Champions League thread [Archive] - Page 5

Sam_Heggy

03/04/2008, 11:18 AM

I thought Skrtel was superb for Liverpool last night, Masherano and Kuyt were the only other 2 worth mentioning for Liverpool imo. I thought Adebayor caused most problem for 'pool, pure power and Hyppia couldn't cope.
Hleb and Fabergas are shadows of the players they were earlier in the season. Gallas was good but didn't seem to want the ball and his headless running froward could have cost Arsenal, had Liverpool took their chances in the final few minutes.
Benitez should have brought on Crouch too, the one player that always causes Arsenal problems and an ideal out let for Liverpool when they were under pressure.

joeSoap

03/04/2008, 11:40 AM

Manchester United have got to be the favourites now, and rightly so. They have the best squad, individuals and manager of all sides remaining, and they deserve the favourites tag.

Liverpool have a clueless manager, lack depth, individual flair and are very dodgy at the back.

Arsenal are too tired-plain and simple. The long season has taken its toll on the young boys who aren't mentally tough enough yet either. Wenger has to take some of the blame for not shopping in January.

Chelsea-Who knows?

Barcelona have the ability to win it, but their big game men aren't firing. Henry, Ronaldinho, Messi, Eto'o....and they have proven that they need big players having big games.

United have too much talent all over the park, and on the bench to not win this competition.

Superhoops

03/04/2008, 12:10 PM

....... why don't they try play football rather than constantly trying to contain the opposition. I'm of the opinion that they can play only Benitez won't let them.

CL knock out stage is not about playing football and entertaining the audience it is about getting the result by whatever means. If Liverpool advance to semis no one at Liverpool with give a f*ck about trying to play football.

Donegalred

03/04/2008, 12:23 PM

Couldn't believe he brought on Voronin alright. He looked unbelievably unfit and as a sharp as a spoon....

Roadend

03/04/2008, 12:37 PM

Liverpool have a clueless manager, lack depth, individual flair and are very dodgy at the back.

Indeed, 2 finals in 3 years and 1 win, the man shouldn't be let next or near a football team in the CL.

Block G Raptor

03/04/2008, 12:52 PM

Liverpool know how to work the CL. get something away and keep it tight over two legs and 99 times out 100 you'll go through. Thought Skrtel was class last night too.
interesting possibility the semi's could see Liverpool return to Istanbul (where they won it in 2005) and should see Man Utd return to Barcelona (1999)

Reckon it's a Liverpool -v-Barca final myself. or at least I'm hoping it is. It's bad enough to swallow losing a Cl Final without losing to the Mancs and I'm sure they'll be praying it's Arsenal/Chelsea/Fenerbace for the same reason's

shakermaker1982

03/04/2008, 1:12 PM

I don't think I could bear Liverpool getting to another CL final. Watching them try and win the thing on penalties is not my cup of tea at all.

Roadend

03/04/2008, 1:19 PM

What do you suggest, draw straws instead?

NeilMcD

03/04/2008, 1:38 PM

Maybe we look for different things in a game so. :) I thought they passed it exceptionally. Their movement is class. A bit like Arsenal of last season, just couldn't score. Fantastic team to watch though imo.

THe game is about scoring goals though. No point in all foreplay and no penetration. Now to me the most effective way of winning a game is controlling the ball and the game but that is a means to an end not the end itself.

superfrank

03/04/2008, 2:34 PM

I was disgusted with how Chelsea threw the game away last night. They dominated the game for 65 minutes and then let Fenerbahce back in. Anelka should have come on at 1-1 instead of at 84 minutes. Now they have to dig in deep and beat them in the second leg.

shakermaker1982

03/04/2008, 2:51 PM

What do you suggest, draw straws instead?

it would be more fun than watching Liverpool lump it up to Torres :D.

shanman2

03/04/2008, 3:08 PM

CL knock out stage is not about playing football and entertaining the audience it is about getting the result by whatever means. If Liverpool advance to semis no one at Liverpool with give a f*ck about trying to play football.

You see I don't give a fcuk bout Liverpool either. They won't win any friend playing football like that. Carragher to Torres to Gerrard back to Torres. Don't think Carragher passed the ball once all night?
The days of lumping the ball up the pitch should have retired with the likes of Jack Charlton, Joe Kinnear etc..
If I were a Liverpool fan I'd be fairly annoyed that we spent good money on Babel, Torres, Alonso, Mascherano and Kuyt etc and still not play ball

NeilMcD

03/04/2008, 3:11 PM

Liverpool are like watching paint dry they really are truly a disgrace to watch at times.

shanman2

03/04/2008, 3:13 PM

Liverpool are like watching paint dry they really are truly a disgrace to watch at times.

Here here
Exactly my thoughts.

NeilMcD

03/04/2008, 3:15 PM

Sligo Hornet

03/04/2008, 3:16 PM

Liverpool are like watching paint dry they really are truly a disgrace to watch at times.

...Try watching my team!:o:o

shanman2

03/04/2008, 3:18 PM

See the key is that people who support teams by proxy really dont care about what style of football their teams play as its all about bragging rights with there mates down the pub etc. However if they were going week in week out they would be pretty ****ed off by long ball football every week.

Precisely! I can't ever imagine going to a Barca game and approaching the game like that.
I'm seriously worried if Benitez does get offered the job he could ruin us.
He played the same way at Valencia and apparently the Chairman wanted him to play attacking football he refused obviously.

reder

03/04/2008, 3:47 PM

Liverpool are like watching paint dry they really are truly a disgrace to watch at times.

Says the wannabe Evertonian. Looking at that comment we must be doing fine!

Once again the team put in a solid away performance in the CL and came away from a tough fixture with a positive result when it counted.

Why dont you just sit back in the corner with the rest of your blue comrades and concentrate on beating Derby and holding onto your European place. I hear half you lot have f'ed off and are not gonna bother turning up at games for the rest of the season.

NeilMcD

03/04/2008, 3:49 PM

Says the wannabe Evertonian. Looking at that comment we must be doing fine!

Once again the team put in a solid away performance in the CL and came away from a tough fixture with a positive result when it counted.

Why dont you just sit back in the corner with the rest of your blue comrades and concentrate on beating Derby and holding onto your European place. I hear half you lot have f'ed off and are not gonna bother turning up at games for the rest of the season.

Eh sorry, I am not sure but I have not connections whatsoever with Everton. I think youa re mixing me up with someone. I am just commenting as a neutral that Liverpool are really terrible to watch and to be honest Everton are worse.

Roadend

03/04/2008, 4:22 PM

You're a spurs man if I'm not mistaken

Roadend

03/04/2008, 4:24 PM

Precisely! I can't ever imagine going to a Barca game and approaching the game like that.
I'm seriously worried if Benitez does get offered the job he could ruin us.
He played the same way at Valencia and apparently the Chairman wanted him to play attacking football he refused obviously.

His Valencia side destroyed Liverpool in the CL playing free flowing football.

eirebhoy

03/04/2008, 4:29 PM

THe game is about scoring goals though.
Arsenal were regarded as the most attractive footballing team in England when they struggled to put the ball into the net though. Roma are a joy to watch, even when they struggle to score. :)

NeilMcD

03/04/2008, 4:33 PM

Yeah I would have a soft spot for Spurs but would not loose any sleep if they won or lost. Just like the way they play thats all.

NeilMcD

03/04/2008, 4:34 PM

Arsenal were regarded as the most attractive footballing team in England when they struggled to put the ball into the net though. Roma are a joy to watch, even when they struggle to score. :)

I know but as much as I admire Arsenal and Roma for the way they play the game is about scoring and winning and Barcelona two years ago reached those heights and Man Utd appear to be doing that this year.

Sam_Heggy

03/04/2008, 9:55 PM

Eh sorry, I am not sure but I have not connections whatsoever with Everton. I think youa re mixing me up with someone. I am just commenting as a neutral that Liverpool are really terrible to watch and to be honest Everton are worse.

Don't watch, I guarantee you if Bohs were playing like that week in, week out and winning then you wouldn't be complaining.

Closed Account 2

03/04/2008, 11:29 PM

I think Barca will beat Man Utd with ease, should they meet in the next round.

osarusan

04/04/2008, 1:42 AM

I think the point is that Liverpool fans are just happy about results, and don't care how they are achieved. This is completely natural, fans of every club will feel exactly the same about their club.

For those of us who aren't fans of a particular club left in the CL, we're just hoping to see good games, and teams who play attractive football. Liverpool, in my opinion, don't play as attractive football as some of the other teams, and so I'd like other teams to win the CL, rather than Liverpool.

mypost

04/04/2008, 4:00 AM

For those of us who aren't fans of a particular club left in the CL, we're just hoping to see good games, and teams who play attractive football. Liverpool, in my opinion, don't play as attractive football as some of the other teams, and so I'd like other teams to win the CL, rather than Liverpool.

We got a draw with an away goal. Do you think I care how it's got?? :confused: :rolleyes:

Last season we played attacking football against Arsenal and conceded 13 goals. This year, we've conceded 2. u*d, and Arsenal's recent CL records are further proof that free-flowing football gets you nowhere. Practical, or (as Trap would say,) "concreto" football does.

osarusan

04/04/2008, 4:36 AM

We got a draw with an away goal. Do you think I care how it's got?? :confused: :rolleyes:

Last season we played attacking football against Arsenal and conceded 13 goals. This year, we've conceded 2. u*d, and Arsenal's recent CL records are further proof that free-flowing football gets you nowhere. Practical, or (as Trap would say,) "concreto" football does.

Read the first paragraph of my post. You quoted the second paragraph, so you must have read the post. To refresh your memory, here it is -

I think the point is that Liverpool fans are just happy about results, and don't care how they are achieved. This is completely natural, fans of every club will feel exactly the same about their club.
no need for the confusion of the throwing your eyes up to heaven through smilies.

shakermaker1982

04/04/2008, 7:10 AM

aren't Liverpool fans touchy.....

reder

04/04/2008, 7:57 AM

Just like the way they play thats all.

What, shipping 4 goals against a p1ss poor Newcastle side?

Professional football is about winning, nothing more nothing less. 20 years ago, we played wonderful passing football. Nobody remembers that now.

The mancs always seem to bottle Europe. I know a few mancs who are convinced that they will bottle it this year like previous years. Barca in the semi are prime candidates to take them imo.

Roadend

04/04/2008, 8:00 AM

Barca in the semi are prime candidates to take them imo.

Based on recent form Utd look dead certs to beat them.

shakermaker1982

04/04/2008, 8:18 AM

lionelhutz

04/04/2008, 11:25 AM

The Scousers always seem to bottle it in the League.

They don't really get the opportunity to "bottle it" in the league since they are out of the running by Christmas every year. For example, would you say Everton bottled the league this year?

As for Liverpool in the CL, i think the majority of Lpool fans would prioritise the league before the CL since they havent won it in so long. Which is a bit funny cause Man Utd and Chelsea would both prioritise the CL

shakermaker1982

04/04/2008, 12:43 PM

They don't really get the opportunity to "bottle it" in the league since they are out of the running by Christmas every year. For example, would you say Everton bottled the league this year?

As for Liverpool in the CL, i think the majority of Lpool fans would prioritise the league before the CL since they havent won it in so long. Which is a bit funny cause Man Utd and Chelsea would both prioritise the CL

Everton are not expected to win the PL. Liverpool are supposedly one of the 'big 4'. Liverpool splashed x million pounds on expensive reinforcements this season and were touted by fans and pundits alike as a dangerous title rival to Man Utd and Chelsea.

I don't think Man Utd bottled their semi final against AC Milan last season. 1: They were beaten by a better team 2) They had a lot of injuries with key players missing.

Roadend

04/04/2008, 12:59 PM

They totally bottled it

reder

04/04/2008, 1:27 PM

The Scousers always seem to bottle it in the League.

This thread is about the CL!

Marked Man

04/04/2008, 1:38 PM

Milan were head and shoulders the best side in CL last year; there was no bottling about anyone's losing to them.

Roadend

04/04/2008, 1:51 PM

Milan were head and shoulders the best side in CL last year; there was no bottling about anyone's losing to them.
Oh right ya, they squeezed past Celtic 1-0 over two legs winning at home after extra time against a team with one of the worst away records in the CL then get by a Bayern team who by their own admission needed a massive overhaul and failed to get CL football through their domestic league for 07/08 such was their form. Ya, you're spot on alright. :rolleyes:

shakermaker1982

04/04/2008, 2:08 PM

Oh right ya, they squeezed past Celtic 1-0 over two legs winning at home after extra time against a team with one of the worst away records in the CL then get by a Bayern team who by their own admission needed a massive overhaul and failed to get CL football through their domestic league for 07/08 such was their form. Ya, you're spot on alright. :rolleyes:

If Milan were that poor/lucky/there for the taking then why didn't Liverpool beat them in the final?

Marked Man

04/04/2008, 2:10 PM

Oh I see. They didn't beat anyone good, but somehow poxed into winning the thing outright.

Did you actually watch them play last year?

reder

04/04/2008, 2:43 PM

Oh I see. They didn't beat anyone good, but somehow poxed into winning the thing outright.

Did you actually watch them play last year?

Well in 2005, Liverpool were muck according to many but "somehow poxed into winning the thing outright". So if Liverpool could play poorly and battle through and get the job done why couldnt Milan have done the same last year?

Roadend

04/04/2008, 3:17 PM

Oh I see. They didn't beat anyone good, but somehow poxed into winning the thing outright.

Sonuds amazingly similar to what was said by all and sundry after the 2005 cl final.

Marked Man

04/04/2008, 3:43 PM

Put it this way: I'm surprised anyone could have watched Milan last year, without thinking they were an excellent side.

But if you did, I won't try to convince you otherwise.

Block G Raptor

04/04/2008, 4:11 PM

I hate the way man utd fans love to berate Liverpool fans over not winning the Premiership in 18 years. what they tend to forget is they went 26 years without winning the thing. Plus I bet they'd swap all those magnificent Premier trophies for LFC's 5 Big ones any time. Liverpool FC is all about the European Cup we won leagues for fun when it was necessary to win it to qualify for the European Cup now Fourth place is good enough to get in without killing ourselves. That's all the league was and is.... the only way into the real competition. I really don't know where the Idea that Liverpool fans want the Premiership more than the European Cup came from IMO that's tabloid tripe.Give me old big ears over the Premiership every time

NeilMcD

05/04/2008, 1:36 PM

Don't watch, I guarantee you if Bohs were playing like that week in, week out and winning then you wouldn't be complaining.

Yeah I would, I want my football entertaining and successful simple as that. I believe the best way to win is to play good entertaining football. Esp at the highest level.

NeilMcD

05/04/2008, 1:40 PM

What, shipping 4 goals against a p1ss poor Newcastle side?

Professional football is about winning, nothing more nothing less. 20 years ago, we played wonderful passing football. Nobody remembers that now.

The mancs always seem to bottle Europe. I know a few mancs who are convinced that they will bottle it this year like previous years. Barca in the semi are prime candidates to take them imo.

ha ha you are priceless. First you have a go at me for being an Everton fan not sure where that came from. As I said, I don't really care about Spurs too much but I would love to be a season ticket holder at White Hart Lane. Over 100 goals there, great stuff in my view. Some weeks they lose some weeks they win, true entertainment, better than borefests week in week out in my view.

What has mancs go to do with anything. Get out of your petty little rivalries and try to see the bigger picture here. Its the entertainment industry

I love the way when I made a comment about how Liverpool are boring to watch, a lot of Liverpool fans get so touchy. If you are so confident and so happy about the way Benitez is managing them why are you so touch. I reckon its the fact most Liverpool fans actually know what good football is as they saw it before and they are afraid to admit that they are not actually happy about how they are playing now. It must kill them that Man Utd have won leagues playing great football whereas Liverpool have came 3rd and 4th playing boring defensive football the last 10 years.

gustavo

05/04/2008, 2:02 PM

Plus I bet they'd swap all those magnificent Premier trophies for LFC's 5 Big ones any time.

I doubt it

superfrank

06/04/2008, 11:26 AM

Liverpool FC is all about the European Cup we won leagues for fun when it was necessary to win it to qualify for the European Cup now Fourth place is good enough to get in without killing ourselves. That's all the league was and is.... the only way into the real competition. I really don't know where the Idea that Liverpool fans want the Premiership more than the European Cup came from IMO that's tabloid tripe.Give me old big ears over the Premiership every time
I don't think so. What's better: Winning a trophy by beating 8 (in Liverpool's case) of the best teams in Europe or beating 19 of the best teams in your country, including plenty of your biggest rivals?