Jack Byrne (M Shamrock Rovers b.1996)

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Criticising a manager for not picking a player who has played no football whilst also criticising the same manager for picking players who have played no football. Classic.

That wasn't what I was doing at all actually. I was criticising his reasoning for excluding Byrne because it is clearly flawed.

The reasons he excludes Byrne should preclude him from calling up Dimaio.

At least be consistent and not spout things that are clearly nonsense. He has called up several eligible players in the past despite their club circumstances. (I wonder why)

Classic.

[Closed Account]

You clearly demonstrated circular reasoning. I didn't mention anything about Noel King. Take a bit of criticism like a grown up.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

You clearly demonstrated circular reasoning. I didn't mention anything about Noel King. Take a bit of criticism like a grown up.

I pointed out an inconsistency in what King said. I struggle to understand what is hard to grasp about that, especially in light of the kerfuffle between MON/Koeman.

Maybe I would accept your criticism if it had the slightest point and/or didn't have the unnecessary "classic" sarkiness at the end of it.

[CraftyToePoke]

I pointed out an inconsistency in what King said. I struggle to understand what is hard to grasp about that, especially in light of the kerfuffle between MON/Koeman.

Maybe I would accept your criticism if it had the slightest point and/or didn't have the unnecessary "classic" sarkiness at the end of it.

That 'classic' bit has really riled you hasn't it.

[TrapAPony]

On the bench for Wigan today: https://twitter.com/LaticsOfficial/status/848159250362888193

Wigan brought on 3 subs but Byrne remained on the bench.

[Closed Account]

Your right, I can see how my comment looks unnecessarily sarky. Was honestly meant tongue in cheek. No offence intended.

But to be clear. do you agree that Byrne should not have been called up because he's not getting a game for Blackburn?

[SkStu]

Your right, I can see how my comment looks unnecessarily sarky. Was hihestly meany tongue in cheek. No offence intended.

But to be clear. do you agree that Byrne should not have been called up because he's not getting a game for Blackburn?

You are most hihestly meany, Joe.

[liamoo11]

Wigan brought on 3 subs but Byrne remained on the bench.

Byrne is been treated like ****e by FIFA there should be 4 subs allowed

[KrisLetang]

He's always getting byrned, that guy.

[Olé Olé]

That wasn't what I was doing at all actually. I was criticising his reasoning for excluding Byrne because it is clearly flawed.

The reasons he excludes Byrne should preclude him from calling up Dimaio.

At least be consistent and not spout things that are clearly nonsense. He has called up several eligible players in the past despite their club circumstances. (I wonder why)

Classic.

Can you do me a favour and clarify your use of the word "eligible"? I don't see it's relevance in a normal context, unless you're pushing an agenda.

Byrne has not been match fit. Warren Joyce confirmed this. Diamaio has been. Two appearances suggests he's not preferred. Not deemed completely out of favour.

You were one of the people with an agenda over Kelly getting called up to the senior squad ahead of Manning. I thought it made sense. Manning has no under 21 appearances and is underage. Yet, he didn't play much good, by all accounts, on his first appearance.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Who has more upside, Connor Dimaio or Jack Byrne?

Byrne made the bench today and he's been training for the better part of a month by all accounts.

I don't have an agenda about Kelly. I posted a tweet from a journalist who posited that he was called up to fasten his integration into the set up.

[Closed Account]

Classic

[mark12345]

Who has more upside, Connor Dimaio or Jack Byrne?

Byrne made the bench today and he's been training for the better part of a month by all accounts.

I don't have an agenda about Kelly. I posted a tweet from a journalist who posited that he was called up to fasten his integration into the set up.

If it's Liam Kelly, I would say well done and good move on FAI's part. Kelly is a fine, fine player from what I've seen of him.
Byrne is also a fine player and theoretically could be the future of our midfield. I find it appalling that he has gone from being one of the top young prospects in Dutch football (and a possible recruit for Ajax at one point) to a rank also ran at Wigan.
It's as much a statement about the waywardness of English football as it is the player's misguided vision.

[Olé Olé]

Who has more upside, Connor Dimaio or Jack Byrne?

Byrne made the bench today and he's been training for the better part of a month by all accounts.

I don't have an agenda about Kelly. I posted a tweet from a journalist who posited that he was called up to fasten his integration into the set up.

I know you posted it. Why are you leaving out the fact that you posted it and basically inferred he had taken the words from your mouth?

I've seen more of Byrne than Dimaio and Byrne is a better player, from my perspective. Who is to say that he'll have the better career though? You reckon not picking Byrne is going to dent his confidence. This is the same Byrne that MON stated "certainly doesn't lack confidence."

Byrne has a serious amount of work to do to get his career back on track. He is yet to feature for Wigan and joined them 2 months ago. A token pick for an Ireland under 21 squad ahead of other "eligible" players won't help him much.

[tetsujin1979]

Off the bench late on for his Wigan debut today

[CraftyToePoke]

They hit an injury time winner after he joined, keeps them seven rather than nine from safety, only scraped it vs Rotherham though who have no business in that division.

[DeLorean]

Yeah a massive win for Bristol City after their horror show at Preston. Unfortunately O'Dowda only featured as a late sub also.

[samhaydenjr]

Byrne's career path appears to be back on track after his Blackburn wobble as he came on early in the second half and helped Wigan win 3-2 against Barnsley. So who do we want to see stay up? Byrne, O'Dowda or the Blackburn trio (Hoban/Williams/Lenihan)

[CraftyToePoke]

They were 0-2 down when he was thrown on, another sub got an eleven minute hat trick and the headlines but still good for Byrne to have been part of that.

I am still hoping all three can do it with Forest and Burton being reeled in but I think we might only keep O'Dowda at the level.

[tetsujin1979]

Hoban's on loan at Blackburn - he'll be back at Watford next season.
Stokes is still there, and scored for the reserves this week. According to the Herald, he'll be in the squad for their game against forest today

[DeLorean]

They were 0-2 down when he was thrown on, another sub got an eleven minute hat trick and the headlines but still good for Byrne to have been part of that.

They were actually 0-1 down when Byrne came on for what it's worth. Yeah, if we think Bryne's career has hit a bit of a lull it's nothing compared to the hat-trick hero Nick Powell, a man who was destined for big things at Man Utd at one stage.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Byrne's career path appears to be back on track after his Blackburn wobble as he came on early in the second half and helped Wigan win 3-2 against Barnsley. So who do we want to see stay up? Byrne, O'Dowda or the Blackburn trio (Hoban/Williams/Lenihan)

Byrne is still a very young chap, three years younger than Chris Forrester for example. A year of regular football in L1 wouldn't be a disaster for him.

O'Dowda, likewise, is very young, and he has never really nailed down a starting place for Bristol City; sometimes he hasn't made the squad.

In Lenihan and Williams you have two players who are quite close to Intl recognition. And Stokes might yet get his house in order and start anew with a full pre-season behind him.

So it would have to be Blackburn IMO.

[mark12345]

Byrne is still a very young chap, three years younger than Chris Forrester for example. A year of regular football in L1 wouldn't be a disaster for him.

Would be very disappointed to see Byrne drop down to L1. It would be something of a disaster for him, I believe. He has gone from the hottest young prospect in Dutch football to someone who could go down the wrong road and fast.
He is headed in the same direction as Conor Clifford. He needs to arrest the decline in his career now in the next couple of weeks. I know he is under contract to Wigan for a couple of years, but there are plenty of players these days ending their contracts by mutual consent. He needs to start again. Option A - any mid to lower level Erdivisie team Option B - a Championship promotion contender for next season Option C - work under Patrick Vieira in New York

[nigel-harps1954]

Going to America would be a bigger disaster for him than dropping to League One.
Kyle Callan-McFadden moved from Orlando City to Sligo Rovers because he said it would give him a better chance of furthering his career.

It's not about playing standard either, it's about media profile and how little the likes of O'Neill or Keane would get a chance to watch him in action.

America is a backward move for anyone wanting to step up in their careers. It's a retirement ground for ageing footballers looking for a last decent payday.

League One would do Byrne no harm at all for a season. He's not exactly set the Championship alight and needs to find his feet in English football.

He's lauded as being the next big thing all because of a short stint at a club that got relegated from the Eredivsie.

He has a long way to go and a promotion push from League One and a bit of stability at one club would be of more benefit than another club hopping move in an attempt to prove he's better than his current career trends suggest.

[zero]

i guess the best thing he can do short term is give everything he can to try to help wigan pull off a great escape. they probably need 7 points from their last 3 games and they are not easy ones. next up is a winnable home match v cardiff but then a tricky trip to reading follows, with a home match v leeds who will probably need the points to get into the playoffs to finish up.

[Jd2793]

Tbf that mcfadden chap was only on the Orlando B side Sligo is definitely a step up from that. You'd imagine if Byrne got the chance/decided to go to NYC he'd be in or around starting 11 for the first team.

[Charlie Darwin]

Why would you imagine that?

[nigel-harps1954]

Tbf that mcfadden chap was only on the Orlando B side Sligo is definitely a step up from that. You'd imagine if Byrne got the chance/decided to go to NYC he'd be in or around starting 11 for the first team.

What exactly separates McFadden from Byrne though? McFadden had a few first team games at Norwich and was very highly thought of there.

Byrne doesn't seem to be setting the English leagues alight at all. Outside his spell in Holland, he's got almost the same amount of appearances as McFadden had.

There's only a year of difference between them in age too.

McFadden was first choice centre-half at Orlando B, and was training with the first team there. Rubbing shoulders with Kaka, Nocerino, Spector and other established international players hardly would have done him any harm?

Despite this, he wasn't getting a look in at Ireland under-21 level. He wasn't getting watched. There was nobody to watch him. League of Ireland players and reserve players in England were getting looked at first.

There's no guarantee Byrne would go into the first team at NYC. He could end up in a dead end like McFadden and have to look to League of Ireland to resurrect his career.

At least in League One, he's in the public eye. He's covered on Sky Sports. He's covered on the football league show on Channel 5. He's easily watched by scouts and by O'Neill or Keane. And he'd probably get just as big a wage as he'd get anywhere else.

[DannyInvincible]

Stephen Elliott blogs 'Time for Jack Byrne to shine': https://www.sportdec.com/app/article-single/x70ui81h5l9i1ozbgi8shsu9h


Wigan are looking more like they will be playing their football in League 1 next year. With this in mind, I think it's crucial that Byrne works really hard in the off-season. There is no doubt that he has the ability to be playing at a higher level but he needs to get himself in the right mental and physical condition so he can be in a position to express this on the pitch.

At his age now, he’ll be tempted to party the summer away. However, he should look at it as a time to get a head start on his peers and come back fully focused and raring to go.

[seanfhear]

Stephen Elliott blogs 'Time for Jack Byrne to shine': https://www.sportdec.com/app/article-single/x70ui81h5l9i1ozbgi8shsu9hNice article . Its time for Jack Byrne to walk the walk........Show he has the commitment and ability to make it as a professional footballer at a decent level......

[mark12345]

Nice article . Its time for Jack Byrne to walk the walk........Show he has the commitment and ability to make it as a professional footballer at a decent level......

It's time for Jack Byrne to walk alright. Walk away from Wigan and off to some club in Holland or with ambitions to play in the Premier League

[Charlie Darwin]

I'm sure clubs will be queuing up to sign a player who started two games in the Championship this year.

[CraftyToePoke]

I'm equally sure all those Championship sides gearing up for a right tilt at getting into the Premiership who he turned down to join Wigan will be circling again too.

[kennedmc]

I'll be interested to see how good Byrne really is.

He showed some glimpses in Holland from the clips I saw but on the flip side they finished the season well adrift at bottom of league so expectations were low.

I've given up trying to judge player who look good at club u19 u21 reserve team football as The standard and competivrness seems poor.

[Closed Account]

Paul Cook has taken over at Wigan. He's done well by Irish players wherever he's been.

[mark12345]

Paul Cook has taken over at Wigan. He's done well by Irish players wherever he's been.

Big game with Liverpool on Saturday - ended 1-1. Should have been the big start for our Jack, one would think?
But he didn't even kick a ball despite a plethora of substitutions by Wigan at half time.
What on earth is going on?

[Diggs246]

"What on earth is going on" im sorry to say it, but he is not god enough. If you compare him to Liam Kelly a guy around the same age. Jack won't ever play a competitive international game. Liam will probably play dozens.

[DeLorean]

"What on earth is going on" im sorry to say it, but he is not god enough. If you compare him to Liam Kelly a guy around the same age. Jack won't ever play a competitive international game. Liam will probably play dozens.

I don't think anybody is expecting him to be God, but it'd be nice if he could make a League One squad.

[Olé Olé]

"What on earth is going on" im sorry to say it, but he is not god enough. If you compare him to Liam Kelly a guy around the same age. Jack won't ever play a competitive international game. Liam will probably play dozens.

And tell me this, were you saying 12 months ago that Liam Kelly was good enough? Even when many reckoned he hadn't much of a future at Reading until Stam saw something he liked?

Of course he has the potential to be good enough. He seriously needs to stop the rot in his career now.

[mark12345]

"What on earth is going on" im sorry to say it, but he is not god enough. If you compare him to Liam Kelly a guy around the same age. Jack won't ever play a competitive international game. Liam will probably play dozens.

He's not good enough? How do you figure that when he was among the top three young players in Holland a little over a year ago? I'm sure you've seen the clips of his fine play against Ajax and Feyenoord? It would appear that he's not suited to the 'basic' football of League One, and that's fine by me because he has proven himself at a higher level already.

[liamoo11]

"What on earth is going on" im sorry to say it, but he is not god enough. If you compare him to Liam Kelly a guy around the same age. Jack won't ever play a competitive international game. Liam will probably play dozens.

When Liam Kelly was playing at bath city in the 6th tier of English football byrne was playing most weeks in the top tier of Dutch football so that's a bit of an in FFS air statement. It's only preseason give the dad a chance

[samhaydenjr]

I get a little concerned when I hear that players have a falling out with a manager (or club), as Byrne seems to have had with Owen Coyle - as with any job, it doesn't look good for future opportunities - for example Owen Garvan saying that he would outlast Ian Holloway at Palace - while that technically turned out to be accurate, Garvan's career has gone backwards since then, when he really should have been pushing on to the next level. And Emmanuel Osadebe recently put out a snarky twitter comment when he left Gillingham and has ended up a division lower at Cambridge.

[Siberian]

Big game with Liverpool on Saturday - ended 1-1. Should have been the big start for our Jack, one would think?
But he didn't even kick a ball despite a plethora of substitutions by Wigan at half time.
What on earth is going on?

Neither did Grigg, Morsey or Powell feature. Three players that are expected to have a big say in Wigan's season provided they can hold on to them. Paul Cook in a pre match interview said he had a lot of injuries so I'm assuming Byrne was one of them as some Wigan fans are hoping for a big season from him. Mouth watering game away to Southport tonight, I'll keep ye posted ;)

See point number 3 :http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/latics/the-future-s-bright-the-kids-are-all-right-1-8652810

[Olé Olé]

What are you on about, Siberian? The goose is cooked. Byrne is done...

[Siberian]

What are you on about, Siberian? The goose is cooked. Byrne is done...

What am I on about? Just providing an explanation to Mark as to why Byrne didn't feature against Liverpool. I don't think he's quite done yet but he needs to produce this season. He came to Wigan in January but didn't really feature as there were issues about his match fitness. He featured as a sub in a few games late in season and seemingly impressed a few. I'd be a bit concerned if he still isn't match fit with the season two weeks away but with three more pre-season friendlies before then let's give me a chance??

[DeLorean]

Foot.ie humour isn't for everyone.

[Siberian]

Foot.ie humour isn't for everyone.

Not a regular visitor so not really familiar with the posters and their personality types etc. Will try and keep this in mind in future and I do like a bit of humour, you know the type that can cause a laugh or maybe forces a wee smile ;)

[Olé Olé]

Haha, sorry Siberian. The tendency to write off young players prematurely is subject to much satire here. I find some of the criticism above of Byrne's last year hilarious. It could end up making him a better player. He definitely has to make an impression this year or risk a Conor Clifford-type downward trajectory. But there's every chance he will.

[Diggs246]

"Top 3 young players in holland" then why was he in the worst team in holland and when they went down why didnt psv or ajax sign him from city
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[Diggs246]

Also if you look a kelly and Byrne play. They are miles apart.