Jack Byrne (M Shamrock Rovers b.1996)

[CraftyToePoke]

Why don't you say it like you see it Diggs ?

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Also if you look a kelly and Byrne play. They are miles apart.

yep, one's in reading and the other in wigan...

[tetsujin1979]

"Top 3 young players in holland" then why was he in the worst team in holland and when they went down why didnt psv or ajax sign him from city
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PSV and Ajax are not in the habit of signing players from Man City.

[gastric]

Wigan Today describes Byrne as one of the 'big hitters' missing from the Wigan team presently. I know there is a bit of local propaganda happening here, but at least, it is not negative.

http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/latics/the-future-s-bright-the-kids-are-all-right-1-8652810

Cook used basically the same team that played against Liverpool at Southport last night with none of the big hitters playing. Don't know why.

[Siberian]

Wigan Today describes Byrne as one of the 'big hitters' missing from the Wigan team presently. I know there is a bit of local propaganda happening here, but at least, it is not negative.

http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/latics/the-future-s-bright-the-kids-are-all-right-1-8652810

Cook used basically the same team that played against Liverpool at Southport last night with none of the big hitters playing. Don't know why.

None of the big hitters playing is probably down to one of two reasons i.e. they are angling for a move in which case Cook doesn't see the point in using them in pre-season or else they are injured. I'm guessing Byrne is in the latter category.

On a side note I love how fickle supporters can be. For example after drawing 1-1 with Liverpool at weekend Wigan fans were talking about how they would walk League 1 but after drawing with a non league side last night it's all 'same old ****e' :D. Don't you just love it!!! Ps Noel Hunt is training with Wigan at the moment and judging by Omar Bogle's performance last night he might get a chance. Also rumour that Bogle could be replaced by Eoin Doyle of Preston.

[tetsujin1979]

This doesn't look good: http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/latics/latics-very-close-to-new-signings-cook-1-8676959

Cook and Latics rounded off a ‘difficult’ week - in which Max Power, Omar Bogle and Jack Byrne were removed from the first-team squad and made available for transfer - with a 1-1 draw at Grimsby on Saturday. in their final pre-season friendly.

He did, however, confirm that Power, Bogle and Byrne were out of his plans at least until the end of the transfer window. “We won’t be seeing them at the minute, no,” Cook admitted. “The transfer window is what it is. “If the window was to close, and they are still at the club, then we would have to look at it again in a different light. “But for the rest of the window, the lads will be away from the rest of the group.

[Park_Lane]

So disappointing, thought this guy would be the real deal. He is going down the Conor Clifford route now.

[mark12345]

So disappointing, thought this guy would be the real deal. He is going down the Conor Clifford route now.

Work for his agent to do. I think we said a few weeks ago that he needed an upwardly mobile Championship club or a return to Holland.
I think he can be the real deal but his next move is critical. He is a proper footballer from what I've seen of him. He needs the chance to play in a team that plays it on the floor.

[tetsujin1979]

I think I read that Graham Barrett is his agent?

[Park_Lane]

Problem is he has no real experience in the championship, so who is going to take a punt on another failed academy graduate - both blackburn and wigan have basically said he is not good enough. Please god saint mick will take him to Ipswich or I can see him dropping down the leagues

[mark12345]

Problem is he has no real experience in the championship, so who is going to take a punt on another failed academy graduate - both blackburn and wigan have basically said he is not good enough. Please god saint mick will take him to Ipswich or I can see him dropping down the leagues

You should have said he was not bad enough to play for Blackburn/Wigan. At Rover's he was jettisoned as a luxury because he actually had a bit of creativity about him and sought to play the ball on the deck. Who's approach finally worked out, his or Owen Coyle's? And when Mowbary came it was a case of deja Vu. At Wigan he arrived again to a relegation haunted team. None of the above circumstances were condusive to the development of a ball playing midfielder and the nurturing of an understanding with his team mates. Time for him to go back to Holland I would think. I feel he has the drive and desire to succeed in the game

[nigel-harps1954]

I think a really sensible move would be to someone like Cork and really enjoy a solid year of first team football to regain confidence.
With so many Championship teams keeping an eye on the league at the minute, it could be the perfect shop window for him.

[seanfhear]

I think a really sensible move would be to someone like Cork and really enjoy a solid year of first team football to regain confidence.
With so many Championship teams keeping an eye on the league at the minute, it could be the perfect shop window for him.An excellent idea.....

[gastric]

If I am interpreting this article correctly, Byrne is angling to leave Wigan and this is why he has been banished to training with the U18s like Power. I only mention this has maybe he has not completely lost confidence or ability, just looking for another fresh start.

https://www.balls.ie/football/jack-byrne-wigan-future-370372

[tetsujin1979]

As usual, balls.ie have taken the quotes from the wigan today article I linked above, and added nothing

[gastric]

Sorry Tets, just trying to find a positive angle in a worrying situation for Byrne.

[tetsujin1979]

Rule of thumb for balls "articles", take out the quotes, tweets and Instagram photos, and read what's left.

[Kingdom]

I think I read that Graham Barrett is his agent?

He's in trouble so.

[Siberian]

Maybe we should stop looking at this through green tinted glasses and consider Byrne is not as good as we would like him to be? Surely managers and coaches at both Blackburn and Wigan who have been assessing him on a daily basis over the last two seasons are best placed to make a judgement?

[seanfhear]

Maybe we should stop looking at this through green tinted glasses and consider Byrne is not as good as we would like him to be? Surely managers and coaches at both Blackburn and Wigan who have been assessing him on a daily basis over the last two seasons are best placed to make a judgement?Sadly that is the most likely scenario . If you are good enough most managers will play you and if you are good enough and not playing then there will be plenty of managers and clubs looking to bring you in.....

[Kingdom]

Maybe we should stop looking at this through green tinted glasses and consider Byrne is not as good as we would like him to be? Surely managers and coaches at both Blackburn and Wigan who have been assessing him on a daily basis over the last two seasons are best placed to make a judgement?

Or maybe we should stop looking at things through a Blue, White and Red tinted glasses and stop believing that the calibre of manager/coach in the grand echelons of the Championship and League 1 is anything to dropping a knee to, and perhaps there is a higher proportion of bluffers there than there is in Europe?

The boy excelled for a poor team in a reasonably good-performing league. He dropped to a division of lesser standard, in a manky team, playing manky football. How was he ever going to fit in there?

He was badly advised.

[Kingdom]

Furthermore, I wish more of our players would look further afield than the Premier League or scrambling around the lower leagues.

I really wish the FAI, or the Regional Development Officers/Career Guidance Officers would attempt to offer our young up-and-cummers the opportunity to learn a functional 2nd language outside of the regular-school setting so that they're not limited to the English-speaking leagues.

Or maybe even link up with continental nurseries?

[Kingdom]

Sadly that is the most likely scenario . If you are good enough most managers will play you and if you are good enough and not playing then there will be plenty of managers and clubs looking to bring you in.....

You give them too much credit.
Look at Ryan Manning. A perfect example.
Jon Walters. A perfect example.

[jbyrne]

The boy excelled for a poor team in a reasonably good-performing league.

saw a bit of him playing in Holland on sky. some very good performances during his time there and one performance against Ajax (from memory) standing out

[Kingdom]

The reports from Holland (as opposed to from our own news outlets) was that he performed well against the three big guns, Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV, scoring against the latter.

[kennedmc]

Maybe we should stop looking at this through green tinted glasses and consider Byrne is not as good as we would like him to be? Surely managers and coaches at both Blackburn and Wigan who have been assessing him on a daily basis over the last two seasons are best placed to make a judgement?

good post. Byrnes a neat and tidy footballer - looks good at youth level and playing in a team far adrift at bottom of Dutch league because physicality is less important, more time on the ball etc. he seems to be struggling to make the step up.

The idea he is not getting game time at the moment because he is too good a footballer for that level is nonsense!

Hopefully he can make it at a decent level

[Bungle]

I think he is a top class talent. He has all the tools to be a top footballer but it appears the most important one (professional attitude) may be the one he is lacking.

[kennedmc]

I think he is a top class talent. He has all the tools to be a top footballer but it appears the most important one (professional attitude) may be the one he is lacking.

Is there a problem with his attitude?

[nigel-harps1954]

Furthermore, I wish more of our players would look further afield than the Premier League or scrambling around the lower leagues.

I really wish the FAI, or the Regional Development Officers/Career Guidance Officers would attempt to offer our young up-and-cummers the opportunity to learn a functional 2nd language outside of the regular-school setting so that they're not limited to the English-speaking leagues.

Or maybe even link up with continental nurseries?

Are you trying to suggest that the FAI should be doing more to help players leave FAI jurisdiction?

They should be concentrating on finding ways to keep young players here, not send them off to other countries.

[mark12345]

Is there a problem with his attitude?

He's a confident lad.
Has overcome quite a bit of adversity in his life and gone on to make a name for himself so far.
He will succeed and play for his country one day. Have faith.

[Bungle]

I've heard mixed things about him. The general consensus seems to be that he's a likeable lad who has a wild streak. Very much the life and soul of the party type fella.

Hopefully, he puts his thoughts on building a great career,because i think he has some talent.

[Razors left peg]

Next move is make or break for him you would think. Id much rather see him join Cork or Dundalk than a team in League 1 or 2. At least if he came back to Ireland he can stand out and make a name for himself if he had the right attitude.

[gastric]

If you read Kingdom's post number 321 above, you will see Jack himself has thanked Kingdom for his comments. High praise indeed!

[Kingdom]

Are you trying to suggest that the FAI should be doing more to help players leave FAI jurisdiction?

They should be concentrating on finding ways to keep young players here, not send them off to other countries.

Yes and no, and I'm trying hard not to turn my posts into essays.

What I would love to see, and I think the new structure will help, is the farms that hold the power at present getting pushed to the side, so that the emphasis is on keeping our best talent in Ireland as long as possible, for them, for the league of Ireland, for the national teams.
However, rather than just abandoning them to the airport, pocketing a fee and moving onto the next target, I'd love for the FAI to offer the kids either in tandem with the National clubs, or with the Depts of Education, Sport (or both) some form of language education so that the boys and girls aren't pushed down a route that perhaps is not ultimately tailored towards their physique or style (the UK) and have a basis to love at areas more suited to their technical ability without feeling jettisoned with no communication skills.

I'm not advocating just sending kids away - there has to be something more on offer here.

[tetsujin1979]

Rumours on Twitter that Byrne's contract has been paid up by Wigan, and also that he's leaving to sign for Oldham

[samhaydenjr]

Rumours on Twitter that Byrne's contract has been paid up by Wigan, and also that he's leaving to sign for Oldham

I was going to say that it might be good for him to team up with a fellow Irish U-21 international (Courtney Duffus) but then I remembered that being in the same squad as Darragh Lenihan didn't do much for his career at Blackburn. Regardless, this is a chance he really has to take if he doesn't want to end up bouncing around the lower leagues for the next few years or worse.

[CraftyToePoke]

The Oldham thing has some legs but reported as a loan here

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/10/oldham-athletic-news/105173/needs-must-for-latics-boss

What kind of ball do Sheridans sides play ?

[nigel-harps1954]

What kind of ball do Sheridans sides play ?

I could be wrong, but I think it's round. Not sure of the branding.

[tetsujin1979]

Might be relevant, Oldham only named three subs for today's game against Blackpool

[tetsujin1979]

Confirmed, loan deal until January: https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2017/august/29082017-jack-byrne-signing/

[nigel-harps1954]

Went to Google to check up on Oldham Athletic on Google, took me to their Wiki page. Someone seems to have been playing around with it.

http://foot.ie/attachment.php?attachmentid=2588&stc=1

[OwlsFan]

I think Oldham were in the top league in the 1970s or 80s, possibly under Joe Royle. I don't like them using the Owl symbol though. John Sheridan has had a few stints as manager there and did well in one or two and Paul Green currently plies his trade there. Their ground is Boundary Park, they play in blue and that's about the sum total of my knowledge off the top of my head.

[nigel-harps1954]

I think Oldham were in the top league in the 1970s or 80s, possibly under Joe Royle. I don't like them using the Owl symbol though. John Sheridan has had a few stints as manager there and did well in one or two and Paul Green currently plies his trade there. Their ground is Boundary Park, they play in blue and that's about the sum total of my knowledge off the top of my head.

They were in the Premier League for the first two seasons of it. Bit of a gradual decline since.

[DeLorean]

I remember the bald fella, Ritchie, scoring a header against Southampton in a 'PL classic' to keep them in the division one year. Forget his first name but I think the game was on RTE and Le Tissier scored a hat-trick for Southampton. Mark Hughes denied them a place in the F.A Cup final too of course, deep into injury time with a spectacular volley.

[Park_Lane]

Denis Irwin played for them before joining Man U

[samhaydenjr]

Debut for Byrne in the EFL Trophy as Oldham lost on penalties to Gavin Gunning's Port Vale: https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/matches/fixtures/first-team/201718/august/oldham-athletic-vs-port-vale-on-29-aug-17/

[OwlsFan]

I remember the bald fella, Ritchie, scoring a header against Southampton in a 'PL classic' to keep them in the division one year. Forget his first name .

Lionel ?

[Yard of Pace]

Andy Ritchie

The Lactics are Fantastic on Plastic

Mike Milligan played for them too, iirc?

I do like being old, I'll be honest.

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Andy Ritchie

The Lactics are Fantastic on Plastic

Mike Milligan played for them too, iirc?

I do like being old, I'll be honest.

gary kelly (the goalkeeping brother) spent the bulk of his career at boundary park. i guess in the glory years of the premiership?

adam rooney had a largely unsuccessful season there prior to signing for aberdeen.

[OwlsFan]

I think another Byrne also played for them, Cliff Byrne, one I had hopes of making the break through.