Anthony Stokes (F free agent b.1988) [Archive] - Page 4

Stuttgart88

29/10/2006, 8:33 AM

I'm sure we can all agree that at the very least, it's very encouraging.

It's one thing scoring a hat trick against Dundee Utd if you're in a team that, man for man, is better, like Nakamura's hat trick for Celtic, but Falkirk are hardly in that bracket.

Hopefully Cregg & O'Donnell will get more attention too.

eirebhoy

29/10/2006, 11:09 AM

He is not ready yet. Way behind Doyle and Keane. Scoring goals in second tier of SPL is a long way from international level.
What do you mean by second tier?

I'm off to watch Setanta, hopefully they haven't shown Falkirk yet..

geysir

29/10/2006, 11:09 AM

There is a good write up on Stokes (9/10) in the ST.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2427464,00.html

livehead1

29/10/2006, 2:53 PM

pointed out in that article, the author doesn't believe stokes has what it takes to cut it at Arsenal.

Irish_Praha

29/10/2006, 3:39 PM

pointed out in that article, the author doesn't believe stokes has what it takes to cut it at Arsenal.

Maybe it's a case of Aresnal having shuch an array of talented young strikers coming through rather than him not being a very good player.
If he doen't make it there I'm sure he will be good enough to make it at another decent club, but he's only 18 so we'll have to wait and see.

Merc67

29/10/2006, 3:42 PM

He is not ready yet. Way behind Doyle and Keane. Scoring goals in second tier of SPL is a long way from international level.

did you see how many SPL current or former players played int he world cup? nah, you clearly didnt:rolleyes:

Superhoops

29/10/2006, 3:59 PM

did you see how many SPL current or former players played int he world cup? nah, you clearly didnt:rolleyes:
How many who didnt play for Celtic of Rangers?

Olaf Thom

29/10/2006, 5:06 PM

How many who didnt play for Celtic of Rangers?

Falkirk had 2 at the World Cup - Densill Theobald and Russell Latapy. :rolleyes:

Stokes is a very decent player, don't think he has the pace or power to be a real superstar.

Donal81

29/10/2006, 6:21 PM

Anyone got a link to these goals?

hoops1

29/10/2006, 6:56 PM

Stokes is a very decent player, don't think he has the pace or power to be a real superstar.

Ye at 18 years of age he can forget about it hes finished:rolleyes:

Superhoops

29/10/2006, 8:15 PM

Falkirk had 2 at the World Cup - Densill Theobald and Russell Latapy. :rolleyes:
I think there were 11 SPL players at WC2006. There were 3 Celtic players (Boruc, Zurwski and Nakmura) and 3 Rangers players (Prso, Namuchi and Andrews), the other 5 played for Trinidad and Tobago, as did Andrews, hardly top drawer or world superstars.

Olaf Thom

29/10/2006, 9:41 PM

Ye at 18 years of age he can forget about it hes finished:rolleyes:

I cannot see him being a first teamer at Arsenal thats what I mean.

To make it at Arsenal, Chelsea or Man Utd as a striker, you need to be a superstar. I think he is excellent and is a possible premiership and international player - I just don't think he'll be the World Class striker you want him to be.

Soper

29/10/2006, 10:41 PM

Most EL players are Irish.Silly line of argument.

dr_peepee

30/10/2006, 6:53 AM

At the end of the day Arsenal have a wealth of forward talent at the club, excluding the few out on loan like Lupoli, so it wouldn't surprise me to see him have a bash elsewhere. I'd be content if he maintains his Premiership status if he has to leave Arsenal, like Jerome Thomas or David Bentley.... Rather than the Graham Barrett route!!

CraftyToePoke

30/10/2006, 4:55 PM

anyone else see the knowledgable crew on sky describe him as ''an englishman who used to play for arsenal'' when his third went in.:rolleyes:

Merc67

30/10/2006, 4:58 PM

from today..

JOHN Hughes wants Anthony Stokes to prolong his loan spell at Falkirk, insisting his goals can keep the club in the SPL.

The Bairns boss will open talks with Arsenal over the 18-year-old�s future next month and is hopeful of keeping the Irishman in Scotland.

The on loan Arsenal striker hit his first senior hat trick in Falkirk�s 5-1 win over Dundee Utd on Saturday and has forced Hughes to move to extend the deal that will keep him in Scotland until December 31.

Gunners youth coach Liam Brady recently guaranteed Stokes would play for Steve Staunton�s Ireland team at some stage and his six goals in six league games for Falkirk this season has pushed his name into the ring.

�The deal we�ve done is that come November, we have first option on him,� Hughes confirmed.

�If Arsenal are happy to have him stay up here we�ll be delighted to keep him.

�If he keeps doing what he�s doing he could be the 15-10 goals a season striker we need to keep us in the Premier League.�

geysir

31/10/2006, 9:42 AM

There's more in The Herald, 3 pages worth.
Brady expects...
http://www.theherald.co.uk/sport/73310.html

tetsujin1979

31/10/2006, 11:37 AM

According to NewsTalk last night someone has stuck 50 euros on him at 100-1 to be Ireland's all time top goalscorer!

Stuttgart88

01/11/2006, 9:22 AM

Stokes has already done better in the SPL for a poor team than Aliadiere did in the strongest team. Does this say anything?

Peadar

01/11/2006, 9:36 AM

Stokes has already done better in the SPL for a poor team than Aliadiere did in the strongest team. Does this say anything?

Might tell me that Stokes has been lucky enough not to suffer a serious knee ligament injury and a double hernia??? :confused:

Stuttgart88

01/11/2006, 9:38 AM

I saw Aliadiere live for Celtic and he was muck. Fast but careless & lazy. I know you and a couple of others here rated him a while back but I've never seen anything in him, though obviously one would trust Wenger's opinion over mine any day. I think I just don't like Aliadiere because he was direct competition to Graham Barrett a few years back!

Peadar

01/11/2006, 9:55 AM

I rated Aliadiere as having great potential.
At 23, he'd want to be delivering on that potential.
If he doesn't prove his worth this season, I'll duly concede that I got it wrong. My worry about Stokes is that he could have too many outside influences. Wenger tried to do with Stokes what he's doing with Walcott now. Play them on the wing, let them develop their dribbling skills and gain the confidence to take on defenders and beat them. Walcott jumped at the chance, Stokes complained that he was a forward, not a winger. He's on loan and Walcott is on the bench for almost every game.

Stuttgart88

01/11/2006, 10:02 AM

In fairness, Walcott is exceptional and actually best suited as a winger at the moment. Great feet and lightning fast, esp over short distances. I was at the Emirates on Saturday and I think if he'd been on for longer Arsenal would have won. He actually played as an attacking full back (nominally anyway) so he and Van Persie could double up on the RHS. I thought Walcott was outstanding. Thank God Sven kept him wrapped up in Germany!!

tetsujin1979

01/11/2006, 10:04 AM

Stokes has already done better in the SPL for a poor team than Aliadiere did in the strongest team. Does this say anything?

That Aliadiere moving to a club where he wouldn't be the first choice striker was a bad career move, while Stokes moving to a club below his ability, but where he would be first choice is a good one?
Didn't Aliadiere have 3 clubs last season - Celtic, West Ham and Wolves. Surely some sort of record?

Stuttgart88

01/11/2006, 10:12 AM

Peadar

01/11/2006, 10:16 AM

In fairness, Walcott is exceptional and actually best suited as a winger at the moment. Great feet and lightning fast, esp over short distances.

I agree with you on that but I think a player, who isn't blessed with such talent, should listen to the advice of a coach as gifted as Wenger. Stokes needs to realise how lucky he is to involved with a top European club and learn everything he can from one of the best coaches in the world.

By the way, Walcott played in that position on Saturday because Everton had no attacking options on the left.

tetsujin1979

01/11/2006, 10:22 AM

Did he do much at Wolves? Brendtner for example is doing very well at Brum. Personally I think there's some merit in making the comparison to how these players do / did at the same level. I think we need to see how this one pans out though.

Not a lot, and then he got injured.
Here's his soccerbase record: http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=28839
most of the Arsenal loanees are doing well - Larsson and Bendter at Birmingham, Gilbert at Cardiff, Lupoli at Derby and Reyes at Madrid.

Dr. Ogba

01/11/2006, 11:49 AM

That Aliadiere moving to a club where he wouldn't be the first choice striker was a bad career move, while Stokes moving to a club below his ability, but where he would be first choice is a good one?
Didn't Aliadiere have 3 clubs last season - Celtic, West Ham and Wolves. Surely some sort of record?

I think there's no question that Falkirk are a club below Stokes' ability but I think I read somewhere that the reason Stokes was sent there was to experience the rough and tumble physical side of first-team football?

tetsujin1979

01/11/2006, 12:09 PM

I think there's no question that Falkirk are a club below Stokes' ability but I think I read somewhere that the reason Stokes was sent there was to experience the rough and tumble physical side of first-team football?

That sounds familiar, could have been in the weekend's Independent, don't think I saw any other paper over the last few days

geysir

01/11/2006, 12:43 PM

I think there's no question that Falkirk are a club below Stokes' ability but I think I read somewhere that the reason Stokes was sent there was to experience the rough and tumble physical side of first-team football?
The Herald article outlines Brady's reasons for approving Stoke's loan to Falkirk, relationship having been established with the manager, "it's a good place for young players to go because Falkirk play the right kind of football. We have built up a trust now."

livehead1

01/11/2006, 1:51 PM

tetsujin1979

01/11/2006, 2:06 PM

Nah, sure didn't steve claridge have 3 in a month!

Aliadiere should have had 4 - I forgot to include Arsenal!!

geysir

01/11/2006, 2:47 PM

How long did he spend at Celtic? 2 days?
It hardly counts.

tetsujin1979

01/11/2006, 2:52 PM

Aliadi�re was at Celtic for just under 2 months - http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=28839
Although a lot of that time was preseason, he did play in several friendlies, and the 2 games against Artmedia Bratislava

eirebhoy

01/11/2006, 3:38 PM

Nah, sure didn't steve claridge have 3 in a month!
It wasn't one season but Stephen Kelly played in the 4 divisions in England with 4 different teams all in 2003.

geysir

01/11/2006, 4:10 PM

FootballsKing

02/11/2006, 1:23 PM

Stokes takes young player prize

Stokes has been in fine goal-scoring form for Falkirk
Falkirk striker Anthony Stokes has been named as the SPL's young player of the month for October.
The 18-year-old, on loan from Arsenal, scored six goals last month, including a hat-trick against Dundee United at the weekend.

The teenage forward hit a double the week before in a 3-2 defeat at Inverness and grabbed a late goal to secure a home draw against St Mirren.

Stokes has made eight appearances since moving to the Bairns in September.

Calcio Jack

02/11/2006, 2:14 PM

tetsujin1979

02/11/2006, 3:16 PM

I think I read recently that his dad had taken a position helping Irish youngsters to get trials in England, or to help them get settled in England, I'm not sure of the specifics

Calcio Jack

02/11/2006, 3:18 PM

I think I read recently that his dad had taken a position helping Irish youngsters to get trials in England, or to help them get settled in England, I'm not sure of the specifics

Who is he working for ?

tetsujin1979

02/11/2006, 3:25 PM

Who is he working for ?
sorry, I honestly can't remember
It was about 3 weeks ago, possibly in the times.

eirebhoy

02/11/2006, 3:53 PM

Have no doubt that Stokes is a quality player with excellent potential but having observed him from an early age or more importantly having observed his father on the sidelines I hope that some of the arrogance and plain bad attitude that was bred into him doesn't hold him back... wasn't surprised at there being "rumours" last season that the father thinks he should be played as a centre forward rather than as a winger... typical of the guy that he would think that he knows better than Wenger....
Watching him so far at Falkirk he reminds me a bit of Jimmy Hasselbaink in demanding to take set pieces and things like that. I suppose it means he's less likely to suffer from confidence and a bit of arrogance is good in a player.

Superhoops

02/11/2006, 5:57 PM

Who is he working for ?
His father, John, is a football consultant. He works in Ireland for the Stellar Group in the UK. See here (http://www.stellargroup.co.uk/personnel.php).
This is the group whose chairman is Jonathan Barnett, the agent who was suspended for 18 months for his part in the Ashley Cole tapping up affair.

tetsujin1979

03/11/2006, 8:09 AM

I've uploaded an interview with Stokes from last night on NewsTalk - get it here: http://rapidshare.com/files/1784652/Stokes_-_Interview.mp3.html
Sound quality is a bit iffy in places, I was recording it from the live stream.

FootballsKing

03/11/2006, 11:41 AM

Interesting stuff, much appreciated!!!! Theres a striking smack of confidence off the boy which i think is brilliant. His aim is to be top scorer in the SPL, which is great to hear from such a young lad

eirebhoy

04/11/2006, 2:10 PM

Stokes has just scored after a minute for Falkirk against Dunfermline. His 7th goal in 4 games with the whole match still to play.

eirebhoy

04/11/2006, 3:20 PM

And he's scored again! :eek: Currently top scorer in the SPL now.

Closed Account

04/11/2006, 3:29 PM

Is he on a season long loan? Or is it under review at Christmas? Think i'll go down and put a tenner on him as top scorer come May regardless.

eirebhoy

04/11/2006, 3:41 PM

0-3 Falkirk, guess who? :) 2nd hattrick in a row.

Paddy Garcia

04/11/2006, 3:44 PM

Just shows what confidence can do. His first few games were quiet & no goals scored. Three so far today.

I can't help feeling that both Jack and even Mick were well able to give a young player great confidence when making an early debut for Ireland. Even Kerr to an extent.

Don't believe Staunton can get near to instilling the same level of confidence in a young player.