Under-19 Squad

[tetsujin1979]

Do we not have an agreement with teh brits "common travel area" that's supersedes EU regulations
Doesn't apply, FIFA's rules supersede it.
https://www.the42.ie/irish-football-brexit-2-5307749-Dec2020/

A 16 year old could move to the UK if one of their parents got a job there unrelated to football, but then you'd have to prove that the player joining a club was not related to the move, which doesn't seem like something few, if any, clubs would be interested in doing

[seanfhear]

Do we not have an agreement with teh brits "common travel area" that's supersedes EU regulations
The Eu is the Super-State / Empire now.

[CraftyToePoke]

Does anyone have any knowledge in this field that can advise?

I think our young lads already heading to France and Italy in recent months, largely for the first time, with others linked to clubs in different countries is advice enough.

[SkStu]

Yes, and it's correct. Due to Brexit, EU players can't move to the UK for football reasons until they are 18. Evan Ferguson was able to move at 16, but it's because his mother has a UK passport.

ours to lose.

[samhaydenjr]

There's definitely an infrastructure problem when it comes to Celtic which is leading young players into a career trap if they go there - at a point when they need to be playing regularly at a high level, they have not been playing much competitive football at all and now in the Lowland league will be playing against players ranked about 900th best to 1500th best in Scotland (assuming 20 players to a squad in the leagues above them and a number of players in England). If they stay in an academy in England, at least they will be testing themselves against some of the best young players in the world. Even if they come back to LoI and we assume there's about 100 Irish pros in England at a higher level, they will be testing themselves competitively against players ranked 100th best to 300th best in Ireland.

[Diggs246]

Doesn't apply, FIFA's rules supersede it.
https://www.the42.ie/irish-football-brexit-2-5307749-Dec2020/

A 16 year old could move to the UK if one of their parents got a job there unrelated to football, but then you'd have to prove that the player joining a club was not related to the move, which doesn't seem like something few, if any, clubs would be interested in doing

This is total disaster. There is no point pretending the FAI will be pushed into action and before we know it, we have a league like they do in Belgium or the like. We are serous hot water here.

[Charlie Darwin]

Do we not have an agreement with teh brits "common travel area" that's supersedes EU regulations
It supercedes EU regulations but not FIFA regulations. FIFA's rules are that nobody can move before they're 18, but they have to make an exception for the EU due to freedom of movement for labour, but that no longer applies to the UK.

[Diggs246]

It supercedes EU regulations but not FIFA regulations. FIFA's rules are that nobody can move before they're 18, but they have to make an exception for the EU due to freedom of movement for labour, but that no longer applies to the UK.

But didn't Messi go from Argentina to Barca as a kid?

[CSAD]

But didn't Messi go from Argentina to Barca as a kid?

Pretty sure Messi holds a Spanish passport. Also the reason why he doesn’t count as a non EU player for Barcelona.

[pineapple stu]

Well he got that in 2005. He moved to Spain in 2000. Maybe the rules were different then.

[CSAD]

Well he got that in 2005. He moved to Spain in 2000. Maybe the rules were different then.

They may have found a loop hole to get him there, it was very rare for a kid that age to go to Europe that young even back then.

[pineapple stu]

They must have. It may have been because of the medical treatment he underwent. I can't really find anything through Google. Certainly his parents moved over at the time, and they really wanted to sign him, so they could have made an exception and sorted the parents with jobs to enable them move over too. You wouldn't do that for every underage player of course, but if there was one who shone like Messi, you might make an exception.

[Exgrad]

The rules were there but not properly enforced. Plenty of young players transferring to clubs and their parents were getting jobs as groundsmen etc. It was the wild west pretty much, people trafficking a sad and common result as well. Something had to happen and Barcelona and Chelsea receiving transfer bans a couple of seasons back sent the message about enforcement and clubs seem to be sticking to the rules. I wouldn't try too hard to figure out how Messi was allowed move to Barcelona as he probably wasn't.

[Razors left peg]

This is total disaster. There is no point pretending the FAI will be pushed into action and before we know it, we have a league like they do in Belgium or the like. We are serous hot water here.

Well theres a few ways to look at it. If its handled properly it could work out well. Look at Jamie Mullins for Bohs at the weekend. 16 year old, scored a phenomenal goal. Is a lad like that better off in an academy or playing senior mens football?

I dont trust the FAI to handle it properly but there is great people within the LOI that I do trust to bring through excellent players

[elatedscum]

There was an exception given due to his medical treatment...

Messi had a growth hormone issue and his club in Argentina (Old Boys) couldn't afford to pay for his treatment. I think his father's insurance covered it for 2 years and Newell Old Boys agreed to pay it after that but they then said they couldn't afford it. Think he went on trial to River and/or Boca but they wouldn't pay for the treatment either. Barca agreed to pay for it. So he moved across when he was 13.

FIFA gave dispensation because it was deemed that essentially he moved due to the ability to get medical treatment as opposed to being a move purely for footballing reasons...

[CSAD]

Well theres a few ways to look at it. If its handled properly it could work out well. Look at Jamie Mullins for Bohs at the weekend. 16 year old, scored a phenomenal goal. Is a lad like that better off in an academy or playing senior mens football?

I dont trust the FAI to handle it properly but there is great people within the LOI that I do trust to bring through excellent players

It also helps to build character, would Connolly and Parrott be such ****s off the field if they had to grow up and dig in with adults at an early age?

[Bungle]

It also helps to build character, would Connolly and Parrott be such ****s off the field if they had to grow up and dig in with adults at an early age?

Hard to know with Connolly, but Parrott is better off away from Dublin.

Mountjoy is full of lads that would have been great players for us. Wasted talents. Parrott may become another, but being at a top English club with world class players like Kane is more likely to help him turn away from the anti-social stuff than if he played here.

Parrott was a world class 16/17 year old. I have serious concerns he will become a top player though. He could fall through the leagues or end up back here and become a what if story in the newspapers in twenty years. Players like Knight are very talented but have the desire and that makes them and some of our other young lads more likely to beocme top players. Parrott seems a nicer lad than Connolly from what I hear, but the off field stuff is concerning.

Robbie Keane grew up in Tallaght when it was arguably the toughest place in Dublin. He managed to navigate things because he came from a nice family and had the desire to be a top footballer. Just don't see that with Parrott.

[seanfhear]

Sure, some fellas go down the route of ~ Sure I would have made it if only the drink / other got me. I suppose sometimes they go down that route because they are not going to make it for possibly many reasons. I know its very hard to make it, the odds are certainly against a fella but sometimes the sad story of the drink / other got me. Ok, injuries would have to be left out of this.

[kennedmc]

Hard to know with Connolly, but Parrott is better off away from Dublin.

Mountjoy is full of lads that would have been great players for us. Wasted talents. Parrott may become another, but being at a top English club with world class players like Kane is more likely to help him turn away from the anti-social stuff than if he played here.

Parrott was a world class 16/17 year old. I have serious concerns he will become a top player though. He could fall through the leagues or end up back here and become a what if story in the newspapers in twenty years. Players like Knight are very talented but have the desire and that makes them and some of our other young lads more likely to beocme top players. Parrott seems a nicer lad than Connolly from what I hear, but the off field stuff is concerning.

Robbie Keane grew up in Tallaght when it was arguably the toughest place in Dublin. He managed to navigate things because he came from a nice family and had the desire to be a top footballer. Just don't see that with Parrott.

Keane was miles a head of Parrott at 17. That why he was in the championship making a name for himself while Parrot has been struggling. You are not a world class 17 year old if you are playing U18 or reserve team ball. The very obvious clue is right there!!

I personally don't question Parrott's attitude, desire or work rate etc. I'm not sure if he has the ability or the talent to be a PL player.

You need to excel in a couple of areas (e.g pick 2/ 3 from this (not definitive) list Pace, vision, technique, strength, finishing, work rate, tenacity etc) rather than be decent / average in all areas. That's why a player like James McClean can have a very good PL career: tenacity, pace and work rate Shane Long: Pace, work rate while lads that 'appeared' more talented never made it.

It is a wait and see for me hopefully Troy will come good

[Diggs246]

Keane was a far far better player at 17, but to be fair there was very little main land European players in the championship at the time, so it was easier for him

[Razors left peg]

Keane was a far far better player at 17, but to be fair there was very little main land European players in the championship at the time, so it was easier for him

Thats true but Robbie was still exceptional.

This arguement is better when people bring up that we used to have players in all the top clubs in England. While true it was before the days that Premiership clubs got players from all over the world. T

[CSAD]

Keane was miles a head of Parrott at 17. That why he was in the championship making a name for himself while Parrot has been struggling. You are not a world class 17 year old if you are playing U18 or reserve team ball. The very obvious clue is right there!!

I personally don't question Parrott's attitude, desire or work rate etc. I'm not sure if he has the ability or the talent to be a PL player.

You need to excel in a couple of areas (e.g pick 2/ 3 from this (not definitive) list Pace, vision, technique, strength, finishing, work rate, tenacity etc) rather than be decent / average in all areas. That's why a player like James McClean can have a very good PL career: tenacity, pace and work rate Shane Long: Pace, work rate while lads that 'appeared' more talented never made it.

It is a wait and see for me hopefully Troy will come good


“You need to excel in a couple of areas (e.g pick 2/ 3 from this (not definitive) list Pace, vision, technique, strength, finishing, work rate, tenacity etc) rather than be decent / average in all areas.”

*facepalm* FFS.

[Bungle]

Keane was miles a head of Parrott at 17. That why he was in the championship making a name for himself while Parrot has been struggling. You are not a world class 17 year old if you are playing U18 or reserve team ball. The very obvious clue is right there!!

I personally don't question Parrott's attitude, desire or work rate etc. I'm not sure if he has the ability or the talent to be a PL player.

You need to excel in a couple of areas (e.g pick 2/ 3 from this (not definitive) list Pace, vision, technique, strength, finishing, work rate, tenacity etc) rather than be decent / average in all areas. That's why a player like James McClean can have a very good PL career: tenacity, pace and work rate Shane Long: Pace, work rate while lads that 'appeared' more talented never made it.

It is a wait and see for me hopefully Troy will come good

I judge him on the fact that at 16 or 17, he was ripping it up in the Uefa Youth League, was exceptional at academy level and Ireland at underage level. I saw him make clowns of lads who were underage players for Spain, Italy, Germany and England. Some of those lads will play at a very high level. Who knows maybe the next Chiellini or Ramos among them. Long or McClean never had his natural ability.

Unfortunately, I just am not sure about his desire. Too many bad influences around the place and sometimes being heralded as the saviour of a country and a future superstar at a big club like Spurs isn't always something to keep you grounded. Still by all acounts a much nicer lad than Connolly.

A good loan and ongoing experience with us could be huge in the next 12 months.

[pineapple stu]

I'm not sure doing well in the Youth League is the sign of a world class 17 year old. It's very promising, for sure, but a world class 17 year old would be making an impression with the first team (like Keane was)

[kennedmc]

I judge him on the fact that at 16 or 17, he was ripping it up in the Uefa Youth League, was exceptional at academy level and Ireland at underage level. I saw him make clowns of lads who were underage players for Spain, Italy, Germany and England. Some of those lads will play at a very high level. Who knows maybe the next Chiellini or Ramos among them. Long or McClean never had his natural ability.

Unfortunately, I just am not sure about his desire. Too many bad influences around the place and sometimes being heralded as the saviour of a country and a future superstar at a big club like Spurs isn't always something to keep you grounded. Still by all acounts a much nicer lad than Connolly.

A good loan and ongoing experience with us could be huge in the next 12 months.
Youth leagues are still youth leagues.....

Despite his poor performances for Milwall didn't the manager praise his attitude, his workrate in training and his want to keep trying to self improve?

[CSAD]

Youth leagues are still youth leagues.....

Despite his poor performances for Milwall didn't the manager praise his attitude, his workrate in training and his want to keep trying to self improve?

And also people forget a little fact, he’s an 18 year old playing his first season of professional football. Not everyone is going to be Robbie Keane and ready at 17, hell I would take Harry Kane every day of the week over Keane yet at the age of 18-19 I would have been laughed at for saying such a thing. I’m not saying Parrott will necessarily reach that level but at this point of his career it’s the trend season on season that matters over what happens in one season. And the same goes for if Parrott goes to a Swansea on loan (personally would love a loan like that) and rips up the championship, he just needs to keep building. If Parrott has 3 loan spells in a row like the one he had recently I’ll start getting concerned at that point but until then I’m keeping an open mind.

It’s noticeable that Parrott is putting on muscle which is normal at his age and probably for the best but as a result he may make slower progress than people hoped in his early years but once he fills out (may take a season or two) he will be better for it, he’s at a good club that know what’s required in this department so I have faith it will work out provided Parrott keeps his head down.

[Bungle]

Youth leagues are still youth leagues.....

Despite his poor performances for Milwall didn't the manager praise his attitude, his workrate in training and his want to keep trying to self improve?

Yeah as Pineapple Stu said it might not necessarily be the sign of a world class player. Barca for one have 2 young lads who are clearly a level above even elite youngsters in the Uefa Youth Leagues such as Pedri.

Still, I would be of the opinion that it is relative. If a lad can make a show of underage internationals at the biggest clubs in the world it is a marker of an exceptional talent. Parrott definitely was that 18 months ago.

He just needs the right move and if he gets it, I think if he keeps his off the field stuff together, he should be fine. A move to Europe where it is more technical could be the makings of him.

[Olé Olé]

It's funny that Aaron Connolly is two years older and has a skillset that allows him to break through at a good level quite early. Parrott has a more refined skillset and less explosive pace and a preference to play centrally. Always going to be more difficult and take a little longer.

But I fancy the penny to drop with Parrott before it does with Connolly. I just don't get Connolly. There's the paper stories which could be rubbish but there's the lack of development on the pitch too. His trajectory is all over the place.

Both could be great but Parrott might get the momentum and trajectory right before Connolly does.

[tetsujin1979]

Mazeed Ogungbo signs his first professional contract with Arsenal: https://www.arsenal.com/news/ogungbo-signs-first-professional-contract

[Kingdom]

It's funny that Aaron Connolly is two years older and has a skillset that allows him to break through at a good level quite early. Parrott has a more refined skillset and less explosive pace and a preference to play centrally. Always going to be more difficult and take a little longer.

But I fancy the penny to drop with Parrott before it does with Connolly. I just don't get Connolly. There's the paper stories which could be rubbish but there's the lack of development on the pitch too. His trajectory is all over the place.

Both could be great but Parrott might get the momentum and trajectory right before Connolly does.

There's another element here, that shouldn't be forgotten about - if we're referring to off-field stuff/personality etc. It's much easier to pillory a young pro for lavishness, excess and brash personality - than it is to because of who you're pally with.

What have we seen/heard about of Connolly? A spread in some online rag where he's on a yacht/speedboat, with a pair of speedos on looking buff and a girl on his arm. And a couple of quotes somewhere that says he's arrogant/cocky or whatever.
What have we seen/heard about of Parrott? Rumours (and a couple of pics) linking him to serious players in the Dublin cartels. But that's it.

If it were my kid, I know which stories I'd prefer to see in the media (well neither, but you get the point I'm making surely :-) )

[tetsujin1979]

Josh Seary, who was called into the training camp in May, signed a contract with Preston in June, and is listed in their first team squad this season - https://www.pnefc.net/news/2021/june/josh-seary-made-up-with-scholarship-and-pro-deal/

[tetsujin1979]

Was hoping to see Anselmo Garcia MacNulty in Wolfsburg's squad for their German cup game this weekend, but he didn't make it, and now it looks like they could be thrown out of the competition after making six substitutions instead of the allowed five in their 3-1 win against Preussen Munster

[tetsujin1979]

35 players called into a training camp ahead of the qualifiers in October: https://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/u19-35-called-up-for-dublin-training-camp

Republic of Ireland Under-19 training camp squad
Goalkeepers: Matthew Boylan (Lincoln City), Toby Bull (Brighton and Hove Albion), Arlo Doherty (Leicester City), Noah Jauny (Stade Brestois), Owen Mason (Mansfield Town), Joe O’Shaughnessy (Wolves)

Defenders: Sam Bagan (QPR), Tommy Fogarty (Birmignham City), Oisin Hand (Shamrock Rovers), Jay McGrath (Coventry City), Jevon Mills (Hull City), Fionn O’Brien (Coventry City), Sean O’Connell (Kerry SL), Connor O’Riordan (Crewe Alexandra), Harvey Oliver-Rowe (Bradford City), Josh Okpolokpo (Huddersfield Town), Callum Sullivan (Birmingham City), Adam Wells (Shamrock Rovers)

Midfielders: Ruairi Behan (Burnley), Oran Crowe (Cork City), Frankie Deane (Celtic), Evan Farrell (Wexford), Zak Gilsenan (Blackburn Rovers),James Golding (Oxford United), Liam Mullan (Derry City), Matthew O’Brien (Longford Town), Tommi O’Reilly (Aston Villa), John Joe Power (Burton Albion).

Forwards: Sinclair Armstrong (QPR),Will Couch (Burnley), Tom Costello (Wigan), Zachary Dunne (Cork City), Cian Kavanagh (Waterford), Sam Knowles (Stoke City), Leon Hennessey (Cork City)

Hmmmmm

Zak Gilsenan (Blackburn Rovers)

[The Fly]

It's good to see Gilsenan in the squad.

[Olé Olé]

Interesting group. A lot of English academy punts in there. And a player with the Kerry District League!

Sam Bagan is an interesting one. Brother of Joel at Cardiff who has been mooted as keen to come onboard with us. Sounds like their mammy has two Irish parents: https://twitter.com/eireguide/status/1357353704408637445?s=20

[Kingdom]

No sign of Ev Ferguson though, that's apity.

Also, the kids with African heritage need to give a break and quit the trolling. Okpolokpo? That's as bad as Peter O'HanraHanrahan or John John for made up name.

[Olé Olé]

Frankie Deane is a Scottish born lad in the Celtic academy. Just found his old man's Twitter and he's an Ireland supporter
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[CSAD]

Ferguson could also be injured, hasn’t featured for Brighton’s youth team in pre season.

I wouldn’t be surprised if these camps are just being used to cast the net wide and look at options (particularly the 2nd/3rd generation players) every one of them has had a vast mix of players. I wouldn’t read anything into these squads until we see the first squad for the preliminary qualifiers.

[IsMiseSean]

When do the U19s start their qualifying campaign?

[tetsujin1979]

November, although the dates haven't been confirmed yet: https://www.uefa.com/under19/fixtures-results/#/mt/2021/11

[Kingdom]

tets,
Just wondering, seeing as how you're open to improving/adjusting the thread headers, would it be an idea to put after Under 19 squad, the year group and the status of the competition?

take this thread for example:

Under 19 (2002*) (Euro 2022 qualifying group 6 - Bul/Mont/BHA)

* or whatever the oldest eligible player can be

i've got to be honest I struggle keeping track sometimes, and I think our underage squads are going to be more in focus over the next few years.

[tetsujin1979]

tets,
Just wondering, seeing as how you're open to improving/adjusting the thread headers, would it be an idea to put after Under 19 squad, the year group and the status of the competition?

take this thread for example:

Under 19 (2002*) (Euro 2022 qualifying group 6 - Bul/Mont/BHA)

* or whatever the oldest eligible player can be

i've got to be honest I struggle keeping track sometimes, and I think our underage squads are going to be more in focus over the next few years.

We have dedicated tournament threads for underage competitions, see here (https://foot.ie/threads/107348-Irish-International-Players-And-Important-Thread-Links?p=1292536&viewfull=1#post1292536) for the current list, and the "Under-NN squad" threads are for general discussion in that age group.

[Kingdom]

We have dedicated tournament threads for underage competitions, see here (https://foot.ie/threads/107348-Irish-International-Players-And-Important-Thread-Links?p=1292536&viewfull=1#post1292536) for the current list, and the "Under-NN squad" threads are for general discussion in that age group.

Grand, thanks for that.

[samhaydenjr]

There's definitely an infrastructure problem when it comes to Celtic which is leading young players into a career trap if they go there - at a point when they need to be playing regularly at a high level, they have not been playing much competitive football at all and now in the Lowland league will be playing against players ranked about 900th best to 1500th best in Scotland (assuming 20 players to a squad in the leagues above them and a number of players in England). If they stay in an academy in England, at least they will be testing themselves against some of the best young players in the world. Even if they come back to LoI and we assume there's about 100 Irish pros in England at a higher level, they will be testing themselves competitively against players ranked 100th best to 300th best in Ireland.

While Celtic's Colts have faced fairly competitive games so far in the Lowland League, today they blew out Vale of Leithen 10-0, with Lawal and Vata both scoring, while Rangers' B team hammered Gretna 2008 9-1 - https://www.celticfc.com/news/2021/august/It-s-a-perfect-10-as-super-Celts-sink-Vale-of-Leithen/. If this is s sign of things to come and that these reserve teams are gathering steam, then the issue I outline above becomes pertinent as they could be playing uncompetitive fixtures against players of a significantly lower standard to theirs, and that this could hinder their development. That said, Vale of Leithen have been on the end of a few hammerings this season, with a goal difference of -33 after 7 games.

Also, I want to note the awesome team names in The Lowland League - not for them the standard boring name format of name of City/Town/Area followed by "City" "United" or "FC". No, they have wonderful titles like the aforementioned Vale of Leithen, Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic, Caledonian Braves, Civil Service Strollers, Dalbeattie Star, Gala Fairydean Rovers and The Spartans

[Eirambler]

It's a huge issue - the bottom half of this league is so far down the Scottish football food chain that some of these teams are struggling to field full teams, let alone put up a challenge against the likes of Celtic's B team.

Scotland is a similar size country with a similar number of players to what we have. They do retain more players domestically than we do and would have more foreign imports in the top division, but let's say for argument's sake that their second tier is of a similar standard to the League of Ireland premier Division (it almost certainly isn't, but anyway). That would make their third tier the equivalent of the League of Ireland first division. Then after that there's the fourth tier that Luca Connell played in for a while last season. Then, only after that, comes the regionalised Highland and Lowland Leagues. Even then a lot of the better players choose to play junior football rather than bother with senior football at this level, many of the junior teams get bigger crowds and can play the players slightly more than these bottom end senior teams.

Given the relatively small size of the country and lack of playing numbers this division is so far down the pyramid as to make it pointless for the likes of Bosun Lawal. It may be worthwhile this year for Vata given he's only 15, but even he will want to be moving on from it in a season or two.

[Olé Olé]

https://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/mu19-mohan-names-squad-for-sweden-games

Goalkeepers: Arlo Doherty (Leicester City), Dan Rose (Schalke 04)

Defenders: James Abankwah (St. Patrick’s Athletic), Tayo Adaramola (Crystal Palace), Val Adedokun (Brentford), Bosun Lawal (Celtic), Anselmo Garcia MacNulty (Wolfsburg), Jevon Mills (Hull City), Josh Seary (Preston North End)

Midfielders: John Joe Patrick Finn Benoa (Getafe), Kian Corbally (St. Patrick’s Athletic), Evan Caffrey (UCD), Oisin Gallagher (Lincoln City), Ben McCormack (St. Patrick’s Athletic), Ed McJannett (Luton Town), Harry Vaughan (Oldham Athletic)

Forwards: Aidomo Emakhu (Shamrock Rovers)*, Cristiano Fitzgerald (Boavista), Zak Gilsenan (Blackburn Rovers), Cian Hayes (Fleetwood Town), Johnny Kenny (Sligo Rovers)**, Jamie Mullins (Bohemians), Luke Pearce (Southampton)

[Olé Olé]

A lot of English-born lads that took part in the recent squads in there. Cian Hayes, Harry Vaughan, Luke Pearce, Ed McJannett, Josh Seary, Jevon Mills and Arlo Doherty are new lads that may have been in and around those camps?

Great to see Zak Gilsenan receiving another call up. Hopefully we can tie him down.

[ColourfulPeanut]

That's a strong looking squad. Excited to see Finn Benoa is a green shirt for the first time!

Also just noticed Liam Delap isn't in the England squads. I'm going to assume he's not injured and begin to wildly speculate

[CraftyToePoke]

That's a strong looking squad. Excited to see Finn Benoa is a green shirt for the first time!

Also just noticed Liam Delap isn't in the England squads. I'm going to assume he's not injured and begin to wildly speculate

Delap didn't play his clubs last PL2 game having played the one before & scored the week before that, so maybe an injury there.

[JR89]

Delap didn't play his clubs last PL2 game having played the one before & scored the week before that, so maybe an injury there.

If so then the lad is looking a bit injury prone. Missed the last international window because of injuries too.