Jack Byrne (M Shamrock Rovers b.1996)

[Diggs246]

So let's be honest he wasn't international standard was he? And we have a poor team at the moment.

[Razors left peg]

So let's be honest he wasn't international standard was he? And we have a poor team at the moment.

You're probably right, I had made the argument before that when he was in Ireland squads and training alongside better players he obviously didnt stand out enough to get picked.

That being said, this is another example of choosing the wrong club being bad for his career. Making bad career choices seem to be what hes best at! All his choices bar the loan move to Holland and signing for Rovers were awful. Wigan and Oldham were disasterous choices for the type of player he is. Where you play matters, and you need the right club and manager that can develop you especially as a young player. The move to Cyprus was a nice cash grab, the injury immediately after arriving didnt help, but when you land in a club thats as unstable as APOEL you have to expect that the manager that wanted you was going to be gone quickly.

So many footballers seem to be advised so badly.

[DCWA]

Not sure if it was the wrong club, certainly not financially by the sound of it.

Things conspired against him at APOEL but as career moves go he will do well out of it. Unlikey to play for Ireland again you would imagine but he’ll be grand.

[pineapple stu]

So let's be honest he wasn't international standard was he? And we have a poor team at the moment.
I still think he was worth a place in the (current, wojus) squad. Unlucky at APOEL with Mick getting the sack, him getting a back injury, and the financial problems from missing out on Europe.

But he was a standout player in the LoI, and I think unfortunately that does put in perspective any LoI players' callup claims.

[ontheotherhand]

I still think he was worth a place in the (current, wojus) squad. Unlucky at APOEL with Mick getting the sack, him getting a back injury, and the financial problems from missing out on Europe.

But he was a standout player in the LoI, and I think unfortunately that does put in perspective any LoI players' callup claims.

Agreed. He did absolutely fine for me when he got his chance at our version of international standard football. Made a few mistakes but also created things and got us moving the ball better than other options we had/have. Imop of course.

The back injury had been holding him back even before the move to Cyprus. He was anonymous in the cup final for Rovers when we lost to Dundalk. Surgery may have fixed it...but maybe he's at the end of his development and that's that. A shame but he was always going to need to be in peak physical shape to make his more unique talents work at higher levels. That doesn't seem likely to happen now.

[Colbert Report]

Anyone who thinks he's anything more than a pub league player needs to watch the video at this link:

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2020/11/15/video-jeff-hendrick-sees-red-for-ireland-after-a-desperate-all-or-nothing-lunge-on-leeds-united-forward-tyler-roberts/

I knew when he under hit that pass that he would never, ever play for Ireland again. It was criminal at that level, you just can't have players that weak playing for you internationally.

I feel bad typing this because I've heard him interviewed and he seemed like a great guy. I really think that the LOI is a net negative to the international set-up, we're stuck with a terrible manager for another ten months just to appease the fans of this rubbish.

[pineapple stu]

You can't judge a player based off one pass FFS

[sadloserkid]

You can't judge a player based off one pass FFS

You can if what you know about football wouldn't fit on a broken cornflake. 🙂

[Eirambler]

Whatever about one bad pass, at 25 years of age now and having played for seven different clubs, I don't think it's unreasonable to make an overall call on Jack Byrne. I hope he has a positive career wherever he goes from here, but he's just not an international quality footballer.

[seanfhear]

It was obviously too big a step up for Byrne at the time. The pace / anticipation of the Welsh player was not something he was used to. We were chasing a goal and he made a bad pass.

Hopefully it all works out for him and he makes a good living out of football while he is playing.

[kennedmc]

Byrne got a lucky break when McCarthy went to Cyprus and Mick thought he might be suited to that type of ball. Jack got a nice pay day as no one else was offering him a contract that good.

The fact that he is supposedly due to join Charlotte in the MLS in the prime of his career says it all about his overall ability. There's no hard luck stories here, no nonsense about being poorly advised etc. That is his level.

I wish him all the best. He has made a good career thus far financially for himself (Post football etc) and he can still play for the next 8-10 years at MLS (Lower teams) and LOI standard.

[passinginterest]

I just can't see how we've learned anything about Byrne's ability from the move. He signed with an injury, the manger who signed him was sacked and he's now being offloaded because he's a high earner. It's turned out to be a disaster in terms of football, albeit a decent move for his personal finances. He's still a few years from his prime. The MLS move, if true, probably does see the end of his international career, but if he does well there's no reason why he couldn't be back in Europe at 28 and back in Ireland squads again. Judging his ability on one bad pass in an international is just ridiculous, especially if you discount everything good he did in other appearances. The hate for players and managers just because they're associated with the national league is a bit sad really.

[livehead1]

Best player for two years in LOI can't get a game for the third best team in Cyprus should speak to those who believe the LOI is anything but a dreadful standard.

[seanfhear]

Best player for two years in LOI can't get a game for the third best team in Cyprus should speak to those who believe the LOI is anything but a dreadful standard.
There is more to it than that.

[Joxerbrowne]

Dreadfull standard ? LOI teams just beat a top Greek team and also went toe to toe with a top Dutch team but yea because JB got injured and McCarthy sacked and now he fell out with current manager who going by last result hasnt much a clue, the league is a terrible standard.

Plenty of full internationals played in major comps this year from MLS . His international career is far from over.

[Eirambler]

It just feels like there's always an excuse with Byrne among some Irish football followers for some reason. There's always a reason for his moves to fail that are something other than "he's just not good enough to get a game at that club". I don't think any player is that unlucky - if he's hasn't succeeded at Wigan, Kilmarnock and APOEL Nicosia, among others, it's probably time to call a spade a spade and say that, whatever his level is, it's below the SPL and League 1 and therefore he's not an international standard player. Like everyone else I wish him well and hope the MLS will be good for him if that's where he ends up. But I can't see him ever being anything other than a squad filler at absolute best for Ireland.

[kennedmc]

I just can't see how we've learned anything about Byrne's ability from the move. He signed with an injury, the manger who signed him was sacked and he's now being offloaded because he's a high earner. It's turned out to be a disaster in terms of football, albeit a decent move for his personal finances. He's still a few years from his prime. The MLS move, if true, probably does see the end of his international career, but if he does will there's no reason why he couldn't be back in Europe at 28 and back in Ireland squads again. Judging his ability on one bad pass in an international is just ridiculous, especially if you discount everything good he did in other appearances. The hate for players and managers just because they're associated with the national league is a bit sad really.

I know it is frustrating when a very promising 15/16 year old falls well short of what we expected from him but what can we do? No guarantees in football and all that.

[livehead1]

There is more to it than that.

You're right. I am reminded he was terrible in Scotland, and just as bad in the English League 1.

[seanfhear]

You're right. I am reminded he was terrible in Scotland, and just as bad in the English League 1.
If he comes good ~ It will all have been great education ~ Hope springs eternal.

[pineapple stu]

It just feels like there's always an excuse with Byrne among some Irish football followers for some reason. There's always a reason for his moves to fail that are something other than "he's just not good enough to get a game at that club". I don't think any player is that unlucky - if he's hasn't succeeded at Wigan, Kilmarnock and APOEL Nicosia, among others, it's probably time to call a spade a spade and say that, whatever his level is, it's below the SPL and League 1 and therefore he's not an international standard player. Like everyone else I wish him well and hope the MLS will be good for him if that's where he ends up. But I can't see him ever being anything other than a squad filler at absolute best for Ireland.
While there is a valid point in there, I do think it's fair to make the counter-argument that he had come home, had gotten the first proper stretch of first-team football in his career and had done reasonably well, had gotten international call-ups which I think were merited, and his career had the possibility of kicking on from there - it's exactly what happened Keith Fahey, for example. Then the manager who signed him got sacked (a nightmare for any player) and he got a bad back injury which put him out for months.

If they're excuses, I think they're valid ones.

[Joxerbrowne]

Played a handfull of games in Scotland and was very good for Oldham in league 1 where he got plenty of goals and assists. Oldham fans loved him

[sadloserkid]

But I can't see him ever being anything other than a squad filler at absolute best for Ireland.

That probably covers 15% of the current squad to be fair.

[ontheotherhand]

Bit depressing reading some of these posts to be honest. What could be a decent discussion based on available evidence about a lads ability has just turned into the usual "LoI is ****e". I see people relying on one misplaced pass to cast a sweeping judgement not just on the player but on the LoI itself. Imagine Celtic had axed Larsson after he cost them the game with a mi**** pass on his debut. Players make mistakes all the time at every level. Pogba has about 6 per game but he's a WC winner.

LoI supporters have watched the lads who made the step up to the international team so they have a good idea of who can and can't. We've seen the likes of Coleman, Doherty, Stevens, Horgan, McClean, Fahey, Hoolahan and Doyle up close in the league. We could see the little edge they all had that gave them the chance to step up. We've been surprised by the likes of Graham Burke getting the call up as, although he's a lovely footballer, he doesn't have the extra athletic ability needed. There have been others who could have made it but didn't for whatever reason. Forrester springs to mind.

Byrne had the potential. He showed as much when he came on and changed the game against Bulgaria. Like it or not, games against Bulgaria are about our level at the moment so anyone who can do it against them is worth a place. At least at the time.

Then he got a bad dose of covid followed by a back injury. Never really looked the same for Rovers after that and then another bucket of ****e luck with a managerial change right after joining Apoel. Of course you could just say that was a bad decision. At the time it made at least some sense to join Mick.

Hope he finds a place to enjoy his football. He's still young enough to kick on but as I said, my worry when he went to Apoel was if the injury was worse than we knew. He had surgery soon after.

[SkStu]

Brilliant post OTOH.

If i could just add that, for all those that like to ignorantly diminish the quality and role of the domestic league, it also represents the single greatest opportunity we have to improve our international fortunes and to forge our own path in doing so. The potential of the league as an asset is astronomical. But as long as the majority of our fans have the same. old-school mindset that the english system and recruitment of generational Irishmen is the best strategy for us, we will never progress. We will just continue to get less competitive.

[nigel-harps1954]

Sorry, I thought I was on a forum for Irish football supporters..must have stumbled upon the wrong place.

Some of the nonsense on here is beyond pathetic.

[Razors left peg]

Anyone who thinks he's anything more than a pub league player needs to watch the video at this link:

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2020/11/15/video-jeff-hendrick-sees-red-for-ireland-after-a-desperate-all-or-nothing-lunge-on-leeds-united-forward-tyler-roberts/

I knew when he under hit that pass that he would never, ever play for Ireland again. It was criminal at that level, you just can't have players that weak playing for you internationally.

I feel bad typing this because I've heard him interviewed and he seemed like a great guy. I really think that the LOI is a net negative to the international set-up, we're stuck with a terrible manager for another ten months just to appease the fans of this rubbish.

Anyone who continues to call the LOI a Pub league should have any opinion on football instantly dismissed. You are aware of the amount of players who have come through the LOI and gone on to be great players for us right?

No one is saying that the LOI should consistently have players in the squad while playing in the league but as a feeder league for good young players it is improving all the time.

[pineapple stu]

I forgot he had covid too actually.

Covid, the manager who signed him sacked, a back injury, and financial problems at his club - all in the space of 10 months. That's a serious run of bad luck by any definition.

[Eirambler]

It's interesting that people are taking criticism of Byrne as criticism of the League of Ireland as though he is somehow a representative or ambassador for the league. But he's just a player who played in it like many others.

I appreciate that one poster has called it a pub league, but aside from that I think it should be reasonable to take a view on Byrne's future Ireland prospects (poor imo) without that representing a comment either way on the league.

Otherwise it just turns into another Kenny situation where certain players or managers are defended beyond reason because any failure by them is seen as a failure of the domestic league, when they're not necessarily related at all.

Personally I don't think Stephen Kenny is a particularly exceptional manager. I also don't think Jack Byrne is a particularly exceptional player. I don't think either have a long term, successful future in the Ireland setup. For me, neither of those opinions represents a position regarding the League of Ireland.

[Razors left peg]

I forgot he had covid too actually.

Covid, the manager who signed him sacked, a back injury, and financial problems at his club - all in the space of 10 months. That's a serious run of bad luck by any definition.

The manager getting sacked isnt bad luck when you can see that the club goes through 3 managers a season. He chose to go there knowing that the most likely scenario was that he would be there longer than McCarthy.

The injury was unlucky for sure, but the manager and the financial situation at the club were things he should be weighing up when making a decision about a move.

[pineapple stu]

Probably a bit harsh given how quick the signing and sacking came after each other, but hard to argue there's nothing in what you say for sure

[SkStu]

It's interesting that people are taking criticism of Byrne as criticism of the League of Ireland as though he is somehow a representative or ambassador for the league. But he's just a player who played in it like many others.

I appreciate that one poster has called it a pub league, but aside from that I think it should be reasonable to take a view on Byrne's future Ireland prospects (poor imo) without that representing a comment either way on the league.

Otherwise it just turns into another Kenny situation where certain players or managers are defended beyond reason because any failure by them is seen as a failure of the domestic league, when they're not necessarily related at all.

Personally I don't think Stephen Kenny is a particularly exceptional manager. I also don't think Jack Byrne is a particularly exceptional player. I don't think either have a long term, successful future in the Ireland setup. For me, neither of those opinions represents a position regarding the League of Ireland.

Judging players and managers on performance for the national team is absolutely fair game. Using a poor pass (Colbert Report) or a complex series of personal and professional issues (Livehead) for one player as justification to bash the league is absolutely not. Those were the two posters/comments that i took offence to. I also think the general contempt for the league and enjoyment of bashing the league is indicative of the prevailing thoughts of most of our support when we need to be supporting it and building it up into something better.

There is also a potential human, mental health element to this that gets overlooked. Players like Byrne and Fahey thrived when playing out of Ireland and were clearly more comfortable doing so (arguably Stephen Kenny too, as a manager). They were also clearly good enough to be, at a minimum, on the periphery of the Ireland squad while they were playing at home. This perceived need for them to prove themselves in England (or "just anywhere but Ireland") probably forced them into a position where they were almost being set up to fail.

Take that last paragraph with a pinch of salt though, there is a whole bunch of speculation, assumptions and "what ifs" built into it but looking at how they struggled, then thrived, then struggled again... i personally feel there might be something in it.

[ontheotherhand]

It's interesting that people are taking criticism of Byrne as criticism of the League of Ireland as though he is somehow a representative or ambassador for the league. But he's just a player who played in it like many others.

I appreciate that one poster has called it a pub league, but aside from that I think it should be reasonable to take a view on Byrne's future Ireland prospects (poor imo) without that representing a comment either way on the league.

Otherwise it just turns into another Kenny situation where certain players or managers are defended beyond reason because any failure by them is seen as a failure of the domestic league, when they're not necessarily related at all.

Personally I don't think Stephen Kenny is a particularly exceptional manager. I also don't think Jack Byrne is a particularly exceptional player. I don't think either have a long term, successful future in the Ireland setup. For me, neither of those opinions represents a position regarding the League of Ireland.

There are as many balanced arguments on either side as completely nonsensical, hyperbolic and ignorant takes in this chain, going back a long way. Yours are in the former camp so I wasn't responding to you Eirambler.

I don't think many who support the LoI would be claiming Kenny or Byrne as "exceptional" unless we are talking about purely LoI levels though and even that is debatable with Kenny as he struggled at Rovers although the situation wasn't great. There's a huge difference between, "listen this person has showed enough potential that they are worth a shot at a higher level" and "this is the messiah, bow down before them and prepare for World Cup glory". That gets lost a lot as those who just want to take a dump on the LoI find it easier to put up a straw man argument that LoI fans are claiming that the likes of Byrne or Kenny will completely change our fortunes single handedly.

There's no need to mention the league at all really. Byrne played for Ireland so we saw how he would look at our level first hand. We can all argue on whether he looked up to the level required but it was enough to get him included in multiple squads until covid and his injury took him down. I thought he played well on balance as did all the reports I read on those games. For me, Ireland looked more dangerous while he was on the field even with very limited strikers ahead of him but that's just my take. He was good against Bulgaria in both appearances and solid against New Zealand. Didn't have much time against Wales but it included both a good chance created for Collins and the poor pass that ended up with Hendrick's card. Maybe that's the end of the road for him. Time will tell.

[livehead1]

erm, yes there is. A strong domestic league is important to our national side, or at least it should be. The point I made was as simple one, he has played in a number of leagues and has been poor in them, save for the LOI where he was the best player for two years in a row. That is an indictment on the league, the league is weak and that is why he stood out as a top player.

Making excuses for him, injury, change of manager only get you so far. He was poor before he was in the LOI and since leaving it, he's been poor. I note those avid followers of the domestic league are exceptionally quick to jump to its defence, but the facts are there for all to see.

[Stuttgart88]

I think in several of the lame and low key early performances in SK's tenure the team was crying out for an advanced playmaker and Byrne fitted the bill well. He was fit and on form and in my opinion should have played and we can have judged him then. I don't think we have the luxury of being able to decide what club level a player is playing at is good enough these days. Look at Horgan. Barely even got into in a Hibs team and then at struggling Wycombe, and he has subsequently been a creative and attacking breath of fresh air - simply because he's a talented footballer in a team full of relatively one dimensional players.

If a mistake or two was what determined a player's international career we'd have nobody to pick from. Of course any manager has the right to make a value call but back then I think not picking Byrne against, say, Bulgaria in his favoured role was a real missed opportunity. I think Kenny was too cautious wrt Cullen too, and too married to the idea that Hourihane is effective from deep.

[Stav]

Lets see what the next few years bring to the league with the age barrier on going to England being upped. This should provide a larger pool of talent to the league and it will be interesting to see how it is developed.

[lofty9]

Whatever has been said, I like his character, i like the fact he’s prepared to travel and challenge himself, I like the fact he’s gone to the ‘pub league’ to reset himself, he’s only 25, he’s a very talented player, and plenty of time to recover from injuries/COVID. When he’s back playing regularly we can revisit whether he’s up to international standard.

[Diggs246]

Whatever has been said, I like his character, i like the fact he’s prepared to travel and challenge himself, I like the fact he’s gone to the ‘pub league’ to reset himself, he’s only 25, he’s a very talented player, and plenty of time to recover from injuries/COVID. When he’s back playing regularly we can revisit whether he’s up to international standard.

Did anyone hear the rumour ( could and I hope is BS) that when jack signed for rovers he told Bradley he wasn't interested in tracking back for defence duties on the pitch

[seanfhear]

Did anyone hear the rumour ( could and I hope is BS) that when jack signed for rovers he told Bradley he wasn't interested in tracking back for defence duties on the pitch
Maybe it was a Lazy Rumour !

[passinginterest]

I'd imagine there was a conversation along theses lines; "My last few moves have been a disaster, the managers who signed me never gave me a chance in my preferred position, they wanted me running around flying into tackles like a headless chicken for 90 mins. I'm taking a big risk coming back to Ireland, if I sign, I'd like to know if you're going to play me in my best position?". Which then becomes a rumour that he was a diva and said he'd no interest in tracking back or defending at all ever.

I watched Byrne a lot and if anything his work rate and ability to win the ball back was generally underestimated when he was fully fit. There's no doubt he struggled to get back to speed any time he was out injured and the back injury and covid really seem to have had a major toll on him. Fairly sure there was interviews around the time he had Covid detailing just how badly in effected him at the time.

[Diggs246]

also tbf to jack, the guy who told me this may not be 100& credible, my friend also claims he shagged Kate Winslet

[mark12345]

Whatever has been said, I like his character, i like the fact he’s prepared to travel and challenge himself, I like the fact he’s gone to the ‘pub league’ to reset himself, he’s only 25, he’s a very talented player, and plenty of time to recover from injuries/COVID. When he’s back playing regularly we can revisit whether he’s up to international standard.

A lot to like about JB as you say lofty. And the further point is that under normal circumstances he really should'nt be near the international set up but he is because of the dire lack of creativity in the team. Other than that the MLS is a very very good standard. If Jack can make it there he will have succeeded

[pineapple stu]

Is the MLS a "very very good standard"?

I'm not sure. It's a mix of retirement home and people barely making a living out of the game. They've had two Champions League finalists in 20 years - both lost. The Mexican League is much stronger.

In general I think MLS isn't the required level for a decent national squad. But right now, he's worth keeping an eye on.

[sbgawa]

I'd imagine there was a conversation along theses lines; "My last few moves have been a disaster, the managers who signed me never gave me a chance in my preferred position, they wanted me running around flying into tackles like a headless chicken for 90 mins. I'm taking a big risk coming back to Ireland, if I sign, I'd like to know if you're going to play me in my best position?". Which then becomes a rumour that he was a diva and said he'd no interest in tracking back or defending at all ever.

I watched Byrne a lot and if anything his work rate and ability to win the ball back was generally underestimated when he was fully fit. There's no doubt he struggled to get back to speed any time he was out injured and the back injury and covid really seem to have had a major toll on him. Fairly sure there was interviews around the time he had Covid detailing just how badly in effected him at the time.

He was happy tracking back for Rovers, i remember one particular occasion where he sprinted full tilt half the length of the pitch to tackle a forward breaking away from a cleared corner (which he took! ).
Bradser commented on it as being typical of the way he was an all round team player.

[DCWA]

A lot to like about JB as you say lofty. And the further point is that under normal circumstances he really should'nt be near the international set up but he is because of the dire lack of creativity in the team. Other than that the MLS is a very very good standard. If Jack can make it there he will have succeeded

The MLS is certainly not a “very, very good standard”.

It will however suit Jack Byrne and with a bit of luck in terms of fitness I would expect he will do well out there.

Have to wish him all the best as lofty said there is a lot to like about him. He has travelled and continues to do so playing football, earned well in whilst doing so and will continue to as well in the USA.

It is a fantastic life for a young man surely and it’s certainly not his fault that Ireland were at such a low ebb and in such dire need of creativity that they had to go looking in the LOI. Similarly it won’t be Duffy’s if he gets called up. Byrne was the best player in the league at the time, fitted a position/area we badly needed someone for and has got to represent his country a few times.

He is doing rightly.

[ontheotherhand]

erm, yes there is. A strong domestic league is important to our national side, or at least it should be. The point I made was as simple one, he has played in a number of leagues and has been poor in them, save for the LOI where he was the best player for two years in a row. That is an indictment on the league, the league is weak and that is why he stood out as a top player.

Making excuses for him, injury, change of manager only get you so far. He was poor before he was in the LOI and since leaving it, he's been poor. I note those avid followers of the domestic league are exceptionally quick to jump to its defence, but the facts are there for all to see.

He wasn't poor in League 1 for Oldham (as you'd said earlier) and he wasn't poor in the 7th best league in Europe for Cambuur. Don't take my word for it though, it's all very easy to look into. If he hadn't shown that he could play at a higher level than LoI we wouldn't even be talking about him at this stage.

The facts are indeed there but you're cherry picking the ones you need and outright twisting others to suit your narrative which is less about Jack Byrne and more about the LoI for whatever strange reason. As I've said, you don't need to mention the league at all. We are in a discussion about whether Jack has/had the potential to play for Ireland, a team with League 1 players in it currently, and we have more relevant evidence in the form of him actually playing games for Ireland. So give the league bashing a rest or maybe create your own thread for it? It's really dull.

[mark12345]

The MLS is certainly not a “very, very good standard”.

It will however suit Jack Byrne and with a bit of luck in terms of fitness I would expect he will do well out there.

Have to wish him all the best as lofty said there is a lot to like about him. He has travelled and continues to do so playing football, earned well in whilst doing so and will continue to as well in the USA.

It is a fantastic life for a young man surely and it’s certainly not his fault that Ireland were at such a low ebb and in such dire need of creativity that they had to go looking in the LOI. Similarly it won’t be Duffy’s if he gets called up. Byrne was the best player in the league at the time, fitted a position/area we badly needed someone for and has got to represent his country a few times.

He is doing rightly.

Will beg to differ with you on the standard of MLS. There was a perception 10 years ago or so that it was sub standard, and that was perhaps justified. That does not apply today however. An awful lot of talent in the league. If Jack could establish a playmaker role in any MLS team he would be more than ready to step into the same position in a green shirt

[the 12 th man]

also tbf to jack, the guy who told me this may not be 100& credible, my friend also claims he shagged Kate Winslet

Your mate or Jack Byrne?...

[pineapple stu]

Will beg to differ with you on the standard of MLS. There was a perception 10 years ago or so that it was sub standard, and that was perhaps justified. That does not apply today however. An awful lot of talent in the league. If Jack could establish a playmaker role in any MLS team he would be more than ready to step into the same position in a green shirt
Why can't their clubs make any impact at all on the Champions League so?

[ontheotherhand]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_performance_in_the_CONCACAF_Champions_League

I don't follow it but wouldn't the increase in teams getting to the quarters not indicate some degree of improvement stu? That as well as the improving results against teams from Mexico?

Where would you rank the Mexican league/MLS on a global scale? Or versus the English leagues as that's probably easier? League 1/2? I wouldn't have a clue.

[Diggs246]

Your mate or Jack Byrne?...

My mate