Celtic Discussion

[ccfcman]

So that's their fault that they've outgrown their domestic league? It's a simple fact that if you're playing sh!te every week then you're going to struggle long term against better teams if you're not used to playing them.

They didnt up their game for the match as the should have, the eL teams did it for Europe so why can't Celtic?


Neil Lennon? While I'm not a huge fan, the facts are fairly simple......he's got a better pass completion rate than most midfielders in the Champions League (opto stats)

Watch Lennon carefully most of his passes tend to be returned straight back to the player who first passed the ball or to the 'keeper.

[inexile]

im as big a celtic fan as anyone but i cannot stand lennon anyone could do the job he does imho a dog with a mallet up his ar5e could roll the ball 5 yards left or right never passing it forward he doesnt score goals he doesnt make goals and he doesnt protect his defence too well as shown but 2 of the 3 goals conceded last night the first goal he was forever closing down the lad that had the shot and the 2nd goal he was given the runaround by his opposite number who played the striker straight in on goal

[fosterdollar]

wasn't '....Celtic are atrocious' how it went?

[drinkfeckarse]

They didnt up their game for the match as the should have, the eL teams did it for Europe so why can't Celtic?



Watch Lennon carefully most of his passes tend to be returned straight back to the player who first passed the ball or to the 'keeper.


You can't just turn it on like a switch. Celtic have consistently punched above their weight in Europe, they do raise their game all the time, I don't need to mention the teams they've beat recently and the teams they put out of the Uefa Cup.Unfortunately for Celtic though, most of their raised performances happen at Celtic Park, they can't seem to take it on their travels which can be said about a lot of teams.

While I don't want to take away from any of the great results by the EL teams in Europe, SOME of the results had as much to do with the fact that the other teams were in their pre-season and not half-way through a season like the EL teams IMO. I was delighted when City kept winning but in all honesty, I think if City were to play Nantes or Nijmegan now then the results might be different, seeing as they would be by now, match fit.

Final point about Lennon, it doesn't matter who or where you pass it too, as long as you keep possesion. He's not there to be a Zidane. Roy Keane does it, Gattuso does it, Lennon does it... that's why most managers would kill for players like these.

[Peterc]

Hopefully we wont have to watch them on TV anymore. There are other clubs from Britain in Europe who play more attractive football

[wws]

You can't just turn it on like a switch. Celtic have consistently punched above their weight in Europe, they do raise their game all the time, I don't need to mention the teams they've beat recently and the teams they put out of the Uefa Cup.Unfortunately for Celtic though, most of their raised performances happen at Celtic Park, they can't seem to take it on their travels which can be said about a lot of teams.
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except against us, we at saint pats are unbeaten against the saps in euro competition in Celtic Park. We even wore blue that night to inspire forward and lifelong ger Ian Gilzean!

[max power]

were celtic more of a european disgrace to ireland than longford ;) :p :D

[NY Hoop]

were celtic more of a european disgrace to ireland than longford ;) :p :D

Dont start!! Get that PM?

And davros obviously you know little about EL but any premier division side here could play in the SPL. Remember b**z beat aberdeen and even I laughed at that result :D

KOH

[max power]

ya got it, waiting for word back

[wws]

Like you'd even beat their reserves @ H........look fwd.to you drawing the H*ns.....that's If you ever get into Europe again ;)

PS.How do explain the St.Pats.C.S.C. :confused: ?Stick to sorting the highways!


well of course we've been to europe since than , twice in fact - I wouldnt expect you to know seen as your more into yellow pack british football than irelands finest- last time out we even won one more game than supposed breakthrough team of the el shels did this year - ie we won two! lol


facts are stranger than FICTION

[ccfcman]

Celtic have left a lot of fans down, the likes of Shaktar really should be dispatched!

[Macy]

As for the embittered EL constituency,they'll always be welcome @ the home of the Irish Diaspora.....shame they can't reciprocate!Hail Hail!
Chorlton Irish Club? Leeds Irish Centre? Or the many other Irish centre's around the world, never mind Britain? Why wouldn't they be welcome there :confused:

[NY Hoop]

Yeah,right.....Shels,Corks,Bohs.....the latter 2 a Big Maybe.....the rest,you know F.A.about the SPL......& even Cardiff could win the EL :D

Btw,apart from basing your theory on form of 5 yrs.ago,Who exactly did Shams.model their kit on.....& why,like Pats.is there a S.R.C.S.C. & have met various Rovers' fans over the years,v.keen to promote the links!

If I know F.A. about SPL it would be a lot more than you know about the EL. FYI the SPL is beamed live every weekend over here and I can make up my mind as to the standard and it IS on a level with here. And pal it's not based on 5 years ago.

Dont know who shams are but ROVERS kit inspiration was the famous Belfast Celtic.

Yeah there are Rovers fans who follow celtic as I'm sure there are Pats fans who do. So what?

KOH

[drinkfeckarse]

Celtic have left a lot of fans down, the likes of Shaktar really should be dispatched!

As a Celtic fan, I don't think they let me down :confused: I wasn't expecting much out there anyway, hopefull yes, but not expectant. I fully expect Celtic to beat them at home as per my argument earlier about raising their game, espeically at home.

The fact that Shaktar are bankrolled by a billionaire and spent £50m this year alone tells me that Celtic have not let the fans down even if the second half was very disappointing.

[Junior]

Unfortunately Celtic's strongest 11 is not strong enough at present to compete in the CL. When we lose 3 or 4 of these players and replace them with untried teenagers then we really are in trouble. I am not dillusional and can see this, however each time we go out to play I am optimistic that we can get something out of the game.

However, I am a realist. We play in a poor domestic league, which attracts poor levels of revenue from media and ensures we have great difficulty in attracting top class players to our club. This argument has been stated time and time again, but for the record playing Livingston or Dunfermline on the Saturday is not the ideal preparation for a Weds night game in the San Siro versus Milan.

I suppose if nothing else it gives some of the sad EL fans who frequent this site an opportunity to gloat.

Personally I hope Celtic and all EL sides can continue to progress in european competition - but unfortunately it just seems to be to uneven a playing field for that to happen.

[max power]

of course a negative post must be here so i think they are $hite :p

[Dublin12]

I like Celtic alot, but lets be honest here,last night they were a shambles and this season is one too many for this set of players in the CL

[A face]

I think everyone knows my view on Sell-Thick !! :D

[drinkfeckarse]

C'mon the hoops!!

[A face]

People ... stop making excuses FFS


Sell-Thick are being found out for what they really are !! I know that it ain't great now that the game is up and people are now getting a chance to smell the coffee and see them fpr what they really are.


In fairness ... you have to expect to land with a bump as you've been trying to fly this "oh we're such a great club, we've got more luck than a lucky bag" cráp all along. Come down out of the clouds before you hurt yourselves and realise that SPL is the league you play in.


But in fairness i suppose you'd have to blame some of the people who have been taken in with all this shíte aswell.

[Macy]

C'mon the hoops!!
Yeah, but we're not talking about Rovers - what about Celtic :D

[Colm]

Run....run...the beast has woken up....


:D :D :D :D

[drinkfeckarse]

People ... stop making excuses FFS


Sell-Thick are being found out for what they really are !! I know that it ain't great now that the game is up and people are now getting a chance to smell the coffee and see them fpr what they really are.
In fairness ... you have to expect to land with a bump as you've been trying to fly this "oh we're such a great club, we've got more luck than a lucky bag" cráp all along. Come down out of the clouds before you hurt yourselves and realise that SPL is the league you play in.
But in fairness i suppose you'd have to blame some of the people who have been taken in with all this shíte aswell.

Who's making excuses like?? The vast majority of Celtic fans I know have long realised that we have exceeded expectations and are aware that as long as Celtic are in a poor league like the SPL, then there is only so far you can go.

What do you mean by "taken in with all this sh!te"? Is there something wrong with supporting your team?

[Gary]

But in fairness i suppose you'd have to blame some of the people who have been taken in with all this shíte aswell.

I reckon fair play to GCFCs marketing guy for roping in so many 'fans'. Thats just good business.

I just dont understand these die hard celtic fans who wouldn't know a real live game of football if it bit them in the ass.

[drinkfeckarse]

I just dont understand these die hard celtic fans who wouldn't know a real live game of football if it bit them in the ass.

By that do you mean the "armchair fans"? Because every team has them. The fans that go and watch the games are no different than anyone else, they pay their money so what's the problem?

Do you think that by watching an EL game makes you any different to them??

[Gary]

It doesnt make me a better person, but i cant for the life of me understand how a person could have any affinity to a club with which they have no connection.

Like many people, I enjoy sitting down to watch a match, sometimes even head to the pub to do so, but it always make me laugh with sympathy to see grown men down the pub, wearing 'their' teams colours to watch a game.

As far as I see it, Celtic is a bandwagon- which Irish people are only too happy to jump on.

[green goblin]

I reckon fair play to GCFCs marketing guy for roping in so many 'fans'. Thats just good business.

I just dont understand these die hard celtic fans who wouldn't know a real live game of football if it bit them in the ass.

In an utterly apalling twist of fate, I was actually bitten on the ass the day after last summers Celtic vs Fulham friendly. :( I can fully vouch that the two experiences were quite different and there's no mistaking one for the other.

[NY Hoop]

Well you're certainly old enough and your maturity is :eek: :D

KOH

[dublinred]

What about the other Irish team in Europe last night , great result for the Paddyniathos against Arsenal.

[Schumi]

If the SPL is so sh*t,why dont Celtic leave it & join the EL.
Because they're Scottish. :D

Also they wouldn't be allowed a la Wimbledon.

[eoinh]

Who exactly did Shams.model their kit on.....

It wasnt celtic as celtic didnt play in hoops when they were formed.


My anger last night was that RTE showed that match. The champions league on and who do they show? Two crap teams who have no chance of winning the competition. Why didnt they show Inter v valencia which was obviously the match of the night.

As for the night before that giving us a liverpool team with no chance against ao ff form La Coruna. Surely the match to show was Juve V Bayern Munich. Nedved wont live forever and i want to see him as much as i can.

[Docboy]

Do any of you bitter EL boys realise that it is precisely your 'us and them' attitude that stops alot of people from wanting to go to a game at home. Smallminded people who in another era would be spouting IRA propaganda.Don't see the harm in wanting to support whoever ya like in whatever country,after all it is the people's game.

On the Celtic thing,MON has worked wonders given the resources and if any of you EL fans honestly think that youse could get to a UEFA final with that sort of backing:" :ball: Yer havin' a laff"

[eoinh]

On the Celtic thing,MON has worked wonders given the resources and if any of you EL fans honestly think that youse could get to a UEFA final with that sort of backing:" :ball: Yer havin' a laff"

There are planty in the last few years who have gotten that far or won the competition recently with less resources than Celtic of Glasgow

Feyenoord, Alaves and Salzberg are three that spring to mind.

[Superhoops]

People ... stop making excuses FFS
Sell-Thick are being found out for what they really are !! I know that it ain't great now that the game is up and people are now getting a chance to smell the coffee and see them fpr what they really are.

In fairness ... you have to expect to land with a bump as you've been trying to fly this "oh we're such a great club, we've got more luck than a lucky bag" cráp all along. Come down out of the clouds before you hurt yourselves and realise that SPL is the league you play in.

But in fairness i suppose you'd have to blame some of the people who have been taken in with all this shíte aswell.
I am worried! For the first time in my life I find myself agreeing with someone for Cork!

You have summed it all up perfectly! The best post I have read since joining.

[thecorner]

i'll be totally honest here and say i used always checked celtics results................but i even forgot about the game last night.
they are sh!t club going nowhere and thats thanx to mr.desmond

in a real world it would take at least 10 million to replace larrsson...............but they get camara on loan

mr.desmond puts on the poor mouth constanly

champions league the last couple of years,uefa cup run to the final, 60,000+ at parkead(celtic pk) every 2nd week and they are broke

my b0llox

he has a fortune amassed thanx to thick ignorant irsh people that think celtic are irish


get a life

i got out in time ;)

[drinkfeckarse]

It doesnt make me a better person, but i cant for the life of me understand how a person could have any affinity to a club with which they have no connection.



So what about the vast majority of Irish people that support e.g. Liverpool or Man Utd? Are they all mad too for supporting a team that they have no affinity with?

If anything it's understandable that so many Irish people support Celtic, the first thing that drew me to them was whenever I saw them on telly when I was young, I always saw loads of Irish flags at the games. That is naturally going to please any young Irish man who loves their country. You don't see too many of them flying about in the Premiership so what draws people to support them?

I personally don't give a sh!te about the argument about whether they are an "Irish" or "Scottish" club, all I know is that any club that celebrates it's links to Ireland is ok in my book.

If that makes people think that I jumped on the proverbial "bandwagon", then look a bit closer to home and ask yourself why you support some Premiership team on the side.

[Plastic Paddy]

Superb post dfa. I couldn't have put it more succinctly myself, so I'll not bother trying. :D

:) PP

[Duncan Gardner]

Cellic just Can't get out of their CL group(This season,incidentally being one of the hardest,IMO!) ;)


I doubt Barcelona or Milan would see the other two teams in the group as particularly strong. Not having a go at Celtic here, just looking at who they've brought in. Henri Camara from Wolves is hardly a big Euro star, is he?

[Plastic Paddy]

I doubt Barcelona or Milan would see the other two teams in the group as particularly strong. Not having a go at Celtic here, just looking at who they've brought in. Henri Camara from Wolves is hardly a big Euro star, is he?

Well, apart from the fact that he's African, I'll take your point. ;)

I'm under no illusions where Celtic are concerned, btw. By failing to invest properly in the playing squad of the club, the board have overseen a step back in footballing terms. Our squad is paper-thin and Wednesday night showed just how thin.

:( PP

[sylvo]

As usual, a thread on Celtic turning into an argument, never. :D

[Princess Leia]

This argument about Celtic is ridiculous. I have a soft spot for FC Barcelona - I'm not Spanish (sorry, Catalunyan). So what if Celtic play in Scotland? So what if Celtic have a huge following of Irish supporters! Does it really matter? What's wrong with you all!!!

Why don't we do the club or country argument next - just to change the tune a bit!

[Gary]

I personally don't give a sh!te about the argument about whether they are an "Irish" or "Scottish" club, all I know is that any club that celebrates it's links to Ireland is ok in my book.

The only ones 'celebrating' Celtics 'Irishness' are misguided Irish people who think that GCFC give a fúck. All they care about os the money that you blindly spend on a flawed product.



If that makes people think that I jumped on the proverbial "bandwagon", then look a bit closer to home and ask yourself why you support some Premiership team on the side.

I dont support some premiership team on the side. I watch a few games here and there.

[NY Hoop]

Agreed,very much!
Bring on My ideal CL final;St.James Gate v.The Celtic Football Club...... :rolleyes: never happen mind.......Cellic just Can't get out of their CL group(This season,incidentally being one of the hardest,IMO!) ;)

Love it if was Shels.....have no time for them,but even the bitter muppets on here would be speechless..... :rolleyes: have time to reacquaint themselves,with the Struggles of the Diaspora!

Bit tired to be honest of your patronising attitude. When I mentioned our teams playing in the SPL obviously I didnt mean playing on the same level as the Old Firm. The fact that this has to be pointed out to you sums you up. Also you and docboy love calling us, the real fans, bitter.

If you want to call us "bitter muppets" for supporting real Irish teams instead of english ones so be it. You claim we are ignorant and need to learn our own history. I am fully aware of Irish culture outside Ireland and I dont need to read any book to clarify this. I'm well travelled and have lived abroad. Lost count of the Irish abroad who did nothing but slag off anything and everything Irish. Sound familiar?

Let me make it real clear what a real fan is. For somebody in THIS country it is supporting your local team FIRST. IF somebody wants to follow the fortunes of manure, celtic or whatever AFTER that fine.

But I cant understand how "fans" here, and these are the real muppets, who refuse to support an Irish team and yet spend a lot of sterling "supporting" an english team. Witness an english team coming over playing an Irish one and the Irish team getting booed onto the field by these wannabee english ****s. Witness these same MUPPETS foaming at the mouth when the english national team are playing. Best of the lot is when you point out the hypocrisy :eek:

Might I suggest you take your head out of the clouds or your arse, come home and take a game in without the chip on your shoulder.

KOH

[Junior]

i'll be totally honest here and say i used always checked celtics results................but i even forgot about the game last night.
they are sh!t club going nowhere and thats thanx to mr.desmond

in a real world it would take at least 10 million to replace larrsson...............but they get camara on loan

mr.desmond puts on the poor mouth constanly

champions league the last couple of years,uefa cup run to the final, 60,000+ at parkead(celtic pk) every 2nd week and they are broke

my b0llox

he has a fortune amassed thanx to thick ignorant irsh people that think celtic are irish


get a life

i got out in time ;)

what a wonderfully balanced and informative assessment of Celtics financial situation and indeed that of Scottish football.

I really would be ignorant on these things if it wasn't for foot.ie

bravo - keep it up.

[Junior]

Let me make it real clear what a real fan is. For somebody in THIS country it is supporting your local team FIRST. IF somebody wants to follow the fortunes of manure, celtic or whatever AFTER that fine.

KOH


hahahah the old 'Real fan' argument. Once again an EL fan enlightens me as to what a REAL fan is, oh what would we do without you.

[drinkfeckarse]

The only ones 'celebrating' Celtics 'Irishness' are misguided Irish people who think that GCFC give a fúck. All they care about os the money that you blindly spend on a flawed product.


Every club sells a product and it's up to the public to buy it. What about the merchandising machine that is Manchester United?
Cork City sell a product whether you accept it or not. The "Rebel Army" is rolling so to speak, encouraging fans to come along and City's fanbase has increased considerably in the last few years due to the marketing push.

The funny thing is, if a fella for instance from London is over in Cork some weekend, takes in a City game and gets hooked, what you do say to him then if he keeps coming over to support City thereafter? Tell him to get to f**k?, support your own local team? Methinks not, he would be made more than welcome which is exactly the case for Celtic supporters.

The vast majority of Celtics fanbase are Scottish but if you're not then you're welcome to support the team anyway.

What's the problem???

[Schumi]

hahahah the old 'Real fan' argument. Once again an EL fan enlightens me as to what a REAL fan is, oh what would we do without you.
You're quite right, the commitment shown by people going to the pub to watch English teams never fails to inspire me and I only wish I could manage the same level fandom as them.

[Gary]

The funny thing is, if a fella for instance from London is over in Cork some weekend, takes in a City game and gets hooked, what you do say to him then if he keeps coming over to support City thereafter? Tell him to get to f**k?, support your own local team?


The difference being is that the London guy wont have started supporting City because of their 'Catholic Roots'.

Another difference being that this guy wont be supporting City because its a socially accepted norm to do so.



he would be made more than welcome which is exactly the case for Celtic supporters.

Most Irish Celtic 'Supporters' have never been to Parkhead once, let alobe regular visitors.


You're quite right, the commitment shown by people going to the pub to watch English teams never fails to inspire me and I only wish I could manage the same level fandom as them.

:D very good.

[drinkfeckarse]

The difference being is that the London guy wont have started supporting City because of their 'Catholic Roots'.

Another difference being that this guy wont be supporting City because its a socially accepted norm to do so.



Most Irish Celtic 'Supporters' have never been to Parkhead once, let alobe regular visitors.


As explained earlier, I started supporting Celtic because the fact that I saw loads of Irish flags at Parkhead impressed me which will be the case for a lot of Irish fans, not because it's the socially accepted norm. The supporting them because they're a Catholic club theory is misplaced and dated considering a number of the team are Protestant. In days gone by that might've been relevant and even then only in Glasgow.


Most foreign fans of any club have never been to a game involving their side, in most cases it probably boils down to financial reasons which is fair enough.
I'm not going to call him any less of a fan just because he can't go to a game than say the fella who lives next door to the stadium and is a company director somewhere.

What you are basically suggesting is that Irish Celtic fans support them for the sole reason of it being "cool" to do so or because of religion.
A very uneducated generalisation IMO. Just because you're not a Celtic supporter yourself and can't understand it doesn't mean you should pidgeonhole people who are.

I don't understand how you support Cork City but I don't question it or have a problem with it ;) ;) :D

[NY Hoop]

Sounds like someone needs a visit to their local library....& read up more on the Diaspora
As for the EL,am more than happy to go to see games,as have done in the past with LOI;seen Shams.@ diverse venues as RDS :rolleyes: ,Dalyer :o & Tolka......would concentrate yer energies on getting the new ground.....ready c.2010?! ;)

Think you need to re read my last post. Maybe I do need to check out my local library to see who these shams are :p

You've been to a few games at home. Did you feel the need to spread your knowledge of the "diaspora" when you were at the games cos after all EL fans are ignorant?!!

It's up to the directors of the club to concentrate their energies on getting Tallaght up and running. You think arsenal fans are building emirates stadium?! :o

KOH