03/2009, 12:05 AM

If Newcastle were relegated, I can see him agreeing to a massive wage cut in order to on with a promoted team like Birmingham or Reading.

I'd love to see him at Reading! They are going to be great next season in the Premiership.

Reading isn't going to happen. And I wouldn't want it to. We've got two left wingers there in Hunt and Tabb- I'd rather him go somewhere else.

Not a Coppell style buy either- Duff will hardly be value for money.

As for Reading being great next season in the Premiership, I'm not so sure. They can score tonnes of goals but are as shaky as ever at the back.

Unless a couple of high calibre defensive upgrades are made in the summer, I can see them struggling in the big time.

That is IF they get promoted. For me, Birmingham and Wolves are pretty ordinary sides and they are not proving themselves to be better than those two so far.

I like Coppell and the Irish contingent at Reading, but they will be hard pressed to get promoted, and if they do it they'll have a fight on their hands to stay up.

In my view Reading have taken steps back from their first promotion, losing key figures such as Shorey, Kitson, and most vitally, Sidwell.

People may argue that Noel Hunt has proven an able replacement for Kitson, and that would be hard to argue, but Sidwell and Shorey have not been replaced by better players.

EastTerracer

07/03/2009, 4:27 AM

I see now that he is a very very valuable part of our potential but looking back on it club wise, did you guys not think he would have had a better career?

I see you're trying the same topic again so I feel like I have to respond (again!). Don't put yourself down - I reckon you've probably seen as many games as Abramovich, if not the rest of us.

Rather than asking Abramovich I think Ranieri or Mourinho are the people who can best answer this question. Both managers had great praise for Duff's contribution to Chelsea under both of their reigns. From 2001-2005 he was a first choice at both Blackburn and then Chelsea and was one of the Blues' best players when they won their first league title in a very long time. He performed just as well as Lampard, Terry and better than many other 'galacticos'. Chelsea played a pretty atractive style of football with two wide players which they haven't lived up to in the last 4 years.

Unfortunately Damien got injured at a time when Chelsea changed their formation and Mourinho wasn't able to offer him a consistent place from then on. He chose to leave for first team football although Jose said he would have preferred him to stay. At Newcastle he missed the best part of two full seasons through injury but this year he's showing some of his old form (but a series of injuries has perhaps cost him a yard of pace).

I still don't think that you will find many Ireland fans who will agree with you about unfulfilled potential. Injuries haven't helped but for 7 years he's been an automatic choice and I don't think anyone here would argue that he isn't one of our Top-4 players (along with Shay, Dunne and Robbie Keane).

eirebhoy

07/03/2009, 10:36 AM

I kind of agreed. People on here have said I am foolish as he is a set up guy but come on. He's always running around almost scoring or setting one up. Almost. I like him of course I just......I thought he would really go don as a great player. Maybe it's me. I admit of course, I certainly dont watch as much as you all.

Independant.co.uk

It is telling that his most cherished games under Ranieri
were the home match against Newcastle and away to Lazio. "That was two
games on the bounce. It was the first time that Claudio kept the same team
all season. They were enjoyable, but there were also lots of others."

Duff was brilliant in those two matches, in which Chelsea scored nine
goals. In Rome, in particular, he was almost unplayable. Indeed, he was
brilliant for most of the first half of last season. When he played,
Chelsea played, and they scored at the same pace as Arsenal. In a team of
stars, opposition managers identified Duff as the danger - "We have to keep
him quiet," said Ars�ne Wenger.

"And then my shoulder gave way," Duff says, picking up the story, "and that
hampered me for the rest of the season, and the start of this. So that has
been a nightmare." The injury happened on 20 December and was followed by a
tear on his Achilles tendon - and then another fall on his shoulder. Still,
it was not until April that Thierry Henry, regarded as the most effective
goal-provider in the Premiership, as well as its top-scorer, overtook his
total of 15 assists.

Lauren of Arsenal said a few years ago that Giggs and Duff were the 2 toughest opponents he's ever faced. Stuart Parnaby said:
"I'd say Duff is just about the most difficult out-and-out winger you can face in the League. He's that good. It was tough out there."

Drogba called him "one hell of a footballer". Ranieri said that signing Robben would be like having 2 Damien Duff's. Duff was actually better than Robben during their outstanding period together imo.

Since '05 Duff has been a different player (at club level anyway) but before that he was world class and certainly one of the best wingers in the world.

dr_peepee

07/03/2009, 2:29 PM

Has he got much left on his contract at Newcastle?? I wouldn't say it's enough to maintain an inflated transfer fee. Wages would be the only reason Duff couldn't move on should they ever be relegated so, injuries aside, he has some measure of control over the rest of his career...

Colbert Report

07/03/2009, 3:06 PM

According to this article, he has another two and a bit years left on his deal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/5204958.stm

Crosby87

07/03/2009, 7:31 PM

I see you're trying the same topic again so I feel like I have to respond (again!). Don't put yourself down - I reckon you've probably seen as many games as Abramovich, if not the rest of us.

Sorry I forgot I brought this up already. apparently on friday nights I drink more beer than sinead occonors baby daddies.

One thing though to the above poster who is supporting the arguement that Duff is good by saying how hard he is to play against i mean then why isnt he reponsible for more goals. You know what the award for playing hard is called? The who cares award. Or in the NHL the Lady Bing Trophy.
I do think he is good but i would feel no happiness if we lose to Italy 2-0 and Duffer played well tried hard and ALMOST set up a few goals.......

Colbert Report

07/03/2009, 8:16 PM

Sorry I forgot I brought this up already. apparently on friday nights I drink more beer than sinead occonors baby daddies.

One thing though to the above poster who is supporting the arguement that Duff is good by saying how hard he is to play against i mean then why isnt he reponsible for more goals. You know what the award for playing hard is called? The who cares award. Or in the NHL the Lady Bing Trophy.
I do think he is good but i would feel no happiness if we lose to Italy 2-0 and Duffer played well tried hard and ALMOST set up a few goals.......

No, the Lady Bing is awarded to the NHL's most gentlemanly player, ie. the top point producer with the fewest PIMs. Pavel Datsyuk has one it three times in a row now and is a lock to win it again this year.

John83

07/03/2009, 8:33 PM

...One thing though to the above poster who is supporting the arguement that Duff is good by saying how hard he is to play against i mean then why isnt he reponsible for more goals...

Do you mean this bit?

..."And then my shoulder gave way," Duff says, picking up the story, "and that hampered me for the rest of the season, and the start of this. So that has been a nightmare." The injury happened on 20 December and was followed by a tear on his Achilles tendon - and then another fall on his shoulder. Still, it was not until April that Thierry Henry, regarded as the most effective goal-provider in the Premiership, as well as its top-scorer, overtook his total of 15 assists...

Crosby87

08/03/2009, 5:53 PM

No, the Lady Bing is awarded to the NHL's most gentlemanly player, ie. the top point producer with the fewest PIMs. Pavel Datsyuk has one it three times in a row now and is a lock to win it again this year.

I know most players would be mortified to win it is what i mean. Its a useless award. Scott Stevens said he would rather have a sister who was a prostitute than that thing on his mantle!!

Colbert Report

08/03/2009, 8:38 PM

I know most players would be mortified to win it is what i mean. Its a useless award. Scott Stevens said he would rather have a sister who was a prostitute than that thing on his mantle!!

That's because Scott Stevens was nothing but a thug. He's the kind of player that lunatic Don Cherry would like. Guys like Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Datsyuk etc are much more skilled player who don't have to resort to thuggery to get by in the game.