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tricky_colour

29/12/2012, 5:54 PM

Is "Goal" and Allah the same word?:want:

No they are different words, goal is هدف and God is الله:)
No idea if they sounds the same but Arabs do tend to say God a lot.
Actually their word for goal is, in English "hadaf".
I think he says hadaf at about 20 seconds.

Note Robbie Brady is wearing green boots!!
Very good corner and header.
Is there a better striker of a dead ball then Brady?

harry crumb

29/12/2012, 10:19 PM

Any idea how he is doing in general play?

We only see goal updates on player threads it seems.

tricky_colour

29/12/2012, 11:24 PM

Yard of Pace

30/12/2012, 12:03 AM

Meyler looks like he could turn into a very good attacking midfielder judging by the FL Show highlights. Could have had 1 or 2 more today. He really has a bit about him anyway.

Grafter

30/12/2012, 1:19 AM

Meyler looks like he could turn into a very good attacking midfielder judging by the FL Show highlights. Could have had 1 or 2 more today. He really has a bit about him anyway.
Agree, he certainly seemed to be in a rampaging mood against Leeds today anyways - great to see, seems a good egg too.

CraftyToePoke

30/12/2012, 3:35 AM

Meyler looks like he could turn into a very good attacking midfielder judging by the FL Show highlights. Could have had 1 or 2 more today. He really has a bit about him anyway.

Yeah, he did look to have had a very good game today. Everything good his side did seemed to have him centrally involved.

tommy_c12000

30/12/2012, 10:02 AM

Any idea how he is doing in general play?

We only see goal updates on player threads it seems.

I've been monitoring Hull City's forums since he went on loan. not606 seems to be the best one. Judging from what they have been posting, he was poor at the start but gradually has improved with every game. Understandable after not having played regular 1st team football in so long. In terms of passing ability, they say he is average enough. But he is excellent at breaking up the play and makes great runs into the box which evidently has resulted in a number of goals. His shooting has impressed me from what I have seen of him. Yesterday's game was his best thus far which is great to see. I reckon he will be going back to Sunderland this week though (for real!). Colback and Larsson got steamrolled yesterday in midfield. At the moment, Sunderland don't really have a midfield and a number of posters on Sunderland forums yesterday were calling for Meyler to be brought back to shore up the midfield in Cattermole's absence. All in all, very promising.

squareball

01/01/2013, 2:40 PM

Here is a player index for the Championship, he's not on it and neither is Brady but they have only played about 10 games each I think.
http://actim.pressassociation.com/
A number of Irish in there including Andy Reid at no 19.

11 Irish in the top 100. Meyler looks a decent player and I'd say Bruce could try and sign him in the summer especially if Hull go up. He's big, strong, athletic and can put in a tackle which is one thing we are missing from our midfield.

tetsujin1979

01/01/2013, 2:50 PM

rumours going around that Bruce is trying to sign him permanently in January
from Sky Sports: http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/clockwatch

More on the prospect of David Meyler joining Hull City and the local press is reporting that Tigers boss Steve Bruce has agreed a fee with Sunderland for the defender. More on this shortly...
by Chris Harvey 1:42 PM
Hasn't been anything since then though

SkStu

01/01/2013, 3:48 PM

Defender? Shoddy...

gastric

02/01/2013, 7:30 AM

The Mirror today is reporting the story too that Meyler is to join Hull for a fee of about 1.5 million in January. Good business for them, good move for Meyler. Sunderland might regret this in time.

BonnieShels

02/01/2013, 1:40 PM

Fee of 1.5m agreed according to RTE.

Meyler in Hull today (duh) to agree personal terms.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/english-league/2013/0102/361044-meyler-in-hull-talks-for-permanent-transfer/

frenchman

02/01/2013, 1:54 PM

will cork get anything from this?
was there not talk from Platini that each contrat had to include a minimum sell-on clause?
a nice 150 000 for cork if so..........

frenchman

02/01/2013, 1:59 PM

christ!!!!makes for sad reading
http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepage/sport/irishfootball/4721657/Steve-Bruces-Hull-of-a-deal-to-secure-David-Meyler.html

Mr A

02/01/2013, 2:24 PM

will cork get anything from this?
was there not talk from Platini that each contrat had to include a minimum sell-on clause?
a nice 150 000 for cork if so..........

I don't think the current Cork City will get anything. The old company will get 0.5% of the fee for each year he was with them between 12 and 24 if I recall correctly.

Edit- just saw the follow up. But like I said it would not have helped the current CCFC anyway.

geysir

02/01/2013, 2:27 PM

christ!!!!makes for sad reading
http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepage/sport/irishfootball/4721657/Steve-Bruces-Hull-of-a-deal-to-secure-David-Meyler.html
It does now, but when he did his cruciate in for a 2nd time, the €20k was looking good.

Did Sunderland pay his wages for the 2 years he was out, or is that sort of thing covered by insurance?

Paddy Garcia

02/01/2013, 7:16 PM

Given the performances he put in under Bruce for Sunderland - I'm a bit surprised that O'Neill has let him go so cheaply. Also at a time of midfield injuries.

There is a fair chance he will command a much greater fee over the next 2/3 years.

Charlie Darwin

02/01/2013, 7:23 PM

Presumably O'Neill needs to sell to buy and feels he can get a better player in his place. Not sure about that considering they're being run ragged by a brittle Liverpool side.

geysir

02/01/2013, 8:42 PM

They will have to pay quite a bit more than 1.5m just to get a similar player to Meyler.
But Meyler is a risk and maybe not worth a gamble just yet from a club like Sunderland who are in dire need of a string of results right now.

CraftyToePoke

03/01/2013, 12:57 AM

Disappointed O'Neill didn't see him worth half a dozen starts before deciding but I suppose he has little room for experimenting just now the way things are shaping up for him at Sunderland.

Charlie Darwin

03/01/2013, 1:02 AM

Disappointed O'Neill didn't see him worth half a dozen starts before deciding but I suppose he has little room for experimenting just now the way things are shaping up for him at Sunderland.
Even when Martin has room for experimentation, he has shown an admirable unwillingness to make even the smallest change. Unless Sunderland are planning to bring in serious reinforcements, they're going to collapse by April.

SwanVsDalton

03/01/2013, 12:00 PM

Anyone disappointed over O'Neill choosing to sell Meyler should remember this is the guy who flogged Gary Cahill to Bolton when everyone could tell he was going to be a top quality centre back. Reckon David has it in him to make Martin regret this one too.

the bear

03/01/2013, 12:59 PM

I'm glad he's gone. He will most likely be the main man in a premiership CM come september 2013. Hopefully Brady stays until at least the end of this season as well.

IsMiseSean

03/01/2013, 1:56 PM

Even when Martin has room for experimentation, he has shown an admirable unwillingness to make even the smallest change. Unless Sunderland are planning to bring in serious reinforcements, they're going to collapse by April.

Tim Cahill on loan for a couple of months is likely to be the highlight of their transfer window...

geysir

03/01/2013, 2:13 PM

There are 6 clubs below Sunderland, it's very unlikely they will be relegated.

Charlie Darwin

03/01/2013, 2:36 PM

There's only four points between them and the relegation zone, and Southampton have a game in hand, QPR have one of the most expensive teams in the league, Newcastle have an expensive squad too and Wigan are serial survivors. And like I said, O'Neill will play the same team week-in week-out and they'll tire towards the end of the season and pick up defeats when the other teams in the relegation scrap are picking up points.

the bear

03/01/2013, 2:37 PM

You would really think O'Neill would learn from past mistakes

geysir

03/01/2013, 5:58 PM

I'm sure he will be open to picking up a few tips from the fantasy managers :)

Sunderland (last I saw) were 1/16 to be relegated.

Charlie Darwin

03/01/2013, 6:10 PM

paul_oshea

03/01/2013, 6:18 PM

they have trailled off in the last month and a half never mind late in the season.

Gubbins94

03/01/2013, 6:22 PM

Sunderland should be okay, if things are still going poorly in 2 months MON can revert to his preferred 10 men behind the ball tactics and play for a set piece goal. The fans got on his back for doing it at the start of the season despite it working last season.

Regarding Meyler, I haven't seen much of him thi season but a reliable Hull fan tells me he's been great. Different to their other centre mids, breaks up play and makes late runs into the box for them. He's also sang Brady's praises time and time again. Brady is our future.

Charlie Darwin

03/01/2013, 6:32 PM

3 wins in 7 during which time they've played Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and the Manchester clubs isn't too bad. In fact, it's probably their best spell of the season. I just think if they're down there by March, they're not going to have much left in the tank to fight their way out.

paul_oshea

04/01/2013, 9:33 AM

I knew I should have added bar the last 3 of 4. They produced 3 good wins over the Christmas period but before that they were truly terrible.

geysir

04/01/2013, 10:37 AM

Appeals to authority are weak, you know that. There is an observable pattern in the way O'Neill (sparingly) utilises his squads and the manner in which it contributes to his team's performance tailing off at the end of the season - it's empirically measurable, if somewhat subjective.
That's just another MON myth, Charlie.
Aston Villa did alright (for a flogged dying horse) from April onwards in the last 6/7/8 matches of each of those seasons.
In the 4 seasons he was there, twice they finished stronger, once average and once weaker.

Charlie Darwin

04/01/2013, 12:31 PM

Do you have stats to back that up?

liamoo11

04/01/2013, 12:53 PM

1.5million is a big fee for a player with so little game time at his age and 2 big knee injuries. Everton paid about the same for Gibson. Be interesting to see where the better value lies. Will meyler s passing ability be good enough for a top 6 club in time?

Irwin3

04/01/2013, 2:57 PM

paul_oshea

04/01/2013, 3:01 PM

is groin a scrotum hernia?

Gubbins94

04/01/2013, 3:37 PM

Gibson has been superb for Everto. Look at their results with and without him.

liamoo11

04/01/2013, 4:33 PM

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2012/12/29/3635454/moyes-everton-do-not-intend-to-sell-fellaini-or-baines-in?matchId=81031&score_team1=8&score_team2=7&some_name=PREDICT

Gibson cost 500k but at the moment is looking like a stop-start kind of a player as he has a recurring thigh problem. I presume this is related to the recurring groin injury that he had in the past and is probably part of why he was so cheap as well as the fact that his contract was nearly up. If Meyler stays fit then he will no doubt more than repay that fee to Hull, but it is somewhat of a risk for them.

That is some value for everton considering how good he has been for them. Think he has been out with quad injuries. 2 cruciate tears with meniscal tears is a pretty nasty injury profile. greatest predictor of future knee injuries is unfortunately a history of previous knee injuries

geysir

05/01/2013, 6:56 AM

Do you have stats to back that up?

You mean, do I have a link to where the stats are? How about Wikipedia? :)
It's not rocket science research.

Start with Villas' 2009/10 season on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009–10_Aston_Villa_F.C._season) and work your way backwards

3 April 2010
Bolton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolton_Wanderers_F.C.)
0–1
Aston Villa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Villa_F.C.)
Bolton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolton)
[show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Aston_Villa_F.C._season#)]

3315 April 2010
Aston Villa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Villa_F.C.)
2–2
Everton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everton_F.C.)
Birmingham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham)
[show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Aston_Villa_F.C._season#)]

3418 April 2010
Portsmouth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth_F.C.)
1–2
Aston Villa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Villa_F.C.)
Portsmouth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth)
[show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Aston_Villa_F.C._season#)]

3521 April 2010
Hull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_City_A.F.C.)
0–2
Aston Villa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Villa_F.C.)
Kingston-upon-Hull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston-upon-Hull)
[show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Aston_Villa_F.C._season#)]

3625 April 2010
Aston Villa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Villa_F.C.)
1–0
Birmingham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_F.C.)
Birmingham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham)
[show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Aston_Villa_F.C._season#)]

371 May 2010
Manchester City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_City_F.C.)
3–1
Aston Villa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Villa_F.C.)
Manchester (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester)
[show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Aston_Villa_F.C._season#)]

389 May 2010
Aston Villa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Villa_F.C.)
0–1
Blackburn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Rovers_F.C.)
Birmingham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham)
[show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Aston_Villa_F.C._season#)]

Charlie Darwin

05/01/2013, 12:20 PM

tetsujin1979

05/01/2013, 3:55 PM

Meyler and Brady both missing for Hull today in the FA Cup, might not have permission to play them from their parent clubs

geysir

05/01/2013, 6:22 PM

No, I asking you to make your case. The results are a bit more mixed than I remember, but two of those seasons show disastrous finishes, and two are average enough, which for a side who were outspending those around them isn't much use. Sunderland aren't outspending anyone and the squad is threadbare enough as it is.

You asked me for links to support this statement I made
'Aston Villa did alright (for a flogged dying horse) from April onwards in the last 6/7/8 matches of each of those seasons.
In the 4 seasons he was there, twice they finished stronger, once average and once weaker.

I provided those links. You had earlier mentioned April as the fall off date, therefore I picked April onwards.
It's indisputable that Villa finished stronger in 2 out of the 4 seasons that MON was there. Those 2 finishes were better than Villas' average and in one of those seasons their position was already secure regardless, when they lost their last irrelevant match.
Their average finish in 2007/8 was not a disastrous finish, it was actually slightly better than average.
They averaged 1 83 points in each the last 6 games after April. Their season's average was 1.71

If you want to switch the goalposts, I'm not interested.

BonnieShels

05/01/2013, 7:05 PM

Meyler and Brady both missing for Hull today in the FA Cup, might not have permission to play them from their parent clubs

Hull are now Meyler's parent club aren't they?

Charlie Darwin

05/01/2013, 7:27 PM

You asked me for links to support this statement I made
'Aston Villa did alright (for a flogged dying horse) from April onwards in the last 6/7/8 matches of each of those seasons.
In the 4 seasons he was there, twice they finished stronger, once average and once weaker.

I provided those links. You had earlier mentioned April as the fall off date, therefore I picked April onwards.
It's indisputable that Villa finished stronger in 2 out of the 4 seasons that MON was there. Those 2 finishes were better than Villas' average and in one of those seasons their position was already secure regardless, when they lost their last irrelevant match.
Their average finish in 2007/8 was not a disastrous finish, it was actually slightly better than average.
They averaged 1 83 points in each the last 6 games after April. Their season's average was 1.71

If you want to switch the goalposts, I'm not interested.
I didn't say they collapsed in April, I said they burned out towards the end of the season. In two cases they did finish reasonably well, but in two others they collapsed completely in March, on both occasions failing to win a single match during that pivotal month. I'll give you it's not as clear cut as I said it was, but I still say it's a feature of his sides. He has his preferred line-up and he doesn't make enough use of his fringe players, which results in fatigue which is generally reflected in late-season results.

tricky_colour

05/01/2013, 10:42 PM

Meyler and Brady both missing for Hull today in the FA Cup, might not have permission to play them from their parent clubs

I'd say achieving promotion is far more important than the cup for Hull, no point in risking Meyler and Brady there, keep em for the games
that matter.

geysir

06/01/2013, 12:41 PM

I didn't say they collapsed in April, I said they burned out towards the end of the season. In two cases they did finish reasonably well, but in two others they collapsed completely in March, on both occasions failing to win a single match during that pivotal month. I'll give you it's not as clear cut as I said it was, but I still say it's a feature of his sides. He has his preferred line-up and he doesn't make enough use of his fringe players, which results in fatigue which is generally reflected in late-season results.
I did not claim you said MON's team collapse in April, I said April was the date you picked for the fall-off to begin with Sunderland.
It's not as clear cut as you said for sure, as Aston Villa finished stronger in 3 seasons out of 4.
Your claimed 'empirical decline' of a MON team, as a feature of his teams, is a myth. It is not a feature, it happened on occasion, with Villa - 1 season in 4.

Crosby87

06/01/2013, 1:29 PM

You two argue so passionately, I hesitate to think this but...there must be something more there. Something raw, forbidden.

Charlie Darwin

06/01/2013, 2:10 PM

I did not claim you said MON's team collapse in April, I said April was the date you picked for the fall-off to begin with Sunderland.
It's not as clear cut as you said for sure, as Aston Villa finished stronger in 3 seasons out of 4.
Your claimed 'empirical decline' of a MON team, as a feature of his teams, is a myth. It is not a feature, it happened on occasion, with Villa - 1 season in 4.
I didn't rule out collapsing before April! My research shows they typically crash in March.

2006-07: Strong finish, undefeated in final 2 months
2007-08: Mediocre finish, 3 wins from final 12 games, 2 of them against already-relegated sides
2008-09: Horrific finish, 2 wins from final 16 games, including 8 losses. Getting Newcastle relegated a redeeming feature.
2009-10: Mediocre finish, 4 wins from final 14 games (2 against already-relegated sides) including 2 cup finals,

Needless to say those Villa squads were streets ahead of this Sunderland side.