2024 FAI Cup

[brendy_éire]

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/shamrock-rovers-lodge-appeal-over-fai-cup-defeat-to-bohemians-after-questioning-dawson-devoys-eligibility/a1253494059.html

I mean, this feels a bit desperate. The FAI cleared him to play, so that should be that.

[placid casual]

This made me smile:)
Couldn't care less if it's overturned or not,but delighted Rovers are arguing their case.
You can be damn sure if the roles were reversed we'd see that spanner bohs CEO out on hunger strike or a dirty protest on the phibsboro road, proclaiming the injustice of it all.

[Dermobohs]

This made me smile:)
Couldn't care less if it's overturned or not,but delighted Rovers are arguing their case.
You can be damn sure if the roles were reversed we'd see that spanner bohs CEO out on hunger strike or a dirty protest on the phibsboro road, proclaiming the injustice of it all.
He’s our COO, that is he’s responsible for financial incomings and the day to day running.
**** all to do with him what the football side does that’s down to our DOF, Fenlon.
As someone mentioned , he was cleared to play so he played. No one had an inkling you could carry a red from the Mickey Mouse trophy four or five months ago into a game in another country, after you’ve been here six weeks or whatever, mental stuff.
If you’re that desperate and petty, go on ahead
and appeal it. Would expect nothing else from that ****ty club tbh

[sbgawa]

I couldn't care less about the cup but if we knocked bohs out in the stewards room I would **** myself laughing.
If bohs win the cup there will always be an *

[culloty82]

Clearly, the carrot of a game in Mounthawk Park just proved too irresistible for Rovers!

[legendz]

Clearly, the carrot of a game in Mounthawk Park just proved too irresistible for Rovers!

Definitely!

[Knocklyonhoop]

If the shoe was on the other foot 100% Bohs would have appealed.

given FAI have signed off it’ll be like a yellow card appeal (I.e.no chance!) but we did get punished in 2006 with Oaul `shields I think after FAI clearance?!

but I can’t think of a sweeter cup win if they did throw Bohs out….. wining the cup having been knocked out by them ????

[Dermobohs]

It’s a weird situation, his suspension came in a league cup competition, he then played 15(?) games for another club on loan. Moved here , played in the cup .
Surely if his card came in a league cup then he should serve a ban, however unfair, in a league competition and not an open cup competition? As we do not have a league cup like?
Nonsense ban anyhow.

[sbgawa]

Wouldn't be the first time the FAI got something wrong. I'm guessing Rovers have read the rules book and think they have a case

[Mr_Parker]

Curiously enough, when Gerard Lawlor was the boss (Chairman?) at Cliftonville, he/his club were the most vocal of the bigger teams in opposing an all-Ireland league, while Linfield (and Glentoran?) were more amenable.

While since he has become CEO of the NIFL, Lawlor has been trying to push a Summer football agenda, which would appear to be a necessary prerequisite to any such league.

There was nothing "curious" about his or Cliftonville's position at that time. He/They spoke out against so-called proposal at that time, based on it making any substance, not on the concept of an AIL.

[Mr_Parker]

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/shamrock-rovers-lodge-appeal-over-fai-cup-defeat-to-bohemians-after-questioning-dawson-devoys-eligibility/a1253494059.html

I mean, this feels a bit desperate. The FAI cleared him to play, so that should be that.

The English FA Regs


Transfer of Outstanding Suspensions
48 Where a Player, who is subject to an outstanding suspension arising from a sending-off offence in an EFL
Trophy Match, either:
48.1 remains registered to the same Club, but that Club becomes ineligible for or does not enter the EFL
Trophy; or
48.2 moves to a different Club that is ineligible or does not enter the EFL Trophy;
that period of suspension shall be transferred so that it may be served with reference to Matches other than
those in the EFL Trophy (to which the suspension originally applied).

Fifa regs

12 Enforcement of disciplinary sanctions
1.
Any disciplinary sanction of up to four matches or up to three months that has been
imposed on a player by the former association but not yet (entirely) served by the time
of the transfer shall be enforced by the new association at which the player has been
registered in order for the sanction to be served at domestic level. When issuing the ITC,
the former association shall notify the new association via TMS of any such disciplinary
sanction that has yet to be (entirely) served.
2.
Any disciplinary sanction of more than four matches or more than three months that
has not yet been (entirely) served by a player shall be enforced by the new association
that has registered the player only if the FIFA Disciplinary Committee has extended
the disciplinary sanction to have worldwide effect. Additionally, when issuing the ITC,
the former association shall notify the new association via TMS of any such pending
disciplinary sanction.

[Another Bohemia]

The English FA Regs


Transfer of Outstanding Suspensions
48 Where a Player, who is subject to an outstanding suspension arising from a sending-off offence in an EFL
Trophy Match, either:
48.1 remains registered to the same Club, but that Club becomes ineligible for or does not enter the EFL
Trophy; or
48.2 moves to a different Club that is ineligible or does not enter the EFL Trophy;
that period of suspension shall be transferred so that it may be served with reference to Matches other than
those in the EFL Trophy (to which the suspension originally applied).

Fifa regs

12 Enforcement of disciplinary sanctions
1.
Any disciplinary sanction of up to four matches or up to three months that has been
imposed on a player by the former association but not yet (entirely) served by the time
of the transfer shall be enforced by the new association at which the player has been
registered in order for the sanction to be served at domestic level. When issuing the ITC,
the former association shall notify the new association via TMS of any such disciplinary
sanction that has yet to be (entirely) served.
2.
Any disciplinary sanction of more than four matches or more than three months that
has not yet been (entirely) served by a player shall be enforced by the new association
that has registered the player only if the FIFA Disciplinary Committee has extended
the disciplinary sanction to have worldwide effect. Additionally, when issuing the ITC,
the former association shall notify the new association via TMS of any such pending
disciplinary sanction.

I'm not sure there was an obligation to transfer the suspension under FIFA rules since it was a 3 match ban and the regs specify 4 matches or 3 months which I assume refers to the length of suspension being 3 months rather than the length of time it takes to enforce.

[TonyD]

I'm not sure there was an obligation to transfer the suspension under FIFA rules since it was a 3 match ban and the regs specify 4 matches or 3 months which I assume refers to the length of suspension being 3 months rather than the length of time it takes to enforce.

Yeah that’s how I read it as well. That’s just at a quick glance mind you. The English regs seem purely domestic and therefore not relevant.

[sbgawa]

Nah its obviously either 3 months or 4 matches , so either time or number of mathces. Neither is related to the other.
For example when Cantona was banned for 9 months (i think) they didnt say 9 months or 30 matches.
Devoy had a ban which he hadnt served, hence the appeal.
It would be embarressing for the FAI to have cleared him in the wrong so will they pull back???
be interestig but the FAI have a history of bending the rules to prevent embarressing themselves

[SkStu]

"Rovers asked me 'Can we be the 17th team in the FAI Cup 3rd round?'. They did. They asked me this."

[sbgawa]

16th ;)

[Mr_Parker]

I'm not sure there was an obligation to transfer the suspension under FIFA rules since it was a 3 match ban and the regs specify 4 matches or 3 months which I assume refers to the length of suspension being 3 months rather than the length of time it takes to enforce.

You've misread the reg , specifically part 1. It deals with suspensions up to 4 games. Part 2 deals with suspensions that are more than 4 games.

[Mr_Parker]

Yeah that’s how I read it as well. That’s just at a quick glance mind you. The English regs seem purely domestic and therefore not relevant.

The English regs are relevant. They stipulate what happens should a player move and a suspension was not served. Therefore confirming that a suspension would go with the player, including an international transfer as per FIFA regs.

[redobit]

be interestig but the FAI have a history of bending the rules to prevent embarressing themselves

That was the frst thing I thought when I heard about the appeal too. They dont like to admit mistakes.

[TonyD]

The English regs are relevant. They stipulate what happens should a player move and a suspension was not served. Therefore confirming that a suspension would go with the player, including an international transfer as per FIFA regs.

I don’t see that in what you’ve quoted. However, you’re right, I did misread the FIFA rule. Missed the “up to four matches” part, so it would seem those rules do apply.

[Nesta99]

"Rovers asked me 'Can we be the 17th team in the FAI Cup 3rd round?'. They did. They asked me this."

Who cuold play SB and JD in this reboot....jaysus the thoughts of those two men in the same room, even all these years later.

[legendz]

Kerry were away to Cork last night. Disappointing and sloppy goals conceded. Kerry are away to second placed Athlone next. Good tests ahead of the third round.

[Buckett]

Athone also signed Alex "Timmy" Byrne. Former Galway Utd centre half/ centre mid. Decent First Division player. He was out in Canada the past few years. I'd love it if they got promoted! I think Kerry will struggle against them next week

[SkStu]

Who cuold play SB and JD in this reboot....jaysus the thoughts of those two men in the same room, even all these years later.

It will never not be hilariously funny and cripplingly embarrassing at the same time to me. :D

[culloty82]

Sunday 18th of August at 4pm confirmed for Kerry v Bohs - would have imagined the home side would have preferred a Friday night KO, but at least they can get the preparations underway.

[culloty82]

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[legendz]

Sunday 18th of August at 4pm confirmed for Kerry v Bohs - would have imagined the home side would have preferred a Friday night KO, but at least they can get the preparations underway.
Surprised it isn't Friday. Was that a decision taken by Gardaí with a certain festival taking place on the same weekend?

[EatYerGreens]

Surprised it isn't Friday. Was that a decision taken by Gardaí with a certain festival taking place on the same weekend?

The notoriously fighty Rose of Tralee crowd.

#TheBloodyNoseOfTralee

[Mr_Parker]

This is a mandatory FIFA reg which all associations must adopt. Adds another dimension to the Bohs/Rovers case.



4. A sending-off automatically incurs suspension from the subsequent match.
The FIFA judicial bodies may impose additional match suspensions and other
disciplinary measures.

[sbgawa]

If the fai play fair I think Rovers win this but as we've seen with the sending off appeals this year their appeals system.os a joke

[legendz]

The second leg of the UEFA Europa League Third qualifying round is Thursday 15 August. Kerry usually play on Friday night. Kerry would have been expected to play Bohemians on Friday 16 August. The Bohemians match is scheduled for Sunday 18 August. 18 August would suit Shamrock Rovers after European football on 15 August. Is there a link?

[culloty82]

Unless the FAI had to schedule all the last 16 ties by a specific date, it's more likely they've already decided not to take any further action on the case.

[Knocklyonhoop]

If they signed off on him playing and they kick Bohs out, unless they said “you can if you think he is eligible to,play, but it’s on you” then it looks a fairly forward case Bohs could take against them.

no chance any action is being taken!

[placid casual]

Yeah, I'd be of the opinion that, as soap-opera-y as it may appear,Rovers are not interested in having a beef with boez,but are actually seeking to highlight the utter ineptitude of the FAIlures.

[sbgawa]

It's a clubs responsibility to make sure a player is eligible not the Fai's. If the fai said its OK and it turns out to be wrong its on the club. I still think it will be like appealing against red cards I.e pointless but let's see.
Even if the FAI gave the go ahead it means nothing. Its always on the club

[Calcio Jack]

It's a clubs responsibility to make sure a player is eligible not the Fai's. If the fai said its OK and it turns out to be wrong its on the club. I still think it will be like appealing against red cards I.e pointless but let's see.
Even if the FAI gave the go ahead it means nothing. Its always on the club

Any idea why is it taking so long for the FAI to make a decision …. In fairness to Bohs if they the question and FAI confirmed in writing that he was cleared to play against us ; then surely the logical outcome should be a replay and Devoy not allowed to play in it

[Nesta99]

With the onus on the club to confirm eligibility, who much further can a club go than contact their FA to check. If the answer was player cleared to play then the club can do no more. If there is nothing in the rules for this sepcific situation and no precedence then they easiest path to a solution is mark iit off, close the loophole, and carry on as you were. To do anything else makes it a lot more complicted, over turn the result and the FAI are open to a suit as could replaying the match. It would be tough for rovers to build a case in te absence of clear rules and CAS type decisions would be to diiss and fix the rule book going forward. Its certainly some added interest in the cup after your own side are no longer involved. The fair thing to do is to replay the game, Bohs dont want to risk their place, Rovers will be desperate to do anything to improve their chances for European qualifiction with a league slot at risk. Been a while since we've had this kind of drama.

[Another Bohemia]

Any idea why is it taking so long for the FAI to make a decision …. In fairness to Bohs if they the question and FAI confirmed in writing that he was cleared to play against us ; then surely the logical outcome should be a replay and Devoy not allowed to play in it

Id wager the reason no decision has been made is that the FAI are looking to pay Rovers a settlement and basically end the case there. In the few days before the next round is due to be played there will be a token statement from the FAI and Rovers will have a few extra euro in the transfer kitty next year.

[Nesta99]

How did the issue come to Rovers attention? Is it usual for a club to trawl through a players history and/or registrations. Delaney gave Waterford a free peak at all Dundalk player registrations after a playoff loss.

[Dermobohs]

Any idea why is it taking so long for the FAI to make a decision …. In fairness to Bohs if they the question and FAI confirmed in writing that he was cleared to play against us ; then surely the logical outcome should be a replay and Devoy not allowed to play in it
In which case we should be able to replay our league game v Dundalk and he be allowed play, as he served his suspension in that one.

[Calcio Jack]

Id wager the reason no decision has been made is that the FAI are looking to pay Rovers a settlement and basically end the case there. In the few days before the next round is due to be played there will be a token statement from the FAI and Rovers will have a few extra euro in the transfer kitty next year.

I’d be amazed if they did that and we accepted it…. Are you basing your view on some info you’re aware of ?

[sbgawa]

Not a chance we would take 30 pieces of silver off the FAI.
IF the rules havent been applied properly then its a 3 nil forfeit.
From LOI Central podcast today Dan McD saying some sources in FAI now saying they might have messed up compared to the original "nothing to see here comments"
It seems like Rovers have an argueable case but i still think the FAI will whitwash it.
Ive said it already i dont care about the cup but putting one over on Bohs like this would be funny.

[Another Bohemia]

I’d be amazed if they did that and we accepted it…. Are you basing your view on some info you’re aware of ?

I'm just basing it off any time a large company or governing body makes an error. That's the basic playbook. They try to keep it out of the courts so as little light is shined on it as possible and promise to do better next time or update the regulations while changing very little if anything at all.

[brendy_éire]

I'm just basing it off any time a large company or governing body makes an error. That's the basic playbook. They try to keep it out of the courts so as little light is shined on it as possible and promise to do better next time or update the regulations while changing very little if anything at all.

There is a similar enough precedent to this with Sean Hargan back in 2006. He picked up four yellows, and was due to be suspended after the disciplinary committee meeting.
However, IIRC, for some reason, the committee decided on this a week earlier than usual, so didn't email (or fax, depending on the story) the club straight away, instead intending to leave it to the next week. The FAI then forgot to send the email the following week, Derry forgot about the suspension, and he played three games before everyone copped on, then he served his suspension.
Shels, or Ollie Byrne more precisely, lost the plot over this. In the end nothing happened, so the FAI took the blame for not sending the email.

This is the same season that Shels attempted (and succeeded?) to have Bohs deducted points over Jason McGuiness playing when suspended too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/4793513.stm

[brendy_éire]

More on that here, including Ollie Byrne complaining that Dublin City's results were expunged from the table, giving Derry an advantage. Remember that saga? All the while knowing the Revenue Commissioners were closing in with their winding up order. Heady days.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-facing-meltdown-as-shels-fight-their-corner/26353294.html

[ger121]

The second leg of the UEFA Europa League Third qualifying round is Thursday 15 August. Kerry usually play on Friday night. Kerry would have been expected to play Bohemians on Friday 16 August. The Bohemians match is scheduled for Sunday 18 August. 18 August would suit Shamrock Rovers after European football on 15 August. Is there a link?

An interesting theory but it might make sense because bar the Rose of Tralee what would be the reason to play this game on a Sunday afternoon.

[ger121]

Not a chance the FAI admit anything. Not sure what your options would be beyond that?

[Nesta99]

More on that here, including Ollie Byrne complaining that Dublin City's results were expunged from the table, giving Derry an advantage. Remember that saga? All the while knowing the Revenue Commissioners were closing in with their winding up order. Heady days.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-facing-meltdown-as-shels-fight-their-corner/26353294.html

I dont think many forget the Stuey Byrne league winning post match interview that time, one of the oddest very LoI moments ever.

[legendz]

An interesting theory but it might make sense because bar the Rose of Tralee what would be the reason to play this game on a Sunday afternoon.
Kerry played Drogheda on that Friday last year. Everyone in Kerry expected Friday night. The Sunday fixture has come out of the blue. It could be festival related but there was no statement saying it was for those reasons. All hints at the date being selected by the FAI.

[sbgawa]

Wonder when the appeal is being heard.
Surprised Dan Mc doesnt have it