Damien Duff

[Crosby87]

Need some new blood. Who else will follow DD into the sunset?

[CraftyToePoke]

He is one I was hoping would stay. Then again maybe the lads most likely to retire would like to play bit parts, help a new team emerge but if they remain available Trap will change nothing, or not enough.

[geysir]

It's a nice thought if he could move into the middle, but it's not realistic is it?
Belgium had an old player (Van something) who they recalled to their team for their 1980 Euro campaign to play at CM, I think he had played out wide previous.

The old days were better, more respect for your elders.

[Murfinator]

Looking at some of our tournament statistics its very revealing as to just how important Duff is for us (http://greenscene.me/2012/06/irelands-euro-2012-statistics/)

- He's one of only 4 starting players with a passing % of greater than 80.
- He presents himself as a receiver better than anyone, being our top pass target.
- He has the joint highest successful passes in the final 3rd. Almost double as many as McGeady.
- He delivered more successful crosses then the rest of our team put together.
- He was in our top 5 for interceptions made, bizarrely ahead of both fullbacks.
- He was our most fouled player, winning 9 free kicks. 2 more then anyone else.

I don't even want to imagine what this team would be like without him.

[SkStu]

You won't have to imagine for much longer I'm afraid... Huge loss.

[tricky_colour]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc12/poguemahone85/AwKGcAQCIAIW_sD.jpg

Not sure if he is injured again or plans to stay on rather than retire as I don't have page 64.

[The Fly]

Jesus wept!

Why don't you open up a 'Page 64 & - does anybody have them?' thread.

[Acornvilla]

But its not a topic about his inability to walk away.

[tricky_colour]

Jesus wept!

Why don't you open up a 'Page 64 & - does anybody have them?' thread.

Because if I bury it in a tread nobody will ever see it.

It means anyone coming to the forum has to open even play thread and every other mass thread
and read it backwards to find out what is going on.

Anyhow page 64 cover 2 separate topics.

You will notice that even newspapers do not intermingle topics like that because it is ludicrous idea, why people fail to see this never creases to amaze me, seems like a case fo mass brainwashing.
if you don't believe me ask any new paper proprietor, phone up Rupert Murdoch and ask he why he does do that in his newspapers. I expect his answers would be along the lines of:

"Because I don't want to got bankrupt"

or

"Because I am not $%*!ing mental"

Neither am I.

Jesus would be weeping if the four Gospels were all mangled into to one, believe me!! :chuncky:

[Acornvilla]

Or your posting in the Duff topic will bump it to the very top of the list. If anyone cares about Damien's walking habits they can find it there quite easily there after.

[The Fly]

Because if I bury it in a tread nobody will ever see it.

It means anyone coming to the forum has to open even play thread and every other mass thread
and read it backwards to find out what is going on.


If you post it in the Damian Duff thread then anyone who is interested can view it, comment on it, or discuss it, if they so wish.

The arrows before each thread title allow the user to go directly to the first new post made subsequent to their previous viewing.

To aid you, cast your eyes to the white arrows contained in the blue box after your username name in the quotation box above. They are pointing Eastwards. Each thread has a similar symbol before the thread title. Only this time the arrows point Southwards and are displayed on a blue disc as opposed to a blue box. Click on that and you will arrive at the first new post in each thread. If no such symbol appears before the thread title, then there are no new posts for you to read.

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If this post is successful it's bound to be worth a nomination for POTM!?

[tricky_colour]

The problem is nobody know whether it is something new they might be interested in or some
fairly meaningless post at the end of and old topic they are no longer interested in.
It just does not work very well.
Any how I did that on the Darren Gibson thread and I starts me off with the page 65 story
but with a lot more info. ( had a bit of deja vu)

Ideally that would have all been in one thread (perhaps) as it relates to specific story affecting several players and the team. Actually the bit about Duff which I started a thread on, is actually a separate story, so I think I am justified in starting a tread on that.

I actually had not used the go to last post button before because I never knew it was there but that does not really change my views, I still do not know if I am reading an old story I am no longer interested in or a new one I would be very interested in.

Anyway a bit of an aside form that. This is what was posted in the Gibson thread which was very interesting to me.



by Paul Rowan

.....Last week we felt that Trapattoni deserved the benefit of the doubt, but since then the reservations have grown stronger. Neither Ireland's fans, nor players who broke ranks during that time, only the manager sought to wash his hands of responsibility for Ireland matching the worst ever showing of any team at the Euros and highlighted further failures of the players instead.

Having said that the players were playing with 'fear' and the 'jersey was too heavy' he then identified a lack of leadership and after the Italy game was saying; "if I tell the truth it would seem that I want to humiliate people". Not a single Irish player managed to raise his game for the Euros and some of them underperformed, which was the most disappointing aspect for those who didn't lose sight of the fact that Ireland were in an extremely tough group and were likely to lose all three matches.

Trapattoni also had an extremely poor tournament and his efforts to preserve his own reputation at the expense of others has lowered him in the eyes of the players. Richard Dunne is believed to have been unhappy with the way the campaign was run and had exchanges after the Italy game with Trapattoni. Senior players advised him to go holiday with his family rather than make any rash decisions about his Ireland future. There was unhappiness about the hotel in the middle of the resort town of Sopot - revelling Irish fans actually kept some of the players awake the night before the Spain game - but the players didn't want to be seen to be whingeing. However, what made them most unhappy was the long camp and the fact that they considered themselves overworked after a long season.

Darron Gibson, form instance, reported to Dublin two days after he played the last Premier League game of the season for Everton on May 13. It's belived he asked Trapattoni if he could report the following Sunday along with the rest of the Premier League players - for one thing he had been invited along with Robbie Keane and others to Glenn Whelan's wedding on the Saturday - but was told in no uncertain terms to show up as instructed. Gibson didn't see a moment of action in the Euros and asked the manager the night of the Spain game if he had a problem with him.

The Italy game in Poznan has thrown up a new problem which will focus plenty of attention on Gibson. Some commentators along with Trapattoni pointed up an improvement in the performance level, but whatever it was escaped this particular observer. The mistakes at the back have been a standout feature, but even more glaring has been Ireland's lack of any goalscoring threat in all three games.

UEFA statistics credit Ireland with two shots on target against Italy, but it's difficult to remember either and Keith Andrew's petulant blasting of the ball into the crowd after he had been dismissed was one of the times Ireland got closest to scoring. He is automatically banned for Ireland's opening World Cup qualifying game against Kazakhstan in September but UEFA will probably be minded to put a few more on top of that after reading the referee's report. Gibson will be needed more than ever, but is believed to be considering his future under Trapattoni. The player himself is maintaining an unhappy silence. "I have nothing to say about that," he remarked when asked about his international future.

Important people continue to back Trapattoni in his dealings with Gibson and everybody else. Denis O'Brien, who pays half Trapattoni's wages, says he is delighted with his investment, scotching any thoughts that he might consider a different manager. The FAI too won't get rid of Trapattoni, unless the crowd in Dublin turns on the manager a it did in the case of Mick McCarthy and Steve Staunton. In that case, he would probably go quite quickly, so a good start to the qualifying campaign is vital if Trapattoni is to stay on board.

I always though there was some problems in the camp for some reasons, the players did not seem happy at all and I believe it affected their play.

The thing about Darren Gibson missing Glenn Whelan wedding I find disturbing.
I expect it upset Whelan as well as Gibson, and that it affected his play.

[tricky_colour]

Actually as you posted that yourself, I am sure you probably don't want to see it again :)
(didn't notice at the time).

Anyhow you have a story which affects several players, the team the manager and the tournament
at the same time, and it kind of proves my point as it fits into numerous treads.
Which is why I believe the threads should be based on 'the story', because that is essentially what
people are interest in, and it is much easier to read if separate story are kept separate, even if they are about
the same player, manager, tournament or whatever.

Anyhow thanks for posting that article, it is probably the big story of the tournament.

[The Fly]

I still do not know if I am reading an old story I am no longer interested in or a new one I would be very interested in.

Well click it and find out! This is the tried and trusted method employed by the vast majority of users.



Anyway a bit of an aside form that. This is what was posted in the Gibson thread which was very interesting to me.

The thing about Darren Gibson missing Glenn Whelan wedding I find disturbing.
I expect it upset Whelan as well as Gibson, and that it affected his play.

The article doesn't state that he missed the wedding.

[SkStu]

So you started a thread about a headline you saw and provided no further information relating to the article the headline is referring to and no insight whatsoever related to the player who this thread is supposedly about?

You, sir, are a [insert 4 stars].

[paul_oshea]

One interesting point to take from all this, and something that i dont think has been pointed out before, but the leetle details and all that are a load of crap. The players looked fatigued in all 3 games, and lacked any spark, they were jaded, and all this perperation was a load of crap. An awful lot of what people respected Trap for and said he was getting right, backfired enormously in this campaign. I hope he can get it right quickly for the start of the qualifiers.

[Schumi]

Not sure if he is injured again

In fairness, that was funny.

[Stuttgart88]

I genuinely have no idea where to look for what stories in the last few days.

This forum has become a mess.

[BonnieShels]

With Stutts on this. TC its becoming a joke how at this stage.
Only you out of all the regular users on this forum seem to have difficulty with the processes involved.
The best thing about this forum is the continuity afforded by the lack of constant be threads.
Now give up.

[tetsujin1979]

can the mods remove the "create new post" option for users?

[Murfinator]

can the mods remove the "create new post" option for users?

There are mods here? The only one I've seen is the guy who posts exclusively complaining about Delaney.

[Acornvilla]

We defo need an extra mod in this section, there's only 1 at the moment, place needs a good clean up after the last few days of pointless topics popping up all over the shop, its getting on my nerves too.

[tricky_colour]

We defo need an extra mod in this section, there's only 1 at the moment, place needs a good clean up after the last few days of pointless topics popping up all over the shop, its getting on my nerves too.


Perhaps you shoudl see a psychiatrist ?

Sounds like obsessive compulsive disorder to me.

The form has always been like that, people are just getting upset because Ireland lost.

If you removed all the pointless threads and posts you would be pretty much down to the ads.

The forum like our playing style is too inflexible we need to be able to adapt to different styles
with a more flexible approach.

The old style of rigidly enforced roles and discipline does not work in the modern game
the Spanish team are always changing shape and style.

[Stuttgart88]

Tricky, you could just gracefully accept that the constant thread hopping is annoying a lot of people and say fair enough. We'll all move on and everything will be grand.

[tricky_colour]

Well click it and find out! This is the tried and trusted method employed by the vast majority of users.



The article doesn't state that he missed the wedding.


"but was told in no uncertain terms to show up as instructed." that pretty much indicates he missed the wedding unless it stated otherwise.

[p2011]

I don't post often here, generally just read along, and I have to agree and say - as a complete neutral - that new threads for topics that already have established threads are really annoying and that t_c should take a back seat for a few days. If things continue as they are, foot.ie will descend to the lowest common denominator that seems to be the level of a lot of internet forums. We don't need a new thread for every bit of wild speculation.

And, folks, at least try to check your spelling and grammar and facts (last 8 in 2002 would have been nice, but it didn't happen) before you post, read your post once over before hitting "send" - after all, if your post shows that you put a bit of care into it, it's more likely other readers will take it seriously.

[tricky_colour]

can the mods remove the "create new post" option for users?

Yes but them we will have to stick with the same players and manager for the next 2,000,000 years!!!

[tricky_colour]

I don't post often here, generally just read along, and I have to agree and say - as a complete neutral - that new threads for topics that already have established threads are really annoying and that t_c should take a back seat for a few days. If things continue as they are, foot.ie will descend to the lowest common denominator that seems to be the level of a lot of internet forums. We don't need a new thread for every bit of wild speculation.

And, folks, at least try to check your spelling and grammar and facts (last 8 in 2002 would have been nice, but it didn't happen) before you post, read your post once over before hitting "send" - after all, if your post shows that you put a bit of care into it, it's more likely other readers will take it seriously.

First off there are no topics, topics have effectively been banned and threads have to be on players names or a few other
things which in themselves are not a topic rather a group of topics.

Fact is there are very few people who support you idea unless we are to believe the forum consists of a handful of people
(a damming incitement in itself).

The forum no longer has a "number of people viewing" a thread anymore, maybe because it is embarrassingly low number.
Unsurprisingly when the forum is totally unnavigable.

And as you hardly ever post here that does not give much validity to your view, which is not based on any valid argument
rather than on a number of logical fallacies.

Just because you are also wrong does not make an invalid view right.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-belief.html


Appeal to Belief is a fallacy that has this general pattern:

Most people believe that a claim, X, is true.
Therefore X is true.

And you have not even established most people agree with you, those who disagree are likely to have left the forum.


I can't be expected t read ever post in every thread to see if a point has been made before.
That's just insane.


But clearly as you base your arguments on false logic there is little point discussing it with you or those of similar minds

You can't have a logical discussion with some who does not use logic.

[Stuttgart88]

Welcome to the madhouse p2011!

Post more often - you make sense to me.

[geysir]

A part of the madness is that members keep posting in the off the cuff threads and yet bemoan the thread overgrowth.

[EAFC_rdfl]

First off there are no topics, topics have effectively been banned and threads have to be on players names or a few other
things which in themselves are not a topic rather a group of topics.

Fact is there are very few people who support you idea unless we are to believe the forum consists of a handful of people
(a damming incitement in itself).

The forum no longer has a "number of people viewing" a thread anymore, maybe because it is embarrassingly low number.
Unsurprisingly when the forum is totally unnavigable.

And as you hardly ever post here that does not give much validity to your view, which is not based on any valid argument
rather than on a number of logical fallacies.

Just because you are also wrong does not make an invalid view right.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-belief.html



And you have not even established most people agree with you, those who disagree are likely to have left the forum.


I can't be expected t read ever post in every thread to see if a point has been made before.
That's just insane.


But clearly as you base your arguments on false logic there is little point discussing it with you or those of similar minds

You can't have a logical discussion with some who does not use logic.

It sure is!!!! :doh::highly_amused: Though maybe T_C is being unbelievably clever here by stating that the people trying to block (dam) him from making new threads are leading him to make these angry replies (incitement). BOOM BOOM!!!!

Anyway, Im like the other poster, I dont post very much, but I agree with everything they outlined about the new thread creation craic. I guess that means the above quoted sh1te applies to me as well. See, there are quite a few people reading these forums regularly without posting regularly

[boovidge]

My 2 cents: One of the reasons I use this forum is because it's relatively better organised than others and there aren't dozens of threads on the same thing or threads with quasi cryptic titles from attention seeking posters. If we're talking about Damien Duff then it makes sense to use the "Damien Duff" thread probably...

[p2011]

First off there are no topics, topics have effectively been banned and threads have to be on players names or a few other
things which in themselves are not a topic rather a group of topics.

Fact is there are very few people who support you idea unless we are to believe the forum consists of a handful of people
(a damming incitement in itself).

The forum no longer has a "number of people viewing" a thread anymore, maybe because it is embarrassingly low number.
Unsurprisingly when the forum is totally unnavigable.

And as you hardly ever post here that does not give much validity to your view, which is not based on any valid argument
rather than on a number of logical fallacies.

Just because you are also wrong does not make an invalid view right.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-belief.html



And you have not even established most people agree with you, those who disagree are likely to have left the forum.


I can't be expected t read ever post in every thread to see if a point has been made before.
That's just insane.


But clearly as you base your arguments on false logic there is little point discussing it with you or those of similar minds

You can't have a logical discussion with some who does not use logic.


In my opinion, the forum has gone to pot over the last 7 days. That's my opinion. Seems simple enough and logic (or logical fallacy etc. etc.) sounds like way too big a word for it. Others seem to agree. And don't tell me or anyone else they don't have "validity" because they don't post that often, that's just plain unacceptable.

[p2011]

PS: I'm out of this discussion now. It's only wasting others' time and I think we're into the area of trolling at this stage.

Back on topic:
There should be a statue erected to the Duffer in Dublin if he does hang up the Ireland boots at the 100 mark. His attitude in Poland was A1 from start to finish. Pity he has had a relatively unfulfilled career. Would like to see more the team spread around the continent winning trophies rather than sitting out time at Newcastle and the like in England.

[ChrisRed]

PS: Pity he has had a relatively unfulfilled career. .

2 Premier League Titles, 2 League Cups, 1 Charity Shield, Europa Cup runner up with nearly 70 European performances would argue different.

[CraftyToePoke]

2 Premier League Titles, 2 League Cups, 1 Charity Shield, Europa Cup runner up with nearly 70 European performances would argue different.

Yes, all true and he has of course had a very fine career with hopefully more to come. However just as an example, he and Arjen Robben are of similar age and in their Chelsea days were evenly matched for much of it in terms of contribution. Since then Robben has won titles and cups in both Spain and Germany. Duff has not, I think he has never let us down in an Ireland shirt, but it would have been brilliant to see him have that type of club career also. He was good enough.

[geysir]

Twice World Cup player of the tournament, in his position.

[ChrisRed]

No reason why he can't continue, Giggs has played 200 games since he was 33 and won 10 trophies. No signs of letting up either.

[Closed Account 2]

Mladen Petric has signed for Fulham, in theory he can play in Duffs position, but more likely (and his more orthodox position) the Croatian will be a striker, as they missed out on getting Pogrebnyak permanently.

[Kingdom]

Yes, all true and he has of course had a very fine career with hopefully more to come. However just as an example, he and Arjen Robben are of similar age and in their Chelsea days were evenly matched for much of it in terms of contribution. Since then Robben has won titles and cups in both Spain and Germany. Duff has not, I think he has never let us down in an Ireland shirt, but it would have been brilliant to see him have that type of club career also. He was good enough.

Robben is 28; Duffer 33.

[CraftyToePoke]

Robben is 28; Duffer 33.

Cant believe Robben is only that, must be the bald napper on him.

[tricky_colour]

My 2 cents: One of the reasons I use this forum is because it's relatively better organised than others and there aren't dozens of threads on the same thing or threads with quasi cryptic titles from attention seeking posters. If we're talking about Damien Duff then it makes sense to use the "Damien Duff" thread probably...

First off, I didn't see the Damien Duff thread, nobody has posted to it for 5 days, people had lost interest in his thread.

Secondly, the mods can always more my thread into the Damien duff thread if they so wish.

Thirdly if I search on Damien duff he is mentioned in 250+ threads, are those all to be made into one thread? No because they also mention other
players the reality is things which people want to talk about do not always fall into a particular single category. It's complex.

Fourthly People complain about the proliferation of threads and the apparent solution of to this is to bung a load of threads into one big thread.
Now that does not solve the problem it just makes it worse, you still have the exact same number of threads but now they are all mangled
into one big ball of spaghetti in a super thread.
So it achieves little apart from a superficial appearance of order in the forum. However once a thread is opened that appearance of order soon
disappears into a bunch of mangled threads which are hard to read because they switch from one topic to another from post to post.
Often people do not even bother to quote the post the are replying to and another post is made in the meantime and it looks like they are
replying to them. The result an ugly mess.

That is made worse by a crappy editor which is not wiziwig so that you get spurious carriage returns all over the place. It does not have to be like that because I myself have wrote a much better editor than that
(still have the source code :D )

Furthermore the whole design of this vBulletin Solutions forums is rubbish, it is not properly threaded as for example the usenet forums are, which are much easier to navigate.


5. To use the forum as intended I have to open up and read a whole lot of threads whose content I may have no interest in whatsoever. So it seem to me that I and other "sensible people" :) are far more put out
than the people who find having to read a brief thread title a major psychological challanege.
Just baffles me why someone would want to persist with an obviously crappy system, but then let's not drag Trap into this ;)


6. When I explain my reasoning I never really get any logically valid responses, which does not really surprise me lol, I guess people just do not know why they like what I consider a to be an even worse system, so for me is a bit like trying to reason with some who has been brainwashed by Church of Scientology or whatever, it's not gonna happen.

[tetsujin1979]

First off, I didn't see the Damien Duff thread, nobody has posted to it for 5 days, people had lost interest in his thread.Or people were more interested in other threads


Secondly, the mods can always more my thread into the Damien duff thread if they so wish.In case you haven't noticed, there's only one mod for the International forum


Thirdly if I search on Damien duff he is mentioned in 250+ threads, are those all to be made into one thread? No because they also mention other
players the reality is things which people want to talk about do not always fall into a particular single category. It's complex.That's why we have a sticky at the top of the forum with links to each player's thread.


Fourthly People complain about the proliferation of threads and the apparent solution of to this is to bung a load of threads into one big thread.
Now that does not solve the problem it just makes it worse, you still have the exact same number of threads but now they are all mangled
into one big ball of spaghetti in a super thread.
So it achieves little apart from a superficial appearance of order in the forum. However once a thread is opened that appearance of order soon
disappears into a bunch of mangled threads which are hard to read because they switch from one topic to another from post to post.
Often people do not even bother to quote the post the are replying to and another post is made in the meantime and it looks like they are
replying to them. The result an ugly mess.Everybody else seems fine with it


That is made worse by a crappy editor which is not wiziwig so that you get spurious carriage returns all over the place. It does not have to be like that because I myself have wrote a much better editor than that
(still have the source code :D )wiziwig editors would be massive drain on system resources, both client and server. For simple text replies, all the options you really need are in the existing editor


Furthermore the whole design of this vBulletin Solutions forums is rubbish, it is not properly threaded as for example the usenet forums are, which are much easier to navigate.If you're using usenet as an example of a "proper" forum, you've got bigger problems, I stopped using that particular mess before 2000


5. To use the forum as intended I have to open up and read a whole lot of threads whose content I may have no interest in whatsoever.So write a plugin


So it seem to me that I and other "sensible people" :) are far more put out than the people who find having to read a brief thread title a major psychological challanege.
Just baffles me my someone would want to persist with an obviously crappy system, but then let's not drag Trap into this ;)

6. When I explain my reasoning I never really get any logically valid responses, which does not really surprise me lol, I guess people just do not know why they like what I consider a to be an even worse system, so for me is a bit like trying to reason with some who has been brainwashed by Church of Scientology or whatever, it's not gonna happen.Seriously, if you think this is a crappy system, try the soccer forum on boards.ie.

[brine3]

Fine storm here in this teacup.

[ChrisRed]

What about that Stephen Ireland chap......

[ChrisRed]

Great bit of news: http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/07/03/Duff-available-for-Ireland/gnid-146691/

[the bear]

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/7861589/Duff-No-Republic-retirement

[Stuttgart88]

Good on him. Would be great to see him in the LOI when he sees the time as right.

[BonnieShels]

At Bray of course.

[Murfinator]

I'm going to play until I drop.

This is exactly the kind of attitude I wish every player had, an example as ever Damien.

Now time to revisit that whole "duff into centre mid" business again. ;)