Attendances 2018

[micls]

It's not just the group stages we can't play in the Cross though, it doesn't work for gheall playoff rounds either. But you're right, it's perfect for us the vast majority of the time.

[pineapple stu]

Does Turners Cross sell often?
Not as often as Dalymount or Tolka anyway.

[Nesta99]

Not as often as Dalymount or Tolka anyway.

Sell out obviously!

[pineapple stu]

I know. I couldn't resist though!

[Candystripe]

The Brandywell capacity is definitely too small. It was almost sold out against Waterford on Friday with only 100 or so empty seats but plenty of people standing either side of the Mark Farren stand. Great to see but can't see phase two happening any time soon.

[samhaydenjr]

It's not just the group stages we can't play in the Cross though, it doesn't work for gheall playoff rounds either. But you're right, it's perfect for us the vast majority of the time.

You have to give a lot of credit to the Munster Football Association in the '90s. I remember that, when Pat O'Donovan had his "vision" for Bishopstown, they quietly announced a plan to develop Turners Cross in a number of stages over a long period of time, only if funds allowed, at a time when it looked like they were about to lose their main tenant. But they ploughed on without fuss over a decade or so, got City back, and now The Cross is probably still the best looking stadium (at least until the new stand in Tallaght is added). I haven't been since '99 but when I see highlights of big games online in front of a packed house, it really does look the part, how LOI stadia should look

[micls]

No question. The Cross is a fantastic ground. And while we may have some issues here and there with the MFA, we're well aware how lucky we are to have it.

[redarmyfaction]

It would take a fourth stand at Tallaght before it would better than TX, for me Tallaght has something of the GAA about it maybe all those years of court cases rubbed off on it the wrong way.

[PartySaint]

I'd say around 1,700 in Richmond last night. Really good Waterford crowd for a Monday night

[Candystripe]

About 1800 at the Brandywell last night. Terrible conditions so pretty good for a Monday night.

[nr637]

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Our next home games is tonight Tuesday 16th April against Sligo Rovers, then Dundalk at home on Friday 27th April with a 7.15 pm kick-off and then its Limerick on the 5th May Saturday at 2pm

Will be curious to see how these games times will affect our home average!

[Real ale Madrid]

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Our next home games is tonight Tuesday 16th April against Sligo Rovers, then Dundalk at home on Friday 27th April with a 7.15 pm kick-off and then its Limerick on the 5th May Saturday at 2pm

Will be curious to see how these games times will affect our home average!


I reckon we are looking at 2,300 tonight.
Close to a sell out for Dundalk so say 6,500
Limerick on a Saturday afternoon will be interesting - i'll take a stab at over 4,000 if the weather is any way decent so say 4,250.

It looks like, if we can maintain a title challenge - then a league average of over 5k looks possible. The rivalry with Waterford could mean that there could be over 6,000 at that game in June. League average last year was 4,565.

[micls]

The earlier kick off for Dundalk could have an impact. Be a rush to get there after work for a lot of people.

We'll only have had 2 home games at our normal time up until after the Limerick game. Madness

[nigel-harps1954]

Suppose it's about time this was updated. Week 8...I think?

PREMIER DIVISION

Bohs - 2,131 (2,006; 1,627; 1,724; 1,395; 1,597; 1,496; 1,488; 1,835)
Bray - 728 (966; 957; 769; 718; 891; 965; 1,121; 952)
Cork - 4,898 (4,559; 2,533; 3,263; 3,777; 1,965; 2,786; 2,128 FD; 1,693 FD)
Derry - 2,740 (1,517; 1,563; 1,124; 1,106; 1,446; 1,460; 2,135; 1,965 FD)
Dundalk - 2,739 (2,674; 2,738; 3,158; 2,534; 1,997; 949; 1,355; 1,877)
Limerick - 1,281 (1,610; 1,131 FD; 1,206; 757; 1,649; 734 FD; 569 FD; 598 FD)
Pat's - 1,706 (1,504; 1,088; 1,321; 1,386; 1,687; 1,474; 1,346; 1,756)
Rovers - 3,325 (2,809; 2,041; 2,890; 2,269; 2,763; 3,127; 3,779; 3,794)
Sligo - 2,203 (1,717; 1,750; 1,750; 1,959; 2,342; 3,007; 2,103; 1,807)
Waterford - 2,668 (1,550 FD; 314 FD; 460 FD; 470 FD; 478 FD; 453 FD; 466 FD; 619 FD)

FIRST DIVISION

Athlone - 109 (154; 156; 314; 653 PD; 754; 271; 200; 354)
Cabinteely - 300 (346; 352; 610)
Cobh - 265 (358; 403; 366; 223; 439; 2008 - 1,122 PD; 681; 368)
Drogheda - 464 (850 PD; 583; 813 PD; 1,064 PD; 817 PD; 977 PD; 811 PD; 859 PD)
Galway - 957 (1,376 PD; 1,169 PD; 1,290 PD; 975)
Harps - 835 (1,202 PD; 1,216 PD; 784; 449; 479; 429; 433; 644)
Longford - 529 (342; 488 PD; 803 PD; 567; 379; 365; 315; 230)
Shels - 683 (496; 554; 596; 713; 1,114 PD; 1,187 PD; 781; 737)
UCD - 326 (236; 297; 216; 397 PD; 487 PD; 506 PD; 558 PD; 610 PD)
Wexford - 230 (338; 585 PD; 553; 331; 227; 302; 216; 343)


PREMIER AVERAGE: 2,387 (1,902; 1,476; 1,681; 1,502; 1,566; 1,630; 1,547; 1,512)
FIRST DIVISION AVERAGE: 461 (477; 476; 486; 495; 391; 372; 578; 682)

OVERALL AVERAGE: 1,479 (1,387; 1,117; 1,249; 1,160; 1,140; 1,125; 1,110; 1,095)


OVERALL PREMIER ATTENDANCE: 115,535 (376,627; 292,204; 332,805; 297,334)
OVERALL FIRST ATTENDANCE: 16,135 (53,461; 52,807; 54,474; 55,408)

OVERALL COMBINED ATTENDANCE: 131,670 (430,088; 345,011; 387,279; 352,742)

[micls]

3270 at the Cross tonight.

[El-Pietro]

3217.

[White Horse]

Great attendance for a Tuesday.

[El-Pietro]

Especially with a home game the previous Friday. Not many Sligo fans down either, though fair play to those who made the trek. I've done it the other way midweek, it's a long journey

[Real ale Madrid]

3217.

Didn't look anywhere near that to me.

[oriel]

3217.

To be fair that's fantastic for a mid week game, and very limited away support I would guess?

Should be full house on Fri week, I don't buy the earlier kick off (7.15) fans struggling to get there after work, if you want to be there, you'll make it. Only that I have Waterford away booked as a stop over, Id have gone down for this, should be a cracker on tv and for those lucky enough to attend.

Actually, what is the capacity of TC these days, and when was the last time it was full, I'd imagine for the Dundalk match in early Oct last year? Not sure I recall it being filled for any EL game. What a luxury to have, being able to sell 6k plus tickets for a european game in your home ground.

[micls]

Anytime a game is outside the normal time, our attendances are likely to be a bit lower. Half hour does make the difference with traffic etc. We come from Limerick for games, the earlier start makes it tight. A lot of city fans are coming from further away.

That said, it should be an important enough game to have a close to sell out regardless. Will be interesting to see what kind of buzz there is around it.

[Pablo Escobar]

To be fair that's fantastic for a mid week game, and very limited away support I would guess?

Should be full house on Fri week, I don't buy the earlier kick off (7.15) fans struggling to get there after work, if you want to be there, you'll make it. Only that I have Waterford away booked as a stop over, Id have gone down for this, should be a cracker on tv and for those lucky enough to attend.

Actually, what is the capacity of TC these days, and when was the last time it was full, I'd imagine for the Dundalk match in early Oct last year? Not sure I recall it being filled for any EL game. What a luxury to have, being able to sell 6k plus tickets for a european game in your home ground.
It was full for our game against Waterford this season.

[samhaydenjr]

I can see the switch to ten teams being a boon to attendances at the Cross - with three Dublin teams, title rivals Dundalk, a resurgent Derry team that features a few of potential future internationals, and two Munster derby rivalries, one of which has just got a bit spicier. The only real non-glamour visits will be from Sligo and Bray and even then, if the title is on the line on the final day, then Bray will become a big attraction

[EatYerGreens]

I reckon we are looking at 2,300 tonight.
Close to a sell out for Dundalk so say 6,500
Limerick on a Saturday afternoon will be interesting - i'll take a stab at over 4,000 if the weather is any way decent so say 4,250.

It looks like, if we can maintain a title challenge - then a league average of over 5k looks possible. The rivalry with Waterford could mean that there could be over 6,000 at that game in June. League average last year was 4,565.

Mentioning 'Limerick' and 'stab' in the same sentence is just trolling...

[EatYerGreens]

Suppose it's about time this was updated. Week 8...I think?

PREMIER DIVISION

Bohs - 2,131 (2,006; 1,627; 1,724; 1,395; 1,597; 1,496; 1,488; 1,835)
Bray - 728 (966; 957; 769; 718; 891; 965; 1,121; 952)
Cork - 4,898 (4,559; 2,533; 3,263; 3,777; 1,965; 2,786; 2,128 FD; 1,693 FD)
Derry - 2,740 (1,517; 1,563; 1,124; 1,106; 1,446; 1,460; 2,135; 1,965 FD)
Dundalk - 2,739 (2,674; 2,738; 3,158; 2,534; 1,997; 949; 1,355; 1,877)
Limerick - 1,281 (1,610; 1,131 FD; 1,206; 757; 1,649; 734 FD; 569 FD; 598 FD)
Pat's - 1,706 (1,504; 1,088; 1,321; 1,386; 1,687; 1,474; 1,346; 1,756)
Rovers - 3,325 (2,809; 2,041; 2,890; 2,269; 2,763; 3,127; 3,779; 3,794)
Sligo - 2,203 (1,717; 1,750; 1,750; 1,959; 2,342; 3,007; 2,103; 1,807)
Waterford - 2,668 (1,550 FD; 314 FD; 460 FD; 470 FD; 478 FD; 453 FD; 466 FD; 619 FD)

FIRST DIVISION

Athlone - 109 (154; 156; 314; 653 PD; 754; 271; 200; 354)
Cabinteely - 300 (346; 352; 610)
Cobh - 265 (358; 403; 366; 223; 439; 2008 - 1,122 PD; 681; 368)
Drogheda - 464 (850 PD; 583; 813 PD; 1,064 PD; 817 PD; 977 PD; 811 PD; 859 PD)
Galway - 957 (1,376 PD; 1,169 PD; 1,290 PD; 975)
Harps - 835 (1,202 PD; 1,216 PD; 784; 449; 479; 429; 433; 644)
Longford - 529 (342; 488 PD; 803 PD; 567; 379; 365; 315; 230)
Shels - 683 (496; 554; 596; 713; 1,114 PD; 1,187 PD; 781; 737)
UCD - 326 (236; 297; 216; 397 PD; 487 PD; 506 PD; 558 PD; 610 PD)
Wexford - 230 (338; 585 PD; 553; 331; 227; 302; 216; 343)


PREMIER AVERAGE: 2,387 (1,902; 1,476; 1,681; 1,502; 1,566; 1,630; 1,547; 1,512)
FIRST DIVISION AVERAGE: 461 (477; 476; 486; 495; 391; 372; 578; 682)

OVERALL AVERAGE: 1,479 (1,387; 1,117; 1,249; 1,160; 1,140; 1,125; 1,110; 1,095)


OVERALL PREMIER ATTENDANCE: 115,535 (376,627; 292,204; 332,805; 297,334)
OVERALL FIRST ATTENDANCE: 16,135 (53,461; 52,807; 54,474; 55,408)

OVERALL COMBINED ATTENDANCE: 131,670 (430,088; 345,011; 387,279; 352,742)

Bray are clearly the odd one out attendance-wise in the Premier Division - with an average attendance barely over half that of the next lowest club.

The sooner they go down and get replaced by the likes of Galway or Harps the better IMO.

[pineapple stu]

The better for who?

What impact would it have on attendances if Harps were there instead? Who'd think "Oh, Galway are playing Cork tonight, not Bray; I think I will pop down to the Showgrounds after all"?

[oldfan]

Have Galway moved their home games to Sligo😱

[sbgawa]

From a ground standards perspective Galway would be a welcome addition and they have a decent fan base.

[EatYerGreens]

The better for who?

What impact would it have on attendances if Harps were there instead? Who'd think "Oh, Galway are playing Cork tonight, not Bray; I think I will pop down to the Showgrounds after all"?

Can't believe I'm having to spell this out tbh.

The stats clearly show that the norm in the LOI is for Premier Division clubs to be getting over 1,000 to their average game.

Bray are clearly the only club that are not up to that. And not just by a little - but by a lot. They may well be in the PD on results (let's not get into the financial doping they were engaged in in the first half of last season before the wheels started to come off), but they do not have Premier Division levels of support. They are therefore adding little to the division IMO.

I am therefore arguing that it would be better for the league and its clubs - indeed, for everyone except Bray - if they were in the division which reflected their relative support levels and were replaced at the top level with a club which could draw Premier Division levels of support in that league - such as Galway or Finn Harps. And I hope that that is the outcome which will be delivered on the field of play.

I appreciate that as a UCD supporter you will doubtless disagree with this.

[sbgawa]

TBF to UCD at least UCD bring something to the division in terms of educating and developing players as well as a good youth setup.
Clubs can bring something to the league even without huge support. t
Setting up in areas that have potential......Kerry, Mayo or developing new clubs.

[Lim till i die]

There's probably fifteen teams in the league who's attendances would be every bit as bad as Bray in the same circumstances.

No official attendance given at the Markets Field last night for the second game in a row. I feel this may become a trend.

[pineapple stu]

Can't believe I'm having to spell this out tbh.

The stats clearly show that the norm in the LOI is for Premier Division clubs to be getting over 1,000 to their average game.

Bray are clearly the only club that are not up to that. And not just by a little - but by a lot. They may well be in the PD on results (let's not get into the financial doping they were engaged in in the first half of last season before the wheels started to come off), but they do not have Premier Division levels of support. They are therefore adding little to the division IMO.

I am therefore arguing that it would be better for the league and its clubs - indeed, for everyone except Bray - if they were in the division which reflected their relative support levels and were replaced at the top level with a club which could draw Premier Division levels of support in that league - such as Galway or Finn Harps. And I hope that that is the outcome which will be delivered on the field of play.

I appreciate that as a UCD supporter you will doubtless disagree with this.
None of that answers my question though. What would magically improve if Bray went down and Harps came up?

(This has nothing to do with being a UCD fan btw. This is logic for beginners)

[EatYerGreens]

None of that answers my question though. What would magically improve if Bray went down and Harps came up?

(This has nothing to do with being a UCD fan btw. This is logic for beginners)

The average attendance in the PD would improve, by replacing Bray's sub-1,000 average in the PD with Harps above-1,000 average in the PD (as they've had whenever they've been up there). Ditto for Galway.

So the answer is attendances. Overall average attendances for the top division would improve. This is, after all, an attendances thread :)

[pineapple stu]

Average attendances might improve? Is that it?

Something that won't benefit 9 of the 10 clubs?

Should we not just reduce the league to Cork v Rovers if that's the shortsightedness of your thinking?

[EatYerGreens]

Average attendances might improve? Is that it?

Something that won't benefit 9 of the 10 clubs?

Should we not just reduce the league to Cork v Rovers if that's the shortsightedness of your thinking?

Higher attendances in our top division helps everyone - making the league look more popular, increasing exposure for sponsors, better atmosphere at games, looks better on TV, longer queues at toilets etc. And clubs which have more fans are broadly more likely to also take fans away as well - so it would arguably also have a direct financial benefit to other clubs in the PD. If you're struggling to draw a crowd at home, you're certainly not going to be bringing many away.

Plus - Galway or Harps would mean more derby fixtures each season, which in themselves tend to generate higher crowds. Despite having a few clubs on their doorstep, no-one treats Bray as a derby game. And despite having a decent number of away fans from Dublin clubs at their games, Bray's average attendances are still the weak link in the PD.

Let's all pretend that we don't care about having higher attendances in our league now :D

I'll turn it around and ask you to explain to me what Bray bring to the PD that the likes of Galway wouldn't (hilarious press statements aside) ?

[sbgawa]

I feel sorry for the bray fans with the clowns running the place ..can't really blame them for staying away. Even the way st Joseph's are allowed play as st joesephs bray in the under age leagues is a joke

[pineapple stu]

Higher attendances in our top division helps everyone - making the league look more popular, increasing exposure for sponsors, better atmosphere at games, looks better on TV, longer queues at toilets etc. And clubs which have more fans are broadly more likely to also take fans away as well - so it would arguably also have a direct financial benefit to other clubs in the PD. If you're struggling to draw a crowd at home, you're certainly not going to be bringing many away.
What sponsors?

Bray or Harps in the league won't make a difference to Cork v Dundalk. Or Cork v Bray/Harps when it comes to it. What difference 20 v 40 away fans?

Looks better on TV? When were Bray or Harps last on telly anyway? They get shown once a year tops, when they're fodder for Cork/Dundalk.

Longer queues at toilets?! I'll assume that's a **** take (if you'll pardon the pun)

Seriously - none of your points means anything at a league level.


I'll turn it around and ask you to explain to me what Bray bring to the PD that the likes of Galway wouldn't (hilarious press statements aside) ?
Nothing, of course. It doesn't really make a difference. That's my whole point. Galway are a basket case of a club with no training facilities dogged by infighting with local clubs; what do they bring to the league? (Exaggerated for effect, Galway fans!) Harps just kick the ****e out of players; what do they bring?

[Candystripe]

The Brandywell was officially opened yesterday,including the Derry city pitch, Greyhound track next door and the kids parks further over. The council representative said the Brandywell has now after five home games has had over 15,000 fans though the turnstiles!

They also said current capacity is 3,700.

I've missed five games at the Brandywell in 33 years, was hard to see or estimate the attendance because of the new stadium but apart from the Bohs game on Monday night I thought ther previous game's were well over 3,000.

[sbgawa]

Ok so your honeymoon was one.
Medically induced coma for two and caught abroad by the ash cloud for the others....am I close

[Candystripe]

Ok so your honeymoon was one.
Medically induced coma for two and caught abroad by the ash cloud for the others....am I close

The ash cloud was actually one. Ten of us stranded in Benidorm for eight extra days. 😎

[Partizan]

2,024 tonight at the RSC for Waterford v Bray.

[ToberonaTornado]

3191 Dundalk v Derry.

*foot.ie voice* "seemed like a hell of alot more" :D

add about 400 more i reckon but that's what was announced ///.,,,,,

[El-Pietro]

Would expect a very large crowd for the game next Friday after tonights results. Certainly over 6k. Potential sell out.

[ger121]

2281 at Dalyer according to the42.ie

[ger121]

Might I add, that crowds seem to be holding well so far in the PD.

[oriel]

3191 Dundalk v Derry.

*foot.ie voice* "seemed like a hell of alot more" :D

add about 400 more i reckon but that's what was announced ///.,,,,,

Before the crowd was announced I was thinking it would be just over 3k, so the official figure was a little more than I expected. This is a decent crowd to be fair. If Dundalk can maintain crowds of 3k they won’t be doing a lot wrong.

[nigel-harps1954]

Scarcely 400 in Finn Park

[Candystripe]

I reckon 6k plus next week at Turners cross and a capacity crowd at the Brandywell for the visit of Shamrock rovers of 3,700.

[oriel]

Early season crowds are usually higher but we will be into May soon and crowds for the top 5 or so seem to have increased and by a fair bit.

It would be interesting to compare these to Irish League current crowds as they are into the last 2 games. I'd say some of ours might be double in some cases.

[ToberonaTornado]

Irish Cup final: A record 10,000 tickets sold for showpiece deciderhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43817659