Mayo Junior Soccer

[The Don]

Glad that mossy could join us again, must have been on his hols. Yes it looks likely the heane shall lose a point. But please dont refer to it as abusing the ref as it was more like denting his ego. I have never seen a referee write so many reports, the league will have to open a libary to store them in. I think the Wesport lads will know who Im on about. Teachers eh!!!!

[gnasher]

Gnasher says: The don, any chance of your mafioso boys taking that ref for a walk in concrete shoes? Only messing, we have to just get on with it I guess.

On the subject of the Mayo League Administration committee, I agree totally with Mossy, the dinosaurs have to go, new blood with an idea of what is good for all football clubs in Mayo and not just focussed the reputation of the Mayo League itself is needed. After all, what is the league without it's clubs?

The under 21 and Oscar Traynor dictats have only served to copper fasten the bad feeling betwen clubs and administrators and has also shown they are way out of touch.

Let's march on Milebush!!!

[short_frank]

Was talking to a "well known" referee at the weekend and he was telling me that things are getting so bad with certain clubs that there is talk of boycotts. I also heard that Martin Roughneen is talking about calling it a day because of abuse.

We really need to sort out the referee problem. There are players and officials that I have seen giving totally uncalled for abuse because they don't agree with decisions. I have been on the end of bad refereeing decisions myself eg:- a player from my club was being booked and while this was happening and play had stopped the opposing team took a free and put it in the net and the referee gave the goal.
We turned up to a once big club in our away shirts and they were the same colour as the other club who didn't have a second kit and the referee allowed the game to go ahead even telling us that we were wrong because we didn't bring a second kit with us.

The one thing though that I would never do is direct abuse at the ref because lets face it who else will do the job, most certainly not me. How do we solve the problems arising and keep the few ref's we have.

[gnasher]

Short Frank - Mr. Roughneen should give up the game if his heart is no longer in it. If you're not passionate about soccer and your club then you probably will get on very well with the typr of referee we have in Mayo. Lets face it, some of them are damn well useless.

The aforementioned senor has his bad days also, I have seen him on more than one occasion fail to give decisions to teams which they were blatantly entitled to. I'm talking Blind Man stuff here, you could decide because of the sound of the 'challenge' alone, you would'nt have needed to see it.

There are probably a few who can get up and down the pitch with the pace of the game and that is a big factor, you can see more and are closer to the action, the result : more correct decisions, less hassle from fans and players, everyone happy.

I would always stop short of abusing the ref in a personal manner but I think arguing or roaring because a decision has gone against you is part of every sport. It's not like the ref is going into the game not knowing that he may get hassle depending on his decisions, they are getting paid for it as well, more often than not by the fans who pay to come see the match.

It's fair to say we give most ref's a bad time but i think their performances should be reviewed and if they are seen to be incompetent for bigger games they can be sent to Lacken or Kilmore every other sunday as punishment, there has to be accountability in every profession, be it part-time or not.

[swinfordfc]

Erris lost under 18 connacht semi final last night to sligo rovers last night 2-0 shame that hope they win it but that how it goes

[OscarBravo]

You're right, there's probably not enough talk about other divisions.
Re: collaspe of Urlaur and Ballyvary. Urlaur are an old team with no new players coming on stream in what is a small area. It was always going to happen. Pity though all the same.
Ballyvary came down from a bad year in the Super League and lost a lot of players. Their best player, Declan Flynn, went to Snugboro, Joe Denilson will testify to his worth. Also they lost Cormac Jennings back to Manulla, Gary Costello to S & F and Colm Carney to retirement to name just some. They seem to have a very young team this year but will struggle to stay in the Premier. However the club as a whole is going well so there won't be any Urlaur type collapse.
Derek Glynn I presume is one of the Claremorris strikers? Well he is good enough for Super League so putting him in among Division One defences is akin to throwing a fox into a chicken shed.
It will be very interesting yet to see who gets promoted from Premier. ****** B will take the title but, save for a change in rules, they will not be promoted. I think Ballyglass and possibly Fahy could be the teams to watch. However I don't know if either are ready for the Super league and the teams getting relegated from the Super, likely Swinford and Glenhest at this stage, will probably come straight back up in their place (thats if Glenhest can keep their players).

[Closed Account]

Gnasher says: "the 'boro are a cup team this year now because ye are safe from the drop."

Westaro Super Cup Semi-Final
Ballyheane 0-2 Snugboro United

I have to say I was slightly offended by the term "cup team". Maybe Snugboro came into this league with no more expectations than survival and maybe a good cup run. But ambitions can change. Snugboro have beaten nearly every side in the league this season, and have only lost twice, and both of those by the odd goal in three. Snugboro are looking at this league exactly the same as other sides in the shake-up, and that is, a Westport collapse aside, no one else has a chance. As you said yourself, the league table doesn't lie and Snugboro are a lot more than a cup team.

[Closed Account]

And the Celts beat the Manulla, Manulla, Manulla 1-0 so it's an all Castlebar final on the 14th of October? That was when it was scheduled at the start of the season?


"Ballyvary came down from a bad year in the Super League and lost a lot of players. Their best player, Declan Flynn, went to Snugboro, Joe Denilson will testify to his worth."

Too true Oscar, Declan Flynn has been brilliant this year. And Michael Wallace the keeper has been world class. He pulled off two of the best saves I've ever seen in person against Ballyheane last night.

Derek Glynn and Danny Broderick are the Claremorris strikers aren't they? I remember Derek was brilliant when on the Mayo U-21 panel a couple of years ago. Claremorris pipped Snugboro to Premier Division promotion 3 years ago. Shows how much progress the Boro have made. Would Glynn ever leave Claremorris?

The only reason Division 2B seems to be competitive is because of the lack of quality. For anyone to drop points to Castlebar United or Swinford B is a problem. Partry seem to be the only good side in it.

Anyway I'm off to convalesce for another while.

[gnasher]

Gnasher says; Joe, you stay up really late at night to have a pop at me. I apologise if my statement that 'snugboro are a good cup team this year' offended you. Some teams in the mayo league would cut off their left ones to get a pop at the final. I always said I hope ye go on and win it but will you get mad at me if I say your team then may have a great chance of glory in the connacht cup? Get over yourself.

One good run in the super league does not make a good team.
Seems like ye have pinched a few players from other sides anyway, so do you have a team full of 'real' snugboro players? Or are ye as bad as the hoops over the road?

So much for friendly fire.

[swinfordfc]

hey boro man :eek:

With regards to division 2b as you said any team is bad by losing points to swinford b well party lost twice to swinford b 4 - 2 in partry in league and 5-1 in one leg of mcdonnell cup so be abit more respectable :D

well done to snugboro in reaching westaro super cup final now go on and win it no good reaching a final in my book!!!!! :cool:

any results on the super league games play last night?

[swinfordfc]

oh another thing boro man :D

i do believe swinford b did beat snugboro b in AIB Cup game in snugboro 4 -1 earlier in this season too :cool:

[gnasher]

Gnasher says; Bet snugboro b are not being defended with as much zest as the a's by mister denilson. Figures.

Westport 4 - 3 Ballina Town.

Lucky escape for the port guys. Still ravaged with injuries, 2 zip down at half time, five goals in second half. Vinny O'Malley netted winner form all of a yard from a corner in the last minute of injury time. the place went bezerk. Unlucky on Ballina, definitely deserved the draw.

See that Joe, some teams do come and play football in westport.

Enough of that now, I'm doing a few predictions if ye don't mind.

Ballina 1 - 1 Castlebar
Ballyheane 2 - 1 Snugboro
Manulla 5 - 0 Swinford
S&F 4 - 1 Glenhest
Westport 1 - 0 Erris Utd

[The Don]

Ballina 2 - 1 Castlebar
Ballyheane 1 - 1 Snugboro
Manulla 3 - 0 Swinford
S&F 2 - 1 Glenhest
Westport 2 - 0 Erris Utd

Joe have you watched the quality of football being played in your b teams division this year hardly premiership stuff! Anyway the standard of nearly all but a handfull of teams outside the super league is on a par and the gap is growing.

[swinfordfc]

so westport bet ballina last night wasn't there another game last night? anyone a result on it?

[swinfordfc]

Ballina 1 - 2 Castlebar
Ballyheane 1 - 2 Snugboro
Manulla 2 - 0 Swinford
S&F 2 - 0 Glenhest
Westport 2 - 0 Erris Utd

[OscarBravo]

Haven't done it in weeks so am way off but sure I'll give it another go

Ballina Town 2-3 ******
Ballyheane 1-1 Snugboro
Manulla 4-1 Swinford
S & F 2-0 Glenhest
Westport 3-0 Erris

PS
Think a few of ye are being harsh on Denilson. Snugboro are a small club and for them to be in the Super League at all is a fair achievement, for them to be competitive in same makes them second only to Westport in terms of achievement this year.
Can't wait for the mother and father of Westaro Cup finals too.
As for accusations of them 'taking players' I do believe players are allowed play for whoever they want. ****** have players from outside the town, Westport have two new guys in Harney and Quigley, S & F have Fergal O'Hara from Sligo and Erris even recruited Crossmolina's Brian Benson last year. Ballyheane have Joey Maloney, Manulla Michael D McNamara and Des Campbell, need I go on? It the way of the world

[Closed Account]

Sorry Gnasher, I wasn't trying to stir anything. I can't help it if I take offence from the term "cup team". You have since changed to "good cup team" which might not have offended me in the first place. Well done to Westport last night. Your assessment that we didn't play football against ye in Westport is correct, however we had a few injuries aswell and we certainly didn't go out with the intention of camping in our own half. It was just the way the game panned out. And we adapted our game to get the best result we could. It was different the next night when we went deservedly 3-0 up.

Division 2A is probably worse than 2B to be fair, at least 2B is competitive. It's been tough to defend the Boro B team lately, i mean they lost to Hollister. When they lost to Swinford B, they only had 9 players as the A Team called up players to avoid them being cup tied and in the end the manager ended up playing centre back. Swinford did play well that day though. But why did they lose 4-0 to Castlebar United at home?

Do people think that clubs should only play players who live in the area? It's definately a good idea in underage. But with the gap between Super League and the rest getting bigger(****** A Vs B!), shouldn't the best players in Mayo all be playing in the Super League? It's interesting the Limerick Junior League have started a thread called "transfer rumours" because of the amount of transfers in the close season of their league. And the LDMC is widely viewed as the best junior league in the country. Everybody in the Boro B team is from the Boro and hopefully they will graduate to the A Team in following seasons.

Anyway I won't be posting under the influence any more if this is the sort of reaction I get.


Predictions:
Ballina 3 - 2 Castlebar
Ballyheane 0 - 2 Snugboro
Manulla 3 - 0 Swinford
S&F 2 - 0 Glenhest
Westport 1 - 1 Erris Utd

[gnasher]

Gnasher says: Hey joe, no bother mon. I was only having a cheeky dig as is my nature. If i'd had known I was gonna get my knuckles wrapped by Monsieur Oscar then I would have kept my mouth shut. After all, we are on this forum to discuss our respective teams in the best league in Connacht so if it gets a little *****ly at times that is only healthy for the forum. reading some posts on other threads you'd think we were a crowd of sissies sometimes, but not all the time.

Gnasher was put on this forum to stir it up. Again, not all the time. :)

Apologies if I insulted anyone or their respective teams. About time someone from Castelbar Hoops got involved on this thread so I can have a nemesis!

if you know of anyone interested, let them know! :D

[The Don]

I think your chances of getting one of the ****** boys on here are slim gnasher. Remember they only sing when their winning!

[FahyForever]

Good to see more interest in the other divisions in the league being generated! Fahy had a really good 3-1 win over Killala on Thursday night which leaves them clear 2nd in the Premier. The division is interesting in that a lot of teams seen capable of taking points off each other but nobody apart from the 'B boys can sustain any sort of long-term consistency. Some of the replies people sent to my query on opinions regarding the difference in standards between the divisions were very accurate; to do it in the Super league, you have to be able to mix it up a bit. Snugboro are perfect examples; we played them in a Mayo cup semi-final which we lost on penalties and felt there was very little between us, but they were the only team we had played who matched our desire. They were totally up for it and never lost concentration or let their energy levels flag. It's difficult not to respect them, and their performances in the Super league have only reinforced upon teams in our division what is really required to stay up once you get there. The alarming thing is that the top division seems to be improving every year. A trip to Snugboro next season seems a lot more imposing than a trip to Glenhest. There is a pattern emerging recently in Mayo, in which teams start to go in one direction and then gather momentum. We have won two divisions in three years and are hopeful of promotion. Mulranny have gone up twice in a row. Achill and Ballyvary have gone the other direction. It would be exceptionally difficult for a team coming out of the premier to stay up, but having fitness, hunger,and a good team spirit is a sound start.

Derek Glynn from Claremorris is scoring goals for fun in the 1st division, but it might prove tougher next year. He uses quick thinking and pace to beat defenders and invariably bears in on goal. It's effective, but smarter defenders might catch on early in the game.

[Thunderblaster]

Ballina 2-1 Castlebar
Ballyheane 1-2 Snugboro
Manulla 2-0 Swinford
S&F 3-0 Glenhest
Westport 3-2 Erris Utd

[swinfordfc]

joe denilson

your right
the swinford b team are the funniest bunch of players i seen !
they are brilliant one game and then the rubbish they play the next game oh my god :D they play ballyheane a team and lost 2-0 but it could have easily been a draw at the end, ballyheane was only missing peter burke then they played the bally heane b team and guess what they lost 5-2 what the common sense in that?????? :eek:

against castlebar united that day i believe thay was crap ! :cool:

[Closed Account]

Elvery's Super League

Ballyheane 1-1 Snugboro United

Really bad game of football, very little chances, Ballyheane deserved to win, Snugboro scored in last minute.

[Mpndo]

Ballina 2-1 Castlebar
Ballyheane 1-2 Snugboro
Manulla 2-0 Swinford
S&F 3-0 Glenhest
Westport 3-2 Erris Utd

Doe anyone else find these predictions really annoying!!!!

[dahamsta]

Put them in a separate thread then. We have a whole forum for eL predictions, I don't know why posters in the JL are so keen to put everything into one thread.

adam

[Closed Account]

Done.

[short_frank]

I have been at a few Division 2B games and always make a point to see Partry/Swinford games as you can guarantee goals. I was at both Swinford wins over Partry this year and I don't think swinfordfc gave the full story.
In both games the Partry keeper was sent off. The cup game after Swinford won 4-2 Partry beat Swinford 6-1. The cup team that beat Partry 5-1 bore no resemblence to the league team. I was at the Swinford/Ballyheane super league game a few weeks later and I saw a few of that cup team on the Swinford A team.

Is it fair for ****** B to not be allowed promotion if as expected they win their division?

[The Don]

****** have been involved in this situation before, last time they decided not to form a seperate committee which would have allowed them into the super league. If ****** were allowed into the super league in any other way there would be a chance of collusion between their two teams.

[swinfordfc]

Whats the two super league games down for thursday?

[mossy]

The Champs Port travel to the unpredictable Heane - not their favourite location as have lost their last three visits here and the lucky boro go to nondescript Erris. Expect two draws as the port will find it hard to keep going and the boro will play their effective back to the wall stuff. The boro's results this season have been remarkable, only two defeats both at home to an odd goal in three. Having seen them I think their manager has done wonders to get these results as they work so hard and no prima donna's in sight. Well done indeed. The Celts look like getting second - perhaps a cup as well, maybe two cups - so much for relegation fodder with some of you chaps earlier. And by the way not calling them by their name is like something I would do to allude to the mancs in England - very childish and they do not deserve that compliment yet - if awards are due dare I suggest insult the port,at least they deserve it. Will the Glass survive next Year ? Badly missed in the Super League looking forward to their return

[gnasher]

Gnasher says: Mossy, You is raving man! We can't call them castlebar ****** because the nice men who moderate this class website don't allow any references to ****** as the site is not about bigotry/sectarianism etc and they are also smart enough to know it could become overrun by loonies who know nothing else but exactly that (or maybe it happened ages ago when gnasher was a gnipper), so they have a nice piece of jiggy software that zaps the word into five stars, like this *****. That's why I call them the Hoops, etc. No disrespect to Shamrock rovers fans.

I mentioned the relegation fodder thing, you have a good memory, but stall your digger right there. Anyone with half a leukocyte would know that it was never going to happen and that I was just dreaming, I am allowed to dream, am I? Gavin Dykes is going to do a good job on them, even me blind granny can see that!

Phew! Do you know how to have a laugh or what?

[short_frank]

Anyone have any thoughts on the promotion/relegation issues throughout the league now that we are coming towards the run in. Who will go up or down and will they survive if promoted or will they bounce straight back if relegated?

[The Don]

If Fahy rovers go up, do they have facilities to play in the super league.

[mossy]

Well good to hear I got a response from you. Indeed it did look for a while that the county town team where in serious trouble and if the hest and swinford were any good at all then that may have occured however the heane keeper let them in and they have never looked back since however they are a long way off from being a good team yet and their footie is as boring as ever. I think Jack Charlton must be fishing in the county town as both them and the boro like to hoof in contrast to the port and erris for example. Any thoughts on the Two Games tonight then gnasher my old funny bunny !!!!!

[gnasher]

gathers no mossy!

I concur on all your points. Unusual, I know.

Yeah, tonights games. Mmmm, the Heane V's Westport will be a cracker I reckon. Westport to shade it or at worst a draw. (Still hammered with injuries, boo-hoo!). They are a bogey team for us after all.

Erris to beat Snugboro. Funny you should say that about Erris playing the ball on the deck. It's the first few years for many of their lads (the U-18 champs) playing junior soccer, and they will get used to the 'robustness' and pace of the game in the super league. I cannot begin to countenance what type of a team they'll be when they get used to it. They have some very good players. Again, this will be good for the league. It won't be long before the bonfires are lit in the barony again, methinks!

[Superman]

Any scores from the matches last night?

[gnasher]

Ballyheane 1 - 0 Westport

Divisonal Cup Semi-Finals

Claremorris 2 - 0 Inver Utd
Westport Utd B 2 - 0 Kiltimagh/Knock Utd

Sort of a good day / bad day for westport utd. Still, Ballyheane are good at taking points from them.

Spices the league up a bit!

[Closed Account]

Erris 2-1 Snugboro.

Spices up the league even more. Erris level with Westport now?

[swinfordfc]

When finally are them points being given to westport as every paper or website have not given them points to erris yet?

[Closed Account]

In the Mayo News this week, they had deducted Westport and awarded the points to Erris. I doubt they would of published it unless it was 100% so thats good enough for me.

Super League Table (http://www.leaguerepublic.com/gen/Index.do?division=8595266)

What do you make of the 2005 Sports Capital Grant allocations?

Mayo

Aghamore GAA Club €19,000
Ballinrobe GAA Club €80,000
Ballyhaunis G.A.A. Club €150,000
Bonniconlon GAA Club €15,000
Castlebar Handball Club €35,000
Castlebar Mitchels GAA Club €140,000
Crossmolina AFC €18,000
Crossmolina GAA Community Centre €75,000
Glenans Irish Sailing Club €40,000
Killala Sports and Social Club €70,000
Kiltimagh/Knock United Soccer Club €80,000
Knockmore Rathduff Economic and Social Development Co. €80,000
Manulla Sporting Club €200,000
Mayo Yacht Club t/a Mayo Sailing Club €50,000
Moy Villa Football Club €70,000
Partry Athletic FC €35,000
Rooskey Community Council €15,000
Snugboro United Football Club €100,000
Swinford Soccer Club €50,000


Snugboro are fairly happy, i'd say Manulla are aswell.





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[Thunderblaster]

Knockmore Rathduff Economic and Social Development Co. €80,000

What sport do they play? Is it developing social skills amongst the natives? :D

[Closed Account]

Castlebar ****** 4-1 Snugboro United

Outplayed.

[Closed Account]

Westport 1-0 S&F
Erris 1-1 Ballina Town
Manulla 2-3 Ballyheane

Did anyone hear about the ****** C-Ballyheane B abandonment yesterday?
Apparently Referree Loftus, turned down a stone wall penalty for ******. The Ballyheane manager was at a wedding or something, so someone was camcordering the match. So the ****** managers/supporters or whatever were saying "It's all on tape Harry, you'll see it was a penalty". Then Harry goes over to them, says, Your not bringing me up to any discipliniary hearings etc... And then he abandoned the game. It's probably not the whole story but if it's in any way true, it's a further indictment of the refereeing in the Mayo League.

[mossy]

Well the Celts are at it again and a referee had the balls to say enough is enough and walk off. Have any of ye witnessed the vitriol that pours forth from their supporters. It is incredibly rude and the port are heading the same way - However these are probably just the johnny come lately's. But seriously the ****** grounds are full of loud mouthed gits and the quicker the club runs them the better !!!!!

[gnasher]

Gnasher says: That a match was abandoned for that is very unfortunate. That ref. is an alright guy, he's been at the game for years so why he did it is beyond me. He may have thrown a wobbly but he should know by now that the Mayo League are about as technologically advanced as a toilet brush! They would not have a clue how to use video evidence and I seriously doubt it if they could even be bothered. They're too busy trying to ban players for exorbitant amounts of time and telling teams that 'we're taking your players for the U-21 side that we love' and 'ye can all bugger off'.

If ref's start dropping out cos' of abuse it will mean the end of the league for all but the top teams, now that would be a shambles that even the Mayo League would want to avoid. (I think).

On the subject of giving ref's abuse, we all do it so get down off that high donkey you're on Mr. Mossy. Granted the level of abuse varies but it all depends on how it's said and who hears it. It's true that the townies may have more colourful language with which to abuse the ref. but believe me, I'm not going to stop because they've suddenly come over all sensitive. Some of the stuff you see the ref's let go would drive you to drink turpentine (never mind Smithwicks!), so some abuse is warranted. I've seen numerous occasions this season where ref's turn a blind eye to serious foul play because they don't like (or maybe are jealous) of the team they are refereeing. This sounds like sour grapes but just ask any supporter and they'll concur. Do Eircom League ref's need counselling? No. Fair enough they may get paid more than our ref's but they know they'll get some abuse do they just get on with it.

End of the day - match officials in Mayo get paid (supporters usually pay for this with gate and lotto etc.) so why should they keep quiet? If it was totally voluntary then it's a different story, they have every right to walk away.

Until then, they just have to grow thicker skin and stop being afraid of what the gimps in the Mayo League will do to them if they give that last minute penalty or sending off (even if it's the right decision).

I'm seriously thinking of complaining myself. The ref's are giving me a repetitive strain injury in my wrist from typing!!!!!!!!

[the 12 th man]

lads,
keep it civil or the thread gets locked.

[swinfordfc]

Lads,
we got a nice right up in the mayo news today i think we all got a mention well done Mayo news :)

[swinfordfc]

Swinford v Snugboro game (last 40 mins) to be play again after ref amitted mistake in sending off player - lads what ye think of that?

[gnasher]

I think the Snugboro coach was right in what he said. It sets a dangerous precedent. I suppose it means a lot to both sides given their respective places in the table but is it really the best solution?

What was the score of the game anyway? A draw?

[swinfordfc]

Snugboro won it 1-0 was 1 up when sending off took place