Harry Arter M Precision Football b.1989

[DeLorean]

Looked good in the spring I thought.

He only got a half hour or so against Slovakia and I remember it as being a pretty frustrating outing for him, too little time to impress and spent most of his time giving out to the officials.

[OwlsFan]

When has Pilkington flattered to deceive at international level? He's barely even featured at international level! Looked good in the spring I thought.

So do daffodils...

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Tinfoil hat time?

[geysir]

This is going to be the new James McCarthy thread, isn't it?
With Tricky on speed, willing to do all the heavy lifting, we'll be there in record time.

[tricky_colour]

You certainly will, Arter is still at his club for an injury assessment, seems he has a niggling groin injury that flare up before internationals.

Well done Martin O Neil you are a genius, you and Roy together must be the smartest people on the planet!!!

The dynamic duo!!


Arter, McGeady (Preston) and Keiren Westwood (Sheffield Wednesday) were absent from training in Abbotstown this afternoon because they stayed back for assessment with their employers. Arter damaged his groin on club duty

Lucky he was able to play the full 90 with the injury.

Shocking!

A bigger circus than the US presidential elections.

[tricky_colour]

HARRY Arter is due to undergo a scan to discover if the hamstring problem he sustained at Watford will condemn him to a spell on the sidelines.
Arter went to ground clutching the muscle during the first half of his side's 2-2 draw at Vicarage Road on Saturday.
The 26-year-old midfielder quickly returned to the fray and completed 90 minutes but subsequently admitted he was unsure if he would be fit to report for Republic of Ireland duty for World Cup qualifiers against Georgia and Moldova.
Arter told the Daily Echo: "It was a little bit sore. I’ll probably have a scan on it on Monday, so fingers crossed it won’t be anything too serious.
"It was very sore in the second half but I was able to get through the game. I just tried to grit my teeth and get through it. We'll assess it now."
Arter's tremendous form would surely have thrust him to the forefront of Irish boss Martin O'Neill's thoughts as a potential starter against Georgia on Thursday.
And his chances of featuring would have been further boosted by James McCarthy not having played for Everton since the end of August due to a groin injury.
But despite being desperate to add to his three full caps, Arter is taking nothing for granted.
He said: "It’s a tough team to get into. James McCarthy wasn’t there last time around (when Ireland drew their opening qualifier in Serbia) and I didn’t get any minutes then. So, hopefully, this time around, if am fit, I will get a few more minutes.
"It’s an honour to represent your country. I always look forward to it whether it’s a friendly or a qualifier." http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/14777966.AFC_Bournemouth__Arter_set_for_scan_to_di scover_extent_of_hamstring_injury/

[Stuttgart88]

What's your point tricky?

[tricky_colour]

He should have been capped v Serbia, it was a staggeringly blunder not to cap him them, apart from the Martin and Roy are doing a great job.

I'd put it on a par with jumping out of a plane with out a parachute on, not necessarily fatal but the outlook is not good.

[tetsujin1979]

He should have been capped v Serbia, it was a staggeringly blunder not to cap him them, apart from the Martin and Roy are doing a great job.

I'd put it on a par with jumping out of a plane with out a parachute on, not necessarily fatal but the outlook is not good.
are you saying they're going to die if Arter declares for England?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

He should have been capped v Serbia, it was a staggeringly blunder not to cap him them, apart from the Martin and Roy are doing a great job.

I'd put it on a par with jumping out of a plane with out a parachute on, not necessarily fatal but the outlook is not good.

So we either should have brought on Arter instead of Quinn (who was key to our turning the tide), Murphy (who scored) or Clark in the closing moments (who is a defender, as opposed to a tough tackling midfielder).

[tricky_colour]

are you saying they're going to die if Arter declares for England?


They will if I get my hands on them! ;)

[Stuttgart88]

...and all this because Paul Merson didn't know he had been playing for us?

[tricky_colour]

...and all this because Paul Merson didn't know he had been playing for us?


No it's because he knows the rules, we don't apparently.

[geysir]

Roy puts my gut at ease,
in reply to q's about Harry and England.
"We are delighted to have him on board but he is committed to us and it is unfortunate that he has missed one or two games through injury."

[gastric]

Tricky he is ours to lose and I don't see Martin and Roy letting that happen. The fallout would be too much as well as the fact these guys are very experienced. I am sure lots of TLC is occurring to ensure this.

[SkStu]

This is being reported by a few twitterists tonight. Not good from MON if true...

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_dave/status/784142770407694336

[TrapAPony]

This is being reported by a few twitterists tonight. Not good from MON if true...

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_dave/status/784142770407694336

Look at the rest of his tweets. David Luiz 'fails medical' at Chelsea...Jack Wilshere signs for Spurs for 35 million..Lucas Perez decides to join Everton instead of Arsenal etc. It is an account taking the mickey.

Miguel Delaney says he asked some FAI guy who just laughed at the rumour and said that Harry is injured.

[SkStu]

Thank goodness for that. There were a few other sources twittering the switch (not the argument piece).

Thought the bbc handle meant he was credible! Doh!

[Stuttgart88]

George caulking referred to a rumour about Arter in the Times today. The rest of his article was accurate. We wuz shyte.

[tetsujin1979]

According to George Caulkin of The Times, there's nothing to the story: https://twitter.com/CaulkinTheTimes/statuses/784348583281750016

Contrary to rumour, Harry Arter is not going to declare for England. The Bournemouth man remains committed to Ireland.

[tricky_colour]

Nice to hear Caulkin saying he won't be declaring for Ireland, Ireland have enough writers as it is.

(this may not make any sense).

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/daft-arter-episode-an-embarrassing-consequence-of-irresponsible-tweeting-35113391.html


Daft Arter episode an embarrassing consequence of irresponsible tweeting.

[SkStu]

I, for one, would like to apologize unreservedly for my prominent role in this sordid affair.

[gastric]

There is possibly a lot of insecurity among many fans after Grealish's actions. I for one never thought Arter would choose England, but I recognise the fear. CALM down now Tricky and Stu! :-)

[gastric]

In do reporting After received vile insults after it was reportedly he might switch. If true, I am truly embarrassed by this.

[Olé Olé]

Social media really does serve to highlight how stupid some people can be.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/harry-arter-rumours-show-how-media-needs-to-get-its-story-straight-1.2821560


Oddly, the Arter story becomes a little more complicated with hindsight. During calls made in connection with this article, it was suggested that doubts had been expressed within the Ireland set-up about the player’s commitment – it really was as tenuous as that but even that would have been enough, perhaps, to justify questioning O’Neill on the issue.

This is interesting. I wonder why there were doubts.


It is not clear on this occasion whether the Irish management team felt he might, at a stretch, have pushed himself so as to be available to play despite an injury that scans suggested was not that serious, but both O’Neill and Roy Keane (http://www.irishtimes.com/search/search-7.1213540?tag_person=Roy%20Keane&article=true) said publicly that they believed it was his prerogative to withdraw from the squad if he did not feel right.

Some of my confusion lied in the fact that he was so desperate to include himself in the Euros squad, and was disappointed to ultimately be left out, yet seemed to be making himself unavailable for selection as soon as the squad met up for these two games - despite an innocuous enough injury.

If McCarthy could have started the Georgia game, surely Arter could have made himself available.

Just my two cents.

Anyways. Good to see he's reiterated his commitment. Pity about the abuse on Twitter, but every country has its idiots.

[DeLorean]

Wtf has McCarthy being fit to play got to do with Arter not being fit to play? It's not too long ago you were accusing McCarthy of lacking commitment and not playing when he could have, now you're using him as an example that others should follow. The injuries aren't even comparable anyway.

[BonnieShels]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/daft-arter-episode-an-embarrassing-consequence-of-irresponsible-tweeting-35113391.html

And yet the Sunday Indo ads on radio keep going on about the Harry Arter SAGA!!!

Unbelievable.

FWIW I really like Dan McDonnell and it grates on me that he writes for INM.

[tetsujin1979]

This is interesting. I wonder why there were doubts.

Some of my confusion lied in the fact that he was so desperate to include himself in the Euros squad, and was disappointed to ultimately be left out, yet seemed to be making himself unavailable for selection as soon as the squad met up for these two games - despite an innocuous enough injury.

If McCarthy could have started the Georgia game, surely Arter could have made himself available.

Just my two cents.

Anyways. Good to see he's reiterated his commitment. Pity about the abuse on Twitter, but every country has its idiots.
Are you familiar with the media term "dogwhistle"?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I'm pretty positive I was one of the few sticking up for McCarthy when Trapattoni seemed to be doing his utmost to encourage him and Wilson to defect.

And yeah the injuries aren't comparable. McCarthy was probably a lot more touch and go than Arter yet he came in and started after a month long absence.

I don't think Arter would miss a game for Bournemouth in these circumstances. O'Neill and Keane's body language doesn't assuage my doubts about that.

Just my two cents without casting aspersions on his commitment.

[DeLorean]

You don't know what you're talking about though, Arter knows his own body and it's idle speculation on your part to suggest he would or wouldn't play in the same circumstances for Bournemouth, and I'm sure I've seen you post similar stuff about McCarthy with regards playing for Everton and not us. Arter played through the pain not so long ago and ended up doing himself further damage, I'm sure he said something about learning from that experience. McCarthy made a timely recovery from his operation, Arter picked up an untimely knock from our point of view. Nothing to see here.

Were you even on here when Trap was in charge? I've no idea what you mean by "one of the few".

[tetsujin1979]

I'm pretty positive I was one of the few sticking up for McCarthy when Trapattoni seemed to be doing his utmost to encourage him and Wilson to defect.

And yeah the injuries aren't comparable. McCarthy was probably a lot more touch and go than Arter yet he came in and started after a month long absence.

I don't think Arter would miss a game for Bournemouth in these circumstances. O'Neill and Keane's body language doesn't assuage my doubts about that.

Just my two cents without casting aspersions on his commitment.

According to your profile, you joined foot.ie in December 2012, James McCarthy made his debut for Ireland in March 2010. So either you're lying about it, or you posted under a previous account.

[Stuttgart88]

Towk's views on respective severity of injuries simply reflect what he wants to believe. Keith Andrews said he could see he was clearly injured in Bournemouth's last match. That's a better informed view than anything else that has been written.

And digressing slightly, Walters was a country mile better than Long on Thursday. Another TOWK hobby horse addressed.

[Closed Account]

And digressing slightly, Walters was a country mile better than Long on Thursday. Another TOWK hobby horse addressed.
Ah now, how long is your country mile? I'm a Walters fan but he's off the boil, possibly won't see his best again.

[Stuttgart88]

One sumptuous cross for McClean, another lovely ball across the 6 yard box that nobody attacked. Rare moments of quality in an otherwise agricultural performance from the team. Maybe not a country mile but noticeably more impressive in my opinion.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Ah now, how long is your country mile? I'm a Walters fan but he's off the boil, possibly won't see his best again.

So far in the entire first half of this game, he had one good one-two with Coleman and won a free kick in a dangerous area just before the Moldovan goal. He touched the ball maybe once or twice apart from that.

Compare that to Long, McClean and Hoolahan, who aside from all being involved in our goal have had far more of an impact on this game.

His performance against Georgia wasn't any better.

Stutts literally mentioned the only two instances in that game where he did anything of note.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

You don't know what you're talking about though, Arter knows his own body and it's idle speculation on your part to suggest he would or wouldn't play in the same circumstances for Bournemouth, and I'm sure I've seen you post similar stuff about McCarthy with regards playing for Everton and not us. Arter played through the pain not so long ago and ended up doing himself further damage, I'm sure he said something about learning from that experience. McCarthy made a timely recovery from his operation, Arter picked up an untimely knock from our point of view. Nothing to see here.

Were you even on here when Trap was in charge? I've no idea what you mean by "one of the few".

O'Neill and Keane seem to think he could've played. He picked up the injury in a match for Bournemouth and went on to complete the 90 minutes. I'm sure he'll be back in the starting line-up for their next game. McCarthy wasn't given much of a hope of playing any part in these two games but has started both. Hendrick even travelled with the team to Moldova despite being suspended.

I just think it's a bit odd. He seemed to rule himself out as soon as the squad assembled for what has been referred to several times as an innocuous injury.

[DeLorean]

Why would he not want to play?

Show me the quotes where O'Neill and Keane seem to think he could have played. At best it's a very loose interpretation of what they have said.

Hendrick travelling with the squad is fantastic I think, really admirable. But he doesn't have an injury so it's completely irrelevant.

[DeLorean]

And what are you on about regarding Trap/McCarthy?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Why would he not want to play?

Show me the quotes where O'Neill and Keane seem to think he could have played. At best it's a very loose interpretation of what they have said.

Hendrick travelling with the squad is fantastic I think, really admirable. But he doesn't have an injury so it's completely irrelevant.

IDK. Especially since he had a worse injury before the Euros and wanted desperately to make himself available for that.

There are a couple of quotes I refer to. One of them is in the Irish Times article I linked to.

And in response to your other comment, the Internet has been available since what, 1993?

[Stuttgart88]

So far in the entire first half of this game, he had one good one-two with Coleman and won a free kick in a dangerous area just before the Moldovan goal. He touched the ball maybe once or twice apart from that.

Compare that to Long, McClean and Hoolahan, who aside from all being involved in our goal have had far more of an impact on this game.

His performance against Georgia wasn't any better.

Stutts literally mentioned the only two instances in that game where he did anything of note.Both important instances in a tight game.

[Stuttgart88]

IDK. Especially since he had a worse injury before the Euros and wanted desperately to make himself available for that.

There are a couple of quotes I refer to. One of them is in the Irish Times article I linked to.

And in response to your other comment, the Internet has been available since what, 1993?The Irish Times quote said nothing. Some say suspicions within the camp, or something woolly.

And again, trust me: an innocuous injury can be enough to rule you out for 7 days but not 10. Nothing sinister there. I ran a half marathon this morning at 90% effort. Could I compete tomorrow? No. Tuesday? Doubtful. Wednesday, definitely.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Apples and oranges.

The quotes are there for anyone who wants to dig them up. No need for any of us to analyse them to death.

What I will say though is if that's genuinely enough to rule someone out of both matches, then Ireland - and most teams - would struggle to put out an 11 for every match.

If you held Jon Walters to the same standard then he probably wouldn't/shouldn't have been fit enough to start the last four games he started going back to Sweden.

[tetsujin1979]

Apples and oranges.

The quotes are there for anyone who wants to dig them up. No need for any of us to analyse them to death.

What I will say though is if that's genuinely enough to rule someone out of both matches, then Ireland - and most teams - would struggle to put out an 11 for every match.

If you held Jon Walters to the same standard then he probably wouldn't/shouldn't have been fit enough to start the last four games he started going back to Sweden.

That's not an answer. Please provide the quotes you mention.

Also, you're going to have to clarify this, given that you didn't register on foot.ie until almost two years after McCarthy made his debut


I'm pretty positive I was one of the few sticking up for McCarthy when Trapattoni seemed to be doing his utmost to encourage him and Wilson to defect.

And yeah the injuries aren't comparable. McCarthy was probably a lot more touch and go than Arter yet he came in and started after a month long absence.

I don't think Arter would miss a game for Bournemouth in these circumstances. O'Neill and Keane's body language doesn't assuage my doubts about that.

Just my two cents without casting aspersions on his commitment.

[CraftyToePoke]

The elders of this little corner of the www are beginning to sharpen their knives upon your mistakes TOWK, old boy.

[Closed Account]

If you held Jon Walters to the same standard then he probably wouldn't/shouldn't have been fit enough to start the last four games he started going back to Sweden.
So is Jon deserving of credit for playing through the pain? Or should he have tapped out like Arter?

[Stuttgart88]

Apples and oranges.

The quotes are there for anyone who wants to dig them up. No need for any of us to analyse them to death.

What I will say though is if that's genuinely enough to rule someone out of both matches, then Ireland - and most teams - would struggle to put out an 11 for every match.

If you held Jon Walters to the same standard then he probably wouldn't/shouldn't have been fit enough to start the last four games he started going back to Sweden.

No, not apples and oranges. It doesn’t matter what the sport is, some injuries only take a week or so to heal. Some minor injuries genuinely present a longer term risk if put under unnecessary strain.

You’re being evasive and disingenuous by saying “the quotes are there for anyone”. Here is the quote I was referring to. Is this not the one you mean too?

Emmet Malone (emphasis mine)

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/harry-arter-rumours-show-how-media-needs-to-get-its-story-straight-1.2821560

Oddly, the Arter story becomes a little more complicated with hindsight. During calls made in connection with this article, it was suggested that doubts had been expressed within the Ireland set-up about the player’s commitment – it really was as tenuous as that but even that would have been enough, perhaps, to justify questioning O’Neill on the issue.

This might indeed be the basis on which it was asked but it is certainly not the way the question was framed, and so O’Neill believed, as did all of the other reporters, that he was being questioned about Arter’s intentions on the basis of nothing more than rumour.

Rather, all the available evidence points to Arter having quietly, and with some dignity, accepted a number of injury setbacks and disappointments as he waits to make his competitive debut.

It is not clear on this occasion whether the Irish management team felt he might, at a stretch, have pushed himself so as to be available to play despite an injury that scans suggested was not that serious, but both O’Neill and Roy Keane said publicly that they believed it was his prerogative to withdraw from the squad if he did not feel right.

This doesn't even say "who the "calls" were made to or who did the suggesting - Malone himself perhaps?.

And I don’t think Walters should have started versus Sweden, especially in hindsight, but the medical team gave him the all clear. If anything it strengthens my point. Even when the scans are clear, a player can break down. Walters did.

[DeLorean]

And this is Roy Keane's direct quote on the issue.


He’s had a scan. It was positive, but the lad is still feeling tight. He hasn’t trained today and if you’re not training two days before a game, that's a problem. Hopefully it settles down and he can play a part in the second game. It’s unfortunate; he’s had some bad luck with injuries.

In no way does this suggest that Keane felt he could have played if only the will was there. He's actually being remarkably understanding and even sympathetic. Of course, Keane's autobiography is full of regrets of not minding himself a bit more and playing in games that he really should have sat out.


And in response to your other comment, the Internet has been available since what, 1993?

I know you probably had a cyber life before your foot.ie debut, but what was the point of you saying you were one of the few defending McCarthy and Wilson (as if it was something we should all have been aware of!). What has it got to do with you later accusing McCarthy of lacking commitment and now Arter?

[BonnieShels]

Has he inevitably defected yet?