Declan Rice

[geysir]

I'm creeping towards pessimism even though we're still in possession.
11/10 he stays 10/11 he goes.

[Paddy Garcia]

This story is not worthy of a mention on the BBC sports page. Nor the BBC football page. Headline on RTE.

Perhaps a taste of things to come ............

[Dunners]

Come on really , contracts aren’t worth the paper there written on

[tetsujin1979]

I have noticed that the vast, vast majority of replies to him on twitter are from Ireland fans, then West Ham fans, and then a distant third from people who want him to play for England.

[SkStu]

I'd say it's far more likely that his head was 'turned' by England's showing in the World Cup, and not by Southgate.

I’m just going on what has been in most of the articles on this.

[CraftyToePoke]

I have noticed that the vast, vast majority of replies to him on twitter are from Ireland fans, then West Ham fans, and then a distant third from people who want him to play for England.

English people I meet are vaguely aware of him, even football fans, the lads in my five a side aren't remotely excited about him declaring for them, never heard it discussed, (maybe that says more about their knowledge than about him though). The only person here who brought him up with me, was a West Ham fan & he said they guy has played for Ireland, he should probably get on with that.

[geysir]

If one was to judge by the green frenzied twitter environment he sometimes frequents then it's a no brainer that he would decide to continue with Ireland but alas there are some hidden dark forces at play and he continues to mull at length.

[The Fly]

I'm creeping towards pessimism even though we're still in possession.
11/10 he stays 10/11 he goes.

Keep creeping - you won't be disappointed.

[Cathalsmart]

All the arguments being made on the English side of this are further reason why Declan should NOT declare for them, clearly those on the side of the FA dont know what national pride is all about they seem to think this is like a club side and say "right you are Irish and brought up supporting Ireland buuuuuut, if you declare for England you will win this and qualify for that etc" Declan had clearly said that he wants to stick with Ireland all the way back in June and had been capped all the way back in March yet we are now in this position so unless Declan or his father rang the FA and asked them if they would accept Declan than this is manipulation by the FA and Southgate, bottom line. Declan made a decision and instead of respecting it they came back for round 2 and the arguments made by the FA all sound like essentially bribes, they know they cant compete with Ireland when it comes to national pride in this case so they are trying to find way's of getting through to him.

Comparisons with Grealish have been made but later on it was revealed by Jack that he declared because he felt "more English than Irish" and that in the end was a fair argument but that really cant be the scenario here when you look at the people involved.

In the end I just find it rich of the English FA trying to bribe Rice with success, ohhh the irony of it all they have one succesful run in a WC in which they had the easiest run to a SF I have ever seen and they think that covers up 52 years of failure in which bar maybe one or two where they got to semi's or so have never really been in with a shout of winning a trophy. In the end it kind of show's where England really are when despite all this chat about how much great talent they have coming through that they have to try manipulate an Irish kid into declaring for them, kind of sad really.

[Olé Olé]

Declan Rice was on Soccer AM this morning doing one of those question and answer on teammates pieces. He comes across as such a down to earth, charming and funny lad.

No mention of international career thankfully!

[tetsujin1979]

First senior goal today. Nice finish too.

[Fizzer]

Decent point made by McCarthy that it was Southgate in charge of the underage setup that overlooked Rice for so long.At least the ludicrous saga looks like its coming to an end.Hopefully some lessons can be learned about how to avoid this happening again,we may be total gash on the field at the moment but a supposedly much-beloved nation deserves better treatment.

[Olé Olé]

Was he overlooked or did Rice just jump in with Ireland via Mark O'Toole very early and then England didn't aggressively chase him as much as they are now? It's a good point though in one sense- he's been in our set up and surely been treated well for a long time. This is quite a step to go into an environment he has never been in.

[geysir]

Decent point made by McCarthy that it was Southgate in charge of the underage setup that overlooked Rice for so long..........
And I'm impressed by the simplicity and adroitness of Mick's argument as recorded by DMcD in the Indo (https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/mick-mccarthy-reveals-he-has-held-discussions-with-gareth-southgate-over-declan-rice-situation-37703858.html)

[Fizzer]

Thanks Geysir,that’s the article I was referring too,I’m not technically savvy enough to post links.

[samhaydenjr]

And of course he scores his first goal, and the winner against Arsenal to boot, just before his announcement. So it will make his decision even more crushing, if it isn't the one we want. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46766896

[tricky_colour]

And of course he scores his first goal, and the winner against Arsenal to boot, just before his announcement. So it will make his decision even more crushing, if it isn't the one we want. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46766896

The final nail in the top right hand corner of the coffin of long dead expectations is how I see it.

The is more chance of the UK leaving the EU.

[Paddy Garcia]

If he declares for England just in time to qualify for their next competitive fixture - it will display a degree of cynicism I'd not anticipated.

[Olé Olé]

We are also being trolled by Gary Lineker on Twitter and on MOTD over this. Cracking striker. Painful bloke.

[Paddy Garcia]

Apparently Southgate under consideration by Man Utd!

[tetsujin1979]

If he declares for England just in time to qualify for their next competitive fixture - it will display a degree of cynicism I'd not anticipated.

there's no fixed amount of time for a change of allegiance to go through. Nacer Chadli played for Morocco in November 2010, and made his debut for Belgium three months later. Michael Duffy stated last August he was changing allegiance to the Republic national team, but it wasn't processed in time for him to appear in either game in November.

[Cathalsmart]

Surely the family can see how pathetic and manipulative the FA are being here, part of me honestly thinks are they being held to ransom as all this drum beating from the FA really smacks of desperation and sounds as if they dont believe they are as attractive as they look, you sure as hell wouldn't see Germany and Spain making this much noise as they at least know there value.

[Charlie Darwin]

there's no fixed amount of time for a change of allegiance to go through. Nacer Chadli played for Morocco in November 2010, and made his debut for Belgium three months later. Michael Duffy stated last August he was changing allegiance to the Republic national team, but it wasn't processed in time for him to appear in either game in November.
Shane Duffy's took a long time. IFA seem to drag their feet and make the process as long as possible.

[Olé Olé]

Balls.ie sharing that someone called Rice a future Ireland captain on Instagram and Rice liked the comment.

[tetsujin1979]

could mean something, could mean nothing.
There's another comment on the same photo with the same text that he didn't click "like" on.

[IsMiseSean]

there's no fixed amount of time for a change of allegiance to go through. Nacer Chadli played for Morocco in November 2010, and made his debut for Belgium three months later. Michael Duffy stated last August he was changing allegiance to the Republic national team, but it wasn't processed in time for him to appear in either game in November.

I'd like to think if he does switch - the FAI mysteriously lose the paperwork and draw it out for as long as possible.

Yes I'm that rancorous.

[samhaydenjr]

Balls.ie sharing that someone called Rice a future Ireland captain on Instagram and Rice liked the comment.


could mean something, could mean nothing.
There's another comment on the same photo with the same text that he didn't click "like" on.


I'd like to think if he does switch - the FAI mysteriously lose the paperwork and draw it out for as long as possible.

Yes I'm that rancorous.

Oh Crikey, we're all getting a little obsessive over Rice. So let's try to give things a "glass half full" view. So even if we do lose him, remember that over the last year we've gained a very decent Championship striker (Robinson), a talented young midfielder playing in the Eredivisie (Crowley) and held on to a teenage striker who has broken through at EPL level (Obafemi) - so I think we're still ahead in the area of recruitment of players with multiple international options... still be great if Rice sticks with us, though

[tricky_colour]

Balls.ie sharing that someone called Rice a future Ireland captain on Instagram and Rice liked the comment.
Maybe he liked the irony of the comment?

[DeLorean]

And I'm impressed by the simplicity and adroitness of Mick's argument as recorded by DMcD in the Indo (https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/mick-mccarthy-reveals-he-has-held-discussions-with-gareth-southgate-over-declan-rice-situation-37703858.html)

That's a great pitch by Mick alright, can't do any more than that.

[Olé Olé]

Oh Crikey, we're all getting a little obsessive over Rice. So let's try to give things a "glass half full" view. So even if we do lose him, remember that over the last year we've gained a very decent Championship striker (Robinson), a talented young midfielder playing in the Eredivisie (Crowley) and held on to a teenage striker who has broken through at EPL level (Obafemi) - so I think we're still ahead in the area of recruitment of players with multiple international options... still be great if Rice sticks with us, though
Allow me to delve further into my obsession with this Tweet from the FAI: https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status/1084761480472477698?s=19

Whether it's linked or not, the odds have been slashed into 4/6 that Rice is sticking with Ireland.

[Diggs246]

Allow me to delve further into my obsession with this Tweet from the FAI: https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status/1084761480472477698?s=19

Whether it's linked or not, the odds have been slashed into 4/6 that Rice is sticking with Ireland. Where have the odds been slashed?

[Olé Olé]

Where have the odds been slashed?

Paddy Power. England were 2/5 yesterday. They're 11/10 now.

[IsMiseSean]

Paddy Power. England were 2/5 yesterday. They're 11/10 now.

I saw 1/5 being offered last week.

[Diggs246]

Paddy Power. England were 2/5 yesterday. They're 11/10 now.

I can't see or find that on Paddypower. Can you put up the link

[osarusan]

Even if it's true, I don't think the bookies' odds reflect anything other than a way to get the punter to part with their money.

[backstothewall]

I'm feeling fairly philosophical about it all now. He'll make his decision one way or the other and good luck to him either way.

Part of me wondering if this is all going to end up as no more than context to him storming out of an Ireland training camp in the Seychelles 2 weeks before the start of the 2022 World Cup after a blistering row with Mick McCarthy.

[Deckydee]

I dont know to be honest...what about the tweet from the FAI > (Shirt is from September) https://extra.ie/2019/01/14/sport/soccernews/decision-made-fai-post-image-of-declan-rice-in-latest-irish-jersey?fbclid=IwAR2mCBXaxngnqShniG3P5v8WGZtL-heot9VkYCqjXbcBxIXapzA0K7b7FaI

His facebook profile pic is also interesting > https://www.facebook.com/declan.rice.90

EDIT: Shirt released in September > https://www.balls.ie/football/new-ireland-home-jersey-201819-396080

Ireland play Wales in Cardiff in the opening game of the new UEFA Nations League on September 6th. That will be followed by a friendly against Poland in Wroclaw on September 11th. The first home of the new season will be on October 13th against Denmark.

Rice pulled out around the end of August > https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/27/england-have-spoken-to-declan-rice-martin-oneill-west-ham

[tetsujin1979]

Photo was taken in June during the games against France and the states apparently

[Olé Olé]

It's not a recent photo, nope. His hair is shorter at the moment.

Obsessive, yeah.

[TrapAPony]

He has his West Ham contract done and dusted so one would really have to wonder why he is now dragging the arse out of his International situation.

[tricky_colour]

I can't see or find that on Paddypower. Can you put up the link


Neither can I.


But I just found them

https://www.paddypower.com/football?tab=specials

under


#WhatOddsPaddy No More Mister Rice Guy



Declan Rice to declare for Ireland 4/6





Declan Rice to declare for England 11/10






But that is basically a reflection of the weight of money bet, it could be maybe Irish people have more interest in that market, I dunno, they are
unlikely to put money on him for England?

However if Ole Ole is correct, which I assume he is there has definitely been a change in the market.

[geysir]

Decco's wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declan_Rice) gave me a good smile

Height - Irish Height

[tricky_colour]

I dont know to be honest...what about the tweet from the FAI > (Shirt is from September) https://extra.ie/2019/01/14/sport/soccernews/decision-made-fai-post-image-of-declan-rice-in-latest-irish-jersey?fbclid=IwAR2mCBXaxngnqShniG3P5v8WGZtL-heot9VkYCqjXbcBxIXapzA0K7b7FaI

His facebook profile pic is also interesting > https://www.facebook.com/declan.rice.90

EDIT: Shirt released in September > https://www.balls.ie/football/new-ireland-home-jersey-201819-396080

Ireland play Wales in Cardiff in the opening game of the new UEFA Nations League on September 6th. That will be followed by a friendly against Poland in Wroclaw on September 11th. The first home of the new season will be on October 13th against Denmark.

Rice pulled out around the end of August > https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/27/england-have-spoken-to-declan-rice-martin-oneill-west-ham

Regarding his Facebook profile picture, has that changed recently? Or does he normally appear in an Irish shirt?

[samhaydenjr]

I dont know to be honest...what about the tweet from the FAI > (Shirt is from September) https://extra.ie/2019/01/14/sport/soccernews/decision-made-fai-post-image-of-declan-rice-in-latest-irish-jersey?fbclid=IwAR2mCBXaxngnqShniG3P5v8WGZtL-heot9VkYCqjXbcBxIXapzA0K7b7FaI


Ugh... that one's just a little sad

[Deckydee]

Ugh... that one's just a little sad

I know, I need to get out more :(:(:D

[geysir]

https://www.paddypower.com/football?tab=specials

under #WhatOddsPaddy No More Mister Rice Guy

The odds on Rice have been taken down from the site overnight.
Did you place a bet Tricky? a bet of such magnitude and daring that shook Paddy Power's nerve, one that triggered the inside information alarm bells?

[tricky_colour]

The odds on Rice have been taken down from the site overnight.
Did you place a bet Tricky? a bet of such magnitude and daring that shook Paddy Power's nerve, one that triggered the inside information alarm bells?

Yes well it was clear they were hiding that bet from me, once they knew I'd found it they quickly took it down before I could get a bet on.. sheer cowardice!!

[SkStu]

Tricky & Geysir

http://www.liketotally80s.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/tp14.jpg

[Diggs246]

Whats the delay Declan? come on just defect and let us move on with our lives

[Olé Olé]

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/3650963/declan-rice-ex-coach-reveals-uncertain-past/amp/

Interesting perspective here. I think, however, Rice has been playing an age group above his own for a while with us so we weren't being loyal out of loyalty's sake. Grealish always had England banging on his door underage- unsure if Rice had the same all along.