FAI Investigate Alleged Racist Abuse Of Zayed

[sligoman]

Now I know this probably wont be taken serious cos I'm a Sligo Rovers fan but genuine question here...Will Shamrock Rovers be dishing out any additional punishment to Turner themselves, now that he has been found guilty of offensive behaviour on the pitch? Very unprofessional of him so just wondering if he'll get a fine or anything?

They didn't even condemn Turner for his behaviour in the statement, just celebrated him not being found to be racist.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Now I know this probably wont be taken serious cos I'm a Sligo Rovers fan but genuine question here...Will Shamrock Rovers be dishing out any additional punishment to Turner themselves, now that he has been found guilty of offensive behaviour on the pitch? Very unprofessional of him so just wondering if he'll get a fine or anything?

They didn't even condemn Turner for his behaviour in the statement, just celebrated him not being found to be racist.

I wouldn't have thought so. Wouldn't expect them to either. 3 game ban is more then enough punishment.

To be honest would Shams consider an appeal? Now nobody really seems to know what exactly Turner said but if wasn't racist how much worse is it then anything else that is said during games week in, week out. How many games ban did McCabe get when he was sent off for abusing the linesman earlier on in the season? (genuine question - I think it was a one game ban but could well be wrong) How does that compare to giving Turner a 3 game ban?

[Derry]

How does any person at a game in Tallaght including club officials, players and supporters keep a straight face when it's read over the tannoy that racism will not be tolerated.

And can any of the Rovers supporters on here tell us why all Derry City supporters who have been members of their forum have been banned last week from it, just for posting some comments that were not in any way abusive, yet their own supporters have posted some of the most disgusting comments that certainly would have got a quick shift on here. Is it because they can't have a discussion on racism as it puts their club in a very bad light? My belief is that they are nothing more than a bunch of silly adolescents who are not able to debate anything.

[Lim till i die]

Racism is not a major issue in the league.

At all.

At all.

Zayed has not for the first time come across as a whinger and a cribber here.

You're a big boy Eamon, if someone slags you on the field slag them back.

All this incident has done is given the usuals a chance to have a woeful pop off Rovers and others the chance to push an anti-racism agenda against a problem that just isn't there.

Also for the record even if Chris Turner is a racist, I don't think it matters a jot.

[dahamsta]

Another raft of garbage moved to the bin. Waste my time once more and I'll bin the lot.

[poster]

Of course it had abosolutely nothing to do with the fact that the ref heard what he said.

Ref didn't hear it, Boco had to report it. Facts :phone:

[A N Mouse]

It would seem that as has already been pointed out it was a case of one man's word against another.

In such a case it would presumably be impossible to prove one or the other, so Turner was punished for what he admitted to.

The contradiction inherent between the statement issued by rovers and their inaction has already been pointed out.

So are they going to back up their fine sentiments with actions or are we going to have one provable group of hypocritical liars at the end of this whole sorry affair?

[hoops1]

Basically a 3 game ban for hurting Zayed's feelings. Hopefully the club appeal this.

[DannyInvincible]

The punishment is bizarre, and sets a weird precedent, in what comments are constituted as "offensive behaviour"? If refs are called "fn sht" on the pitch, is that worthy of a 3 game ban? If a Corkonian brands his Dub marker as a "jackeen bastrd", is that worthy of a 3 game ban?

Strange.

I don't know, but, as has been mentioned, Rovers have "strict policies in place to deal [abusive] activity" as well. I'm sure the club would be happy to enlighten a fan as to what they're all about.

[osarusan]

It would seem that as has already been pointed out it was a case of one man's word against another.

In such a case it would presumably be impossible to prove one or the other, so Turner was punished for what he admitted to.


Do we know if Turner admitted to saying something, and if he did, do we know if what he admitted to saying was the same thing as was alleged by Zayed?

If it is the case that both players agreed that the same words/expressions had been uttered, then it isn't a case of one man's word against another, it's a case of whether what was said is racist or not.

And without knowing exactly what was said, all this talk of 'fudging' and 'helping the model club' and 'not wanting to make Zayed look like a liar' is absolutely pointless.

[Derry]

Turner's silence on refusing to say what he said to Zayed, shows that he does probably have something to hide.

[osarusan]

Turner's silence on refusing to say what he said to Zayed, shows that he does probably have something to hide.

His silence where? In public, or at the inquiry?

[Dodge]

Turner's silence on refusing to say what he said to Zayed, shows that he does probably have something to hide.

Didn't he make a statement denying it (through Rovers). Whats he supposed to do, keep saying the same things?

[Rasputin]

Funny enough McGuinness will be playing along side the French Mercenary! Ironic or what!
French Mercenary?
As opposed to all our Irish and English Mercenarys?
How many exactly of our current squad are just playing for the love of the club, including Mc Guinness?

[DannyInvincible]

Zayed's written about the whole episode for ExtraTime.ie today: http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/6154/showing-racism-door/


I had no choice but to report what I had heard. As I said, years ago, as a young 19 year old teenager, I was not able to report such an accusation but I was left with no choice after that game. Enough is enough and as an experienced player within the league, I had to stand up against such racism.

It was not so about me as I am big and bold enough to handle such comments but what about the next generation of players to come through whom, god forbid, has a mixed racial background.

Some people may think I should have let it slide giving the fact that it is only a very small number of people making such comments but I disagree, we have to cut it out altogether, not just 99% of it.

[Charlie Darwin]

I think Zayed handled himself impeccably to be fair.

[Dodge]

And Pats coming out of it with a bit of credit too it seems

[marinobohs]

Zayed's written about the whole episode for ExtraTime.ie today: http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/6154/showing-racism-door/

Could not argue with that statement but hope we can all move on now. Poking away at this story not in anyones interest.

[seand]

Surely the point of the hearing was to come to a decision about whether there was racism involved or not... the conclusion was that it was not racist, whether Eamon Zayed agrees or not that was the independent decision. Like it or not Turner was cleared of racism, but Zayed has gone on to repeat his accusation of racism. That's libelous!

[Charlie Darwin]

Well it's only libelous if the other party chooses to sue. I doubt Turner would take action over an article on a non-mainstream website.

[Dodge]

Surely the point of the hearing was to come to a decision about whether there was racism involved or not... the conclusion was that it was not racist, whether Eamon Zayed agrees or not that was the independent decision. Like it or not Turner was cleared of racism, but Zayed has gone on to repeat his accusation of racism. That's libelous!

He wasn't cleared of anything. In no statement do they say "he didn't say anything rascist". The panel couldn't prove it. Huge difference

Turner's not going to bring him to court because a) he probably said it and b) its his word v Zayed's. Courts won't decide a libel case on that

[Ezeikial]

He wasn't cleared of anything. In no statement do they say "he didn't say anything rascist". The panel couldn't prove it. Huge difference

Turner's not going to bring him to court because a) he probably said it and b) its his word v Zayed's. Courts won't decide a libel case on that

Although it would be great fun to have Turners "character" examined in court!

[hoopy]

he probably said it and b) its his word v Zayed's.

Glad to see you have an open mind on the subject.

[marinobohs]

He wasn't cleared of anything. In no statement do they say "he didn't say anything rascist". The panel couldn't prove it. Huge difference

Turner's not going to bring him to court because a) he probably said it and b) its his word v Zayed's. Courts won't decide a libel case on that
Yea, appeared to be an element of the Scottish "not proven" about it (judging by statement) moreso than "not guilty" which would be reinforced by decision to find him guilty of something he was not charged with:confused:.
Interesting also to note the praise for the way Pats dealt with the issue and an absence of any such comment about shams. Are FAI tiring of the model clubs "we did nothing, you cant prove anything" Bart Simpson like approach to every issue ?:rolleyes:

Would love to see Turner take legal action against Zayed but will not happen.

[Dodge]

Glad to see you have an open mind on the subject.

Likewise hoopy.

I choose to believe Zayed over Turner. You believe Turner. That's to be expected

[Charlie Darwin]

He wasn't cleared of anything. In no statement do they say "he didn't say anything rascist". The panel couldn't prove it. Huge difference

Turner's not going to bring him to court because a) he probably said it and b) its his word v Zayed's. Courts won't decide a libel case on that
Actually Turner could take him to court and win easily because Zayed has no evidence for his accusation. I imagine both players just want to move on at this point.

[Ezeikial]

Actually Turner could take him to court and win easily because Zayed has no evidence for his accusation. I imagine both players just want to move on at this point.

Win easily in a libel action? It's not like a football match where you can have a clear winner (and loser) Just ask Albert Reynolds about his action against the Sunday Times. Turner would have to be even crazier then he appears to take a defamation action.

[Charlie Darwin]

It would never get to court. There's no burden of proof placed on the accuser in a defamation suit.