World Ranking

[John83]

By Elo ratings, Scotland are 39th and we're 42nd, 8 points behind them. That translates into an expected score of about 49% against them. A year ago we had 128 points on them - we'd be expected to score about 75% against them. They're dangerous.

[DannyInvincible]

We've dropped four more places to a new record low of 70th in the latest rankings released today: http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/ireland/2014/06/05/4862069/ireland-slide-to-record-fifa-ranking-low

[ArdeeBhoy]

And everyone says we're 'making progress'.

Hmm.

[jbyrne]

And everyone says we're 'making progress'.

Hmm.

things went backwards before they went forwards at the start of mick mccarthys management term and he turned out a decent team over his 6 years in charge. hopefully MON can achieve something similar

[NeverFeltBetter]

I'll measure progress in terms of tournaments qualified for, not FIFA ranking changes based on friendly results.

[Grafter]

Wales are 41st, clearly they are 28 places better than us from what I saw against Holland last night!!! C'mon, feck those rankings.... :rolleyes: Scotland 27th!!!!!

[Charlie Darwin]

And everyone says we're 'making progress'.

Hmm.
Going down in the rankings doesn't mean the team aren't improving.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Really?
If I might wear a PO'S/PR hat, how so?

[Charlie Darwin]

Because you can go down in the rankings without playing a game, obviously. You can go down in the rankings because you drew with Italy when beating San Marino would have seen you go up.

[BonnieShels]

70th... MON out!

[ArdeeBhoy]

Someone away from here, was hypothesizing that if European teams lost their WC games, this could potentially assist us or other teams not competing, in the UEFA rankings?
Can see the theory, but can't see it making any realistic difference to us though?

[DannyInvincible]

We remain 70th in latest release: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/worldcup/2014/0717/631321-ireland-remain-70th-as-germany-top-rankings/

Germany top the rankings for the first time in twenty years, whilst Spain have fallen rather dramatically from first to eighth after their dismal World Cup.

[DannyInvincible]

We're up four to 66th in the latest release of rankings: https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/ireland-rise-four-places-latest-fifa-rankings-094718667.html

Onwards and upwards!

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[back of the net]

We're up four to 66th in the latest release of rankings: https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/ireland-rise-four-places-latest-fifa-rankings-094718667.html

Onwards and upwards!

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66th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............VERTIGO ALERT

[DeLorean]

It really is a mental system. Poor Spain take their eye off the ball for two games, after nearly six years of invincibility, and drop to 7th!

[Gather round]

A choice of rankings:

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz196/BillMcComish/football/rankings_zps34cd2d88.jpg (http://s827.photobucket.com/user/BillMcComish/media/football/rankings_zps34cd2d88.jpg.html)

[geysir]

A choice of rankings:
Subliminal exclusion of the IFA team?
No doubt, bullets are already in the post to Gather Round's residence.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Yeah, strange the North don't get a mention...at least 4-5 other teams shouldn't be on that list either.

And Ireland 33? The 'Delaney effect' ?

[ArdeeBhoy]

His post on here gives rather more context.
http://www.wsc.co.uk/forum-index/27-football/845205-say-what-you-like-about-the-fifa-rankings#953466

A choice of rankings:

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz196/BillMcComish/football/rankings_zps34cd2d88.jpg (http://s827.photobucket.com/user/BillMcComish/media/football/rankings_zps34cd2d88.jpg.html)

[geysir]

His post on here gives rather more context.
http://www.wsc.co.uk/forum-index/27-football/845205-say-what-you-like-about-the-fifa-rankings#953466
Maybe he should also take up trainspotting or some such exhilarating hobby, just to balance out the pedantic pursuits.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Ha ha. But no more praise. Sorry!

[Fixer82]

A choice of rankings:

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz196/BillMcComish/football/rankings_zps34cd2d88.jpg (http://s827.photobucket.com/user/BillMcComish/media/football/rankings_zps34cd2d88.jpg.html)

Aaaaarghhh kept off the 27th spot in Europe by a team from the Middle East

[ArdeeBhoy]

Aye, see #618...

[DannyInvincible]

Subliminal exclusion of the IFA team?

I just about see an "Ultonia" ranked 43rd.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Yeah, that'll be it, though as pointed out continuously elsewhere, 'Ulaidh' is not just the North and who in their right mind uses Latin to describe anything anyway, FFS...

[BonnieShels]

Indeed... Far from Hibernia we were raised...

[DannyInvincible]

who in their right mind uses Latin to describe anything anyway, FFS...

To the best of my knowledge, only Papa Franciscus and his adoring faithful.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Probably the only thing GR & The Holy Father will ever have in common. An implausible use of Latin...

[swinfordfc]

So are we slowly on the up ...... ?

[Charlie Darwin]

Our September results in recent years have been poor so I'd expect we'll get a pretty decent bump from this.

[DannyInvincible]

We shouldn't get too complacent though. Gibraltar usually come good round October.

[Closed Account]

This site is usually pretty accurate.
http://www.football-rankings.info/2014/08/fifa-ranking-september-2014-probable_20.html

It has us jumping to no. 54. My quick calcs have us coming in around 56th but there are still games to play.
Wales and Scotland will be somewhere between 27-29th. England up a couple of places to 18th.
Northern Ireland big movers back close to 70th.

[geysir]

Hmmm....... just below Iceland now with a game to go this evening, if we don't win that game then we will have to suffer the ignominy of being overtaken in the rankings by the hoofers from Ireland.

[Stuttgart88]

Wales and Scotland will be somewhere between 27-29th.
I think that's called 28th :)


we will have to suffer the ignominy of being overtaken in the rankings by the hoofers from Ireland.I had to double check that this remark didn't come from Gather Round

[swinfordfc]

Hmmm....... just below Iceland now with a game to go this evening, if we don't win that game then we will have to suffer the ignominy of being overtaken in the rankings by the hoofers from Ireland.

I dont think so after tonight Iceland win .......

[geysir]

Yep... Iceland went into warp drive this evening to leap well ahead of the 3rd raters.
There was an old law in Iceland (only repealed in the 1970's), that it was okay to kill a Turk.
Still hold true though in some respects, their football teams just get hammered here.

[Gather round]

Morning and congratulations to all ;)

Just a slight correction to A/Bhoy above, I started my primary education with the Ursuline Sisters and was briefly a mention of the Legion of Mary in Dublin.

[Closed Account]

58th the latest prediction
Wales/Scotland joint 29th
England 18th
Northern Ireland 71st

[swinfordfc]

58th the latest prediction
Wales/Scotland joint 29th
England 18th
Northern Ireland 71st

We take that ..... better then down in the 70's ...... how the hell are Wales at 29th?

[paul_oshea]

Wales have some midfield, they have 6 or 7 players that would definitely be in our team. They are way underacheiving and this should be their golden era. Last night the pitch didnt help them at all but they should be looking at Coleman and asking questions.

[Charlie Darwin]

They have two great players, one decent midfielder, and a few lower Premier League players who would be in the mix for a spot in our team, but outside of that their squad is vastly inferior to ours.

[paul_oshea]

I'd be very happy with at least 5, even 6 of the starting lineup from the last day. And bale showed that he can single handledly win a game for Wales...cue the Aiden McGeady follow up/comparison to one of the best players in the world.

What would a draw with Scotland next month provide? I think they should factor in away results with higher signficance than home. It would also encourage home teams to go more for the wins when a draw would suffice.

[Charlie Darwin]

What players? Did you see them yesterday?

Davies at left back would be an obvious improvement. Ashley Williams would probably get ahead of Wilson. Joe Allen , maybe, but he's really a lesser, more limited version of McCarthy. Ramsey is a super player. So really Ramsey, Bale and Davies, with possibly Williams too, and a few others could be squad players.

[Stuttgart88]

Wales have some midfield, they have 6 or 7 players that would definitely be in our team. They are way underacheiving and this should be their golden era. Last night the pitch didnt help them at all but they should be looking at Coleman and asking questions.
I agree entirely. Of course all you're doing is repeating what I said in another thread last night:)

I think that half their team, plus or minus one, would get into ours, maybe one or two players more than Scotland. Speed had them playing with real belief.

[paul_oshea]

I'd say I'd have williams and King in there as well both premiership players so with allen thats yer 6. McCarthy is still in Ireland for as much as his club form. Always thought hennessy was ok, certainly better than forde but his club runs havent gone very well. I don't know enough about Chester really.

Most of their players, midfield especially are premierhip players. Like our players a lot of them need more gametime though.

Yes stutts I repeated you sorry, but unlike you and most I already had the opinion beforehand and therefore I acknoweldge that fact which I believe should be done more often on here, so I thanked your post all the same :P

[Charlie Darwin]

When I say our team I mean our first team, not our squad.

[Stuttgart88]

I don't rate Hennessy at all btw. I've no idea about Chester but he seems to do ok for Hull so he wouldn't be far off comparable to Wilson. I'd say Ledley could get into our midfield, as would Scotland's Scott Brown yet neither seems too highly rated here.

[Charlie Darwin]

Hennessey is a spoofer, I'd take any of our goalkeepers ahead of him. Chester seems like a good player but we have loads of defenders like him who are decent-enough Premier League defenders but never likely to be much better.

Ledley and Brown are the same, except substitute midfielder for defender. They're Glenn Whelan-level players, ie good but not great.

[DeLorean]

I wouldn't be that envious of Wales. Their midfield looks good in a fantasy football sense, but they seem to lack balance and have no decent striker. Joe Allen looks out of his depth at Liverpool, no great shame in that compared to what we've got, but sometimes I think the club status of a player can be misleading. He's useful but I don't think he'd add anything significant to us. They don't seem to have a midfield enforcer of any description, although I'd admit there's a couple of players from the team last night I'm not overly familiar with. Last time I took any notice of Neil Taylor I think he was playing left back... but obviously didn't start there with Davies playing? Obviously Bale is on another planet to anything we have and Ramsey's coming of age last season would indicate an upward curve, but many would have said the same about Stephen Ireland once upon a time :) I think they could use some of what we've got even more than the other way around, although Bale's greatness kind of skews things.

[geysir]

I wonder how many Wales supporters were drooling over our players after our late win in San Marino (albeit in a much more difficult month)?
Yet here some are ready to swap half the team for a bunch who could easily have lost to Andorra, if it were not for the effort of super Bale.
Can you not hold counsel until wales actually do something?
Some of ye have no sense of timing, no wonder you are having relationship difficulties.