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OneRedArmy
10/02/2009, 2:32 PM
4 months, who gets four months.3 months in the summer, plus rest of year.
The Anglo protest crossed a line.
By branding all bankers together as crooks, I'm entitled to brand all public sector employees as workshy wasters. Obviously that's not the truth, but the Anglo picket invites stuff like this.
NeilMcD
10/02/2009, 3:59 PM
You said 4 month summer holidays. Teachers do not get 4 month summer holidays.
Did you ever hear the expression 2 wrongs do not make a right. Just because somebody makes a generalisation about bankers, it does not follow you should then make a similar generatlisation about another sector. Surely the best way to debate with an inaccurate generalisation is to prove his point wrong with facts, not with an equally in accurate generalistion..
You said 4 month summer holidays. Teachers do not get 4 month summer holidays.
I believe it is 4 months holidays for secondary teachers when include Summer, Christmas, easter etc... I used to think was 3 months total until a teacher corrected me. Teaching not a high paid job mainly because of the holidays although it would seem worthwhile investigating idea of reducing summer holidays from 3 to 2 months.
Battery Rover
10/02/2009, 5:38 PM
Listening to Jack O'Connor the head of SIPTU on the news where he says that industrial action on a very dramatic scale will be required to resist the ongoing attacks on both public and private workers.
Having been made redundant from my last 4 jobs personally I for one would not support any person taking part in this and in my view if they do stage strikes people should be left on strike until they have no choice but to go back to work.
When people go on strike and lose earnings i am pretty sure he will still receive his full wage every week.
Listening to Jack O'Connor the head of SIPTU on the news where he says that industrial action on a very dramatic scale will be required to resist the ongoing attacks on both public and private workers.
They are deluded. Does he just want to be seen to be doing something & make it look like he is suffering with the great masses?
From the IT.
The chairman of Ictu's public services committee, Peter McLoone, said it could "require more than one day of demonstrations to get the Government to recognise the depth of feeling among trade union members"
I don't agree that FF (& Greens) are doing a good job but they were elected. Some people call FF right wing but thats what the voters choose. Its not like FF suddenly changed their policies as they have been reasonably consistent over the last 10 years.
dahamsta
10/02/2009, 6:31 PM
Hitler was elected too.
Poor Student
10/02/2009, 6:51 PM
Teaching not a high paid job mainly because of the holidays although it would seem worthwhile investigating idea of reducing summer holidays from 3 to 2 months.
I don't get it, Pete. Are you advocating extending the school year for students just to get our money's worth out of teacher's salaries?
dahamsta
10/02/2009, 7:27 PM
Could we not put words in each other's mouths please? He could just as easily be advocating more education.
(Which isn't such a bad idea, although better quality education might be a better priority. Chris Horn put it very well when he said that we need to concentrate on Core skills, not "up skills" (http://chrishornat.blogspot.com/2009/01/core-skills-not-up-skills.html).
The days when Ireland's strengths were advanced telecommunications and a highly-educated workforce are long gone. Two items Gov.ie should be working on as a priority; two items Gov.ie is worked hard against. Idiots.)
adam
Reality Bites
10/02/2009, 9:25 PM
3 months in the summer, plus rest of year.
The Anglo protest crossed a line.
By branding all bankers together as crooks, I'm entitled to brand all public sector employees as workshy wasters. Obviously that's not the truth, but the Anglo picket invites stuff like this.
Ah thanks for that, all that Hyberbole in the media recently led me to believe that Sean Fitzpatrick was Lucifer incarnate when he was in reality just a victim of capitalism thats all, all those other bankers were just on the crest of a wave...I think we should all turn the other cheek accept that when capitalism goes wrong we should all take a hit even if not culpable - Sure if the shoe was on the other foot wouldn't the banks do the same for us.. well wouldn't they?
OneRedArmy
10/02/2009, 10:20 PM
Ah thanks for that, all that Hyberbole in the media recently led me to believe that Sean Fitzpatrick was Lucifer incarnate when he was in reality just a victim of capitalism thats all, all those other bankers were just on the crest of a wave...I think we should all turn the other cheek accept that when capitalism goes wrong we should all take a hit even if not culpable - Sure if the shoe was on the other foot wouldn't the banks do the same for us.. well wouldn't they?I don't recall ever having said anything other than Fitzpatrick was a crook and heads should roll elsewhere. But where do you draw the line at who was and wasn't culpable? That wasn't a rhetorical question by the way, since you seem to find it easy to apportion blame, I'd be grateful if you could tell me where it stops.
Almost everyone in the state benefited from the property boom over the last few years and if we take the view that wealth created since 200X wasn't real, I'd like to know how much you and the rest of the outraged populace have handed back?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, on the way up the country was full of libertarian free marketeers tiger cubs who wanted to be left to get on n with making money, now the milks spilled everyone wants a nanny state and to be saved from their own decisions.
What else should we expect from a country that returned the current bunch of clowns in government repeatedly?
NeilMcD
10/02/2009, 10:21 PM
I believe it is 4 months holidays for secondary teachers when include Summer, Christmas, easter etc... I used to think was 3 months total until a teacher corrected me. Teaching not a high paid job mainly because of the holidays although it would seem worthwhile investigating idea of reducing summer holidays from 3 to 2 months.
I agree they get 4 months holidays but they do not get 4 months summer holidays.
OneRedArmy
10/02/2009, 10:23 PM
I agree they get 4 months holidays but they do not get 4 months summer holidays.And that changes the argument how?
NeilMcD
10/02/2009, 10:27 PM
And that changes the argument how?
Well if you are going to make comments about teachers and how they have too much holidays I do think it is important to have your facts right, dont you, I could easily come along and say they have 2 months summer holidays, so thats half of what you said. Surely its important to actually get the facts right.
Poor Student
10/02/2009, 10:46 PM
Could we not put words in each other's mouths please? He could just as easily be advocating more education.
Sorry, I was seeking clarification from Pete as I wasn't quite sure where he was coming from.
dahamsta
11/02/2009, 12:29 AM
Sorry, I was seeking clarification from Pete as I wasn't quite sure where he was coming from.Neither does pete. :)
mypost
11/02/2009, 12:54 AM
Listening to Jack O'Connor the head of SIPTU on the news where he says that industrial action on a very dramatic scale will be required to resist the ongoing attacks on both public and private workers.
Having been made redundant from my last 4 jobs personally I for one would not support any person taking part in this and in my view if they do stage strikes people should be left on strike until they have no choice but to go back to work.
When people go on strike and lose earnings i am pretty sure he will still receive his full wage every week.
:D:D
They have no regard for private sector workers. As long as the public sector isn't touched, and the private sector takes all the blows, they don't care. There was no intention of industrial action being taken until the government moved last week. :rolleyes: There were even no job cuts announced.
I also would not support any action by them.
You obviously are aware that SIPTU is 2/3 Private Sector workers compared to 1/3 Public Sector. You are also obviously aware the main elements that the Union side was trying to get agreement on in the social partnership "talks" were pension protection for private sector workers, security against home repossessions (which according to many on here is only a threat to private sector workers) and a flexicurity system? Or is it just another illinformed rant?
You obviously are aware that SIPTU is 2/3 Private Sector workers compared to 1/3 Public Sector.
In fairness it is not obvious as 90% of what SIPTU talk about if public sector related.
In fairness it is not obvious as 90% of what SIPTU talk about if public sector related.
Not true. Might be true of the reportage, but then that fits in with the myth that only the Public Sector is unionised. The media don't want to cover the campaigns against exploitation, for workers rights, about agency rights. It doesn't suit their agenda. SIPTU has sold the last two wage agreements to their public sector branchs on the basis of the concessions for Private sector workers, such as an increased labour inspectorate.
Not true. Might be true of the reportage, but then that fits in with the myth that only the Public Sector is unionised. The media don't want to cover the campaigns against exploitation, for workers rights, about agency rights.
AFAIK pretty much all journalists are NUJ members? I presume you mean editorial is anti union?
mypost
11/02/2009, 12:47 PM
Or is it just another illinformed rant?
So you don't think it's vaguely fishy that talk of industrial action and demos, only suddenly appear when it's announced that the public sector will have to take it's share of the financial pain, no?? :confused:
The recession has been ongoing since late '06, the banking crisis merely accelerated the speed of the redundancies. 150,000 people signed on over the last 12 months. They can't take to the streets, unless it's outside a dole office.
I would've thought it was a breakdown in the talks that provoked it. SIPTU have been adamant that it should be about workers in general since the break down of talks.
Just because you choose to believe what suits what you want to believe, doesn't make it true. Or more like it, just because you choose to believe what the employers organisations and government want you to believe, doesn't make it true.
mypost
11/02/2009, 4:11 PM
I would've thought it was a breakdown in the talks that provoked it. SIPTU have been adamant that it should be about workers in general since the break down of talks.
They were up in arms before and during the talks process. The nurses even said that cutting their pay would be "illegal". Now the decision's been made, the tax levy is being introduced, they're off to demonstrate and possibly throw the country into chaos. And keep their jobs while they're at it. :mad:
They were up in arms before and during the talks process. The nurses even said that cutting their pay would be "illegal". Now the decision's been made, the tax levy is being introduced, they're off to demonstrate and possibly throw the country into chaos. And keep their jobs while they're at it. :mad:
Your right about the unions only getting wound up now becase of the pension levy. No one is losing their job in the public sector, but a lot of private sector workers aren't in a union so the unions aren't worried about them. Their looking after the public sector workers. If they strike, it'll be public sector strikes that will cause the most problems, buses, trains, nurses, etc.
1,100 jobs going at SR Technics (formerly Team Aer Lingus). I would suspect fairly well paying jobs there too.
Fr Damo
12/02/2009, 1:50 PM
Yes but Aer Lingus are taking some of this work back in house and there might be some work going for some of those 1100.
Heard the MD of the parent on news at one and he clisms we are 20% more expensive in terms of labour and labour was 95% of a maintanace bill, in essence he said they were losing money on the jobs they were doing. Bullsh%t,!! Is he telling us they only made about 25% margin on their contracts? Why didn't they call the Unions in before hand to work a solution and finally, why is Coughlan still in Office? Her office/dept is the second most important after Lenihan and she hasn't a clue.
mypost
12/02/2009, 2:48 PM
I thought those SR Technics jobs had gone weeks ago. Ryanair have cut another 200 at DA, due to the travel tax imposed. You can't blame them for taking the action because of that, but you have to wonder what they mean when O'Leary talks constantly about "creating more jobs", and "establishing new routes". :confused::rolleyes:
As for the government, and the unions, well it's another black day for the private sector, so neither give a 4x about them really.
Ryanair announcement
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news.php?yr=09&month=feb&story=gen-en-120209
Dublin Airport Authority reply
http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/latest-news/120209_stunt.html
Excellent reply IMO
OneRedArmy
12/02/2009, 3:14 PM
Yes but Aer Lingus are taking some of this work back in house and there might be some work going for some of those 1100.
Heard the MD of the parent on news at one and he clisms we are 20% more expensive in terms of labour and labour was 95% of a maintanace bill, in essence he said they were losing money on the jobs they were doing. Bullsh%t,!! Is he telling us they only made about 25% margin on their contracts? Why didn't they call the Unions in before hand to work a solution and finally, why is Coughlan still in Office? Her office/dept is the second most important after Lenihan and she hasn't a clue.Agree about Coughlan, embarrassing at this stage.
But on SR Technics, that place has been on the verge of closing for the last few years at least. Terrible IR going back to it's TEAM days and the cuurent economic situation was the final nail in the coffin rather than the cause.
Though the point remains that it's 1,200 well paid skilled jobs gone that can't be replaced by retail or call-centre positions.
Don't know about the financial numbers but would seem reasonable that vast majority of SR Technics costs would be labour.
Ryanair would be mainly cutting back as people take less holidays in recessions. I would guess Ryanair won't cut number son main routes but will be those out of the way places that rely on holiday traffic. That said Ryanair need to keep their fares low as I would think a lot of traffic is people going to those out of the way places because of the cheap flights in the first place.
Bit off topic but I would agree with DAA facilities being third rate. Ryanair obviously no stranger to third rate facilities but I guess they like paying less for them. I read that 170 flights were cancelled last week & many at the end of the week when runway was open but the DAA could not clear the apron. Even Aer Lingus criticised them last week. Came through Pier D last week & Passport contol area is horriblly organised.
Fr Damo
12/02/2009, 7:39 PM
I would guess Ryanair won't cut number son main routes but will be those out of the way places that rely on holiday traffic.
Dunno bout that Pete, I fly to Leeds/Brad for work once a month or so and in 05 when I started with this job O Leary had four in and four flights out of there from Dublin. Today he has two a day and according to his statement this is one of the routes he is cutting back further on. Trust me West Yorks is not a holiday destination:D.
He is also looking at Manchester in terms of trimming back and the reason i mention this is becuase it is no coincidence these routes are being cut at a time when Irish expoters to the UK are suffering in trying to sell into a depressed UK market and a weak quid, these routes are obviously dependant on business trips for a fair portion of the seats.
John83
13/02/2009, 6:03 PM
Ryanair announcement
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news.php?yr=09&month=feb&story=gen-en-120209
Dublin Airport Authority reply
http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/latest-news/120209_stunt.html
Excellent reply IMO
Yes, well said DAA!
Pauro 76
13/02/2009, 7:37 PM
A bit out of the loop so forgive me if im not up to speed. Tourist tax of €10? How do they charge it? How do you have to pay it?
Just another charge on the ticket, collected through the airlines. Totally bull by Ryanair anyway, given their range of charges. How much is the unavoidable credit card charge they make you pay?
anto1208
16/02/2009, 12:56 PM
Just another charge on the ticket, collected through the airlines. Totally bull by Ryanair anyway, given their range of charges. How much is the unavoidable credit card charge they make you pay?
Its 5 euro per person per flight but is totally avoidable i use www.entropay.com when you set it up put your currency into sterling then when you use it to book your ryanair flights choose card type Visa Electron thats free. Saves a good bit if you have a few flights to book
NeilMcD
16/02/2009, 3:40 PM
Thats interesting Anto, can you tell us more about that. I would be interested in avoiding that charge.
dahamsta
16/02/2009, 4:08 PM
He just explained it Neil, all the info you need is in that post. Sign up, using STG, and use it to book with Ryanair.
anto1208
16/02/2009, 4:19 PM
Thats interesting Anto, can you tell us more about that. I would be interested in avoiding that charge.
Stuck it in here as to not clog up this thread with off topic stuff
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=1106304#post1106304
Intel to seek redundancies (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0217/breaking58.htm)
Staff at Intel’s manufacturing operation in Leixlip, Co Kildare have been told that the company expects to seek two to three hundred voluntary redundancies in April.
Very little industries unaffected by recession.
Royal rover
19/02/2009, 9:07 AM
more jobs to go - this time clonmel by the looks of things - http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0219/bulmers.html - not suprised to be honest - i nearly fell off a bar stool in Dublin when the guy asked me for 6.20 not so long ago , the average you would pay for this stuff in london is £3.50/£4.00 (magners) and i have got it for as little as 2.70 in Edinburgh - does anyone know how this works - surely if it's exported it should cost more, i don't get it ? Anyone?
NeilMcD
19/02/2009, 4:45 PM
Huge tax on cider imposed by McCreevy a few years ago.
Much as Bulmers may try they still a hige amount of their product in the summer. Apparently sales were down a lot last year in the UK.
I heard in the UK they now serve in a glass bigger than pint so that ice goes in first followed by a pint of cider - apparently the glass is marked to show you are getting a pint or something...
Fr Damo
25/02/2009, 10:24 AM
http://www.rte.ie/business/2009/0225/elan.html
Elan letting go 115, about 80 in Athlone and the rest in Dublin. The Government are going to have to rethink their jobs strategy becuase high end jobs are not required when there is no consupmtion in the World Economy. The Brits and our selves have been driving our low tech jobs to China and India in persuit of lower consumer prices and now all of our money is over there and is going to cost us big time to borrow it back to start again.
There is a thread somewhere that says a 10% fall in GDP is an indicator of a depression, I hear lots of antidotal evedence at work about businesses being 50 and 60% back on last year, we must be damn close to it.
Waterford Wedgewood sold (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0227/breaking52.htm)
The US company is said to be committed to maintaining some employment in Waterford, although it is not known how many of the 708 jobs that were there before manufacturing halted will ultimately be saved.
Some jobs is better than none. Would be surprised if they took on all the pension obligations. I suppose its a watch this space situation...
Colbert Report
02/03/2009, 12:14 AM
What is the job situation actually like in Ireland right now? All I read is gloom and doom. I'm heading home, possibly for good, after being away for many many years. Are there any jobs at all on the go, even low-paying ones? I'm a young guy, no wife or children, no expensive habits. Would I be able to get by fine living in Cork or Dublin? Cheers.
mypost
02/03/2009, 2:58 AM
The job situation is poor and getting worse I'm afraid. Ireland Inc is shut in all sectors. If you read that it's doom and gloom, it's not fairy stories, it's because it is doom and gloom.
The latest unemployment figures are out this week, and will probably be about 10%, not seen since the early-nineties.
What is the job situation actually like in Ireland right now? All I read is gloom and doom. I'm heading home, possibly for good, after being away for many many years. Are there any jobs at all on the go, even low-paying ones? I'm a young guy, no wife or children, no expensive habits. Would I be able to get by fine living in Cork or Dublin? Cheers.
Impossible to comment unless know what type of job you looking at. That said seems most people just keeping their heads down hoping to keep their job so can ride it out...
There are jobs there, but all sectors are shedding jobs and slowing recruitment (including the public sector where contract staff and staff in their probationary periods are being let go, and positions aren't being filled). It'd depend on what jobs you're after and what skills you have.
Billsthoughts
02/03/2009, 9:14 PM
we have a hire freeze last few months. also had a few people I hadnt heard from in ages contact me looking for work so must be what the recruitment agencies are telling people to do. try any contact you have and just send them a mail or a text. ya never know. I didnt have anything cause of the pay freeze but did get a couple interviews elsewhere.
we have a hire freeze last few months. also had a few people I hadnt heard from in ages contact me looking for work so must be what the recruitment agencies are telling people to do. try any contact you have and just send them a mail or a text. ya never know.
Individuals or Agencies contacting you?
I think Recruitment Agencies do the cold calling when they are not busy - had a few of them onto us just fishing for work in recent months...
I think the problem with moving job in this climate is that you don't know what financial situation they are in, at least with existing employer you should have better idea if business coming in.
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