2024 FAI Cup

[joey B]

I wonder how many the Drogheda/Wexford final will attract!!!

[ger121]

What a win for the students! Could be us gone tomorrow. Whoever finishes 9th in the PD should be a little more worried than they were before the weekend.

[legendz]

Premier Division 1-2 First Division
Derry and Shels will be expected to make the final as long as they avoid each other. There will be at least 4 First Division clubs in the quarter-finals. Athlone and UCD are comfortably 2nd and 3rd. The current playoff structure gives these clubs more leeway to challenge in the cup, without majorly impacting on making the playoffs.
2nd in the First Division beating 3rd from the Premier away and 3rd in the First Division beating 4th from the Premier away are great results against the odds.

[oriel]

What a win for the students! Could be us gone tomorrow. Whoever finishes 9th in the PD should be a little more worried than they were before the weekend.

If that is us, I had already done the homework on Athlone and UCD as the standouts, on a one off game, anything could happen.

To get to the play off, I'd bite the hand off now, but for the actual PO Final, I'd be taking nothing for granted, a glimmer of hope we have never lost one, beat Waterford twice (97 and the later to be 'it didn't matter by FAI in 06 or 07, enter Maxi with a can of petrol), but wouldn't be counting my chickens for sure if we made the final this year.

[oriel]

Crikey - Sligo, with six wins in their last seven games, are 2-0 down at home to UCD!

Did not see this coming

Congrats Stu, that is some win, Ronan Finn rolling back the years.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

We were brutal. Missed a couple of great chances in the second half and then UCDs first was a great goal. They were good. Well organised and a thorn in our side like they have been for 45 years.

[placid casual]

That's a shocking result for sligo. The form team in the country, they could have strolled into the final considering who's left in.
Delighted for Finner who's a good bloke.
Unless Bohs meet Sligo or Derry in the final it's going to be sub 15k attendance at the final

[Dermobohs]

That's a shocking result for sligo. The form team in the country, they could have strolled into the final considering who's left in.
Delighted for Finner who's a good bloke.
Unless Bohs meet Sligo or Derry in the final it's going to be sub 15k attendance at the final
Are Sligo appealing then??

[sbgawa]

Are Sligo appealing then??

I've never found sligo even slightly appealing.

[yurt]

I have compiled myself this below table of LOI vs Non-League stats for a couple of years now because in recent years it was starting to become so evident the gap growing between the teams, I update it every season so 2024 now included. Results include results after AET but do not include penalty shootout outcomes

3 points for a non-league win, 1 point for a non-league draw etc. with averages for PPG (Points per Game) and GDPG (Goal Difference per Game), all numbers progressively getting worse for the non-league teams with that Maynooth win over Cobh in 2021 standing out as a major outlier

In some defence of the non-league teams the shift of the first round involving LOI teams back in 2017 from May to August and then the next shift in 2021 from August to July has not helped their competitiveness in these fixtures when they are in pre-season






P
W
D
L
GF
GA
GD
PPG
GDPG


2007
11
1
2
8
8
28
-20
0.45
-1.81


2008
10
1
1
8
4
25
-21
0.40
-2.10


2009
13
1
3
9
7
38
-31
0.46
-2.38


2010
11
0
2
9
6
30
-24
0.18
-2.18


2011
12
1
0
11
10
34
-24
0.25
-2.00


2012
12
1
1
10
10
29
-19
0.33
-1.58


2013
13
1
2
10
11
35
-24
0.38
-1.84


2014
9
0
1
8
4
30
-26
0.11
-2.88


2015
13
3
2
8
13
24
-11
0.85
-0.85


2016
12
1
1
10
6
39
-33
0.33
-2.75


2017
11
2
1
8
10
29
-19
0.63
-1.73


2018
10
0
0
10
7
47
-40
0.00
-4.00


2019
7
0
0
7
4
21
-17
0.00
-2.42


2021
9
1
0
8
5
32
-27
0.33
-3.00


2022
9
0
0
9
0
41
-41
0.00
-4.56


2023
9
0
0
9
2
30
-28
0.00
-3.11


2024
9
0
1
8
2
32
-30
0.11
-3.33



That table is exactly the data I wanted when I was saying that we could do with re-jigging the cup structure to try and engineer more FD vs NL ties in round one and two. I think the numbers here would have a chance of increasing if all 9 of these ties in each of the past 3 years were against FD instead of PD clubs.

Results in the Waterford and Sligo games has made the shootout loss to Shels much tougher in retrospect.
Draw will be very interesting because if any of Shels, Derry and Bohs* draw each other there's a lot of other teams who'll suddenly fancy there chances of making the semis.

[brendy_éire]

The current playoff structure gives these clubs more leeway to challenge in the cup, without majorly impacting on making the playoffs.

Getting ahead of things, but the cup final and playoff final are down for the same weekend.
Don't think it's ever been an issue in the past?

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Are Sligo appealing then??

Finn is overage

[placid casual]

Are Sligo appealing then??
Mea culpa , I meant to write Shels not Sligo.
Although how stupid am I suggesting boez could get to the cup final eh!:)

[culloty82]

Getting ahead of things, but the cup final and playoff final are down for the same weekend.
Don't think it's ever been an issue in the past?

Though Treaty did threaten to force the issue a few seasons back when they reached the Cup semis.

[culloty82]

That table is exactly the data I wanted when I was saying that we could do with re-jigging the cup structure to try and engineer more FD vs NL ties in round one and two. I think the numbers here would have a chance of increasing if all 9 of these ties in each of the past 3 years were against FD instead of PD clubs.

Results in the Waterford and Sligo games has made the shootout loss to Shels much tougher in retrospect.
Draw will be very interesting because if any of Shels, Derry and Bohs* draw each other there's a lot of other teams who'll suddenly fancy there chances of making the semis.

And if the non-league clubs were automatically given home advantage, as happens in the French and German cups - might seem a cosmetic measure, but the PD/FD teams having to travel would reduce the gap slightly, even if not levelling the playing field to a huge extent.

[gufct]

Shels highlights didn’t show the 3 penalty shouts and 2 disallowed goals from Fridays game . Would have loved to see them.

[Buckett]

I would guess 99% of non league grounds are unfit to hold any sort of decent crowds

[Buckett]

Shels highlights didn’t show the 3 penalty shouts and 2 disallowed goals from Fridays game . Would have loved to see them.

Nothing stopping you from watching the game back on LOITV. Our first penalty shout was a blatant dive and Jimmy should've been booked. Cunningham also blocked a cross with his hand.

[TonyD]

That's a shocking result for sligo. The form team in the country, they could have strolled into the final considering who's left in.
Delighted for Finner who's a good bloke.
Unless Bohs meet Sligo or Derry in the final it's going to be sub 15k attendance at the final

Hopefully it will be 2 out of Derry Bohs and Shels in the final, and even then, I don’t think it will get anywhere near last seasons crowd. It’s a shame, we need the cup final to be a major occasion every year. What was the attendance for Derry/Shels 2 years ago ? Maybe a Dublin Derby of Bohs/Shels might craw a good crowd.

[joey B]

Hopefully it will be 2 out of Derry Bohs and Shels in the final, and even then, I don’t think it will get anywhere near last seasons crowd. It’s a shame, we need the cup final to be a major occasion every year. What was the attendance for Derry/Shels 2 years ago ? Maybe a Dublin Derby of Bohs/Shels might craw a good crowd.

Maybe we should just let the teams with the biggest fan bases compete in it then ? The crowd will be the crowd but I hope another group of supporters who haven’t had a good day out recently get to experience one this year…..

[legendz]

Getting ahead of things, but the cup final and playoff final are down for the same weekend.
Don't think it's ever been an issue in the past?

Not yet. AFAIK the playoff final will be rescheduled if a playoff finalist makes the cup final. Some provision like that was mentioned many years ago.

[sbgawa]

Wexford have played two non league teams so far and could be playing athlone, ucd, treaty (maybe kerry :) ) in the quarter final. Luck of the draw

[joey B]

Wexford have played two non league teams so far and could be playing athlone, ucd, treaty (maybe kerry :) ) in the quarter final. Luck of the draw

Ten years ago we got to a semi final by beating Belgrove,Wexford and Avondale in a replay! Got hockeyed in the Semi 6-1 by Pats but it was a catalyst for us and got people engaged again,that was kinda of my point above,big days can make a difference for smaller clubs !

[TonyD]

Ten years ago we got to a semi final by beating Belgrove,Wexford and Avondale in a replay! Got hockeyed in the Semi 6-1 by Pats but it was a catalyst for us and got people engaged again,that was kinda of my point above,big days can make a difference for smaller clubs !

I get where you’re coming from, and of course it’s great for supporters of clubs like Harps to reach a cup final. At the same time though, you can’t deny that, for instance, a Wexford v UCD final would be an awful look for the domestic game. Not saying that the bigger clubs don’t have to earn the right to be there, of course they do. Last year just showed what the league here (and the cup final) could be.

[joey B]

I get where you’re coming from, and of course it’s great for supporters of clubs like Harps to reach a cup final. At the same time though, you can’t deny that, for instance, a Wexford v UCD final would be an awful look for the domestic game. Not saying that the bigger clubs don’t have to earn the right to be there, of course they do. Last year just showed what the league here (and the cup final) could be.

We’ll agree to disagree Tony!

[joey B]

1-1 in Kerry,Kerry’s equaliser looked fairly clearly offside though….

[culloty82]

2-1 to Bohs now, sadly Kerry have been making a habit of conceding soon after scoring, but certainly not out of it yet!

[Bohtastic]

Can't understand how the Kerry commentators could say it was 'just onside' - I guess they might not have a straight face saying it?

Mind you, we're poor - nervy stuff which is unsurprising given our league form.

[Dermobohs]

Wow just seen a replay of the Kerry “goal”.
Ffs it’s two yards off, Neil”the hoop” obviously ****ed off .yet another obvious call missed by a Lino in the loi, truly the worst officials anywhere.
Bohs have been way too slow so far, Kerry doing quite nicely, couple of tidy players there. Some rapid improvement from when I last saw them midway through last season, great to see.

[Bohtastic]

Ah lads, that's a free out? No?

[niallsparky]

Bohs have been terrible and Kerry deserve to be level. Their first goal was definitely offside though.

[Dermobohs]

Ah ffs that’s a blatant push into the keepers back , ffs we’re gettin rode here.
We’re not good by any stretch but holy **** two dodgy goals?

[ger121]

Do Kerry normally have all these camera angles in Mounthawk?

[joey B]

Ryan Kelliher won’t be at Kerry for long ….

[Onapointoforder]

Yeah, some of the comments about the first division standard not looking so smart now. Let's not finish 9th Bohs. The first division standard isn’t great this year, but some of the teams/games in PD are bang average

[Onapointoforder]

Ryan Kelliher won’t be at Kerry for long ….

Another team from from the ‘crap’ first division about to take a PD scalp?

[cláirseach]

Do Kerry normally have all these camera angles in Mounthawk?


Unfortunately not, no. It can often be hard to watch. A hugely improved stream today.

[niallsparky]

Fair play to Kerry for their performance, but this has been another really bad showing from Bohs. Hard to see any direction or progress under Reynolds.

[legendz]

Kerry 2-2 Bohemians at full time. Going to extra time. Brave effort by Kerry in normal time. An improvement on the Drogheda game last year at the same stage.

[Bohtastic]

Jaysus. Kerry goal has some powerful voodoo protecting it.

[legendz]

Going to penalties in MH Park!!

[Johnnie C]

Live commentary on Radio Kerry.
https://www.radiokerry.ie/sport/

[legendz]

2-4 to Bohs on penalties. Kerry bow out of the Cup after a brave effort.

[oriel]

Some really poor pens there by Kerry, lucky escape for Bohs in the end.

I wonder would they have sacked Renny if they had lost? Probably not.

[niallsparky]

Brave from Kerry alright. Bohs penalties were decent

[total hoofball]

Congratulations to Kerry for an incredible effort and making that a captivating game of football. Bohs were pathetic

I still say no matter what level of football lack of preparations for penalty shootouts kill all teams at all levels of football, their two missed penalties with the textbook short run-ups and head down right up until striking the ball

[Dermobohs]

We waste some amount of possession/chances.. totally bossed that game and you never felt a third goal likely.
Fair play Kerry, defended heroically for an hour but poor penalties cost them.

[Shinkicker]

Kerry v Bohs, typical Bohs, score and take your foot off the gas. Kerry equaliser Dodgy(offside) to say the least, but fair play Bohs went up and took the lead. Bohs started with their foot off the gas and BOOM an early second half Kerry goal to make it 2-2 and then Bohs started to play, not great but they were the better team for what remained. Credit to Spain and Kos they were terrific, while Bohs were wasteful. But fcku it we are in the hat, let's hope we get someone worse than Kerry.

[Shearer]

Saw none of today's game but fair play to Kerry, seems they died with their boots on.


Ryan Kelliher won’t be at Kerry for long ….
He's just a good First Division player imo, nothing wrong with that either.

Kerry have him tied down for next season I believe

[legendz]

Ryan Kelliher won’t be at Kerry for long ….
He's just a good First Division player imo, nothing wrong with that either.

Kerry have him tied down for next season I believe
I think it would take a Premier Division club or the current 8th and 9th clubs suffering a surprise relegation for Kelliher to move. Gaxha going to Galway was understandable.