FAI Cup games [Archive] - Page 8

ToberonaTornado

29/09/2019, 10:58 PM

Some very thin-skinned peep about this place tonight
Just want to go on record - i never pm'd any boh or shams fan here EVER!! :D

Thought Dundalk Dundalk'd Sligo today.They do that they do.
Sligo are fairly impotent final 3rd,huffed & puffed but could hardly land a blow.Penalty shout was 50/50,Coughlan(hates a dive that guy :D )waiting for the contact.
Dundalk really got going in the final 25mins as Sligo's early energy levels dropped to zero and the goal was coming.Shanks Duffy with a shin-in ;)

Sets up a nice looking final fixture.

sbgawa

30/09/2019, 6:50 AM

I shouldn't allow myself to be wound up. MUST TRY HARDER . VAR would have given the peno as there's contact but I think he felt it and went over , by today's standards where football has become a non contact sport it could have been given but not by me.
It's a pet hate of mine hearing commentators talking about "Contact" as if that means it's a peno or a free regardless

dong

30/09/2019, 6:51 AM

Parkes a massive loss for us. Meant we could never have the option to stretch Dundalk in behind. Murray coming on was not going to be an adequate replacement. He has been a big let down. Looks like he is running in quicksand.
We put up a decent fight so relatively happy overall. There has been some progress made this season overall.

Real ale Madrid

30/09/2019, 8:56 AM

Lets play guess the final attendance. Could we be looking at 40k plus?

D24Saint

30/09/2019, 8:59 AM

Lets play guess the final attendance. Could we be looking at 40k plus?

How would it be as high as that ? I’d say 20-25k.

Real ale Madrid

30/09/2019, 9:14 AM

How would it be as high as that ? I’d say 20-25k.

30k last year - i'd have thought it will be at least that as a minimum. Rovers will bring massive numbers imo.

sbgawa

30/09/2019, 9:26 AM

I think the match will attract a bigger floating voter than dundalk cork , people were fed up with that ( unless u were from dundalk or cork I guess)
Will definitely be more than last year.....what was last year?

ToberonaTornado

30/09/2019, 9:27 AM

30k last year - i'd have thought it will be at least that as a minimum. Rovers will bring massive numbers imo.

I'd say your right.
Dundalk will bring good numbers,expect shams x2 us will as well,record attendance(36k) well in sight.
IF price of tickets kept to previous cup final €

nigel-harps1954

30/09/2019, 9:28 AM

If it reaches 30k that'll be the height of it. Especially with the way ticketba$tard look after general sales.

White Horse

30/09/2019, 9:37 AM

Rovers will bring massive numbers imo.

What is the view of Rovers fans on this. Will thousands of people who don't go to Tallaght turn up for a final?

sbgawa

30/09/2019, 9:48 AM

Rovers have a large base of fans that really see Rovers as their "team" but in much the way i might keep an eye out for the Milwall results (don't ask) without ever going to a game.
A final will bring them out, def expect a big attendance assuming some of the things they did last year around low ticket prices are repeated.

Ezeikial

30/09/2019, 9:54 AM

I shouldn't allow myself to be wound up. MUST TRY HARDER .

Please stop playing the victim

There was no wind-up attempt and nothing offense in what I posted, other than pointing out to you that apart from the FAI Cup, Dundalk also have the all-island competition to look forward too. (lifting the league trophy might also be a good buzz)

patrickccfc

30/09/2019, 9:55 AM

What is the view of Rovers fans on this. Will thousands of people who don't go to Tallaght turn up for a final?

Of course they will. Usually the case with every club that reaches the final.

bohsmug

30/09/2019, 9:55 AM

Rovers have an ability to pull in huge numbers on big occasions so it's a possibility. Rovers seem to have a really large latent support. That's not a criticism btw, it points at huge potential.

Hard to know about the neutral crowd. I normally go but I think I'll give this one a miss myself. :sweat:

placid casual

30/09/2019, 10:10 AM

sbgawa

30/09/2019, 10:23 AM

Ezeikial

30/09/2019, 10:24 AM

Think the attendance won't go over 25k personally. Dundalk fans appear to have fatigued judging by their attendences in the last week so can't see anymore than 8-10k dalk fans. Added to this is Rovers in the final which may cut down on neutrals in fear of non existent Rovers bogeys.
Should be a good final, if the weather doesn't ruin it.

The 25k figure is fairly close to the average over the last 4 years with Dundalk & Cork

The 25% increase in 2018 over 2017 (30k v 24K) doesn't indicate any fatigue, but it may be more related to how the match was promoted for the women's final and to neutrals. I expect that Dundalk ticket sales will be pretty consistent with previous years. The unknown factors are the non core Rovers support and the level of appetite for promotion within the FAI

White Horse

30/09/2019, 10:33 AM

Rovers had just as many gob****es for the final with Sligo and that drew a huge crowd.
Dundalk have a few idiots as well but i don't see people not going because of potential trouble unless the media start hyping it up that way.

There will be no/little trouble but I wouldn't be surprised if the media whipped up fears that risks keeping families away.

This has the makings of a good game. Both sides are more focused on their own game than stopping the opposition. They both play attractive football and have good benches to freshen things up in the second half.

Dundalk aregoing for the treble and Rovers for their first cup in God knows how long.

This should be an easy sell.

EatYerGreens

30/09/2019, 11:52 AM

Rovers had just as many gob****es for the final with Sligo and that drew a huge crowd.

That was the first event in the 'new' Lansdowne Rd though, so it attracted a big crowd just for that. For example - a group of 3 of us went along as neutrals largely to check out the new stadium.

Asterix

30/09/2019, 11:52 AM

Think 15,000 were sold by Rovers last time, Sold out the lower tier and had a large section of the East upper anyway. I imagine it will be similar again.

marinobohs

30/09/2019, 11:57 AM

Think the attendance won't go over 25k personally. Dundalk fans appear to have fatigued judging by their attendences in the last week so can't see anymore than 8-10k dalk fans. Added to this is Rovers in the final which may cut down on neutrals in fear of non existent Rovers bogeys.
Should be a good final, if the weather doesn't ruin it.

Is there a direct bus from Tallaght to Lansdowne Road :D would expect a big crowd at the final, Dundalk going for an incredible treble and shams the 'cup specialists'. any talk of a few cretins causing trouble will be nothing other than scaremongering, for all the embarrassing bull**** at Dalymount on Friday night (on both sides) there was never any real risk of anyone getting hurt. while the nonsense needs to be driven out of the game lets not overegg it either.

Two best teams in the league and a change from the Dundalk / Cork annual event, should attract a fair few neutrals. To be fair both sides play good football to watch. The thought of seeing Dundalk make history or shams return to winning trophies should encourage a good 'neutral' turnout as well.

EatYerGreens

30/09/2019, 12:04 PM

Dundalk aregoing for the treble and Rovers for their first cup in God knows how long.

It's 32yrs since Rovers last won the cup. Yet some commentators have still been calling them the Cup Kings and Cup specialists this season

This should be an easy sell.

I'd hope for a good crowd, but suspect there is zero chance of it selling out. Unless they do like the 1990 final and just let people in for free.

oriel

30/09/2019, 12:34 PM

Sickening way to lose it but we were out on our feet for the last 10. Dundalk better team without creating a huge pile of chances but having said that don�t remember Rogers making a save the whole game. Blatant penalty not given obviously and thought the free for the goal was harsh as well.

All in all a great occasion and hopefully won�t be a one off. Great to see the place full again. We�ve made good progress this season and be interesting to see who Buckley manages to bring in for next season.

Def looked a pen from Cleary's challenge, so we def got away with that. Thought Sligo did enough to desere a replay, Dlk weren't great, passing game wasn't helped by the pitch, why was it so bad, seemed to be bumps all over the place.

Dlk def finished the stronger but thats what they do when they dont play well, more grind down teams, and fitness generally shows, Murray should have scored before Duffys late late show.

Showgrounds did look great with the stands packed.

Martinho II

30/09/2019, 2:57 PM

Any particular reason for the returned tickets from the Dundalk Fans? I am a tad surprised that was all!

White Horse

30/09/2019, 4:40 PM

Any particular reason for the returned tickets from the Dundalk Fans? I am a tad surprised that was all!

600 is a very good travelling support for Dundalk in Sligo. Add in that the game was televised and it was quite predictable.

Would many clubs bring more fans to a televised game in Sligo?

oriel

30/09/2019, 5:53 PM

Any particular reason for the returned tickets from the Dundalk Fans? I am a tad surprised that was all!

Plenty, every game in the fai cup this season away from home, from Cobh, Waterford, Derry then Sligo. The 5pm on a Sun and live tv is another, as was another away game only 2 weeks ago, EA SC Final in Derry. I think 600 in the circumstances was pretty decent to be honest.

Martinho II

01/10/2019, 8:03 PM

600 is a very good travelling support for Dundalk in Sligo. Add in that the game was televised and it was quite predictable.

Would many clubs bring more fans to a televised game in Sligo?

for some reason thought the away support was a lot less but still impressive all the same!

Nesta99

01/10/2019, 11:45 PM

It's 32yrs since Rovers last won the cup. Yet some commentators have still been calling them the Cup Kings and Cup specialists this season

Its not just been this season, Rovers have been labled the Cup specialists for as long as Ive been following LoI, My 1st cup final was actually 1987 - awful game and not the best of experiences with the crowd skirmish for an 8 or 9 year old, but them were old days ;). The 'Keep Rovers at Milltown' group on the pitch at half time always struck me as odd as I presumed the FAI would have sanctioned that? yet were complicit in that mess, the memory is a bit hazy as was watching the abuse that was being hurled by both sets of fans. Almost wasnt allowed go to the '88 final as a result.

I'd be disappointed with less than 30k this year. That the attendance topped 30k last year regardless of the fatigue with another Dundalk v Cork final, felt like a proper cup final day atmosphere wise and the best of the series of finals between the two. I'd be thinking that Rovers would have more floating support (direct buses or not from Tallaght) as the timing of KO made it hard for Cork fans to travel on a school night. There will likely be more media hype too with the whole can cup specialists Rovers bridge a 32 year gap. Assuming the FAI continue with the same pricing, and with a little more effort in how and where seats will be allocated in the Aviva there is no reason not to hope for 30-35k if the game grabs the interest of the neutral. Lets hope that the media circus does not go off on unnecessary stories of corwd trouble. If its organised and policed as it should then there should be no issue!

sbgawa

01/10/2019, 11:53 PM

I think the whole cup specialist thing is just lazy journalism where the people writing or talking about the loi know f all about it and just reach for a handy quote from the archives, you rarely hear proper loi journos using it other than in an ironic way.
So many examples of journos talking about loi and getting absolute basic stuff wrong

Nesta99

02/10/2019, 12:18 AM

Ezeikial

02/10/2019, 6:22 AM

No issue with a club with the most cup wins and 3 in a row in the 80's being called cup kings or the like but hardly specialists over 32 years with a single LC since '87.

To be fair there are also a couple of Setantas and 3 Leinster Senior Cups since 1987

sbgawa

02/10/2019, 9:58 AM

Sonny

02/10/2019, 11:52 AM

Johnny Mc talking about a joint stadium between Dundalk in Drogheda in Ardee (off the M1??!) is a good example of the type of lazy or daft comment - he should know better...Ardee isnt off the M1;). No issue with a club with the most cup wins and 3 in a row in the 80's being called cup kings or the like but hardly specialists over 32 years with a single LC since '87. Derry would be more 'specialists'! i'm sure there will be plenty of it in the weeks ahead.

You can add in six in a row in the 60s. Regardless, I sincerely doubt anyone who gets wound up by the media using the term 'cup specialists' would be any more pleased with the term 'cup kings' and you'd have the exact same whinging about the time since Rovers last won it.

I really don't understand what winds people up so much. Rovers have won the competition 24 times - more than double the number of times of any other club. For that reason there is an association between Rovers and the cup and journalists/commentators/pundits highlight that. They just as frequently highlight the fact that it's been 32 years since the last one. Just get over it.

EatYerGreens

02/10/2019, 5:12 PM

You can add in six in a row in the 60s. Regardless, I sincerely doubt anyone who gets wound up by the media using the term 'cup specialists' would be any more pleased with the term 'cup kings' and you'd have the exact same whinging about the time since Rovers last won it.

I really don't understand what winds people up so much. Rovers have won the competition 24 times - more than double the number of times of any other club. For that reason there is an association between Rovers and the cup and journalists/commentators/pundits highlight that. They just as frequently highlight the fact that it's been 32 years since the last one. Just get over it.

Let's all settle on the term 'past-masters' to describe Rovers and the Cup then :D

#YesterdaysMen

Nesta99

02/10/2019, 6:35 PM

To be fair there are also a couple of Setantas and 3 Leinster Senior Cups since 1987

Completely remiss of me, especially on the LSC wins! Wouldnt have minded nabbing a Setanta Cup especially after the deluge v Sligo. Can set that straight in some way in the current version of a cross border competition in November.

The trouble with you youngsters is you think anything that happened pre 80's is like world war two era :)

Nah not WW2 but definitely Cold War! ;P

You can add in six in a row in the 60s. Regardless, I sincerely doubt anyone who gets wound up by the media using the term 'cup specialists' would be any more pleased with the term 'cup kings' and you'd have the exact same whinging about the time since Rovers last won it.

I really don't understand what winds people up so much. Rovers have won the competition 24 times - more than double the number of times of any other club. For that reason there is an association between Rovers and the cup and journalists/commentators/pundits highlight that. They just as frequently highlight the fact that it's been 32 years since the last one. Just get over it.

Its ok I'm well over it, By 31 years after seeing the most obvious stonewall penalty ever awarded in LoI history! (sorry Derry fans!!).

Let's all settle on the term 'past-masters' to describe Rovers and the Cup then :D

#YesterdaysMen

Sounds fair and Derry are officially League Cup specialists!

Sonny

02/10/2019, 6:47 PM

Let's all settle on the term 'past-masters' to describe Rovers and the Cup then :D

#YesterdaysMen

Fire away, although I'm not too sure you grasp the meaning of the term past masters!

Nesta99

03/10/2019, 9:55 AM

You sure you dont need to get over people not calling Rovers cup kings or cup specialists Sonny?

redarmyfaction

03/10/2019, 11:50 AM

for some reason thought the away support was a lot less but still impressive all the same!

That away section only takes about 400.

Ezeikial

03/10/2019, 12:47 PM

That away section only takes about 400.

Do you mean that the number of seats or Health & Safety certifications limit it to 400?

Could it be that 600 ticket holders were squashed into an area intended for 400?

red bellied

03/10/2019, 3:17 PM

Away section in Showgrounds holds 330 seats plus standing area to side of Jinks avenue. There was just over 500 tickets sold by Dundalk.

Ezeikial

03/10/2019, 4:06 PM

Do you mean that the number of seats or Health & Safety certifications limit it to 400?

Could it be that 600 ticket holders were squashed into an area intended for 400?

Away section in Showgrounds holds 330 seats plus standing area to side of Jinks avenue. There was just over 500 tickets sold by Dundalk.

Whether it was 600 people into 400 seats or 500 people into 330 seats it is 3 people for every 2 seats.

It seems a flippant approach to health & safety considerations

Sonny

03/10/2019, 4:15 PM

You sure you dont need to get over people not calling Rovers cup kings or cup specialists Sonny?

Not remotely bothered by what anyone calls Rovers, unlike all of the bed wetters who throw the same stampy every single year when it comes to cup time.

Nesta99

03/10/2019, 4:48 PM

Whether it was 600 people into 400 seats or 500 people into 330 seats it is 3 people for every 2 seats.

It seems a flippant approach to health & safety considerations

If this was the case then it is certainly wrong on so many levels - I have had the odd rant on overcrowding either due to selling too many tickets, too many people let crowd in to one or more blocks than should be considered safe, insufficient access or egress for numbers in attendance or simply that a safe holding capacity is set too high to be actually safe which thankfully these days a wink and a nod doesnt set a capacity...I hope! I wont repeat the rant but it is a really dodgy risk to take!!

Not remotely bothered by what anyone calls Rovers, unlike all of the bed wetters who throw the same stampy every single year when it comes to cup time.

I havent seen the tantrums you mention - a few scoffs or chuckles maybe!?

Ezeikial

03/10/2019, 4:53 PM

Not remotely bothered by what anyone calls Rovers, unlike all of the bed wetters who throw the same stampy every single year when it comes to cup time.

But is this malarkey actually an annual thing?

It has obviously receded over time. Maybe it reaches a crescendo whenever Rovers get to the cup final - 3 finals in the 3 decades tells its own story.

redarmyfaction

03/10/2019, 4:53 PM

Whether it was 600 people into 400 seats or 500 people into 330 seats it is 3 people for every 2 seats.

It seems a flippant approach to health & safety considerations

I think he mentioned that there is a standing area adjacent to the seated area to accommodate the other 175. Only 500 tickets were sold by Dundalk according to RB not 600.

Ezeikial

03/10/2019, 5:07 PM

I think he mentioned that there is a standing area adjacent to the seated area to accommodate the other 175. Only 500 tickets were sold by Dundalk according to RB not 600.

Based on what the clubs said before the match, 800 tickets were sent and 200 returned

I don't know the exact number of seats or tickets, but I can tell you I was in the away section and it was way overcrowded.

People were forced to stand in each aisle, in the area between the seats and wall (normally not allowed by stewards) and in many cases more people were standing in each row than seat spaces.

redarmyfaction

03/10/2019, 5:54 PM

Based on what the clubs said before the match, 800 tickets were sent and 200 returned

I don't know the exact number of seats or tickets, but I can tell you I was in the away section and it was way overcrowded.

People were forced to stand in each aisle, in the area between the seats and wall (normally not allowed by stewards) and in many cases more people were standing in each row than seat spaces.

They weren't obliged to enter the stand, they had the option to stand behind the goal. The same thing happened at the other semi with lots of empty seats in the tramway end of the Jodi and people cramming into the School End of that stand.

If one is going to be concerned at ground safety your only have to look at the Grassy Knoll at Oriel, I wouldn't want to standing on that on wet night wearing a Columbo coat.

Ezeikial

03/10/2019, 6:11 PM

If one is going to be concerned at ground safety your only have to look at the Grassy Knoll at Oriel, I wouldn't want to standing on that on wet night wearing a Columbo coat.

They weren't obliged to enter the stand, they had the option to stand behind the goal. The same thing happened at the other semi with lots of empty seats in the tramway end of the Jodi and people cramming into the School End of that stand.

Classic whataboutery - I would not want to stand on the Oriel Park grass area either, with or without a Columbo coat. Similarly I'm not sure how any alleged safety issues around over-crowding in Dalymount is some form of justification for the Showgrounds overcrowding highlighted

Are you seriously suggesting that supporters themselves created the problem by ignoring the direction and stewarding of the AGS and the Sligo Rovers stewards?

redarmyfaction

03/10/2019, 6:38 PM

Classic whataboutery - I would not want to stand on the Oriel Park grass area either, with or without a Columbo coat. Similarly I'm not sure how any alleged safety issues around over-crowding in Dalymount is some form of justification for the Showgrounds overcrowding highlighted

Are you seriously suggesting that supporters themselves created the problem by ignoring the direction and stewarding of the AGS and the Sligo Rovers stewards?

Did the stewards force Dundalk supporters into the stand?