Troy Parrott F AZ Alkmaar b.2002

[Eirambler]

The only surprise is that some people are still surprised. His advisors should be making it clear that if there's no prospect of minutes or a loan move there's no prospect of him signing a contract.

[tommy_c12000]

That is no surprise and to be fair jose has been more than clear that troy parrot will not be playing

“It's possible that he is selected for the game.”

Yes, crystal clear.....

[DCWA]

The only surprise is that some people are still surprised. His advisors should be making it clear that if there's no prospect of minutes or a loan move there's no prospect of him signing a contract.

Call me old fashioned but a 17 year old at the Champions League finalists might be better served keeping their head down neck wound in and keep grafting, not advising their representatives to push for a move or threatening to not sign a contract.

Parrott got game time against Colchester and was poor as Spurs were embarrassed and neither Pochettino or Mourinho, two top managers have seen enough to give him much more.

Keep training keep trying keep playing if you are good enough and apply yourself in the right way the chance will come.

[Eirambler]

There's sense in that alright but he's hardly playing any football at all, not even for the Under 23s. Add that to a manager with a track record of ignoring young up and coming players and there's a lot to be concerned about, even though he is just 17 (18 in a few days time).

It's obvious that there is no route to meaningful first team football for him at Spurs at the moment. I find it mystifying though that they won't let him go out on loan for a few months for game time. Somewhere like QPR, who are about to lose Nahki Wells and need a forward in, would be a great short term move.

[Charlie Darwin]

Call me old fashioned but a 17 year old at the Champions League finalists might be better served keeping their head down neck wound in and keep grafting, not advising their representatives to push for a move or threatening to not sign a contract.

Parrott got game time against Colchester and was poor as Spurs were embarrassed and neither Pochettino or Mourinho, two top managers have seen enough to give him much more.

Keep training keep trying keep playing if you are good enough and apply yourself in the right way the chance will come.
I couldn't agree Parrott was poor against Colchester, in his first-ever senior football game at the age of 17.

[DCWA]

I couldn't agree Parrott was poor against Colchester, in his first-ever senior football game at the age of 17.

Perhaps a tad harsh there I will accept that but he certainly done nothing against League two opposition to suggest he is ready for Premier League football (obviously neither Poch or Mourinho have seen it either) and for a manager who’s sole focus is results and try to climb back into the top 4 a proven experienced and in Son at least world class square-ish peg in a round hole is a better option.

I just don’t think we have much ground for complaint with Spurs. The player seems content, the club are happy with him and notions of possibly turning down a contract at club at that level as a 17 year old I can’t fathom at all.

[zero]

Linked with a load to Charlton in the daily mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7931581/Tottenhams-highly-rated-starlet-Troy-Parrott-wanted-loan-Championship-Charlton-Athletic.html

Am not a big reader of same so unsure how reliable/informed or otherwise their football news/rumours are.

[tommy_c12000]

Has been linked on and off with Charlton, who are interested. Idah been linked with Charlton as well. Key barrier is whether Spurs willing to let him leave or not. He turns 18 after the transfer window which is awkward, as can’t sign new long term deal until then.

Don’t think Mourinho will allow him leave, perhaps will depend on what they bring in, which is nothing so far. After all, Mourinho has him in a “specialized programme” to ready him for first team football, big opportunities await themselves starting from the FA cup replay vs Southampton....

[Diggs246]

He turns 18 after the transfer window which is awkward, as can’t sign new long term deal until then.


Why? he has already sign a pro contract

[tommy_c12000]

He turns 18 after the transfer window which is awkward, as can’t sign new long term deal until then.


Why? he has already sign a pro contract

A game of cat and mouse until then. Spurs potentially more reluctant to loan him in case he “lights things up” (or even with Spurs themselves if he played first team prior to 18) and he returns to spurs in summer with the world at his feet and only 12 months left on his contract; and from the players standpoint, he can’t sign before the transfer window with stipulations included such as a loan move this week. Obviously a fear from player is that he gets left in no man’s land until next summer once he signs the long term contract after transfer window closes. That’s my take on it anyways.

Either way, I remain optimistic. Parrott will be okay, his talent will shine through. Mourinho taking things nice a slowly with him, optimizing him before unleashing him onto the premier league stage...

[Razors left peg]

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-qpr-make-move-to-sign-third-spurs-player-after-mourinho-19-20-green-light/

Linked with QPR here, be a good move for him

[samhaydenjr]

Well, I guess if Parrott goes to Charlton or QPR and hits the ground running, then I can forgive Mourinho - it's probably too late for him to feature in the play-offs anyway, so might as well get him some first-team football so he's ready to step up when Kenny takes over from Mick

[eekers]

Spurs fan here.
He hasn't a chance of progressing at Spurs and he just needs to look across the dressing room at Kyle Walker Peters to look at what can happen talented young players at Spurs.

Walker Peters was a heavily touted right back that won the U20 World Cup with England playing out of position at left back because he was seen as that good.
But at 19 Spurs stopped playing him in any underage games. Instead he travelled with the senior squad.
He is now 22 and hasn't played regularly for 3 seasons. A few minutes here and there. He has completely regressed as player. He was much better at 19 than he is now.

There have been situations were family members of young players have gone into Spurs to beg they that be allowed to be loaned out.

This is the trap for Parrott if he signs a long term deal next week. Mourinho has talked about him being ready in 3 years! Parrott has only played 1 game (u18 FA youth Cup) in 8 weeks. He is on the Walker Peters route. How can he ever be match fit surviving on only training.

The plan from Spurs and Mourinho was the debut and whole theatre of giving him a the matchday ball would be enough to get him to sign a contract. Fool him into thinking he was on the verge of something. But Kane's injury has shown up how Mourinho really sees him.

Spurs will no doubt sign a new striker before Friday. Spurs have to register their squad for the champions knock out rounds on 3 February 2020 (the day before Parrott turns 18). Parrott will lose his place in the squad to fit on one of Vorm, Bergwijn and whoever the new striker will be.

I would be shocked if he signed a long term contract. Either he is being badly advised or he has that much confidence in himself that he can break through against all the evidence that it's nearly impossible under Mourinho and Spurs.

[DeLorean]

Interesting post. Who's to blame though? Obviously Pochettino, and Pochettino only, can be blamed (if that's the right word, maybe he just wasn't as good as the alternatives) for not playing Walker Peters? Whose fault is it that he didn't play with the U23's or go out on loan? Is it some sort of club policy? Or was it just a case of Poch not wanting to use or lose him?

[eekers]

This is gonna sound ridiculous but it's significant Troy Parrott is back wearing white sock in Spurs training today.
When Spurs youth team players are training with the first team they are made continue to wear blue youth team socks.
It's a sign of status within the squad.
Back on the 29th November Mourinho promoted 3 players Tanganga, Skipp and Parrott to wearing white socks in training. https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/11/29/some-tottenham-fans-think-jose-mourinho-has-promoted-two-spurs-t/
But for the last two weeks Parrott has been seen training in youth team blue socks again amid talk of him not signing a contract.
But today with the talk of him making a deal that he would be allowed to go out on loan in exchange for signing a new contract he is pictures back wearing senior team white socks.

I expect the loan move to QPR or Charlton is in the offing

[seanfhear]

This is gonna sound ridiculous but it's significant Troy Parrott is back wearing white sock in Spurs training today.
When Spurs youth team players are training with the first team they are made continue to wear blue youth team socks.
It's a sign of status within the squad.
Back on the 29th November Mourinho promoted 3 players Tanganga, Skipp and Parrott to wearing white socks in training. https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/11/29/some-tottenham-fans-think-jose-mourinho-has-promoted-two-spurs-t/
But for the last two weeks Parrott has been seen training in youth team blue socks again amid talk of him not signing a contract.
But today with the talk of him making a deal that he would be allowed to go out on loan in exchange for signing a new contract he is pictures back wearing senior team white socks.

I expect the loan move to QPR or Charlton is in the offing
Don’t let Leo Varadkar get word of this . He’ll surely put his foot in it.

[CraftyToePoke]

Spurs fan here.
He hasn't a chance of progressing at Spurs and he just needs to look across the dressing room at Kyle Walker Peters to look at what can happen talented young players at Spurs.

Walker Peters was a heavily touted right back that won the U20 World Cup with England playing out of position at left back because he was seen as that good.
But at 19 Spurs stopped playing him in any underage games. Instead he travelled with the senior squad.
He is now 22 and hasn't played regularly for 3 seasons. A few minutes here and there. He has completely regressed as player. He was much better at 19 than he is now.

There have been situations were family members of young players have gone into Spurs to beg they that be allowed to be loaned out.

This is the trap for Parrott if he signs a long term deal next week. Mourinho has talked about him being ready in 3 years! Parrott has only played 1 game (u18 FA youth Cup) in 8 weeks. He is on the Walker Peters route. How can he ever be match fit surviving on only training.

The plan from Spurs and Mourinho was the debut and whole theatre of giving him a the matchday ball would be enough to get him to sign a contract. Fool him into thinking he was on the verge of something. But Kane's injury has shown up how Mourinho really sees him.

Spurs will no doubt sign a new striker before Friday. Spurs have to register their squad for the champions knock out rounds on 3 February 2020 (the day before Parrott turns 18). Parrott will lose his place in the squad to fit on one of Vorm, Bergwijn and whoever the new striker will be.

I would be shocked if he signed a long term contract. Either he is being badly advised or he has that much confidence in himself that he can break through against all the evidence that it's nearly impossible under Mourinho and Spurs.

I see K WP has gone to Southampton on loan today.

I suppose Parrot could also look across the dressing room at Winks, Skipp and even Harry Kane, as players who were given a chance to come through there ?

Granted not by Jose, which could be key in all this.

[elatedscum]

Walker Peters was a heavily touted right back that won the U20 World Cup with England playing out of position at left back because he was seen as that good.
But at 19 Spurs stopped playing him in any underage games. Instead he travelled with the senior squad.
He is now 22 and hasn't played regularly for 3 seasons. A few minutes here and there. He has completely regressed as player. He was much better at 19 than he is now.

Can't believe he's 22. Still feels like a kid. I remember him making his debut against Newcastle back in 2017 after Kyle Walker had been sold and he looked ready made for the first team. In fact, Nathaniel Clyne had just gotten a serious knee injury at Liverpool and both KWP and Trent Alexander Arnold began the season starting for their respective sides. Two promising young english right-backs, while KWP won man of the match for Spurs, TAA struggled against Watford's physicality. Based on that early season form, most would have thought KWP was the better prospect but Spurs spend £22m on Aurier more or less on deadline day, while Liverpool persevered with Trent.

[Nagger]

Dutch journalist reporting on his twitter account that Troy Parrot is headed to Ado Den Haag

https://twitter.com/nealpetersen

​https://twitter.com/nealpetersen/status/1222848182922727425

[Diggs246]

Dutch journalist reporting on his twitter account that Troy Parrot is headed to Ado Den Haag

https://twitter.com/nealpetersen

​https://twitter.com/nealpetersen/status/1222848182922727425

That would be great move, he will defo play, they are screaming for relegation though

[paul_oshea]

No it wouldn't be a great move. Be careful what you wish for.

[eekers]

I see K WP has gone to Southampton on loan today.

I suppose Parrot could also look across the dressing room at Winks, Skipp and even Harry Kane, as players who were given a chance to come through there ?

Granted not by Jose, which could be key in all this.

Skipp has played 397 minutes in the last 12 months including underage at an important time in his development.
He can look at the highly touted Onomah and Edwards which Spurs ruined.

Pochettino brought through one academy player in his five years (Winks). Mourinho will be worse.

[Olé Olé]

Mourinho has already brought through one academy player in Tanganga so he's level with Poch, as opposed to worse.

[Diggs246]

No it wouldn't be a great move. Be careful what you wish for.

Can u elaborate ?

[Eminence Grise]

Certainly.

It's: you.:cool:

[Eirambler]

Ado off the table now anyway, they've gone with another player. Looking like Championship or League 1 if a move is to happen. Would quite like to see him go to QPR.

[eekers]

Parrott being absoluting effed over by Spurs here
This from Dan Kilpatrick who get his info from the Spurs press office

https://twitter.com/Dan_KP/status/1223200319196336128 (https://twitter.com/Dan_KP/status/1223200319196336128)

#thfc (https://twitter.com/hashtag/thfc?src=hashtag_click) Understand Troy Parrott will not be going on loan today despite strong interest from Charlton and Alan Pardew's ADO Den Haag.

#thfc (https://twitter.com/hashtag/thfc?src=hashtag_click) Spurs were willing to let Parrott go out but the need to keep him at the club beyond his 18th birthday to ensure he counts as 'homegrown' in future made a deal too complicated.


Going to Charlton for instance wouldn't effect his homegrown status as it's still an FA registered club. So what's this about?

Well currently Troy doesnt qualify for the B-List for Champion's League or Europa League squads. The B list is a list of u21 players that don't need to registered as a main part of the squad. Parrott has been registered as one of the 17 non homegrown players on the A list this season. To qualify for the B list you need to be eligible to play for the club for 2 years since the age of 15. Parrott is nearly at this 2 year mark. Going on loan would mean he wouldn't be B list eligible next season.

So a loan deal has been denied just so Spurs can register an extra player on the A list next season (if they even qualify for Europe). Usually this 17th player on the A list will be a 3rd goalkeeper or whatever. So Parrott is denied a loan just so Vorm can be ready to play Europa League next season (maybe) if there is an injury crisis.

Anyway good luck next week getting him to sign a contract.

[DeLorean]

Makes the B-list and about to sign a new contract until 2023, by all accounts - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/he-is-available-to-play-jose-mourinhos-encouraging-words-for-birthday-boy-troy-parrott-38926011.html

[DeLorean]

On the bench for Tottenham's cup replay with Southampton, currently 1-1 near half time.

[Razors left peg]

Didnt get on, but progress at least.

[tommy_c12000]

Not sure on progress. Bergwijn, Lo Celso, Lamela all unavailable tonight, Troy wouldn’t have been on the bench otherwise I’d imagine

[Fixer82]

What is (‘f Spurs b.2002’) about?

[passinginterest]

What is (‘f Spurs b.2002’) about?

Positions, Club, Year of birth. Something that's being trialled to help people keeping track of emerging players.

[Fixer82]

Cool, thanks

[tetsujin1979]

Signed a new contract: https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2020/february/new-contract-for-troy/

[Diggs246]

Signed a new contract: https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2020/february/new-contract-for-troy/

What would he be on? 8k a week?

[tommy_c12000]

Agree with 3 year contract decision. Prudent from Parrotts mgt team. I’m sure Spurs wanted longer. Give it 12 months to see how things unfold at Spurs before committing longer term

[elatedscum]

What would he be on? 8k a week?

Decent shout. Anywhere in the 5-25 range is possible. Bobby Duncan's contract with Liverpool at 16/17 was for 7k per week and Parrott is rated a lot higher than Duncan was 18 months ago, but i suppose Liverpool have deeper pockets than Spurs. If I was guessing I'd say 12-15k

[Fixer82]

8K per week is what I read. Not a bad few bob for an 18 year old.
If I had the kind of bread at that age I'm not sure i wouldn't have turn into a little ar$ehole, for a while at least. So hopefully he keeps it together and is well minded.

[elatedscum]

8K per week is what I read. Not a bad few bob for an 18 year old.
If I had the kind of bread at that age I'm not sure i wouldn't have turn into a little ar$ehole, for a while at least. So hopefully he keeps it together and is well minded.

Anto Stokes got 24k per week upon signing for Sunderland at 18 and we know how that worked out... Hopefully Troy is more grounded than that...

[seanfhear]

Anto Stokes got 24k per week upon signing for Sunderland at 18 and we know how that worked out... Hopefully Troy is more grounded than that...
It didn’t make him any faster which was one of his major drawbacks ( No Pace ). Mind you other fellas with a bit of cute-ness about them have managed to adapt their game and knock decent careers out of it. Stoke's just didn’t have that cute-ness about them.

[elatedscum]

It didn’t make him any faster which was one of his major drawbacks ( No Pace ). Mind you other fellas with a bit of cute-ness about them have managed to adapt their game and knock decent careers out of it. Stoke's just didn’t have that cute-ness about them.

Anto was a bit older than me but i played with and against him a few times as a teenager, he wasn't slow. he wasn't quick but he wasn't daryl murphy or bulked up kevin doyle slow (as opposed to early kevin doyle who had pace). he never really had a burst of pace but he was in dublin during the summer and by himself, worked with a sprinting coach, who did work on the mechanics of his sprinting. Sunderland were so impressed by the pace he had gained, that they hired the lad to work with all their players. I can imagine he probably lost a bit more pace as he gained weight, got injured or aged..

Technically, he was superb. He was an intelligent footballer too. More than anyone gave him credit for. It was all off field stuff that held him back. Similarly, he was a little unlucky with Trap I think. In his time in the SPL - age 21 to 25 seasons, he scored:

23 goals
20 goals
21 goals
7 goals (injured most season)
21 goals

Then his last season at Celtic, Delia moved him into the midfield where he scored 8.

Nowadays if a player was doing that year on year, he'd probably get more of a look in than he did even if it's only the SPL...

[tommy_c12000]

No Troy for the under 23s. If he doesn’t play tomorrow, that will be 70 days without any competitive action despite being fully fit. Can’t understand why he can’t play 45 minutes of under 23 football and be the 19th man on Saturday still. When I was his age I was playing 2 or 3 games in a weekend without a bother on me....

[Charlie Darwin]

8K per week is what I read. Not a bad few bob for an 18 year old.
If I had the kind of bread at that age I'm not sure i wouldn't have turn into a little ar$ehole, for a while at least. So hopefully he keeps it together and is well minded.
8k is the best he'll ever do. As Paul has informed us, he's finished.

[youngirish]

8k is the best he'll ever do. As Paul has informed us, he's finished.
Whilst you may not like the delivery there has been a pattern here over the years whereby numerous young Irish players have been hyped up to be the next big thing with little to no justification. Anthony Stokes, Jack Byrne and Conor Clifford are all examples of the above based on the fact that they scored a nice goal or two at youth level. Any dissenting voices claiming that they may not actually be quite as good as the hype suggests are nearly always shouted down as ill informed naysayers.

Once those same players were found wanting in the senior game the board moved onto the next flavour of the month. Lather, rinse and repeat, in perpetuity.

Of the current crop hardly any have looked decent for any sustained period at senior level with the exception of Molumby and Knight (the latter in patches) so until Parrott starts banging in goals at least at Championship level the hype is about as valid now as it was back in 2005 for Stokes when he was banging in goals for fun for Arsenal reserves.

[SkStu]

Whilst you may not like the delivery there has been a pattern here over the years whereby numerous young Irish players have been hyped up to be the next big thing with little to no justification. Anthony Stokes, Jack Byrne and Conor Clifford are all examples of the above based on the fact that they scored a nice goal or two at youth level. Any dissenting voices claiming that they may not actually be quite as good as the hype suggests are nearly always shouted down as ill informed naysayers.

Once those same players were found wanting in the senior game the board moved onto the next flavour of the month. Lather, rinse and repeat, in perpetuity.

Of the current crop hardly any have looked decent for any sustained period at senior level with the exception of Molumby and Knight (the latter in patches) so until Parrott starts banging in goals at least at Championship level the hype is about as valid now as it was back in 2005 for Stokes when he was banging in goals for fun for Arsenal reserves.

While none of what you say about the earlier generations can be disputed, do you not think that Parrott is significantly further ahead than those were at the same age? Certainly Stokes and Byrne? To have a 17 year old whose made the impression Parrott has is a little different, I think. A regular in the first team squad and match day, a premier league appearance, pinging them in at all other levels including U21 international. I think the hype around Parrott has a bit more about it than the others you’ve listed.

Stokes wasn’t a failure really either. He made a very decent career out of his talents and limitations and could have done a lot better we’re it not for poor life decisions. He has at least 10 caps for us too, right? Byrne, too, is a player who is far from finished and whose potential, it could be argued, suffered for off the pitch reasons.

But, hey, part of the joy and torture of being an Irish fan is getting excited by the next big thing!

[youngirish]

While none of what you say about the earlier generations can be disputed, do you not think that Parrott is significantly further ahead than those were at the same age? Certainly Stokes and Byrne? To have a 17 year old whose made the impression Parrott has is a little different, I think. A regular in the first team squad and match day, a premier league appearance, pinging them in at all other levels including U21 international. I think the hype around Parrott has a bit more about it than the others you’ve listed.

Stokes wasn’t a failure really either. He made a very decent career out of his talents and limitations and could have done a lot better we’re it not for poor life decisions. He has at least 10 caps for us too, right? Byrne, too, is a player who is far from finished and whose potential, it could be argued, suffered for off the pitch reasons.

But, hey, part of the joy and torture of being an Irish fan is getting excited by the next big thing!

A sensible response. I agree Parrott does look to have a little more about him than Stokes at the same age but it's only my opinion and until he starts showing it at a decent level it means nothing. Stokes looked like a world beater in the SPL when he first went to Falkirk on loan but was never good enough to replicate that early form when put up against better defences and goalkeepers. The exact same complaint could be levelled at McGeady.

To sum up Stokes had a decent career but was never going to be good enough to be anything other than a footnote when discussing Irish International footballers and if we are being honest that is a disappointing return for someone once rated so highly on these forums.

As for Jack Byrne, he has talent and is clearly too good for the LOI but he is now approaching 24 and it's looking increasingly unlikely he will make the step up and be a top player in one of the major European Leagues. This again would represent a disappointing return when many on here were predicting he would be a quality midfielder only a few years ago. I hope I'm wrong as we've had a dearth of quality on the International scene for a number of years now but until players start performing consistently well for decent teams in the top leagues in Europe then that's likely to remain the case.

Of the current crop I would state that the only one who has all the qualities to be a top player right now is Molumby. The rest have potential but have shown little else. He alone is already a very good midfielder for a decent Championship team and could already do a job for Brighton in the Premiership. The likes of Obafemi, Knight, O'Shea and Masterson are the next batch that could make the step up to first team regulars over the next few months. Whilst all have shown promise none have not been able to consistently perform at the required level when given the chance.

Of the others Connolly has been disappointing and possibly needs a year of regular football in the Championship to get his career back on track. Collins career has stuttered at Stoke under O'Neill. Next season is likely the soonest Idah will get any game time for Norwich - most likely in the Championship and finally the three lads who moved to Celtic look like they have made the worst career decisions this side of David Cameron deciding to have a referendum on Britain remaining in Europe.

[Olé Olé]

Wow. Large portions of pessimism and negative interpretation served up there.

[youngirish]

Wow. Large portions of pessimism and negative interpretation served up there.

You call it pessimism, I call it realism.

[DeLorean]

You call it pessimism, I call it realism.

I call it 'playing the percentages'. Most prospects won't turn out to be anything special, that's just the nature of it. I've no issue with some 'realism' around our young players if it's based on their strengths, weaknesses, etc., but I think it's a bit meaningless basing it on the law of averages, which is basically what you and Paul are doing I think - "ah sure, we got excited about loads of fellas before and they never made it".

Parrott is an exciting prospect, it's not just us that think that but the Tottenham fans too. He's going to generate positive discussion. When he rocks up for the U21's and changes the game away to Sweden he's going to entice further excitement. Of course it guarantees nothing long-term, but everybody knows that already.