Robbie Brady (M Preston b.1992)

[SkStu]

I'd say Roy Keane's transfer record in 1993, if properly adjusted would be worth more than Robbie or Duff, but the transfer fees pre-sky implosion don't get adjusted properly to reflect post-sky implosion value.

Duff's £17m in 2003 just about edges out Robbie's £13m in 2000, after transfer inflation adjustment.
I think the only other notable was Frank Stapleton's to Man U in early 1980's for about £1m.

Wasn't McCarthy in and around the 12m mark??

[DeLorean]

McCarthy signed for £13m, the second most expensive signing in Everton's history, up until then at least.

[geysir]

Wasn't McCarthy in and around the 12m mark??
Yes but these days they're reichmarks :)

According to Paul Tomkins (http://tomkinstimes.com/2014/01/transfer-records-and-why-they-mata/) Transfer Price Index (TPI)
Duff 17m in 2003, that was worth 37m in 2012 and 49m 2013
Robbie 13m in 2000, that was worth 27m in 2012 and 37m in 2013
McCarthy 12m in 2013

Roy Keane's transfer <4m in 1993, probably would be worth about 25m in 2003 and 80m in 2013

[BonnieShels]

Roy Keane's transfer <4m in 1993, probably would be worth about 25m in 2003 and 80m in 2013

Bargain.


EDIT: Wasn't it 3.75m for him? That number has stuck in my head forever.

[nigel-harps1954]

Yes but these days they're reichmarks :)

According to Paul Tomkins (http://tomkinstimes.com/2014/01/transfer-records-and-why-they-mata/) Transfer Price Index (TPI)
Duff 17m in 2003, that was worth 37m in 2012 and 49m 2013
Robbie 13m in 2000, that was worth 27m in 2012 and 37m in 2013
McCarthy 12m in 2013

Roy Keane's transfer <4m in 1993, probably would be worth about 25m in 2003 and 80m in 2013

It says Roy Keane would be worth 32.3m in todays money. Where did you get 80m?

[geysir]

It says Roy Keane would be worth 32.3m in todays money. Where did you get 80m?
'It' says that, I say different, that's where the 'probably' comes in to play, I being the brain behind the probable factor.
'It' has no effective way to properly adjust transfer fees from the early/mid 1990's.
I adjust Roy's transfer fee of 3.75m, to a list of transfers in 2003 when Duff was transferred for 17m and I calculate Roy's 3.75. would be worth 25m in 2003
and if it was worth 25m in 2003 then it was worth 80m in 2013. according to the transfer index.

[nigel-harps1954]

'It' says that, I say different, that's where the 'probably' comes in to play, I being the brain behind the probable factor.
'It' has no effective way to properly adjust transfer fees from the early/mid 1990's.
I adjust Roy's transfer fee of 3.75m, to a list of transfers in 2003 when Duff was transferred for 17m and I calculate Roy's 3.75. would be worth 25m in 2003
and if it was worth 25m in 2003 then it was worth 80m in 2013. according to the transfer index.

Sorry, but none of that made any sense. Iceland does strange things to people.

[SkStu]

Sorry, but I trust the GTPI more than the regular TPI.

[tetsujin1979]

The Independent is reporting Brady to Norwich has been completed, nothing official from either club.

[geysir]

Sorry, but none of that made any sense. Iceland does strange things to people.
You can not make sense of anything , and you think that's down to me :)
Its probably more a case that you are not as smart as you might think you are.

When I wrote in a separate line in my post "Roy Keane's transfer <4m in 1993, probably would be worth about 25m in 2003 and 80m in 2013",
I made that calculation, I was not quoting values from the transfer index. That transfer index is not the gospel, there are flaws in it.
And is there anybody on this board who would disagree with my adjustment of the value of Roy's record transfer in 1993 of 3.75m, to 25m in 2003, to 80m in 2013? Possibly it's on the conservative side.
Do you disagree with that particular adjustment of values?

[Charlie Darwin]

And is there anybody on this board who would disagree with my adjustment of the value of Roy's record transfer in 1993 of 3.75m, to 25m in 2003, to 80m in 2013? Possibly it's on the conservative side.
Do you disagree with that particular adjustment of values?
I do. The world record fee at the time was £13m. That makes Roy's fee a little more than 1/4 of the largest fee paid, which would be ~25m of today's money. Now that's obviously not right either as it was a British record fee, so you'd have to put the fee somewhere in between £25m and £80m. I'd say you could probably adjust it a bit above the midpoint, so let's say £55-60m.

[MeathDrog]

Seriously, who cares.

[BonnieShels]

Seriously, who cares.

Everyone except you?


I do. The world record fee at the time was £13m. That makes Roy's fee a little more than 1/4 of the largest fee paid, which would be ~25m of today's money. Now that's obviously not right either as it was a British record fee, so you'd have to put the fee somewhere in between £25m and £80m. I'd say you could probably adjust it a bit above the midpoint, so let's say £55-60m.

A player fo Roy Keane's quality based on some of the práisce out there would be "worth" about 60m without hesitation. And I'm sure every bloody club would bite your hand off for him at that price.

[SecondBall]

Everyone except you?



A player fo Roy Keane's quality based on some of the práisce out there would be "worth" about 60m without hesitation. And I'm sure every bloody club would bite your hand off for him at that price.

Lads if Vidal is going for around the €30 mark, and what did Madrid spend on Illaramendi, Keane would fetch 50m, no problems. 50m STG, so equate that to what you like in Euros. I think 80m Euros is a bit exaggerated, but certainly he'd fetch a considerable fee. God knows what Zidane in his prime nowadays would fetch. In retrospect, the fee United got for Ronaldo is a BARGAIN

[seanfhear]

Roy Keane would be serving a lot of suspensions in todays game. Probably lower his value quite a bit.

[DeLorean]

A player of Roy Keane's quality based on some of the práisce out there would be "worth" about 60m without hesitation. And I'm sure every bloody club would bite your hand off for him at that price.

Probably, but that's the Roy Keane who captained Manchester United during the most successful period in their history, not the Roy Keane who who was merely a stand out player in a relegated Nottingham Forest side.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

John Fallon has reported that the deal has been completed, but Fallon has a history of talking out of more than one orifice.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city/updated_norwich_city_label_plans_to_unveil_robbie_ brady_at_west_ham_friendly_as_premature_1_4172522


The Irish Independent stated Brady has penned a three-year deal, with the option of a further year, to become Alex Neil’s third summer signing after Youssouf Mulumbu and a permanent deal for Graham Dorrans.

City officials have reacted to those fresh reports by insisting there are no plans to unveil any new players ahead of the Hammers’ visit with Brady’s protracted summer transfer still to be finally rubber-stamped.


I'm skeptical the move will happen TBH.

[tetsujin1979]

John Fallon has reported that the deal has been completed, but Fallon has a history of talking out of more than one orifice.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city/updated_norwich_city_label_plans_to_unveil_robbie_ brady_at_west_ham_friendly_as_premature_1_4172522



I'm skeptical the move will happen TBH.
deal confirmed - Robbie Brady has signed for Norwich City on a three year deal: http://www.canaries.co.uk/news/article/norwich-city-robbie-brady-2579067.aspx

[Charlie Darwin]

Everyone except you?



A player fo Roy Keane's quality based on some of the práisce out there would be "worth" about 60m without hesitation. And I'm sure every bloody club would bite your hand off for him at that price.
Well I wasn't talking about what he was worth, just what the original fee would translate to.

Confirmed by Norwich: http://www.canaries.co.uk/news/article/norwich-city-robbie-brady-2579067.aspx

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I was trying reverse psychology to try and push the move through.

[BonnieShels]

Probably, but that's the Roy Keane who captained Manchester United during the most successful period in their history, not the Roy Keane who who was merely a stand out player in a relegated Nottingham Forest side.

Roy Keane has never been merely anything.


Well I wasn't talking about what he was worth, just what the original fee would translate to.

Confirmed by Norwich: http://www.canaries.co.uk/news/article/norwich-city-robbie-brady-2579067.aspx

I know. I wasn't disputing that. I was merely saying that at 60m you would have a bargain.

[Kingdom]

I do. The world record fee at the time was £13m. That makes Roy's fee a little more than 1/4 of the largest fee paid, which would be ~25m of today's money. Now that's obviously not right either as it was a British record fee, so you'd have to put the fee somewhere in between £25m and £80m. I'd say you could probably adjust it a bit above the midpoint, so let's say £55-60m.

Now Charlie, be fair. That world record fee was for Gigi Lentini, if I'm correct. And there is serious question marks over Italian transfer fees, between Italian clubs from the late 80's up to the mid-noughties, something that hasn't been investigated properly. In some cases I would question if fees were paid at all.

Out of interest what was the next highest fee to Lentini?

[DeLorean]

Out of interest what was the next highest fee to Lentini?

Vialli £12m.... Samp to Juve the same year. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_football_transfer_record)

[BonnieShels]

Vialli £12m.... Samp to Juve the same year. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_football_transfer_record)

DThat Denilson transfer has always perplexed me. I mean... Betis ffs!

[GypsyBlackCat]

That's a good move for Brady. Norwich are very well ran club and like to play good football. Decent fan base too. But I still think they might go down.:( Even if they do, they'd be in a good position both on and off the pitch to bounce straight back.

As for Roy Keane. If he was playing today he'd worth around £50m-£60m. That's about the going rate for world class defensive midfielder now days.

[Crosby87]

Do you fine chaps think his cousin Tom is really going to go through with suing the NFL?

[tricky_colour]

more like Robbie sues the FAI

[DeLorean]

Played the full ninety minutes of Norwich's preseason win over Brentford yesterday... at left back.

[geysir]

That's a good move for Brady. Norwich are very well ran club and like to play good football. Decent fan base too. But I still think they might go down.:( Even if they do, they'd be in a good position both on and off the pitch to bounce straight back.

As for Roy Keane. If he was playing today he'd worth around £50m-£60m. That's about the going rate for world class defensive midfielder now days.
Roy in no way could be described as a defensive midfielder at that time. He was an outstanding midfielder, a leader and future captain.
Relative to other transfers while he was a top player for Man U, I stand by my opinion that his fee, at any given time, would have topped them all. Eg, in 2002 the record was 30m for Rio Ferdinand and today that transfer fee would be an absolute whopper, I'd say about 90m
It's not a case of what the transfer price would be if man U were to buy Keane today from a relegated club, facing competition from one other club, it's a question of adjusting the value of his 1993 record transfer to today's values and there is a method in place to do that, to replace opinion and guesswork.
And then there is a huge difference between 2013 transfers prices and 2015 prices, the prices have escalated higher that our perceptions.
Barely have Liverpool sold one valuable player and people say 'good bit of business', but then they look around and see what they can buy and it doesn't match up, once all the slices are taken off the Sterling transfer they just have enough to buy a decent player.
If Roy was available today, facing the prime years of his career, Man U would not just be competing with Blackburn, but also the top clubs in Europe.

[tricky_colour]

Played the full ninety minutes of Norwich's preseason win over Brentford yesterday... at left back.


Highlights here, I originally posted them in the Hoolahan thread but should be here too nice
run by brady at 2.37


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ihhotMxYYM

[tetsujin1979]

Roy in no way could be described as a defensive midfielder at that time. He was an outstanding midfielder, a leader and future captain.
Relative to other transfers while he was a top player for Man U, I stand by my opinion that his fee, at any given time, would have topped them all. Eg, in 2002 the record was 30m for Rio Ferdinand and today that transfer fee would be an absolute whopper, I'd say about 90m
It's not a case of what the transfer price would be if man U were to buy Keane today from a relegated club, facing competition from one other club, it's a question of adjusting the value of his 1993 record transfer to today's values and there is a method in place to do that, to replace opinion and guesswork.
And then there is a huge difference between 2013 transfers prices and 2015 prices, the prices have escalated higher that our perceptions.
Barely have Liverpool sold one valuable player and people say 'good bit of business', but then they look around and see what they can buy and it doesn't match up, once all the slices are taken off the Sterling transfer they just have enough to buy a decent player.
If Roy was available today, facing the prime years of his career, Man U would not just be competing with Blackburn, but also the top clubs in Europe.
Possibly, but very few top clubs in Europe buy from relegated sides in England

[Charlie Darwin]

First league goal for Norwich puts them ahead against West Ham. Olsson is back so he's playing left wing, I think.

[Closed Account]

https://streamable.com/anxf

Serious lack of action in this thread...

[seanfhear]

A good pass from Noble:)

[Charlie Darwin]

A good pass from Noble:)
Call him up Marty!

[tricky_colour]

I wondered what was happening there, seems he has been moved to the wing from left-back, still unusual to see
him in the centre but I guess you might expect the winger to be there in that situation.

Took his goal well and good anticipation of the pass, class goal all round, who need grealish when you have player like brady?

[DeLorean]

A friend of mine was at Anfield yesterday and said Grealish was probably the best player on the pitch and couldn't believe he was taken off. September is nearly over by the way!!

Interesting about Brady going back to midfield, it never occurred to me that he was only playing left back due to an absentee. I think that's good really in the long run. I reckon we should do the same.

[seanfhear]

Brady did try to return the favour with a very wayward pass that West Ham probably should have scored from.

It takes time to develop the instants of a defender even though he wasn't playing in defence yesterday. Its a pity we don't have a quality left full back as Robbie would be very useful further up field for us.

[DeLorean]

I'd be happy out with Wilson going back there really.

[IsMiseSean]

If Greg Cunningham can stay fit and keeps getting regular football, I think he could be a good option at LB.

[seanfhear]

I'd be happy out with Wilson going back there really.Not a bad suggestion. In an ideal world he would be playing there for Stoke but I suppose they are unlikely to do this for our benefit:). Maybe the next time we have a friendly Wilson or Cunningham would be worth a go.

[tricky_colour]

Brady did try to return the favour with a very wayward pass that West Ham probably should have scored from.

It takes time to develop the instants of a defender even though he wasn't playing in defence yesterday. Its a pity we don't have a quality left full back as Robbie would be very useful further up field for us.


Yea cross field passes in front of your own goal are a never a great idea, far better to lump it up the pitch. :)

[seanfhear]

Yea cross field passes in front of your own goal are a never a great idea, far better to lump it up the pitch. :)Its not a great place to be passing to the opposition alright:).You wouldn't want to be doing it all the time.

[tricky_colour]

He got an assist today.

Can't find his thread



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP38rmdONWY

Some other classy play from him

[tricky_colour]

Saw some good play form Hoolahan.

[DeLorean]

It's the only thread that shows up when you search his name (title only)! He got motm, was brilliant. Hoolahan good too.

[tricky_colour]

I did search!! McClean came up first!!

[tricky_colour]

Man of Match for Brady!

[tricky_colour]

Highlighted on Sky sports, I expect will be the same on MOTD tonight.
Seems to be developing into a top player.

Did seem him take one poor free kick though, hit the first man lol, I don't understand
how someone of his ability can do that, to make a golf analogy it is like a top golfer
chipping into the bunker rather than over it!

[Olé Olé]

It will be interesting to see if Norwich go down where he'll go next. I'm sure he'll have suitors but I'm interested to see if they'll be top half, as opposed to bottom half. It might not take Norwich going down to get him an upward move anyway.