2024 FAI Cup

[sbgawa]

There is more to it then the local FAI rulebook or Rovers wouldnt have gone this far
To be honest with Paok next week and the second leg the week after a free weakned is a good thing so hopefully Kerry win and Rovers win when we take it to FIFA and the FAI finally learn to treat the clubs with respect.
Kerry for the cup ;)

Maybe we might end up with appeals committees that actually consider the facts before agreeing the outcome and we even get a few riddiculous red cards overturned.

[sbgawa]

Ballyfermot United v Wexford
Cork City v Derry City
Drogheda United v Wilton United
Shelbourne v Galway United
Treaty United v Pike Rovers
Kerry v Bohemians
Sligo Rovers v UCD
Waterford v Athlone Town

Wins for Derry and Shels would be welcome from a 4th place Eujropean qualification perspective and an upset or two from KErry, Athlone or UCD would help.
Wexford have had a handy two rounds with Wayside Celtic and now Ballyfermot and should find themselves in the quarter final playing Treaty or Pike Rovers. Classic FAI cup

[legendz]

Are Kerry the only club in the FAI Cup who cannot qualify for Europe based on the three year rule?

[Buckett]

Treaty too

[outspoken]

Treaty too

Treaty are 4 years old

[Buckett]

Oops! I actually thought the rule was 5 years for some reason.

[ger121]

Are Kerry the only club in the FAI Cup who cannot qualify for Europe based on the three year rule?

I forgot about that rule.

[2 Year Contract]

Are Kerry the only club in the FAI Cup who cannot qualify for Europe based on the three year rule?

No, Waterford can’t either ;)

[Jamesie]

The League Cup or League Trophy, or whatever it was, without a comparable cup competition in Ireland, I find myself swaying on the side of Bohs in this argument. They were given the green light that the cup wasn't a comparable competition. The rules should be updated to offer more clarity around this. The rule as it is did give the FAI the decision that the suspension is served in the league.

If it was turned around and Bohs were in rovers position I'd tell them to give it up....talk about a technicality of the flimsiest degree...this is Ollie Byrne God rest him territory. Oh they've got the right yeah yeah...just take your beating ffs and stop trying to f up the competition with your last minute appeals

[trevy]

No, Waterford can’t either ;)

Don't bring that up again. :) St Pats are probably preparing their objection already even though we have been Waterford FC since 2017!

[placid casual]

I've got a sneaking suspicion that cork will get one over on derry tonight.
I'd imagine witnessing the shels Vs galway tonight would be akin to watching someone else watching paint dry!

[Nesta99]

Don't bring that up again. :) St Pats are probably preparing their objection already even though we have been Waterford FC since 2017!

There's time yet for some legal wranglings on ownership and a quick change back to United before people go hunting compensation and liquidation of assets to cover. I dont think it will happen but hey.....Bohs could be relegated and Derry might decide to win the league,, its LoI after all!

[nr637]

From what I have seen the arrangement for FAI Cup gate receipts are that the home team gets 65% and the away team get 35% .
The home team pay all the expenses out of their 65% including any extra security needed for the fixture.
Both the FAI and the visiting team are legally entitled to check receipts relating to the game to verify the income and expenditure

In the Semi-Final it's 60/40 again with the home side paying all the expenses.

For the final it's split 3 ways with the remaining 1% going to a charity nominated by the FAI.

Is that why clubs ticket pricing has increased, mainly €10 for a child instead of the €5 for league fixtures.

Some fans have been complaining about this unfair increase!

Anyone! :confused:

[sbgawa]

From what I have seen the arrangement for FAI Cup gate receipts are that the home team gets 65% and the away team get 35% .
The home team pay all the expenses out of their 65% including any extra security needed for the fixture.
Both the FAI and the visiting team are legally entitled to check receipts relating to the game to verify the income and expenditure

In the Semi-Final it's 60/40 again with the home side paying all the expenses.

For the final it's split 3 ways with the remaining 1% going to a charity nominated by the FAI.

Is that why clubs ticket pricing has increased, mainly €10 for a child instead of the €5 for league fixtures.

Some fans have been complaining about this unfair increase!

Anyone! :confused:

I remember one ex Rovers Director telling me back in the 90s some teams would have volunteers with clickers on each turnstile counting the people coming in to check back to the reciepts ;)

[joey B]

I remember one ex Rovers Director telling me back in the 90s some teams would have volunteers with clickers on each turnstile counting the people coming in to check back to the reciepts ;)

That was a fairly common thing for alot of clubs to do....

[total hoofball]

The League Cup or League Trophy, or whatever it was, without a comparable cup competition in Ireland, I find myself swaying on the side of Bohs in this argument. They were given the green light that the cup wasn't a comparable competition. The rules should be updated to offer more clarity around this. The rule as it is did give the FAI the decision that the suspension is served in the league.
The FAI should just amend it from next season than any suspension carried over from a cup competition in another jurisdiction is automatically applied to the newly registered player's next domestic LOI league fixture only, trying to update wording to a rule to measure cup competition levels around a multitude of Papa John's Trophy type cup competitions across 200+ global football associations is not even up for discussion

[joey B]

Treaty put the Limerick derby to bed in 4 minutes…

[Patrickccfc84]

Very entertaining game at Turners Cross. We've had one ruled out for offside and had one brilliantly cleared off the line just before half time. Have the feeling that Derry will come out differently in the second half, but we've done well so far.

[wonder88]

Looks like a very poor crowd at Tolka, I suppose season tickets not been valid, Man Utd playing same time and the league been the priority for Shelbourne are reasons for it.
A penalty call for Galway not given just before half-time.

[Another Bohemia]

That was a fairly common thing for alot of clubs to do....

It was and it lasted well past the 90's. I remember Bohs playing either a first division or non league team in the early rounds of the cup during the recession and they had people with clickers at the turnstiles.

[osarusan]

Pike utterly outclassed in the Markets Field by a Treaty side that are in the lower half of an appalling first division.

[ger121]

Athlone dump Waterford out with a 120th minute winner.

[pineapple stu]

Pike utterly outclassed in the Markets Field but a Treaty side that are in the lower half of an appalling first division.
That seems a bit of a surprise to me? I know it's pre-season for Pike, but I would have thought Limerick non-league football was stronger than a 7-0 hammering?

[sbgawa]

Great set of results for sides looking to make Europe via the league. Waterford and Galway gone.

[joey B]

Some result for Athlone and a bit of a shudder for whoever ends up in 9th place,Athlone are comfortably the second best team in the First division and should make the playoff final….

I forgot to say but Waterford had a clear winner not given in stoppage time of normal time ,ball looked about 2 yards over the line….

[Nesta99]

Some result for Athlone and a bit of a shudder for whoever ends up in 9th place,Athlone are comfortably the second best team in the First division and should make the playoff final….

I forgot to say but Waterford had a clear winner not given in stoppage time of normal time ,ball looked about 2 yards over the line….

That was my very reaction!

[brendy_éire]

Well, fairly brutal performance from City against City tonight. I think it's obvious which one I'm talking about.

Don't know how we got into half time at 0-0. Coll keeping us in it there, and Maher had a great save. Thought Maguire actually looked good, but we did give him far too much space.

In the second half, after about the 60 minute mark, we started to play more like how we should. In the end, it was a set piece that got us the goal. We did look threatening from corners, but that was about it.

Look, suppose it doesn't matter, but feels like we got away with one tonight.

I think Cork, maybe with a couple of additions, will be grand for next year. It was hard to tell which side was the PD one.

[brendy_éire]

I forgot to say but Waterford had a clear winner not given in stoppage time of normal time ,ball looked about 2 yards over the line….

Certainly, by the looks of it. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/BTLX9pvQbF4xf8jM/

In fairness to the linesman, it would be a hard one to see with all the bodies. Shocker all the same.

[Burnsie]

To update my stat from earlier in the thread:

it's now one win (Maynooth v Cobh in 2021) , one draws (Kilbarrack v Treaty in the previous round) and 52 defeats for non-league teams against LOI opponents, in the past 6 seasons

[Philosophizer]

To update my stat from earlier in the thread:

it's now one win (Maynooth v Cobh in 2021) , one draws (Kilbarrack v Treaty in the previous round) and 51 defeats for non-league teams against LOI opponents, in the past 6 seasons
Have you also got the goal difference in that same timeframe. I saw it a few years ago and it was damning. It’s probably even worse now after the routs tonight.

[Shearer]

Handy victory for Treaty over Pike Rovers which is sure to quieten a few junior heads. Game was over after 40 seconds and now Treaty have another cup quarter final to look forward to.

Enda Curran grabbing his 100th Senior goal in all competitions, think he's still seven off of 100 national goals if that makes sense.

[Burnsie]

The league sides have scored ten goals for every one by the beleaguered non-leaguers -

Aggregate score is 204 - 20,

.or an average per game of 3.8 - 0.37

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Waterford totally screwed by the officials it seems. They are beyond hopeless the lot of them.

https://x.com/rayhibs/status/1824576329854992775?s=46&t=X_wthh81hc_IALu9TUBX1A

[osarusan]

That seems a bit of a surprise to me? I know it's pre-season for Pike, but I would have thought Limerick non-league football was stronger than a 7-0 hammering?

This might dispel that notion for a while. Pike were just so limited in every way. The gap between the levels seems huge, bigger even than the gap between Div 1 and PD.

[trevy]

Shocking refereeing at the RSC last night. Daragh Leahy was sent off for nothing. The ref gave him a red for a minor tussle waiting for a corner which baffled everyone. Waterford scored a penalty which looked a bit soft to me a few minutes later. Athlone equalise with 10 or so minutes to go. Then in the final seconds the ref and his assistants don't spot the ball going at least a foot over the line after a corner which would have won it for Waterford. Amond gets his 2nd and then had one cleared from off or over the line. Haven't seen that one yet but Amond was sure it crossed line. Athlone got 2 late goals to win it then.

[2 Year Contract]

Waterford totally screwed by the officials it seems. They are beyond hopeless the lot of them.

https://x.com/rayhibs/status/1824576329854992775?s=46&t=X_wthh81hc_IALu9TUBX1A

Hometown referring. Disgusting Athlone bias shown by all refs throughout the league

[total hoofball]

Have you also got the goal difference in that same timeframe. I saw it a few years ago and it was damning. It’s probably even worse now after the routs tonight.

I have compiled myself this below table of LOI vs Non-League stats for a couple of years now because in recent years it was starting to become so evident the gap growing between the teams, I update it every season so 2024 now included. Results include results after AET but do not include penalty shootout outcomes

3 points for a non-league win, 1 point for a non-league draw etc. with averages for PPG (Points per Game) and GDPG (Goal Difference per Game), all numbers progressively getting worse for the non-league teams with that Maynooth win over Cobh in 2021 standing out as a major outlier

In some defence of the non-league teams the shift of the first round involving LOI teams back in 2017 from May to August and then the next shift in 2021 from August to July has not helped their competitiveness in these fixtures when they are in pre-season






P
W
D
L
GF
GA
GD
PPG
GDPG


2007
11
1
2
8
8
28
-20
0.45
-1.81


2008
10
1
1
8
4
25
-21
0.40
-2.10


2009
13
1
3
9
7
38
-31
0.46
-2.38


2010
11
0
2
9
6
30
-24
0.18
-2.18


2011
12
1
0
11
10
34
-24
0.25
-2.00


2012
12
1
1
10
10
29
-19
0.33
-1.58


2013
13
1
2
10
11
35
-24
0.38
-1.84


2014
9
0
1
8
4
30
-26
0.11
-2.88


2015
13
3
2
8
13
24
-11
0.85
-0.85


2016
12
1
1
10
6
39
-33
0.33
-2.75


2017
11
2
1
8
10
29
-19
0.63
-1.73


2018
10
0
0
10
7
47
-40
0.00
-4.00


2019
7
0
0
7
4
21
-17
0.00
-2.42


2021
9
1
0
8
5
32
-27
0.33
-3.00


2022
9
0
0
9
0
41
-41
0.00
-4.56


2023
9
0
0
9
2
30
-28
0.00
-3.11


2024
9
0
1
8
2
32
-30
0.11
-3.33

[joey B]

Waterford totally screwed by the officials it seems. They are beyond hopeless the lot of them.

https://x.com/rayhibs/status/1824576329854992775?s=46&t=X_wthh81hc_IALu9TUBX1A

That’s bizarre,what is seeing there to send him off?

[harry crumb]

Don't what it says about the state of the Premier Division is that Derry team is contending for a Championship.

City were by far the better side and will count last night as a missed opportunity.

[legendz]

lower half of an appalling first division.

Can't draw exact parallels but Galway and Waterford are flying high after promotion from the First Division. 5th and 7th in the Premier Division then are going well in Europe.

[Shearer]

That seems a bit of a surprise to me? I know it's pre-season for Pike, but I would have thought Limerick non-league football was stronger than a 7-0 hammering?
The standard of amateur football has never been worse. Pike, while they wouldn't care to admit it, are also playing at a lower level than Kilbarrack (who we played in the previous round) are.

[outspoken]

I watched the first few minutes as I'd got word of some interesting bets over the previous 48 hours, did I hear the commentator saying Pike were missing a few key players? The word was obviously out before the game that these lads were missing. Some of the lads playing didn't look too fit.

[joey B]

I watched the first few minutes as I'd got word of some interesting bets over the previous 48 hours, did I hear the commentator saying Pike were missing a few key players? The word was obviously out before the game that these lads were missing. Some of the lads playing didn't look too fit.

3 Pike Rovers players were called up to train for a Munster team and weren’t allowed to play,which is right on brand for the people who run those kind of teams!

[Shearer]

They were missing two - goalkeeper Gary Neville (not joking) and defender Adam Lipper. There was a third player, Conor Coughlan, but he has left Pike all together. Robbie Williams (Player/Manager) opted just to be the manager on the night, Red Hanlon was on the bench but didn't play.

As it was a training camp there was no grounds to get the game called off, and even if they were playing, it wouldn't have been much if any better on the scoreline.

The Limerick District League started on Thursday night (Pike obviously didn't play), but there can't be any pre-season excuses seeing as the game coincided with their season starting, as well as the fact that Pike had better prep than most with two competitive games against Villa and Midleton in the prior rounds.

No Treaty fan will be getting carried away after that result, but it's nice to soften the cough of certain junior heads.

[brendy_éire]

Don't what it says about the state of the Premier Division is that Derry team is contending for a Championship.

City were by far the better side and will count last night as a missed opportunity.

I think it says more about us than anything else. We're capable of being quite good, but rarely are. That was one of our worst performances of the season, and we were very fortunate to keep a clean sheet. If that was in the PD, we'd have lost by a few.

[oriel]

I have compiled myself this below table of LOI vs Non-League stats for a couple of years now because in recent years it was starting to become so evident the gap growing between the teams, I update it every season so 2024 now included. Results include results after AET but do not include penalty shootout outcomes

3 points for a non-league win, 1 point for a non-league draw etc. with averages for PPG (Points per Game) and GDPG (Goal Difference per Game), all numbers progressively getting worse for the non-league teams with that Maynooth win over Cobh in 2021 standing out as a major outlier

In some defence of the non-league teams the shift of the first round involving LOI teams back in 2017 from May to August and then the next shift in 2021 from August to July has not helped their competitiveness in these fixtures when they are in pre-season






P
W
D
L
GF
GA
GD
PPG
GDPG


2007
11
1
2
8
8
28
-20
0.45
-1.81


2008
10
1
1
8
4
25
-21
0.40
-2.10


2009
13
1
3
9
7
38
-31
0.46
-2.38


2010
11
0
2
9
6
30
-24
0.18
-2.18


2011
12
1
0
11
10
34
-24
0.25
-2.00


2012
12
1
1
10
10
29
-19
0.33
-1.58


2013
13
1
2
10
11
35
-24
0.38
-1.84


2014
9
0
1
8
4
30
-26
0.11
-2.88


2015
13
3
2
8
13
24
-11
0.85
-0.85


2016
12
1
1
10
6
39
-33
0.33
-2.75


2017
11
2
1
8
10
29
-19
0.63
-1.73


2018
10
0
0
10
7
47
-40
0.00
-4.00


2019
7
0
0
7
4
21
-17
0.00
-2.42


2021
9
1
0
8
5
32
-27
0.33
-3.00


2022
9
0
0
9
0
41
-41
0.00
-4.56


2023
9
0
0
9
2
30
-28
0.00
-3.11


2024
9
0
1
8
2
32
-30
0.11
-3.33



That is some table, and great work on the stats. Just as well its not compiled pre 2002, as Dundalk still have the record I think, 7 defeats by NL clubs in the FAI Cup and some notable ones too.

1983 (as defending League Champs) lost away to Cobh Ram, first round.
1991 (we would be that seasons League Champs) - lost at home to Ashtown Villa, early or first round.
2001 (we would win FAI Cup a year later) - lost away to Malahide Utd, early or first round again, bizarre set up as due to foot and mouth, no away fans allowed, I got in mind !

I'm almost sure no club is even close to the 7 defeats, could be wrong.

[pineapple stu]

Crikey - Sligo, with six wins in their last seven games, are 2-0 down at home to UCD!

Did not see this coming

[joey B]

Wow! The First division showing up this weekend!

[sbgawa]

Kerry for the cup !!

[bohsmug]

Yeah, some of the comments about the first division standard not looking so smart now. Let's not finish 9th Bohs.