Terry Venables

[Drumcondra 69er]

see you all in tiblisi and sofia.
or then again maybe not eh !:cool:
i just hope i can get a leprechaun suit that fits me.

What's a placid casual anyway? Someone who's prepared to spend €500 on a manky Stone Island top but doesn't want to risk ruining it by fighting in it? :confused:

[placid casual]

jeez you are all very touchy .:D

I fully intend going to tiblisi and sofia thats all. cant wait as they should be good trips.hope to see some of you there is all .

bozo- placid casual is/was the record label of super furry animals ,a band who i am a huge fan of . if you need any further explnation on the word placid then god help the education sytem round drumcondra way.

[Noelys Guitar]

see you all in tiblisi and sofia.
or then again maybe not eh !:cool:
i just hope i can get a leprechaun suit that fits me.

I am going to dress up in my Leprechaun suit with giant inflatable yellow banana in tow and head straight down to my local to watch the matches. Barstool is the new cool.

[Drumcondra 69er]

jeez you are all very touchy .:D

I fully intend going to tiblisi and sofia thats all. cant wait as they should be good trips.hope to see some of you there is all .

bozo- placid casual is/was the record label of super furry animals ,a band who i am a huge fan of . if you need any further explnation on the word placid then god help the education sytem round drumcondra way.

Bozo? :D:D I know the record label, the name of which in itself is a play on the late 80' term Acid Casual (coined around the time of some elements of the Casual movement and Acid House interlinking and which also happens to be the name of an act who've released on the label). Quite like the Super Furries myself. And I would have thought that it was obvious that I understand what placid means by reading the original post.

Nice to see your humour by pass has taken sucessfully.

[tetsujin1979]

From Don Howe's column in the telegraph on Capello's appointment as England manager: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/12/13/sfntac113.xml

Capello will need to hit the ground running and I hope he makes Terry Venables his assistant. He has the knowledge of the English game missing from Capello's otherwise impressive CV

On the one hand - whu-hooooo!! He wants Venables to assist England. Again.
On the other hand - d'oh! He definitely rates Venables as a coach.

[Superhoops]

Dont know if anyone read Don Howe's article in yesterday's Daily Telegraph about the appointment of Capello here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/12/13/sfntac113.xml) but the last paragraph is strange given his involvement in the gang of three: :confused:

Capello will need to hit the ground running and I hope he makes Terry Venables his assistant. He has the knowledge of the English game missing from Capello's otherwise impressive CV.

I hope he's right :D

Interesting comments from England fans below the article about Howe's suggestion. Seems they don't want TV either!

[OwlsFan]

It is strange that since Vegetables is such a "great coach" that England decided they didn't want to rehire him for the vacant English position :rolleyes: I think there is a lesson there for us all. The English, with their far greater resources than us, didn't want the man. Why should we?

[RogerMilla]

how can don howe comment in the press about the english appointment when he is curretnly employed by the FAI and venables is a candidate for the FAI post ??

thsi is ridiculous , the committee has already proved itself to be a sham.

Although he has obviously given away that Venables is not in the running , lay lay lay

[Deckydee]

I love such things as:

"he didn't have to qualify for euro96 as England were the hosts. Glorified for the 4-1 against Holland but achieved little else"

"a good article until the last bit, venables as an assistant"

[macdermesser]

how can don howe comment in the press about the english appointment when he is curretnly employed by the FAI and venables is a candidate for the FAI post ??

thsi is ridiculous , the committee has already proved itself to be a sham.

Although he has obviously given away that Venables is not in the running , lay lay lay

Or that he rates him as a coach ..

[Superhoops]

Or that he rates him as a coach ..

Mabye Don Howe in his dotage though he had been hired to advise on the appointment of the England team manager :D

[Ireland4ever]

how can don howe comment in the press about the english appointment when he is curretnly employed by the FAI and venables is a candidate for the FAI post ??

thsi is ridiculous , the committee has already proved itself to be a sham.

Although he has obviously given away that Venables is not in the running , lay lay lay

Over-reacting there a slight bit! The mans allowed to give his opinion.

[Newryrep]

I very much doubt Capello would want TV any where near his set up which should be our attitude as well.

The fact that Howe is suggesting TV would suggest that either

a. he is out of the running for the Ireland job
b. he is a good coach and he should go to England before Ireland
c. Howe is completely out of touch with the modern game

Take your pick

[jbyrne]

as long as venebles doesnt come near us whatever howe says is fine by me

[Superhoops]

I very much doubt Capello would want TV any where near his set up which should be our attitude as well.

The fact that Howe is suggesting TV would suggest that either

a. he is out of the running for the Ireland job
b. he is a good coach and he should go to England before Ireland
c. Howe is completely out of touch with the modern game

Take your pick

a. and c. sound good

[CJTheGull]

Agree. Don't want Venables anywhere near the Irish team. He seems like a well dodgy person and I seriously think we would be selling ourselves well short if we opted for him. Hodgson or Houiller are fine with me but obviously that's for bigger and more important people to decide :(

Does anyone know what the story is with the 2 friendlies v Brazil and Serbia - persume they will be sold as one package to maximise attendance???

[Stuttgart88]

I think most but not all on foot.ie are extremely concerned about the prospect of Venables becoming next manager of Ireland.

However, is it "no at all costs", or "no, but maybe if we can't get anyone better"?

My personal opinion is that on all objective counts Venables would probably have the best CV and track record of any manager we've ever had - and that's even after conceding that I think his record doesn't stand up to proper scrutiny. On that basis I think he could do a decent job.

However, against that, I'm disgusted by the way the media has set him up as the dream candidate, as if he's the answer to all our problems, and also the way they portray inane comments from past or present internationals as ringing endorsements. His track record is patchy and this was only publicised belatedly by the emergence of an anti-Venables camp. I think he'd be the choice of people who don't really care and who wouldn't give it much more than a minute's thought - mainly only because he's famous. There are better candidates out there. Not a huge amount if we're to be realistic, but maybe 4-5.

If I was to be objective I'd have to admit that he should be a "maybe, if we can't find anyone better" but in light of what's gone on since Staunton was appointed I really feel that it's "no, at all costs" for me.

[Stuttgart88]

The English, with their far greater resources than us, didn't want the man. Why should we?eh, because we don't have their resources?

[back of the net]

its not about whether do/dont want venables as ireland manager - id be more worried that one of the so called professionals on our so called professional selection committee is recommending one of the main contenders for the position for another job


its a joke --- howe is a clown and the committee is a farce

[RogerMilla]

Over-reacting there a slight bit! The mans allowed to give his opinion.

no i'm not over-reacting , he is in the FAI's employ and shouldnt be giving an opinion on something which directly impinges on his task for them!


its not about whether do/dont want venables as ireland manager - id be more worried that one of the so called professionals on our so called professional selection committee is recommending one of the main contenders for the position for another job

its a joke --- howe is a clown and the committee is a farce

agreed , but far from surprised .

[Ireland4ever]

no i'm not over-reacting , he is in the FAI's employ and shouldnt be giving an opinion on something which directly impinges on his task for them!



agreed , but far from surprised .

If El TEL is in one of the contenders for the Irish job then yes it is a bit of a joke, but Howes comments would suggest otherwise surely.

[RogerMilla]

If El TEL is in one of the contenders for the Irish job then yes it is a bit of a joke, but Howes comments would suggest otherwise surely.

yeah it deffo suggests otherwise, as i said it could be worth a lay on betfair

[KildareFan]

Does anybody know if Howe is actually being paid by the FAI or is he just there in some sort of advisory role?

[OwlsFan]

Are you rejecting him because of the media campaign for him or because he's not the man for the job or both? I am not bothered about the media campaign. There was a large campaign against Jack's appointment but that soon withered away (where are you now Con Houlihan?).

I am against the appointment because I honestly think his best days (such as they were) are behind him, he sees our position as a nice sinecure and there are better (eg Hodgson) out there.

That said, if he is appointed, it could be worse because he's not a novice, has experience and would probably be respected by the players.

[Stuttgart88]

I am against the appointment because I honestly think his best days (such as they were) are behind him, he sees our position as a nice sinecure and there are better (eg Hodgson) out there.

That said, if he is appointed, it could be worse because he's not a novice, has experience and would probably be respected by the players.
I was trying to say above that that's how I would feel if I could think about it objectively (i.e., I don't want him, there are better candidates but we could do worse - and have done frequently). However, the media campaign and other factors mean I can't think about it objectively - I dislike him intensely and I hate the media campaign and the lack of thought. These subjective matters dominate the objective view that he might be ok.

[sparkey]

I very much doubt Capello would want TV any where near his set up which should be our attitude as well.

The fact that Howe is suggesting TV would suggest that either

a. he is out of the running for the Ireland job
b. he is a good coach and he should go to England before Ireland
c. Howe is completely out of touch with the modern game

Take your pick

Or Howe thinks that being assistant manager at England is a bigger job than being manager with us:(

[John83]

a. and c. sound good
c. sounds really bad given he's going to have a hand in the choice of the next Ireland manager.

[geysir]

I was trying to say above that that's how I would feel if I could think about it objectively (i.e., I don't want him, there are better candidates but we could do worse - and have done frequently). However, the media campaign and other factors mean I can't think about it objectively - I dislike him intensely and I hate the media campaign and the lack of thought. These subjective matters dominate the objective view that he might be ok.
Sometimes it´s hard to play past the man :)

[Noelys Guitar]

This 3-man committee nonsense should be immediately disbanded. FAI shambles number 194. Howe is going through the motions in regards to selecting our manager. The FAI ahve to approach the best man for the job. If he declines then go onto the next best candidate.

[Superhoops]

From Don Howe's column in the telegraph on Capello's appointment as England manager: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/12/13/sfntac113.xml


On the one hand - whu-hooooo!! He wants Venables to assist England. Again.
On the other hand - d'oh! He definitely rates Venables as a coach.

Tets, only just came across this. I had started another thread on this same subject without realising you had already raised it here, sorry :o.

I haven't look at this thread for a while as I only get depressed reading about TV.

[Stuttgart88]

Howe says that Venables has the knowledge of the English game necessary to complement Capello's knowledge of the game as played in Italy and Spain.

Is such English-specific knowledge required in our context? Yes, all our players play in Britain but all our candidates are either English, brought up in the English system or at least with a very good knowledge of it (Jol, Houllier, Haan to a much lesser extent).

I hope Shearer gets the job as Capello's token Englishman. Capello will be banging on about keeping the ball, being patient, drawing the defender, switching the play etc. and Shearer'll be on the sideline shouting "down the channels, get in amonst 'em!"

[tetsujin1979]

Tets, only just came across this. I had started another thread on this same subject without realising you had already raised it here, sorry :o.

I haven't look at this thread for a while as I only get depressed reading about TV.

No problem. I get depressed reading some of the other threads here lately.

[irishfan86]

Bulgaria have apparently contacted TV:


The Bulgarian Football Union has revealed that it has approached Terry Venables about becoming the next manager national manager.

Venables has been named on a seven-man shortlist, as the BFU look for Hristo Stoichkov's permanent successor.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12010_2974340,00.html

[Stuttgart88]

If there is anyone from the Bulgarian FA reading, Venables is a great coach, a top guy with undoubted commitment to the job and just look at how well England did in Euro '96. McLaren as a muppet, undoing all of Venables' undoubted good work with England recently. Players like him too. Respected journalists, guys I've always admired like Paul Hyland and Dion Fanning rave about him and who am I to argue with football brains of this calibre?

[Stuttgart88]

Who are the other 6 candidates? :)

[Superhoops]

Howe says that Venables has the knowledge of the English game necessary to complement Capello's knowledge of the game as played in Italy and Spain.

Is such English-specific knowledge required in our context? Yes, all our players play in Britain but all our candidates are either English, brought up in the English system or at least with a very good knowledge of it (Jol, Houllier, Haan to a much lesser extent).

I hope Shearer gets the job as Capello's token Englishman. Capello will be banging on about keeping the ball, being patient, drawing the defender, switching the play etc. and Shearer'll be on the sideline shouting "down the channels, get in amonst 'em!"

Shearer's Geordie accent should compliment Capello's Italian twang perfectly. England players will be more confused than ever. Yi-Ha :D

[irishfan86]

Who are the other 6 candidates? :)

-Former Bulgaria coach Plamen Markov

-Macedonia coach Srecko Katanec

4 others whose names are not being disclosed

[Philly]

According to Mark Lawrenson on the Premier League programme on Today FM Terry Venables has been offered the Ireland job. He says he has it 'on very good authority'. He also said that Venables is considering the offer over the next few days as he has other options to consider.

Wonder what the other options are. Perhaps he's being offered some role with England?

[brine3]

He's been offered the Bulgaria job too.

Manage Bulgria Terry, you know it's right.

[Philly]

I'd say he will go for Ireland over Bulgaria.

[shakermaker1982]

I'd say he will go for Ireland over Bulgaria.

I hope your wrong :D

at least it's not O'Leary.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Lawrenson just been on today FM saying a very reliable source of his has told him that Venables has been offered the Ireland job and is currently considering it. Apparently he has other options.

For the love of God NOOOOOOOO!!

[osarusan]

This was in the Graeme Souness thread-
Souness to be interviewed next week according to the Times.

Graeme Souness, the former Newcastle United manager, is to hold discussions next week about Ireland’s managerial vacancy. He will meet a three-man “headhunting” panel - Don Givens, Don Howe and Ray Houghton – appointed by the Football Association of Ireland to find a successor to Steve Staunton. Souness, who has also managed Liverpool, Benfica and Blackburn Rovers, has been a media pundit since leaving St James’ Park in February last year. Terry Venables is also among the candidates.

Bit of a contradiction. Telling one story to The Times, while doing another. I mean, no professionally run organisati............ah. the FAI. Never mind.

[Torn-Ado]

I hope your wrong :D

at least it's not O'Leary.

I'd take O Leary anyday before Venables.

[NeilMcD]

I would not trust Lawrenson on this.

[Mayo_Bhoy]

This was in the Graeme Souness thread-

Bit of a contradiction. Telling one story to The Times, while doing another. I mean, no professionally run organisati............ah. the FAI. Never mind.

Why are you having a dig at the FAI over a report in the Times?:confused:

[NeilMcD]

Surely the FAI should be judged on facts rather than one report in the Times being contradicted by one report by an ex player who is not withing the process who has a reputation for talking ****e.

[Stuttgart88]

If it's true the whole "selection process" is a farce and a deceipt of the highest order. The fans and the public will have been treated like idiots.

I've no doubt he'll be interviewed. Ray Houghton's involvement gives me a degree of faith that a proper process is being followed and that, as Delaney says, the 3 man team will decide on the manager and the FAI will ratify it.

Lawrenson can't lose. Venables probably will get the job and if he doesn't he can always hide behind Venables "turning it down" regardless of what actually happens.

[eekers]

lawenson is talking through his arse here. the panel haven't even interviewed venables yet. they are though set to interview him in the next few days.

a few weeks ago lawenson's mate cascarino on today fm said delaney was meeting a candidate to offer him a job in a london hotel. this turned out to be delaney meeting with townsend to ask him about criteria for the new manager.

[amaccann]

At this stage, I'm so fed up with the gossip & nonsense spouted by people in the public eye that I think the fans' best tactic is to sit this one out. For once I believe the FAI when they say they haven't spoken to Venables.