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Trequartista20
13/03/2021, 2:32 PM
Great stuff!
dr_peepee
13/03/2021, 3:51 PM
Anticipating the mistake! Love to see that!! Very Robbie Keane of him!!!
Trequartista20
13/03/2021, 3:55 PM
It was actually a really good centre-forward's goal - great anticipation and a cool finish.
Some having a go at him on another site rather oddly.
seanfhear
13/03/2021, 4:33 PM
Great Goal. Any Goal is a Great Goal at the moment.
Olé Olé
13/03/2021, 5:21 PM
It was actually a really good centre-forward's goal - great anticipation and a cool finish.
Some having a go at him on another site rather oddly.
Bonkers stuff. I don't get why some people feel that everything must be binary. People who are excited over Parrott are often accused of over-rating or over-hyping him and they will go to lengths to cut him down.
Similarly, to counter a bit of excitement over Parrott and his potential, you will often find posters on forums willing to opine with serious confidence that he won't make it to the top level.
The internet can be a very depressing place at times.
bench duty for Troy today. Ipswich trailing with 15 to play and he remains there. indications are that Paul cook doesn't rate him.
Charlie Darwin
20/03/2021, 1:40 PM
Based on what?
DeLorean
20/03/2021, 2:08 PM
I saw some piece in Balls.ie (I know) during the week saying Cook will be good for Parrott. Cook highlighted that Parrott had been picking up bad positions in the games prior to his goal last weekend.
Olé Olé
20/03/2021, 3:58 PM
Based on what?
Bias, fatalism, contrarianism... Who knows?
DeLorean
20/03/2021, 4:49 PM
Based on the fact that he was starting every game practically, but he isn't now. No need to jump the gun though hopefully, but maybe just as well he got that important goal last week.
tommy_c12000
22/03/2021, 12:18 AM
He has been poor again (even in the game he scored) after a promising start judging by a detailed review of their fans forum. I haven’t been able to watch any of the Ipswich games. But he’s young, has talent, and is getting game time so plenty of promise yet. But he is behind where I thought he’d be by now, he’s adjusting slowly to senior football. If Idah was fit, Parrott should be with our 21s for now
Trequartista20
05/04/2021, 1:58 PM
Starts today.
Trequartista20
05/04/2021, 2:13 PM
Just of curiosity, I was looking up his PL2 record the other day, which stands at 12 appearances, only 7 of which were starts, and with 2 goals.
scored.
Before his move into senior football (and the Championship and League One really are of a relatively high standard) he was really only playing U18/U19s football. This truly ought to put things into perspective for people; it's a huge leap.
He needs time before fans rush into any knee-jerk judgements regarding his future prospects.
Exgrad
20/04/2021, 3:31 PM
Interesting to see if he is involved tonight. Didn't play with u23s yesterday. If he's not included tonight he may as well head back to Spurs (if he hasn't all ready).
It's a must win for ipswich tonight- they seem to have gone slightly backwards since getting rid of Lambert.
I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if Troy is involved.
seanfhear
20/04/2021, 5:07 PM
It's a must win for ipswich tonight- they seem to have gone slightly backwards since getting rid of Lambert.
I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if Troy is involved.
Did Ipswich get new owners lately ? Hopefully they have deep pockets. I have always had a bit of a soft spot for Ipswich.
tetsujin1979
20/04/2021, 5:14 PM
Not in the match squad
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Razors left peg
20/04/2021, 5:16 PM
Would a loan move to the LOI for the summer be beneficial for him or would he be better off going back to Spurs for preseason. Youd have to say hes a million miles from the 1st team there now
I wonder how long his contract there is for. There's no point in him sticking around in the Spurs u23s so another loan looks likely - probably to league 2 you'd have thought. Maybe LOI though, if there's interest.
seanfhear
20/04/2021, 6:05 PM
Would a loan move to the LOI for the summer be beneficial for him or would he be better off going back to Spurs for preseason. Youd have to say hes a million miles from the 1st team there now
Doesn’t he have some undesirable connections in Ireland ?
Razors left peg
20/04/2021, 6:07 PM
Doesn’t he have some undesirable connections in Ireland ?
Allegedly yeah, thats why I asked the question.
According to the Spurs forum there are rumors that Parrott has been sent back to Spurs early for reasons not explained.
Exgrad
20/04/2021, 8:48 PM
Was wondering if it was a disciplinary reason behind being dropped from squad...a few first team players ended up in the u23s i think. Either way better he is back at Spurs at this point. No more stupid videos when he goes out on next loan.
Colbert Report
20/04/2021, 11:48 PM
I want to be careful what I type here as I don't want the site to get into any trouble, but a quick google of his name tells me that he shouldn't be anywhere near the Irish team. We shouldn't have any players associating with the people he has pictures with all over the internet.
Charlie Darwin
21/04/2021, 12:14 AM
It's been brought up before. The guy can be friends with whoever he wants.
Colbert Report
21/04/2021, 1:25 AM
Yeah, that's fair, but I am entitled to my opinion, and as a supporter of the Irish team all my life, I'd prefer for him not to be included in the squad again.
Charlie Darwin
21/04/2021, 1:50 AM
Fair enough, but unless he's committed a crime I don't consider it mine or the international manager's business who his (as far as I know law-abiding) mates are.
pineapple stu
21/04/2021, 8:43 AM
Yeah, that's fair, but I am entitled to my opinion, and as a supporter of the Irish team all my life, I'd prefer for him not to be included in the squad again.
Ah that's a bit excessive. People can get fierce judgmental over things that don't really matter. I don't know is this human nature that was always there and just social media makes it easier to voice, but it seems a lot more prevalent these days. Everyone's being forced to apologise for something.
I don't see any particular upshot of his loan deal being ended early though (if indeed it has been)
Fixer82
21/04/2021, 9:28 AM
He can be friends with whoever he wants to. It’s nothing to do with his football career.
Personally, I’d rather he didn’t know any of that particular crowd but he’s human and so are they.
He probably grew up with them.
Exgrad
21/04/2021, 10:04 AM
Ah that's a bit excessive. People can get fierce judgmental over things that don't really matter. I don't know is this human nature that was always there and just social media makes it easier to voice, but it seems a lot more prevalent these days. Everyone's being forced to apologise for something.
I don't see any particular upshot of his loan deal being ended early though (if indeed it has been)
i think people might be surprised who previous senior internationals were friendly with / related to...i'm not sure we can start vetting our players social circles.
The upshot of ending the loan deal is that he is not getting into the squad of a now struggling team, who can't score a goal. He is not playing with their u23 team either (who as a category 2 team are playing at a level below spurs u23 side). This is not a good look and potentially damaging to his career, and where he goes on loan next season. He would be much better off returning to Spurs and getting game time at their u23 level (if he can get back in their team).
pineapple stu
21/04/2021, 10:11 AM
He would be much better off returning to Spurs and getting game time at their u23 level (if he can get back in their team).
Yeah, but with it comes a tacit acknowledgement that he's not up to League One standard yet.
As you say, you'd have liked to see him knock in a few goals for Ipswich, get a loan deal with a Championship club next year, and show signs of his early promise.
Progression might be a bit harder for him next year now.
Eirambler
21/04/2021, 10:58 AM
Yeah, but with it comes a tacit acknowledgement that he's not up to League One standard yet.
That's just the reality of the situation though, isn't it? He was way out of his depth in a mid table Championship team and not good enough for a mid table League 1 team either. It's as well to be honest about it.
I wouldn't want to see him go back to the Championship on loan next season, if he's not good enough for League 1 in the spring he's unlikely to be good enough for the Championship by late summer or autumn. I doubt any Championship team would want him anyway.
He should probably just go back to Under 23 football for now and show that he can become a prolific scorer at that level (which he never actually did, most of his goalscoring was with the Spurs Under 18s, then he jumped to the fringes of the first team squad and didn't play that much under 23s). He should also work on the physical side of his game as well during that time. Then, if he succeeds at that level, try another loan move at a realistic level of football for him.
If it is to be another loan move right away I would suggest that the English lower leagues would not be the way to go. Somewhere like the SPL might work, obviously not one of the bigger clubs, but moves to clubs like St Mirren (McGrath, McCarthy, Doyle Hayes) and St Johnstone (McNamara) seem to have been successful for our younger players recently. Not an overly physical league and small squads mean plenty of first team chances.
Exgrad
21/04/2021, 11:22 AM
Yeah, but with it comes a tacit acknowledgement that he's not up to League One standard yet.
It appears he's not up to L1 standard at the moment, and that won't have gone unnoticed. Paul Cook would be well respected at that level and any potential clubs will want to know what happened at Ipswich. Progression is harder, and he's going to have to work harder to achieve it. He'll need to listen to the right people. A league 2 loan early next season (to the right bloody club!) and building on that may be the way the go. In terms of Parrott being some wonder kid who's banging in goals in the premier league anytime soon, that ship is sailing away I'm afraid. He doesn't have the attributes to make an instant impact at that level at a young age (ie pace or strength), but hopefully he can slower burner and develop into premier league player.
pineapple stu
21/04/2021, 11:35 AM
I wouldn't want to see him go back to the Championship on loan next season, if he's not good enough for League 1 in the spring he's unlikely to be good enough for the Championship by late summer or autumn. I doubt any Championship team would want him anyway.
There's certainly no point in it now alright. I guess we're just crying out for forwards at the moment and it'd be nice to see one of our underage players finally make a bit of progress, so this feels like more of a kick than it would ordinarily be.
Exgrad
21/04/2021, 11:43 AM
He should probably just go back to Under 23 football for now and show that he can become a prolific scorer at that level (which he never actually did, most of his goalscoring was with the Spurs Under 18s, then he jumped to the fringes of the first team squad and didn't play that much under 23s). He should also work on the physical side of his game as well during that time. Then, if he succeeds at that level, try another loan move at a realistic level of football for him.
Good point, Parrott has played up the age groups for most of his development, but it shouldn't be forgotten he skipped the u23 level and missed a lot of football last season when he was in the Spurs first team squad not getting any minutes, and also missed all the u23 games. Its clear enough now that has held his development back. I would have no problem if he returned to u23 level for the first part of next season before going on loan for the second half.
I've been surprised by how out of his depth he's looked on his loans, a schoolboy player not coping with senior football. I don't see that when i watch Idah (as raw as he can be) or Connolly, or even 18 year old Omobamidele playing centre back.
Troy just needs to find the right team, his struggles look to be a lack of confidence rather than lack of ability so hopefully he can get his head straight over the summer and find the right club next summer.
ifk101
21/04/2021, 11:50 AM
Why has Ipswich given him 950 playing minutes in a two and a half month span if he's not up to L1 standard?
Fixer82
21/04/2021, 12:07 PM
Why has Ipswich given him 950 playing minutes in a two and a half month span if he's not up to L1 standard?
Cos they thought he was
ifk101
21/04/2021, 12:13 PM
Cos they thought he was
Based on him being George Weah's cousin?
seanfhear
21/04/2021, 3:52 PM
He can be friends with whoever he wants to. It’s nothing to do with his football career.
Personally, I’d rather he didn’t know any of that particular crowd but he’s human and so are they.
He probably grew up with them.
Not much of a country when everybody know what these people are and yet they are walking the streets ! !
Razors left peg
21/04/2021, 4:30 PM
I watched a good bit of him at Ipswich and Millwall this season and I do think he is a good player, he is a hard worker but I think hes a bit slow. Doesnt have the burst of pace you would like in a top striker. Someone the other day gave me the comparison of Bamford as a young player and it took him a good few years bouncing around lower divisions before he was good enough. That might be the case with Parrott too.
dr_peepee
21/04/2021, 6:46 PM
Style aside, I would say Parrott is a long way off the form that Bamford was showing at that stage in his career. Bamford had a really solid couple of loan spells when he was young. Including a championship player of the season, before he bounced around without fanfare. Not to mention what he did at Forrest to get the move to Chelsea in the first place.
It’s not an exact science obviously but Parrots form is lining him up to have a Graham Burke type career from what I can see.
Razors left peg
21/04/2021, 7:08 PM
Style aside, I would say Parrott is a long way off the form that Bamford was showing at that stage in his career. Bamford had a really solid couple of loan spells when he was young. Including a championship player of the season, before he bounced around without fanfare. Not to mention what he did at Forrest to get the move to Chelsea in the first place.
It’s not an exact science obviously but Parrots form is lining him up to have a Graham Burke type career from what I can see.
Youre probably more accurate alright!
Style aside, I would say Parrott is a long way off the form that Bamford was showing at that stage in his career. Bamford had a really solid couple of loan spells when he was young. Including a championship player of the season, before he bounced around without fanfare. Not to mention what he did at Forrest to get the move to Chelsea in the first place.
It’s not an exact science obviously but Parrots form is lining him up to have a Graham Burke type career from what I can see.
At the same stage in his career Bamford had played 11 minutes of senior football... he must have done a hell of a lot in those 11 minutes.
John83
21/04/2021, 10:25 PM
Bamford's first loan was when he was just turned 19, which is the age Parrott was in February. He scored 18 in 37 in League One that season. Parrott scored 1 in 15 and got shipped back early. It's a bit early to be writing the lad off, all the same.
Olé Olé
21/04/2021, 10:30 PM
I won't write him off but when I read this article about his pre season almost 2 years ago, it's a little concerning where he is now: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fourfourtwo.com/amp/news/troy-parrott-juventus-tottenham-ireland-mauricio-pochettino-first-team-harry-kane
Eirambler
21/04/2021, 10:42 PM
To be fair to Parrott he has been the victim of excessive hype more than anything else. He has probably only underperformed relative to the hype rather than in terms of what level a promising young striker should be at at his age.
Looking at it rationally all he had really done before the loans was score a lot of goals at Under 18 level and look reasonably good for our Under 21s. But lots of young players score masses of goals at Under 18s and he was playing in an unusually strong Ireland under 21 team.
It was the call up to the Spurs first team squad that probably generated the hype more than anything, but in hindsight it came far too soon for him. The sooner we set more realistic expectations for him the better really. Let's see where he's at by 21, he has time yet to make it at a high level.
Bamford's first loan was when he was just turned 19, which is the age Parrott was in February. He scored 18 in 37 in League One that season. Parrott scored 1 in 15 and got shipped back early. It's a bit early to be writing the lad off, all the same.
What are you on about, his first loan was to NF in the championship at 18 years old which is the same age Parrott was when he went for milwall and he played 11 minutes in one game and 1 minutes the other. He didn’t start banging in goals until his third loan spell at the age of 20.
I won't write him off but when I read this article about his pre season almost 2 years ago, it's a little concerning where he is now: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fourfourtwo.com/amp/news/troy-parrott-juventus-tottenham-ireland-mauricio-pochettino-first-team-harry-kane
It will only be worrying if this season become’s a trend.
Bamford's first loan was when he was just turned 19, which is the age Parrott was in February. He scored 18 in 37 in League One that season. Parrott scored 1 in 15 and got shipped back early. It's a bit early to be writing the lad off, all the same.
You are looking at the Wikipedia number which is wrong, it even says further down that he didn’t score his first professional goal until March 19th 2013.
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