Harry Arter M Precision Football b.1989

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I don't think Roy Keane would be in and out of the Leeds team though. He was also let go by Bournemouth so I wouldn't place too much hopes on him. Whelan plays regularly in the EPL. It would be great of course if he developed in to such a player.

As regards Arter karting, he may have gone with the team but did he kart ? I would be surprised that someone nursing an injury would risk aggravating it karting.

There were pictures on COWS of him go karting. I shared your surprise.

I personally think MON will have taken a dim view of the fact he didn't show more fight to feature against Wales and/or Iceland; at least present himself so we could inspect the injury.

Everyone I went to the match with shared the same opinion.

Silver clouds. O'Kane and Gleeson have done themselves favors.

[Charlie Darwin]

If he was go-karting on cows, that's completely out of order. Particularly in a halal country.

[DeLorean]

What is COWS?

[seanfhear]

Are these COWS (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=COWS&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiu-dCB_pHTAhUpCcAKHSN8CBMQ_AUICCgB&biw=1920&bih=1019) ?

[DannyInvincible]

What is COWS?

One of these (http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/COWS)?: Center on Wisconsin Strategy; Computers on Wheels; Carry on Wayward Son (song); Classic Old West Styles; Clinical Opiate Withdrawal Scale; Cold Opposite, Warm Same (medical term); Casks Of Wine Society (Melbourne University, Australia); "Can You Hear Me? Open Your Eyes. What's Your Name? Squeeze My Hand." (first aid); or, Completing Our Work Successfully.

[DeLorean]

'Computers on Wheels' looks the most likely. Maybe Harry was on his laptop whilst setting course records, endangering himself even further.

[OwlsFan]

There were pictures on COWS of him go karting. I shared your surprise.

I personally think MON will have taken a dim view of the fact he didn't show more fight to feature against Wales and/or Iceland; at least present himself so we could inspect the injury.

Everyone I went to the match with shared the same opinion.

Silver clouds. O'Kane and Gleeson have done themselves favors.

Can I be a doubting Thomas and not believe it until I put my finger in the wound, or in this case see the hard evidence in the form of a photo. And even if he did, obviously Bournemouth didn't regard it as an issue

I am sure MON gave him permission not to show as he hardly didn't bother turning up without informing anyone. You are putting your thoughts in MON's head about Arter not showing "more fight to feature against Wales and/or Iceland". Try not view everything that Arter does from a negative point of view because you're not a fan. He's one of ours. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

[tetsujin1979]

It really does boggle the mind that all of this doubt comes from a throwaway comment by Paul Merson

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Can I be a doubting Thomas and not believe it until I put my finger in the wound, or in this case see the hard evidence in the form of a photo. And even if he did, obviously Bournemouth didn't regard it as an issue

I am sure MON gave him permission not to show as he hardly didn't bother turning up without informing anyone. You are putting your thoughts in MON's head about Arter not showing "more fight to feature against Wales and/or Iceland". Try not view everything that Arter does from a negative point of view because you're not a fan. He's one of ours. Give him the benefit of the doubt.


Not everything is black and white. While I think Arter is overrated, I would still have him ahead of O'Kane and Gleeson in the team. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

I think the lad had a relatively minor injury. I don't think he handled things correctly. I think he should have followed protocol and reported for duty so we could be satisfied that he was in no condition to feature against Wales or Iceland; the same way Murphy and McCarthy did.

I would've thought go karting wouldn't have been high on his list of priorities in Dubai if he was struggling. Any road, there have been pictures circulating of him training all week.

It would be interesting to hear what MON or Keane have to say about it, but unfortunately it looks like nobody chose to grill them on it.

I've posted several comments from O'Neill re: McCarthy and Murphy that one could choose to interpret cryptically: "he's giving himself a chance,".

Looking at it from the lad's POV, he's 27 years old, he's approaching his peak, it took him almost a decade to reach the Championship and he's already missed portions of this season and last season.

He probably decided to cut his losses on this gathering, and I personally think it will affect O'Neill's thinking going forward.

The same way it has with Westwood and Pilkington, who I actually think O'Neill has been somewhat harsh on - though I do think Randolph is better than Westwood any road.

[SkStu]

Any road? Watching a bit too much Corrie, Towk...

[DeLorean]

I actually can't read that in anything but a Mancunian accent :D

[SkStu]

I now picture TOWK as looking like Liz McDonald! :D

(And DannyInvincible as Big Jim McDonald obv)

[DannyInvincible]

It really does boggle the mind that all of this doubt comes from a throwaway comment by Paul Merson

Tets, any chance of issuing a demand for this alleged photographic evidence of Arter on the go-kart? You went soft on the wumming ever since Eminence Grise scolded you for perceived nitpicking (http://foot.ie/threads/68695-Anthony-Stokes?p=1906097&viewfull=1#post1906097). :rofl:

[DeLorean]

I'd be interested in that also, if only to find out what COWS is.

[tetsujin1979]

It's Bournemouth's site - Cherries Official WebSite
The gallery of their go karting is here: http://www.afcb.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/gallery-cherries-squad-in-go-karting-competition-3639622.aspx#

[DannyInvincible]

Which pictures show Arter actually go-karting? I see mostly unknown or unidentifiable guys in helmets (apart from Callum Wilson), two of whom I can recognise from the small parts of their faces that are visible; Eddie Howe and Jack Wilshere.

[tetsujin1979]

Can't pick him out either. There's one photo ofa few players watching the race, leaning on a barrier, and I think Arter is one of them. Either way, none of them prove, or disprove, that he took part in the karting.

[seanfhear]

Which pictures show Arter actually go-karting? I see mostly unknown or unidentifiable guys in helmets (apart from Callum Wilson), two of whom I can recognise from the small parts of their faces that are visible; Eddie Howe and Jack Wilshere.Has Go-Karting got Jack Wilshere fit coz Arsenal always struggled to keep him fit........Does Eddie know Howe.............

[tetsujin1979]

Posts moved from Eunan O'Kane thread

[Olé Olé]

True for TOWK. Wait until MON catches him when the squad meet next... "Nice of you to join us, Harry Karter."

[DeLorean]

There were pictures on COWS of him go karting. I shared your surprise.

Well Towk, are you going to put us out of our misery and tell us which of the photos actually show Arter go-karting?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Well DeL Boy, remember when I praised McCarthy for turning up for Ireland duty despite pressure from his club and you said there was no evidence of this? And then it transpired that Koeman rejected attempts from MON to put an end to their public feud? And immediately resumed their public back and forth in the aftermath of the Wales game? And publicly criticised McCarthy?

As soon as you admit that I was right and you were wrong about that I will tell you what photos.

[DeLorean]

I'll have to look back at that conversation but I don't see how one thing would prove the other.

Neither do I understand why you would refrain from telling us which photos you mean if it proves you to be correct.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Timestamped 6:03 on Thursday 30/03/17 less than 48 hours after the Iceland game.


Both Arter and Stanislas pictured on COWS happily involved with pre Saints match training.

What's the point of the Vitals Premier League injury update. Just a source of income?
Read more: http://www.bournemouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=79441&posts=17#ixzz4dmH70yIj

Again. I require a mea culpa re: your shouting me down on the McCarthy issue first.

*I saw the picture through RSS feed the acronym above ^^^ BTW

[DeLorean]

Show me my post that you have a problem with an I'll decide for myself if a 'mea cupla' is in order. I highly doubt it is though.

Sorry, I can't see any photo on that link and I'm not sure what relevance the bit you've quoted has? And I don't really understand your last sentence, are you saying you saw the photo somewhere that you can't access now or that I need to click into something within that forum page you've linked? Not too well up on I.T. lingo, RSS, etc.

[tetsujin1979]

I agree, no photo there.
If you saw the photos, you can at least provide the RSS* feed

*Read more here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS

[Olé Olé]

I don't get this. Everyone else here wants to see these photos. What kind of evasive tactics are you rolling out here?

[Stuttgart88]

Is the issue at stake now Arter's unavailability for the Iceland friendly rather than the infinitely more important Wales game?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Is the issue at stake now Arter's unavailability for the Iceland friendly rather than the infinitely more important Wales game?

Off the top of my head he has appeared in Premier League games directly after missing Slovakia/Switzerland, Georgia/Moldova and Wales/Iceland series of games within the last 12 months.

I think I said in a previous comment that he had missed portions of this season through injury but after consulting Soccerbase it appears he has played in 30 out of a possible 32 games.

I cede to Tetsujin's previous point that the available pictures neither prove/disprove what I said earlier vis-a-vis go karting.

Alas he was back in pre-match training right around the time we were playing Iceland.

[DeLorean]

I cede to Tetsujin's previous point that the available pictures neither prove/disprove what I said earlier vis-a-vis go karting.

Well Tets made that point on Saturday. You were claiming up until last night that you still had the evidence. Is this an admission that you were just making sh!t up?


Off the top of my head he has appeared in Premier League games directly after missing Slovakia/Switzerland, Georgia/Moldova and Wales/Iceland series of games within the last 12 months.

I took the liberty of double checking this. The Ireland Slovakia game was on the 29th March. Arter didn't return to the Bournemouth match day squad/starting line-up until the 30th April, missing their four matches after our friendlies. He had reported for Ireland duty (https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2016/0322/776685-harry-arter-ruled-out-of-ireland-double-header/) but had to return to Bournemouth after damaging his achilles.

[Stuttgart88]

Off the top of my head he has appeared in Premier League games directly after missing Slovakia/Switzerland, Georgia/Moldova and Wales/Iceland series of games within the last 12 months.

Alas he was back in pre-match training right around the time we were playing Iceland.You haven't answered the question. Is Iceland now what's bugging you or is it Wales? Do you accept that some injuries clear up quite quickly? Do you think he should have come over for the Iceland game after the Wales game? Do you think maybe O'Neill thought that if he can't make the wales game he'd be better off with his club and allowing for Hourihane etc to be given a look, something you've been lobbying for yourself?

[seanfhear]

Anyway ; Did Harry win the Go -Karting coz everyone loves a winner..........

[SkStu]

Perhaps we can just all agree that our default position should be that if a player is withheld from joining the squad due to injury, and that the FAI is okay with this, that we should accept that the right thing is being done by and for the player in question irrespective of when he next takes the pitch. It is this sort of incessant cynicism around good players and good people that can infect the squad morale via the fan groups, media etc.

[Olé Olé]

Perhaps we can just all agree that our default position should be that if a player is withheld from joining the squad due to injury, and that the FAI is okay with this, that we should accept that the right thing is being done by and for the player in question irrespective of when he next takes the pitch. It is this sort of incessant cynicism around good players and good people that can infect the squad morale via the fan groups, media etc.

Here, here. And that infection manifested itself in Arter when he received those tweets he referred to when the baseless 'Arter to England' rumours reared their ugly heads.

He's a good guy, a good player and clearly wants to play for Ireland. It's fairly tiresome this kind of stuff.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

You haven't answered the question. Is Iceland now what's bugging you or is it Wales? Do you accept that some injuries clear up quite quickly? Do you think he should have come over for the Iceland game after the Wales game? Do you think maybe O'Neill thought that if he can't make the wales game he'd be better off with his club and allowing for Hourihane etc to be given a look, something you've been lobbying for yourself?

It's not a case of one or the other. It's a matter of courtesy. He should have taken a flight to Dublin and allow himself to be examined by our doctors. Same as everyone else. It's quite easy to get flights from Bournemouth to Dublin and from Dublin to Dubai. He had recovered very well by the time we played Iceland. Why shouldn't he feature in that game even if he wasn't fit for Wales? He's played 1 competitive game. What would preclude him from participating in that same as Westwood, Egan, Gleeson or whomever else?

What I don't get is that he had a more serious injury when he was left out of the Euro 2016 squad and was quite outspoken in his disappointment about that.

@ Ole Ole

Nothing Paul Merson says is relevant and it certainly isn't related to what I'm on about.

I wasn't one of the people who abused Arter on Twitter, I can assure you that.

[Charlie Darwin]

The Irish medical team could have requested he travel. They were presumably satisfied that Bournemouth's diagnosis was correct. There's not really anything else to say.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

A bit of personal accountability would be nice too.

[Charlie Darwin]

He was checked out by his doctors. I'm not sure why you want him to get checked out by more doctors, presumably to prove his unfitness. If you're knacked, you're knacked.

[Olé Olé]

@ Ole Ole

Nothing Paul Merson says is relevant and it certainly isn't related to what I'm on about.

I wasn't one of the people who abused Arter on Twitter, I can assure you that.

Wow. You're reaching there again. I didn't insinuate you abused Arter. I didn't insinuate you considered Merson's statement relevant. It was a general post relating to Stutts general post. Not everything is about you.

[Stuttgart88]

It's not a case of one or the other. It's a matter of courtesy. He should have taken a flight to Dublin and allow himself to be examined by our doctors. Same as everyone else. It's quite easy to get flights from Bournemouth to Dublin and from Dublin to Dubai. He had recovered very well by the time we played Iceland. Why shouldn't he feature in that game even if he wasn't fit for Wales? He's played 1 competitive game. What would preclude him from participating in that same as Westwood, Egan, Gleeson or whomever else?

What I don't get is that he had a more serious injury when he was left out of the Euro 2016 squad and was quite outspoken in his disappointment about that.

I'd hazard a guess that O'Neill was content to look at Hourihane, O'Kane and Gleeson against Iceland. He knows all about Arter. For the established players that week was all about Wales. That's why O'Shea and others went home. I think you're going a bit bonkers if a lack of courtesy is your big issue now. I'd be very surprised if Bournemouth didn't authenticate the injury to the FAI's satisfaction (you can email scans these days, it's amazing) rendering flights a waste of time and money.

Of course he could be a work-shy, lazy, selfish guy who's only interested in playing tournament football but I'd say that's less likely myself.

[CraftyToePoke]

A bit of personal accountability would be nice too.

I think, with the hand MON had played with Everton re McCarthy, if his team are happy with the Bournemouth information thats good enough for me. Asking a guy to fly to prove himself out of courtesy is daft.

[Closed Account]

Neither Harry or Wes flew over, so we should drop them both, simple.

[DeLorean]

He pretended to have seen specific photos of Arter go-karting until his hand was forced and had to admit he was bluffing (i.e. lying through his hole). He then said that Arter played a club game after missing the Swiss/Slovak double header and hasn't even had the manners to acknowledge that he was completely wrong here too.

We all know he's only coming down so hard on this issue because it's Arter, a player/person he clearly has little time for (or resents for some unknown Richard Keogh-type reason). Yet we continue to humour him... me more than most to be fair. :)

[Charlie Darwin]

Go-karting on cows no less. The sicko.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

He pretended to have seen specific photos of Arter go-karting until his hand was forced and had to admit he was bluffing (i.e. lying through his hole). He then said that Arter played a club game after missing the Swiss/Slovak double header and hasn't even had the manners to acknowledge that he was completely wrong here too.

We all know he's only coming down so hard on this issue because it's Arter, a player/person he clearly has little time for (or resents for some unknown Richard Keogh-type reason). Yet we continue to humour him... me more than most to be fair. :)

I assume you are a Derby fan because you have a habit of going psycho if I make any comments about Derby, Christie or Keogh in general.

Re: missing the Slovakia/Switzerland doubleheader, it's quite possible that I meant another game/series of games as I have a habit of making typos like this.

Arter was pictured on a go karting track with his teammates, as opposed to following a specific regiment to work on his fitness.

But then again, as it has already been ascertained that he was back to fitness by the time we played Wales, at least, there's not much to look into there.

@ Stutts

Arter has barely played for us. Whelan, McCarthy, Hendrick and Hoolahan are the established options. Why wouldn't he want another look at him when he hasn't had much chance to use him? Has he even played consecutive games for us yet?

And I made the Euro 2016 point simply because he wanted every chance to prove his fitness then, whereas he just decided he wasn't fit over a week before we played the crucial Austria game and then was back to fitness little over 48 hours after said game.

As I've said and getting back to my original point, I - and it may have just been me, in fairness - detected irritability in MON's demeanour about some of the squad exclusions.

I may have been off the mark in fairness but I think I am quite perceptive about these things.

[geysir]

Go-karting on cows no less. The sicko.
He was probably skipping the light fandango, to boot.

If Harry was an Everton player, no doubt he'd be flogged onto the pitch by MoN to within an inch of his life.

[DeLorean]

I assume you are a Derby fan because you have a habit of going psycho if I make any comments about Derby, Christie or Keogh in general.


I'm not, I have a friend over there so a well wisher at best, heightened by the fact that they've had a large Irish contingent in recent years. Even if I was lifelong Ram I'd have little reason for "going psycho" because somebody makes a comment about them, and you know full well that hasn't been the case anyway. Your own psychopathic crusade against Richard Keogh was criticised by far more than just me on here, if that's what you're referring to.


Re: missing the Slovakia/Switzerland doubleheader, it's quite possible that I meant another game/series of games as I have a habit of making typos like this.

Okay, what game/series of games did you mean instead? If you're going to use it as evidence against him you should really have your facts straight. I don't think you mixed it up though, I think you were just wrong.


Arter was pictured on a go karting track with his teammates, as opposed to following a specific regiment to work on his fitness.

You still shamelessly lied about having specific photos of Arter karting.

[SkStu]

Arter was pictured on a go karting track with his teammates, as opposed to following a specific regiment to work on his fitness.

that's a ridiculously unfair insinuation. Do you think he was in breach of following his return to fitness plan by being pictured on a go-karting track with his teammates? If so, I presume he will be disciplined by Eddie Howe once he figures it out.

[geysir]

You persecutors of TOWK have missed yet another faux claim.



...whereas he just decided he wasn't fit over a week before we played the crucial Austria game and then was back to fitness little over 48 hours after said game..

[Diggs246]

He played for his club the weekend before the Georgia Moldova games and then the weekend after and he has done the same after the Wales game.