Terry Venables

[Billsthoughts]

I would have a lot of time for carsley. agree on o shea tho.
It seems to be 50-50 as to who is making a bigger farce of the process - the media or the FAI ? leaks should be controlled a bit better. The only statement to come from FAI should be when the appointment has been made. The selection commitee thing should never have been mentioned until they had people in place. It was pure smokescreen to divert attention away from delaney for the staunton disaster.

[Kingdom]

That's riddiculously harsh on Carsley, he'd been out with an injury and had lost his place in the Everton side. He put his international career on hold in order to get his place back and spend more time with his family as one of his kids is special needs. At he time he said "As soon as I am playing again, I will be straight on the phone saying I want to be considered for the Ireland squad".

He was available for a number of squads and wrongly ignored before being recalled.

I don't have a problem with him, I'm just asking why is he involved in the process? He has retired prematurely before (regardless of the reasons) and will do well to feature by the end of the next campaign. I would have said the same about Stephen Carr if he had been included. None of the players should have been consulted. Its up to them to perform for the manager chosen, not for them to have an input in to who this person is.
I'm aware of Carsley's background and family issues.

[Schlooooomp]

It seems to be 50-50 as to who is making a bigger farce of the process - the media or the FAI ?

How can the media make a farce of an appointment that has nothing to do with them, sure they have written opinion pieces that people don't agree with but outside of reporting the mad hatter's antics, I don't really see what farcical role they are playing.

[Billsthoughts]

Everyday there is a new piece about who is in the running and who is not. who has been consulted and who hasnt.....the giles as kingmaker ****e...
Am not one to blame the media for everything but in this case I think they are adding to a sense of farce. I dont mind opinion pieces on the merits or demerits of the respective canditates. Its the "an FAI insider says...." pieces that do my head in.

[Kingdom]

Everyday there is a new piece about who is in the running and who is not. who has been consulted and who hasnt.....the giles as kingmaker ****e...
Am not one to blame the media for everything but in this case I think they are adding to a sense of farce. I dont mind opinion pieces on the merits or demerits of the respective canditates. Its the "an FAI insider says...." pieces that do my head in.

Dion Fanning is the most culpable for the whole "insider" lark. He's being going on and on and on about Venables with no good reason. Its almost as if the more he goes on about it the more likely the FAI will be to consider Venables.
What I hate is the fact that he never really considers any other candidates. He never objectively looks at other candidates. I hate him.

[Bondvillain]

Fanning was on Newstalk yesterday afternoon, and , open minded as he wanted to appear, the general gyst of his dictation was that anyone who objected to (what he considered) the imminent appointment of Venables was either :

A) An enemy of Football
B) Not as clever as him
C) Eamonn Dunphy

OR

D) All three.

End of. There was no middle ground.

[NeilMcD]

The problem is that Fanning is not even a football fan. He does not have a clue. How the Sunday Independent is the biggest selling newspaper I will never know.

[citizenerased]

agree about fanning, youd swear he put a load of cash on it...he even dismissed the houllier possibility as a laughable suggestion...he deffo has an agenda somewhere along the line...

If venable does get appointed and it does go pear shaped, then fanning will have alot of egg on his face...

Venables ffs!!

[eekers]

fanning is just a populist

sees venables as the popular choice amongst people who know nothing about football
he was a big cheerleader for kerr too, thought he was gonna be the second coming

[Pablo]

Anyone hearing the Vanables/Townsend combo stories?

Frightening :(

[jmurphyc]

Anyone hearing the Vanables/Townsend combo stories?

Frightening :(

It sounds like the Robson/Staunton world class combo, only even worse. However, I think this is just media b*llsh*t; they're just looking for a story to sell papers.

[soccerc]

Anyone hearing the Vanables/Townsend combo stories?

Frightening :(


Don't believe everything you read.

It is obvious that this combo has only come from one side and it's not Townsend. The tail is definitely wagging the dog here.

Think about how Bobby Robson was touted as last manager and when it was leaked to gauge public reaction it was quickly reversed with Stan getting the Gaffers job.

I suspect those pimping Venables are aware of the feelings towards him and by adding Andy to the ticket may make it more palatable to joe public.


Just my informed opinion btw :p

[Pablo]

Don't believe everything you read.

It is obvious that this combo has only come from one side and it's not Townsend. The tail is definitely wagging the dog here.

Think about how Bobby Robson was touted as last manager and when it was leaked to gauge public reaction it was quickly reversed with Stan getting the Gaffers job.

I suspect those pimping Venables are aware of the feelings towards him and by adding Andy to the ticket may make it more palatable to joe public.


Just my informed opinion btw :p

Well its hardly a case of 2 cockneys is better than 1!

I think adding Townsend to the Venables "ticket" makes it even less appealing.

FFS why cant the FAI just get this right and go after a proper Manager.

[NeilMcD]

I think its funny that people on here get annoyed about things that have not even happend. THe FAI are frustrating enough and they wreck your head about things that do happen so its not good for all our healths to get annoyed by things that have not even happened yet. Everybody take a chill pill and wait and see who they have appointed. Venables bad, Hodgson good.

[soccerc]

FFS why cant the FAI just get this right and go after a proper Manager.

It's not the FAI, it's one person and his spin doctor :cool:

[Kingdom]

I think its funny that people on here get annoyed about things that have not even happend. THe FAI are frustrating enough and they wreck your head about things that do happen so its not good for all our healths to get annoyed by things that have not even happened yet. Everybody take a chill pill and wait and see who they have appointed. Venables bad, Hodgson good.

Thats too hard. Its much easier to rant and rave. Reduces the stress levels too.

[shakermaker1982]

I don't want El Tel and I definitely don't want an assistant manager with no coaching qualifications whatsoever. Is there one person on this forum who wants that orange cockney? I'd rather have Big Ron - yep that is how bad this potential appointment is. He's won an FA Cup with Spurs, a league and cup with Barca (I can do that on football manager if I wanted to) and he got to a semi final at Euro 96 (as hosts). When you consider South Korea got to a world cup SEMI FINAL back in 2002 it puts his achievement into perspective.

[Kingdom]

I don't want El Tel and I definitely don't want an assistant manager with no coaching qualifications whatsoever. Is there one person on this forum who wants that orange cockney? I'd rather have Big Ron - yep that is how bad this potential appointment is. He's won an FA Cup with Spurs, a league and cup with Barca (I can do that on football manager if I wanted to) and he got to a semi final at Euro 96 (as hosts). When you consider South Korea got to a world cup SEMI FINAL back in 2002 it puts his achievement perspective.

I think anyone who has been out of management since the turn of the century should be discounted, unless of course they're a former World Cup winning manager. Cue picture of Delaney rolling Alf Ramsey's coffin out the tunnel of croker with delaney's hand moving alf's jaw in a miming action. Wiggum?

[OwlsFan]

Lawrenson was talking him up big time on the Last Word this evening. Sounded even persuasive. Lots of texters with other suggestions but none mentioned Hodgson. Souness apparently wants to buy a club so he's out of the running.

[eekers]

Wake me up when the selection panel members have been finalised. Then we and the press can engage in informed, as opposed to uninformed, spectulation.

[soccerc]

Wake me up when the selection panel members have been finalised. Then we and the press can engage in informed, as opposed to uninformed, spectulation.

Time to take the head out of the sand, this is not idle speculation.

You need to understand from whom and where all this information regarding Venables and Townsend is emanating from.

A selection panel will/can only select and report based on the criteria set before it. See Genesis I, II and III

However, it could be certain people just jumping the gun and putting one and one together to actually get three.

[OneRedArmy]

Wake me up when the selection panel members have been finalised. Then we and the press can engage in informed, as opposed to uninformed, spectulation.
The same way Delaney wasn't going to have anything to do with the appointment this time, then 2 weeks later he personally contacts Paul Jewell to beg him to reconsider his decision not to put his name forward?

"Selection panel" me arse....

[Superhoops]

...However, it could be certain people just jumping the gun and putting one and one together to actually get three.
Paddy Power has put one and one together and come up with Venables at 8/13. Big money from somewhere!

[eekers]

Paddy Power has put one and one together and come up with Venables at 8/13. Big money from somewhere!

i dont think its big money. every eejit in the country (including me) has a tenner on someone. he's by far the most well known candidate and the one most hyped by the best selling papers in the country

[eekers]

The same way Delaney wasn't going to have anything to do with the appointment this time, then 2 weeks later he personally contacts Paul Jewell to beg him to reconsider his decision not to put his name forward?

"Selection panel" me arse....

you dont think delaney is stupid enough to pick another manager. i think delaney was right to ring jewell once he had told giles he didnt want the job. delaney didnt offer jewell the job at any stage, jewell confirmed that.

[eekers]

You need to understand from whom and where all this information regarding Venables and Townsend is emanating from.

its all coming from with the fai i'm sure, they are aware of delaney's movements etc.
Pro Venables factions thought throwing in the name townsend would turn round some of the anti venables sentiment going around.
Also the anti venables (pro brady??) faction leaked the story in the Irish Daily Star that three of the 10-person Board of Management are strongly opposed to the candidacy of Venables

[NeilMcD]

Time to take the head out of the sand, this is not idle speculation.

You need to understand from whom and where all this information regarding Venables and Townsend is emanating from.

A selection panel will/can only select and report based on the criteria set before it. See Genesis I, II and III

However, it could be certain people just jumping the gun and putting one and one together to actually get three.

Can you stop talking in code and fi you are going to have a pop at eekers for having his head in the sand and let him undersand where the information is coming from.

I dont know where its coming from. can you put us out of our misery.

[Superhoops]

i dont think its big money. every eejit in the country (including me) has a tenner on someone. he's by far the most well known candidate and the one most hyped by the best selling papers in the country
Takes more than a few tenners to shorten to 8/13.

[soccerc]

Takes more than a few tenners to shorten to 8/13.

Indeed Superhoops.

It would be an interesting exercise to see the amount laid on betfair.

I don't understand gambling but I do have a friend who can work out the actual amounts bet from the info on the betfair website. I'll ask him to churn the numbers.

[Jerry The Saint]

Indeed Superhoops.

It would be an interesting exercise to see the amount laid on betfair.

I don't understand gambling but I do have a friend who can work out the actual amounts bet from the info on the betfair website. I'll ask him to churn the numbers.

Have we had the usual round of "Paddy Power has suspended betting!!!!111!!!" yet? :rolleyes:

[Superhoops]

Indeed Superhoops.

It would be an interesting exercise to see the amount laid on betfair.

I don't understand gambling but I do have a friend who can work out the actual amounts bet from the info on the betfair website. I'll ask him to churn the numbers.
There has been £80.7k traded on Betfair, £28.6k of which involved backing and laying Venables.

[soccerc]

There has been £80.7k traded on Betfair, £28.6k of which involved backing and laying Venables.
Thanks, doesn't seem like a lot of money. Maybe the memo of understanding between the FAI and Betfair is in play!

[Superhoops]

Have we had the usual round of "Paddy Power has suspended betting!!!!111!!!" yet? :rolleyes:
Yeah, looks like it has been taken off in the last hour or so.

[rebelarmyexile]

I think its funny that people on here get annoyed about things that have not even happend. THe FAI are frustrating enough and they wreck your head about things that do happen so its not good for all our healths to get annoyed by things that have not even happened yet. Everybody take a chill pill and wait and see who they have appointed. Venables bad, Hodgson good.

"How can I expect to soar like an eagle, when I am surrounded by turkeys" CJ Haughey.

sums up Irelands management really

[eekers]

Yeah, looks like it has been taken off in the last hour or so.

paddypower seems to do that every night, ive been watching it for the last few days. i've no idea why

[geysir]

AFAIU they take the book offline to protect themselves from a surge of bets when the book is not being monitered. My understanding is nothing more than a guess.

Venables has drifted out to 8/11 on Betfair and hey presto 5 seconds later after a page refresh he is at 4/5.

[Scram]

paddypower seems to do that every night, ive been watching it for the last few days. i've no idea why

They are afraid of the overseas punters (Eastern I believe). And they want to get some kip!!

Not happy about Venerable but I do like Townsend a lot.

[Paulh]

I'm not in favour of Venables getting the job.

However I have read in a number of places that, although Venables did suggest 3-5-2 against Croatia, he wanted Rio Ferdinand to play as the sweeper. He was overruled by McLaren who went 3-5-2 but with John Terry as sweeper!

I've read a number of articles from Rio Ferdinand where he has praised Venables for giving him sound tactical advice and making him a better player.

I am well aware of Venables failings and I would rather see Roy Hodgson get the job. However, my worry about Venables if he was appointed wouldn't be his coaching ability (it's hard to find a top class player who he has worked with who doesn't rate him as a coach).

I think that, in fairness, the England debacle was much more McLaren's fault than Venables. He is a top class coach and, frankly, not suited to being a number 2 (especially to an inferior manager). Towards the end, as I understand it, he was largely "frozen out" by McLaren with little or no input.

I'd be more concerned about his commitment and, if the going gets tough, will he just look for a payoff and go back to his comfortable life as a TV pundit?



Both Croatia and Australia played 3 at the back in WC06. Australia didn't use wing backs so much as a 3-1-4-1-1 wuth Grella protecting the back 4, a regular midfield, Cahill playing off Viduka.

A pro Venables piece in This is London (Evening standard online I think - how objective would that be? Venables has mates well placed in the media, especially London & the Standard always sticks up for their own) said that TV wanted a different role to be played by the 3 CBs than Mclaren. They went with 3 at the back but with McLaren's idea of how to use it. Like it counted anyway, Croatia were better that day too and would have been no matter who or how England lined up.

[ifk101]

The FAI hasn't clearly learned from the mistakes made with Stan. IMO it's wasn't the appointment of Stan that was the critical mistake but the process that lead to his appointment. This process is still in place and it's a process I have little faith or trust in.

Alarm bells are ringing in my head with the continued mention of Terry Venables' name.

[macdermesser]

The FAI hasn't clearly learned from the mistakes made with Stan. IMO it's wasn't the appointment of Stan that was the critical mistake but the process that lead to his appointment. This process is still in place and it's a process I have little faith or trust in.

Alarm bells are ringing in my head with the continued mention of Terry Venables' name.

Alarm bells are ringing indeed... I just hope that somebody on the FAI Board has the balls to stand up and be counted for today at this "hastily arranged meeting" .. and to be fair, going on the article in the indo this morning, it would seem that some of the board want to interview all the candidates... (so no more of the "I had a lot of paperwork to do EAMON .. he of "I knew Stan was the wrong man from the beginning but I let John get away with that answer") Of all the candidates, Hodgson is the strongest .. he is starting to be mentioned for other jobs now. .. at Inter, Derby County, Australia .. even the England job.

And that's of the candidates that they have only considered .. what about all the names that we were suggesting here a few weeks ago .. the Dutchmen, germans etc?

[cavan_fan]

The FAI hasn't clearly learned from the mistakes made with Stan. IMO it's wasn't the appointment of Stan that was the critical mistake but the process that lead to his appointment. This process is still in place and it's a process I have little faith or trust in.


Nope it was the appointemnet of Stan that was the mistake. Even if they had carried out a national referendum the selection of Stan would have been wrong. On the other hand if Delaney had consulted the tea leaves and decided on Leo Bennhakker it would have been fine. It's another example of the FAI obsession with process and power. No-one in the FAI seems too bothered as to who is appointed just that the junior representative for Monaghan women's football is not being consulted.

[Schlooooomp]

I've read a number of articles from Rio Ferdinand where he has praised Venables for giving him sound tactical advice and making him a better player.


There is a recommendation if I ever heard one, Rio Ferdinand - one of the games deep thinkers :rolleyes:

[Scram]

There is a recommendation if I ever heard one, Rio Ferdinand - one of the games deep thinkers :rolleyes:

You spelt "tinkers" wrong

[tetsujin1979]

I've read a number of articles from Rio Ferdinand where he has praised Venables for giving him sound tactical advice and making him a better player.
Would that be advice like this: from http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8749_2899984,00.html

The Bloke's A Genius
As reported by The Daily Mail:

'Terry Venables made his way across the training pitch at Carrington, pulled Rio Ferdinand aside and quietly reminded the England defender that he had the ability to carry the ball out from the back.

'Those precious moments, the nugget of information or the tactical insight from an experienced member of the backroom team, can make players feel a million dollars.

'The following evening - August 16, 2006 - Ferdinand did just that during England's 4-0 destruction of Greece in Steve McClaren's first game in charge.

'Venables had won the players over and McClaren was convinced his appointment was the right decision.'

Coaching is just sooooo difficult.

So he told Rio that he can run with the ball. Genius.

[Schlooooomp]

You spelt "tinkers" wrong

Indeed :D

[Jerry The Saint]

Would that be advice like this: from http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8749_2899984,00.html


So he told Rio that he can run with the ball. Genius.


Surprised Rio didn't pick it up.

[shakermaker1982]

can we have some kind of ANTI TEL pressure group? Every media article I've read seems to think his appointment would go well with the fans???!!! Are they having a laugh. Now I hear that the 3 man panel is Bobby Robson, David Pleat and Howe. WTF is going on?

[Kingdom]

Maybe we should turn this thread into a poll? I don't think there is more than a handful on this thread who are in favour of his appointment.
Plus lets be honest we know certain sections of the media read this forum. A resounding 90 % anti- Venables would do wonders for his Paddy Power odds!

So mods can a poll be set up for a simple "Yes" or "No" asking whether we want Venables or not please?

[shakermaker1982]

Maybe we should turn this thread into a poll? I don't think there is more than a handful on this thread who are in favour of his appointment.
Plus lets be honest we know certain sections of the media read this forum. A resounding 90 % anti- Venables would do wonders for his Paddy Power odds!

So mods can a poll be set up for a simple "Yes" or "No" asking whether we want Venables or not please?

and hopefully it finds a way to the tabloids and the FAI. If they seriously believe Venables is a fans favourite then they are deluded.

[youngirish]

Can we start chain mailing the FAI to ensure they don't go down this route?