Unemployment

[Macy]

You need the utility bill, (within 3 months :rolleyes:) a parents note, and your bank statement, along with everything else.
It's probably a pain in the arse, but I have to say that doesn't seem excessive imo. To get a library card you need proof of address ffs.

[mypost]

No problem with needing a proof of address, it's the lengths they go to before being satisfied with it, is what's annoying.

[Closed Account 2]

Well boys, I shall soon be joining this category! I have through to the end of this month and then I am on notice.

[reder]

Anybody else see this in the indo?

Link (http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/now-golfing-pays-better-than-work-1708412.html)

[NeilMcD]

Yeah had have you not read the retor and the absolute rubbish that letter was and the nonsense that this guy spouted on Boards.ie, check out the budget thread.

[mypost]

Anybody else see this?

Must have been on every forum by now.

Just underlines again, what the attitude is towards social welfare, with false information given by those in current employment.

[mypost]

For the first time I can remember, there will be 2 monthly unemployment figures released this month, when the "April" :confused: figures are released today. Cue much wailing and arguing for the day in the Dail and on news shows, before the focus returns to the public finances on Thursday. Unemployment in Ireland today is an endurance test, not a one-day break. The only question is will the 400k barrier be broken today, or next month?

RTE News reports that Boyle is the town with the longest wait for JA claims to be processed in the country, at a staggering 19 weeks.

[pete]

ERSI says unemployment to hit 17% (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0429/breaking18.htm)



Unemployment in Ireland will rise to almost 17 per cent next year, the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) says in a report published today.

The ESRI forecast that Ireland will experience the sharpest fall in economic growth of any industrialised country since the Great Depression.

“Our forecasts suggest that Ireland’s economy will contract by around 14 per cent over the three years 2008 to 2010. By historic and international standards this is a truly dramatic development.


Are ESRI predictions normally correct? Probably been 15 years since saw unemployment at those numbers. Will surely see a lot more emigration at those rates.

[Closed Account 2]

ERSI says unemployment to hit 17% (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0429/breaking18.htm)



Are ESRI predictions normally correct? Probably been 15 years since saw unemployment at those numbers. Will surely see a lot more emigration at those rates.

Maybe but where to ? Most other countries are experiencing similar strife. On the one hand it's easier for EU nationals to move within the block than say 15 years ago, but why move to say France if there are hardly any jobs there ??

The US and Australia used to be attractive destinations but there are massive problems in these places too. US Unemployment is eeking towards 10% (may even be at that now).

[Royal rover]

difficulty this time round is with emmigration there's not really anywhere to go in the short term - in all reality anyone who's worked in a low skilled environment is going to find it very difficult to find work, that's the worrying thing.

[pete]

Maybe but where to ? Most other countries are experiencing similar strife.

I can't forsee other countries still seeing unemployment rising at the end of 2010. Ireland is clearly going to be hit worse off than almost all developed countries.

I feel lucky that almost all my employers business is international. Worst hit jobs in Ireland will be retail & services as 17% unemployment suggests the money won't be there to support them.

[mypost]

ESRI figures are as accurate as the government's. They keep changing all the time. The % figure could end up anything.

Cowen's response to the situation in Leaders Questions this morning, was the same as usual. All about the public finances, and about how many people will lose a miserly few Euro in the income levy from Friday. :mad: Shameful.

For the record, the numbers stand at 388,000. Only 13k since 4 weeks ago, but it's a charade figure, they shouldn't have been released until next week when a truer pattern would have emerged.

34k have joined the dole since March 4th, and have no income at all now.

[Battery Rover]

Dell start laying off this Friday and then in batches after that. I know there are a good few going in four weeks time as well.

Will have terrible effect on the local economy down here.

[irishultra]

difficulty this time round is with emmigration there's not really anywhere to go in the short term - in all reality anyone who's worked in a low skilled environment is going to find it very difficult to find work, that's the worrying thing.

Exactly. I have no idea what all those thousands who relied on construction industry are going to do.

Will Germany/UK/France be underaking any major infrastructure projects? I'd doubt it but Ireland is one of the youngest nations in Europe and most countries have ageing populations so maby this could be a niche for us if things get really bad and we don't recover in the near future or even show signs of recovery.

[mypost]

Social Welfare bill passed in the Senate tonight, awaiting McAleese's signature before it comes into force.

The €102 U-20 rate becomes active to all those new claimants who fall in the criteria from Friday, ironically called "Labour Day". :rolleyes:

Thread started here a year ago, with under 200k signing on. Will it be 600k this time next year?

[Ringo]

Dole is too generous, says top jobs expert


Alan Barrett of the ESRI will present evidence to today's conference showing that about half the immigrants who lost their jobs have stayed in Ireland.

Dr Barrett speculates that many will continue to live in Ireland because of the lack of opportunities elsewhere.

"The international experience suggests that immigration is viewed most positively when immigrants are seen as meeting the needs of the labour market. A rising stock of unemployed immigrants might lead to a less favourable attitude," Dr Barrett says.

Hard to say the money is too much.( i'm thinking of a guy with a family who's worked all his life), not the no hopers who see it as a career. The fact that wages are dropping is more the issue.

[pete]

Hard to say the money is too much.( i'm thinking of a guy with a family who's worked all his life), not the no hopers who see it as a career. The fact that wages are dropping is more the issue.

I think the problem is that with unemployment rising that means social welfare bill increases, with less people working tax take is lower. If you continue to increase taxes to make up the shortfall that depresses the economy further. No matter how much some earns i think if tax rate goes past 50% that would be a disaster. We can borrow in the shot term but soon that won't be viable anymore.

If ESRI predictions are correct I can see the state offering free plane/boat tickets to encourage emigration.

[Royal rover]

Dole is too generous, says top jobs expert



Hard to say the money is too much.( i'm thinking of a guy with a family who's worked all his life), not the no hopers who see it as a career. The fact that wages are dropping is more the issue.

agree anyone with a family needs it, the problem is if there's say a lad of 23 getting 200 a week - and the opportunity of doing the odd job here or there , and lives with the parents, really in the short term he's got enough for a few pints, the reality is your not going to be to bothered about not working in the short term- there's no real incentive to get off the dole, it's a very different scenario for a guy at 33 - with much more responsibility, i don't think it's right and the government will need to do something, i know lads my own age who haven't worked for 4 or 5 months but still spend the weekend in the pub, they do cash jobs during the week plus the the dole there still earning 400-500, i think the whole think needs to be changed , understandbly everyone's circumstances are different and i understand that there are large numbers of people who want to work.

[mypost]

For anyone been laid off, there is no worse week of the year to lose a job than this week. After the June bank holiday weekend, there are very few jobs available between then and the end of August. Recruitment companies may as well go on a 3-month siesta, while those out of work have to endure another 3 months of financial hardship.

[Battery Rover]

Close on 700 being laid of by Dell this week so these on top of students signing back on will make for interesting reading.

[mypost]

http://www.rte.ie/business/2009/0605/jobless.html

Despite the official figure standing at 396,000+, the economists are delirious at the realisation, that 3,000 people lost their jobs per week last month.

I don't know about you, but I don't think that is anything to celebrate about. :mad:

[Dodge]

Well if you expect 5,000 a week to lose their job, and 3,000 do, its obviously a better situation.

I've yet to read anyone say it was something to celebrate

[mypost]

3,000 per week is 3,000 too many.

In RTE's supplementary link (http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0605/liveregister.html), there is an audio report at the bottom with David Murphy, who lets us know how happy economists are with the governments economic policies. A reduction, not an increase in the live register is something to celebrate, the fact that those economic policies have contributed in part to the increase appears not to be recognised. :rolleyes:

Any declaration of a reduction in the numbers signing on is an illusion, as we're coming into the summer, where there is always considerably more added to the dole. 200,000 have signed on in the past 12 months.

[dahamsta]

mypost, you come up with some fairly ridiculous observations on current affairs, but that's the best yet. It's very nearly in Walter Mitty territory.

[Poor Student]

3,000 per week is 3,000 too many.


Don't be infantile. Adopt a realistic understanding of a very serious problem. If we're to see numbers in employment increasing again then the numbers of people becoming unemployed must first reduce and then halt. I don't think we're near that yet but less people becoming unemployed is a good thing. There will be no magic solution that sees a jump from 5,000 unemployed one month to 5,000 being employed the next.

[mypost]

Don't be infantile. Adopt a realistic understanding of a very serious problem. If we're to see numbers in employment increasing again then the numbers of people becoming unemployed must first reduce and then halt. I don't think we're near that yet but less people becoming unemployed is a good thing. There will be no magic solution that sees a jump from 5,000 unemployed one month to 5,000 being employed the next.

In this case, we're talking per week, as it's a rough breakdown of the monthly figure, which is still a lot of people.

Any "reduction" is an illusion, as during the summer the numbers increase, so the current reduction is not a sign of the effectiveness of the government's economic policies, it's merely the calm before the storm.

[Reality Bites]

11.9% unemployment for June

[mypost]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8128510.stm


The number of people claiming jobless benefits has almost doubled in the past year to 418,592.

In June, 21,721 more people were claiming unemployment benefits than had been in May.

[pete]

11.9% unemployment for June

CSO (http://www.cso.ie/statistics/sasunemprates.htm)

5.4% 12 months ago.

I believe this rate also includes people who are part-time but receive some form of unemployment payment & those unavailable for work? What is the name of the survey for fulltime unemployed people seeking employment?

[mypost]

http://www.meathchronicle.ie/opinion/letters/articles/2009/08/05/390098-europe-to-blame-for-economic-woes/

[Dodge]

Oooh a letter to the Meath Chronicle.

[osarusan]

Oooh a letter to the Meath Chronicle.
It's what made Sarkozy collapse.

[dahamsta]

That would have been better posted in the Lisbon thread mypost, since that's the agenda you're trying to push. I agree with your No vote, but in all honesty the way you put yourself across does more harm than good to both the No vote and your credibility.

Back on topic, you'd wonder how many people will have been told not to come back to work next week, after the builders fortnight.

adam

[mypost]

Thought it had more to do with the economic/unemployment situation than the Lisbon stuff, which was mostly confined towards the end of the piece, so I put it in here.

[dahamsta]

You must think people are very stupid mypost.

[mypost]

For those who haven't noticed, 17k signed on last month. The Thomas Cook workers will be on next month's figure.


The unadjusted jobless rate rose by an additional 17,143 people from June to 435,735 last month, giving an annual increase of just under 83 per cent.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0807/breaking27.htm

[Dodge]

For those who haven't noticed, 17k signed on last month.

Whats the point in this? Its on every single news report.

[OneRedArmy]

For those who haven't noticed, 17k signed on last month. The Thomas Cook workers will be on next month's figure.



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0807/breaking27.htmWhilst individually relevant, the Thomas Cook numbers are smaller than the error rate and statistically insignificant.

A more useful comparison is comparing our 12.7% rate with the US 9.4%. given the lack of a welfare safety net in the US unemployment should always be lower, so that's a pretty large number.

[mypost]

Whats the point in this? Its on every single news report.

From scanning through RTE's site, there doesn't appear to be any mention of the figures released on their news programmes yesterday.

[osarusan]

From scanning through RTE's site, there doesn't appear to be any mention of the figures released on their news programmes yesterday.


Scan harder.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0807/jobs.html


The unadjusted figure rose by 17,143 from June to 435,735, giving an annual increase of just under 83%.

[mypost]

Scan harder.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0807/jobs.html


there doesn't appear to be any mention of the figures released on their news programmes yesterday

Refers to tv/radio broadcasts of course.

[mypost]

There were reports yesterday.

5,000 more signed on last month, which brings the total to just 10k shy of the 450k mark.

More (http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0902/liveregister.html)

[mypost]

The latest figures were released this week, and show the first significant increase for a while, up by 3,000+ to 427,000.

An even bigger increase is expected next month.

[Acornvilla]

anyone think that to get the dole you should do 10hours of community service or charity work a week? might give people somthing to do i guess..

[endabob1]

I certainly think there is a trick being missed, there are a lot of highly skilled people on the dole who could be helping others with that knowledge.
Whether that needs to be mandatory or not is open to debate. I think there will be a re-emergence of the original Anco/FAS training ideals with more people joining courses rather than being on the dole.

[NeilMcD]

anyone think that to get the dole you should do 10hours of community service or charity work a week? might give people somthing to do i guess..

I think the argument against that is, that the dole then becomes the min wage.

[Acornvilla]

I think the argument against that is, that the dole then becomes the min wage.
well than you make this 'work' last for as many hours as the dole is worth if you were being pain minnimum wages. if you work for 10 hours for 200ish quid thats a lot more than minimum wage!

[pineapple stu]

Refers to tv/radio broadcasts of course.
You conveniently left out the bit in your post where you said "From scanning through RTE's site", which of course isn't TV/radio broadcasts.

Edit - stupid bumping old threads...

[jebus]

anyone think that to get the dole you should do 10hours of community service or charity work a week? might give people somthing to do i guess..

I've said the same to other people, I really don't see how it could be anything other than beneficial if you got people working in the community for their dole. It gets the terminal dole scum out of bed, gives the decent unemployed people something to do, might help rebuild community spirit in areas (which I personally think is a huge problem at the moment), helps peoples self esteem by giving them something to work towards and also justifies what is a pretty decent chunk of public change (English people I know genuinely can't believe how much we are given over here)

[Acornvilla]

I've said the same to other people, I really don't see how it could be anything other than beneficial if you got people working in the community for their dole. It gets the terminal dole scum out of bed, gives the decent unemployed people something to do, might help rebuild community spirit in areas (which I personally think is a huge problem at the moment), helps peoples self esteem by giving them something to work towards and also justifies what is a pretty decent chunk of public change (English people I know genuinely can't believe how much we are given over here)
i suppose community work sounds better on a c.v than dole aswell someone agrees with me wow :cool: