League of Ireland in Europe 2017

[sbgawa]

Anyone got stream for rovers??

Desperately sesrching

[ger121]

Crusaders are 3-0 up. WTF?!

Must have cancelled the holidays.

[Kingswood Rover]

Would not right off the vikings yet, they beat mother well and lech Poznan a couple of seasons back before losing out to Inter and just missing out on the group stages, but an away goal gives us a great chance.

[ger121]

Looks like Rovers dominating stats based on UEFA.com. Could be more than 1 up maybe.

[pineapple stu]

Would not right off the vikings yet, they beat mother well and lech Poznan a couple of seasons back before losing out to Inter and just missing out on the group stages, but an away goal gives us a great chance.
They won the league unbeaten that year as well. They haven't been near that level since. They've lost three times in the first nine games this season for example.

Not that I don't disagree with you overall though.

[DannyInvincible]

Crusaders are 3-0 up. WTF?!

As far as I know, up to six of Liepāja's non-EU citizen first-team players were unable to acquire visas in time due to the short space of time between the draw and game, fixture scheduling having taken up a day or two and then the British embassy in Riga having been closed for two days due to Jāņi celebrations. Jāņi is an annual Latvian festival to celebrate the summer solstice. So, the Liepāja team are considerably weakened this evening as a result.

[pineapple stu]

St Johnstone 1-2 Trakai, and Rangers 1-0 Progres Niedercorn.

That's Progres, who Rovers beat 3-0 at home two years ago. And Trakai, who had never played in Europe until two years ago.

Go on the SPL!

[ger121]

St Johnstone 1-2 Trakai, and Rangers 1-0 Progres Niedercorn.

That's Progres, who Rovers beat 3-0 at home two years ago. And Trakai, who had never played in Europe until two years ago.

Go on the SPL!

Now they do have Celtic but as everyone knows, they're actually Irish so don't count.

[DannyInvincible]

Inpho (https://twitter.com/Inphosports) photos of Rovers' goal and celebrations:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDg67nEXYAACRC-.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDg4c4KWAAEUeE5.jpg

Into the last ten minutes now. RTÉ updates are saying Rovers "have good shape and [are] coping well at the moment" whilst "looking to hit Stjarnan on the counter attack".

[legendz]

Poor Derry. It was a tough opponent to get in Q1. Can we draw any comparison between similar opponents Cork and Dundalk have come up against and how they have gotten on?

[ger121]

Poor Derry. It was a tough opponent to get in Q1. Can we draw any comparison between similar opponents Cork and Dundalk have come up against and how they have gotten on?

Well Genk for City and take your pick for Dundalk.

[DannyInvincible]

Full time in Iceland. Rovers win 1-0. Terrific result.

[pineapple stu]

Result in Iceland.

Two wins about the best we could hope for really.

[sbgawa]

Great win for rovers. 2 out of 3 away wins for LOI #GREATESTLEAGUEINTHEWORLD

[ger121]

3 teams unseeded, all 3 away from home, one against one of the top rank teams in the draw. To come away with 2 wins is excellent.

[Charlie Darwin]

Well that went better than expected. Watching a periscope of the last few minutes we looked completely in control. Need to take that into next Thursday and finish the job now. Biggest result of Bradley's short career so far.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Great win for Shams. Expected Cork to win and Derry to lose alright.

[nigel-harps1954]

Anyone been chatting to geysir?

[ger121]

Anyone been chatting to geysir?

I heard he is ready to burst.

[Charlie Darwin]

I heard he is ready to burst.
Oh that's just a load of hot air.

[ger121]

Oh that's just a load of hot air.

You're just steaming you didn't mention it first.

[Kingdom]

Had backed Cork to win 2-0 and the Rovers/Cork double. Raging I didn't have more faith.

Watched the full Cork game. Was surprised they didn't kick on more in the 2nd half, Levadia were v weak at the back. Cork played some lovely football.

[micls]

We were poor enough but great result. I'd expect an improved performance for us next week

[White Horse]

We were poor enough but great result. I'd expect an improved performance for us next week

It takes teams a while to adjust from domestic games to the European football. The result is all that matters.

Great result for Rovers too, perhaps the more impressive given their indifferent form this season.

Both teams have a great chance of going through.

[ger121]

We were poor enough but great result. I'd expect an improved performance for us next week

Speaks volumes that a poor performance from City away in Europe, still yields a 2 nil win. I fancy them to score 2 or 3 in the cross next week.

[Larry 'da' Wyse]

Great results for CCFC and SRFC. It is great seeing such progression. Any clue as to the financial reward from UEFA for getting through this round - should they make it.

[oriel]

Two great results, Cork almost certainly into round 2 though, and definitely advantage Rovers but a fair bit of work to do in theirs.

Tough night for Derry, but that was probably expected.

[Philosophizer]

It takes teams a while to adjust from domestic games to the European football. The result is all that matters.

Well said, it took Dundalk 3 games in Europe last year before they really flourished in Europe. They were only OK in the 1st two games against FH, and struggled verv badly in the 1st leg in Borisov. In truth, BATE should have won the 1st leg about 3 nil but Dundalk got a bit of luck. Dundalk seemed to learn an awful lot from those 1st 3 games because from then on they never looked overawed and performed very well in all their other games.

[geysir]

I didn't see the Rovers' game as I was at the KR game. Local news say the goal was scrappy and avoidable but it was inevitable, a goal was coming regardless and Rovers closed out the rest of the game with some aplomb. The motm was given to Ronan Finn, who's also remembered from last year.
At least Rovers are Ireland's biggest team in Iceland as they're the only Irish team to win a game here in decades.

[micls]

Sorry, phones gone mad. That should have said we beat Valur there 2-0

[geysir]

Sorry, phones gone mad. That should have said we beat Valur there 2-0
It's not the phone :)

A Cork fan looking for a crumb of Iceland comfort in a first round inter toto game played a decade ago. What was that Inter toto, a pre-qualifier to a pre-qualifier, that carried no co-efficient points?

[ger121]

At least Rovers are Ireland's biggest team in Iceland as they're the only Irish team to win a game here in decades.

Old Faithful Geysir. Always predictable :brolly:

[Mr A]

Icelandic football is a disaster and they should be sending a high level delegation to Ireland to learn how to do things properly.

[micls]

Don't Diss the intertoto, was a great year and we've had some amazing nights in the intertoto.

[swinfordfc]

Up to 37th in the nations co-efficient ... went ahead of Finland last night. It was a good return - hopefully another two wins next week?

[Pablo Escobar]

Up to 37th in the nations co-efficient ... went ahead of Finland last night. It was a good return - hopefully another two wins next week?

We've only ever won an away European 1st leg 2-0 on two other occasions. Both times returning to Turners Cross to lose 1-0. Hopefully we can avoid that next week as we should put the tie to bed by half time if we turn up.

[wonder88]

Saw last 30min of Derry game on stream. Really open game, Derry had 2 good opportunities along with the goal, both headers over the bar and looked decent going forward. But saying that the Danish side could have added another 3/4 goals to their total. Sligo is the place to be if you want goals/attacking play next week.

[sparky12345678]

I was curious how the champions league seeding would have gone this year had the new system been in place.

seeded
45th Celtic
49th Salzburg
41st Copenhagen
56th BATE -
57th APOEL-
83rd Legia Warsaw -
85th Ludogrets -
114 Partizan Belgrade - jump a few places :D
121 Maribor
138 Rosenborg - dundalk's opponents' seeding is def benefited here...
150 Garabag Agdam
152 Sheriff Tirapsol
170 Zilnia
171 Malmo
172 Astana
202 Rijeka (Dinamo Zagreb would be significantly higher at 70th)
284 Hapoel Beer Sheva who have a coefficient of 8.000 making this the cut off point.

unseeded this year would have been;
284 FH
292 The New Saints (7.750)
341 Dundalk (6.00)
341 Vilnius (it seems in a tie situation the team with the higher country coefficient goes top)

side note HJK Helsinki (12.750 some great consistency; that's just an average of 1.2 points each year, just one good year in 10 got them 4 points) and Videoton (8.5 one good year also getting 4 points) didnt participate this year and would be higher than the irish clubs but any other winners from their leagues (as hapened this year) would be ranked lower...

All of this is a roundabout way of saying that incumbant champions Cork have such a low coefficient that even a crazy year, somehow getting 3 points (as Dundalk did last year but is much more difficult in the EL) would still not be enough. They have to pull off a decent year this year as well as a decent year next year before it stars to make up for the dearth of points from the last 10 years...
If Dundalk can get through even this one tie and pick up a few points their EL seeding next year might be half decent... at least for the first round...

*bert's site (obv)

[El-Pietro]

1-0 Connah's Quay!

They knocked out Stabaek last year

For us to be seeded next season we need about 4 points this year alone. To achieve that we need to win two group stage games or draw four or win one and draw two. We won't be seeded. Not in the first round. But we might be seeded in the Europa league second round if we lose in the CL. Depending on how they do the draw.
To be fair we've never been seeded in the past.

[legendz]

@Sparky - Is that taking into account the fact that next year's system applied to this year would have seen Dundalk having to start in CLQ1.

I thought Caulfield was speaking too loosely saying the Estonians won't score 3 times. While it is unlikely, football can give everyone a wallop from time to time. Bohs going across to Wales springs to mind.

Caulfield came across speaking like someone thinking he has risen to a certain level and knows it all. The former Meath manager Sean Boylan used to say when you thought you knew it all about the game, it can give you a kick up the backside. Cork have been very diligent and professional so far. They'll have to be careful that complacency doesn't kick in that might blunt their edge both domestically and in Europe.

[sparky12345678]

@Sparky - Is that taking into account the fact that next year's system applied to this year would have seen Dundalk having to start in CLQ1.


Would it? the only official announcement ive seen dont mention the QR1 or QR2...

Bert has an access list but I cant follow it all that well..it seems like there will be two PReliminary rounds..?

"CHPR actually consists of two preliminary rounds with 1 out of 4 champions qualifying for CHQ1" (the four champions coming from Kosovo, Gibratltar, Andora and San Marino)
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/AccessList2018.html

[sparky12345678]

edit at least this has been confirmed...?
"domestic champions who are eliminated in the qualifying rounds will get a second chance in European competitions by entering a "dedicated champions' path" in Europa League qualification. Previously there was no second chance on offer to these teams. [not strictly true as they did have a second chance when eliminated from CLQ2 and the playoff]
http://en.as.com/en/2016/12/09/football/1481314103_008421.html

So yea if im reading Bert correctly the current CLQ2 basically becomes CLQ1 with a tiny CLPR with 4 clubs. meaning to get to the CL group stages Dundalk would need to win 4 ties (rather than the current 3)...
Also this new dedicated route seems to mean that a club has to win 3 games (out of 4) rather than the current two (out of 3) to get into the EL...

[legendz]

@Sparky - I think your looking at it the wrong way. The way I read it is that the LoI champions will be starting a round earlier in CLQ1. The CL preliminary round is new to help reduce the number of lower league champions making the group stage. The current CLQ2 will still exist, it's just many more will be starting a round earlier.

The champions path to the Europa League is new alright, guaranteeing as well that all domestic champions will get at least two rounds of European competition. A reasonable compromise for changes being made.

[sparky12345678]

The CL preliminary round is new to help reduce the number of lower league champions making the group stage. The current CLQ2 will still exist, it's just many more will be starting a round earlier.

Yea i dno its just that CLQ1 basically has all the teams from the current CLQ2 (in 2013 the CLQ1 also only had 4 teams). If we go back to 2008 we see a similar CLQ1 to the upcoming one but only 3 Qualifying rounds. Now its 4 + 2PR ties?



The champions path to the Europa League is new alright, guaranteeing as well that all domestic champions will get at least two rounds of European competition. A reasonable compromise for changes being made.


Def a decent compromise just that either way it adds another tie to navigate. It would be great to see irish clubs becoming a bit more consistent but its gona be tough if we are always unseeded and cant develop the scene domestically etc...

[bennocelt]

Someone did a speadhseet for next year using these years teams, might give you some ideas..........

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u_-1nS5UuX2AscK42Qp723uzHG97ec9zRm8RIXM7W-g/edit#gid=782174216


(edit Cork and their ten year co efficient is 2.690
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/trank10-2018.html
can use it with the above link for some fun!)

[legendz]

Yea i dno its just that CLQ1 basically has all the teams from the current CLQ2 (in 2013 the CLQ1 also only had 4 teams). If we go back to 2008 we see a similar CLQ1 to the upcoming one but only 3 Qualifying rounds. Now its 4 + 2PR ties?
UEFA will be happy that people are viewing it like that, taking away the spotlight from the extra hurdle lower European league champions have to go through.
When next year's CLQ1 has all the teams from the current CLQ2 it's because they are all starting a round earlier. It means less teams in CLQ2, subsequently less teams in CLQ3, subsequently less teams in the CL Champions Route play-offs and finally less league champions from Europe's lower leagues in the Champions League group stage.
The big European clubs will be pushing for the Champions League to reduce to 24 without affecting their allocation. We'll be seeing CLQ1 teams moving to CL preliminary round and possibly more discussion around a third European competition. With all domestic champions having a Europa League safety net, any re-evaluation of the merits of a third competition will probably focus on clubs not making the Europa League group stage.

[DannyInvincible]

Highlights from Shamrock Rovers' 1-0 win over Stjarnan:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCA1Kb9iqPU

[El-Pietro]

Looks like another potential sell out at the Cross on Thursday. The 70% figure mentioned here would indicate that close to 5,000 tickets have already been sold.
http://www.corkcityfc.ie/home/2017/07/03/levadia-tallinn-game-advance-ticket-purchase-recommended/

[dundalkfc10]

Looks like another potential sell out at the Cross on Thursday. The 70% figure mentioned here would indicate that close to 5,000 tickets have already been sold.
http://www.corkcityfc.ie/home/2017/07/03/levadia-tallinn-game-advance-ticket-purchase-recommended/

Great to see, Was up in Oriel earlier picking up a jersey and less than 100 tickets left for Oriel next Wednesday aswell (I know we only have 3300 Capacity but still)

[EatYerGreens]

Great to see, Was up in Oriel earlier picking up a jersey and less than 100 tickets left for Oriel next Wednesday aswell (I know we only have 3300 Capacity but still)

How do you buy the tickets once they go on general sale ? There's nothing on the website to say how you actually get them - e.g. online, by phone, in-person etc.