Attendances

[trevy]

About 1500 at Waterford United v Shelbourne on wednesday night.

[gufct]

much overstated here.The night we played them there was less than 500 at the western derby smallest crowd ive ever seen in the showgrounds for this game.

Bray.Harps and Dundalk crowds also seem vastly overstated im sure some of their fans would come up with more realistic figures.

[corkharps]

Harps figures are underestimated if anything, couldn't be much lower!Drastic drop from last year. :mad:

[manic da hoop]

Where do those figures come from? With the exception of Cork (and possibly Drogheda), I reckon they are all inflated. And how come they are ALL down on last year's - surely Drogheda's crowds are bigger now than ever before. For Rovers, I would say our average for this season has been roughly 8-900.

[Daxion]

Dundalk v Sligo (3-2)
Thurs Nights Attendance 700 according to sligorovers.com

[pineapple stu]

Where do those figures come from? With the exception of Cork (and possibly Drogheda), I reckon they are all inflated. And how come they are ALL down on last year's - surely Drogheda's crowds are bigger now than ever before.

Most of the figurs are fan guesstimates by necessity, except Bohs (official) and Drogs (half are official). An official average for Pat's was posted and was 200 over what was here. That's the only guide to how correct the attendances are unfortunately. In the First, Galway's are official and UCD's are accurate. It's far from perfect, but until the FAI start releasing attendances, it's the best we can do.

The reason they're all down is because I'm deliberately trying to keep the figures conservative and will pick the lowest reasonable figure (i.e. if the attendance is put at 1500-1750, I'll put in 1500). I didn't do this thread last year, and I don't think that was applied then. A fair few Star figures got into the system as well...! 2005 attendances should be comparable to 2004 and will be better for telling if attendances are up or down.

[Sheridan]

At least 1800 at Dublin City vs. Bohs.

[pineapple stu]

800-1000 at Bray-UCD. Keep it at 800 to keep conservative.

[pineapple stu]

Never posted this after last weekend, so here's the updates up to the 5th. This weekend's matches not in yet. (Last season in brackets)


PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs 2577 (2625) (missing Rovers - approx 2600)
Cork 3850 (4147)
Derry 1875 (2265)
Drogheda 1496 (1662) (missing Shels and Rovers)
Dublin City 678
Longford 1200 (1586)
Pat's 2004 (2971) (missing Bohs, Rovers and Waterford)
Rovers 1255 (2038) (missing Cork)
Shels 2044 (2573) (missing Rovers)
Waterford 1883 (2520) (missing Dublin City)

FIRST DIVISION
Athlone 337 (missing Cobh, Galway, Kildare, Limerick and Sligo)
Bray 945 (missing Monaghan)
Cobh 220 (missing Bray, Kildare, Kilkenny, Limerick, Monaghan and Sligo)
Dundalk 708
Harps 791
Galway 597 (missing Kildare)
Kildare 256 (missing Galway and Monaghan)
Kilkenny 114 (missing Cobh, Harps, Kildare, Limerick, Monaghan and Sligo)
Limerick 207 (missing Bray, Cobh, Kildare, Kilkenny and Monaghan)
Monaghan 138 (missing Athlone, Kildare and Kilkenny)
Sligo 797 (missing Harps)
UCD 317 (783)


Weekend matches missing -

Rovers v. Cork
Pat's v. Bohs

[pineapple stu]

264 at UCD v. Athlone.

[TheSaint2002]

about 300-400 max at the rovers v dub city game

[Terry]

Galway 597 (missing Kildare)


around 450 from my records

[pineapple stu]

around 450 from my records

Sorry, Terry, that should be Kilkenny, not Kildare. My mistake!

[Carlin]

Bohs 2577 (2625) (missing Rovers - approx 2600)


Bohs-Rovers 2423 official from last night's programme.

[Stevo Da Gull]

Cobh V Bray- 250
Same for Bray V Monoghan I'd say.

[wakenuppaddy]

I see you are missing a few of the games involving Harps;
Sligo (a) July : 650 (250-300 Harps fans)
Kilkenny (a) March : 80 (15 Harps fans)
Kilkenny (a) 18 Sept : 109 (40 Harps fans)
Keep up the good work. :ball:

[dortie]

2,000 at Derry v Waterford (Before it was called off)

[Terry]

Sorry, Terry, that should be Kilkenny, not Kildare. My mistake!

around 700

[pineapple stu]

Updates after last weekend. Last season in brackets. I've not included Derry v. Waterford as the game is to be replayed.


PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs 2564 (2625) (missing Cork)
Cork 3850 (4147)
Derry 1875 (2265)
Drogheda 1496 (1662) (missing Longford, Shels and Rovers)
Dublin City 678
Longford 1200 (1586)
Pat's 2004 (2971) (missing Bohs, Rovers and Waterford)
Rovers 1188 (2038) (missing Cork)
Shels 2044 (2573) (missing Rovers)
Waterford 1883 (2520) (missing Dublin City)

FIRST DIVISION
Athlone 337 (missing Cobh, Galway, Kildare, Limerick and Sligo)
Bray 888
Cobh 225 (missing Bray (first round of matches), Kildare, Kilkenny, Limerick, Monaghan and Sligo)
Dundalk 708
Harps 791
Galway 605
Kildare 256 (missing Galway and Monaghan)
Kilkenny 108 (missing Cobh, Kildare, Limerick, Monaghan and Sligo)
Limerick 207 (missing Bray, Cobh, Kildare, Kilkenny and Monaghan)
Monaghan 138 (missing Athlone, Kildare and Kilkenny)
Sligo 784 (missing Galway)
UCD 313 (783)

Weekend matches missing -

Bohs v. Cork
Drogheda v. Longford
Monaghan v. Kildare
Limerick v. Dundalk
Sligo v. Galway

[Poor Student]

Are they average attendences Stu? Is the whole Premier League down about 20% or is it mainly because of matches you couldn't add in? If so why are attendences actually dropping?

[tiktok]

Cork 3850 (4147)

:eek:
While still the biggest attendance, that's quite a drop.
Very disappointing.

[Dr.Nightdub]

Dunno if you already got it Stu, but there was about 1000, maybe 1200 max, at Shels v Pats on Monday night.

[Dr.Nightdub]

Just noticed you're missing a couple of our other ones:

Pats v Rovers: 1800
Pats v Bohs: 2500
Dunno about Pats v Waterford, I missed it.

[pineapple stu]

Are they average attendences Stu? Is the whole Premier League down about 20% or is it mainly because of matches you couldn't add in? If so why are attendences actually dropping?

Attendances are down for some teams definitely, but I think some of it has to do with the fact that I'm trying to keep attendances conservative and will always pick the lowest reasonable attendance for any one game (e.g. Shels-Pat's from Dr Nightdub is in at 1,000). I didn't do this last year, and a different way of recording attendances may have been used. Next season will tell if this is the case.

Interesting that the only club to have provided official attendances this year and last is Bohs, who are down 60 or so. That may be more realistic. However, whether this year is too low or last year is too high, I don't know.

[Poor Student]

Right, so the previous years' figures were also put together by you, so they're not the most accurate either? Bohs apart I mean. Why don't clubs publish official figures? Is that not a UEFA directive?

Also where do you get UCD's from? And what does that 50% slash really mean? Is it mainly due to the absence of away support especially Dublin? How has the actual UCD support been affected by relegation?

[Slash/ED]

Why don't clubs publish official figures? Is that not a UEFA directive?


The clubs have to send the exact figures to the FAI but they don't have to publish them unfortunately. I've no idea why they don't.

[pineapple stu]

Right, so the previous years' figures were also put together by you, so they're not the most accurate either? Bohs apart I mean. Why don't clubs publish official figures? Is that not a UEFA directive?

Also where do you get UCD's from? And what does that 50% slash really mean? Is it mainly due to the absence of away support especially Dublin? How has the actual UCD support been affected by relegation?

I think it was TommyT who put the thread together - it'll be still there if you want to trawl through the forum. He may have given more leeway in which of two attendances to take. Also, the Star had more input last year - enough said! It is part of UEFA Licencing to issue attendances, but I (and others) e-mailed them and they said that there were no plans to release the attendances. I got the impression that clubs simply weren't complying.

UCD's attendances are by means of that good old-fashioned method - counting them... The drop is mainly - almost exclusively, in fact - a lack of away support. I'd say the home support is up slightly. In the 2001/02 season, we had three home games in front of 100 people - our worst this season was 50% (or 50 people...!) up on that, with the drawbacks of the game not being on our usual day (the Cobh game was on the Sunday), a Bank Holiday, the press giving details wrong and Dublin playing in Croke Park against Roscommon. So it's slow, but seems to be improving. In fact, they were getting notably better until Mr Doolin lost nine games in a row (but didn't relegate us...!)

[Schumi]

Also where do you get UCD's from?The high-tech method of me counting them!

And what does that 50% slash really mean? Is it mainly due to the absence of away support especially Dublin? How has the actual UCD support been affected by relegation?
Hard to tell obviously but if you consider that 44% home games last year were against the other Dublin teams and take an average of 1000 for those, adding that to this year's figures would give an average of 618, not too far off last year's figure. This is before you think about the extra number of away fans the other premier clubs would bring compared to the likes of (and no disrespect intended here!) Kilkenny, Monaghan, Limerick, Cobh, etc. Including that drop, probably not far off 100 a game, there isn't a huge difference between this year's and last year's numbers.

[Poor Student]

The high-tech method of me counting them!

Hard to tell obviously but if you consider that 44% home games last year were against the other Dublin teams and take an average of 1000 for those, adding that to this year's figures would give an average of 618, not too far off last year's figure. This is before you think about the extra number of away fans the other premier clubs would bring compared to the likes of (and no disrespect intended here!) Kilkenny, Monaghan, Limerick, Cobh, etc. Including that drop, probably not far off 100 a game, there isn't a huge difference between this year's and last year's numbers.

Actually it's worth factoring something else in. UCD got a very rough deal with the fixture list this year. Our three title/promotion rivals Finn Harps, Bray Wanderers and Kildare County were all handed the advanatge of playing twice at home against us and only once away. This advantage was also extended to Dundalk meaning we only had home advantage twice against one top half side that being Galway United. Now given the proximity of those clubs (barring Harps) and the chances of those clubs doing anything meaningful this year (barring Dundalk) this means we were denied a bit more of an away support and has given us a much harder road to promotion. Perhaps if it was the other way around more away fans and indeed home fans may have come this year. And we may been top at the moment!

[Schumi]

Don't forget though that the current figures include one home game against each team (Athlone apart) and so are probably a fairer comparison to last year's.

[Terry]

Weekend matches missing -


Sligo v. Galway

around 400 at that match, and the same for GUFC v Limerick

[Sonic]

There was a good crowd in the Jodi last nite for the tantilising encounter of longford town vs bohemians, better than what does be at flanscare park :ball:

[De Town]

Weekend matches missing -

Drogheda v. Longford

1800ish.

Bohs - Longford last night, 1500-1600.

[corkharps]

Harps v UCD 1200 approx

[Carlin]

Weekend matches missing -

Bohs v. Cork


1829 official from last nights programme.

Bohs-Longford 1600-1800 estimate. Will get the official attendance for it in the next programme.

[Roo69]

1829 official from last nights programme.

Bohs-Longford 1600-1800 estimate. Will get the official attendance for it in the next programme.

Bray Vs. Sligo - 700

[pineapple stu]

Got a fair few there already, so will post the update after the weekend. Last season in brackets. All missing matches are in the first round of matches unless stated.

EDIT - Updated for ColinR's Drogheda attendances below.

PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs 2436 (2625) (missing Longford, but unofficially in at 1500)
Cork 3850 (4147)
Derry 1875 (2265)
Drogheda 1524 (1662)
Dublin City 678 (missing Cork)
Longford 1200 (1586) (missing Derry)
Pat's 2026 (2971) (missing Waterford)
Rovers 1188 (2038) (missing Cork and Shels)
Shels 1940 (2573) (missing Rovers)
Waterford 1883 (2520) (missing Dublin City)

FIRST DIVISION
Athlone 337 (missing Cobh, Galway, Kildare, Kilkenny (Round 2), Limerick, Monaghan (2) and Sligo)
Bray 873
Cobh 225 (missing Bray, Kildare, Kilkenny, Limerick, Monaghan and Sligo)
Dundalk 708 (missing Monaghan (2))
Harps 825 (missing Cobh (2))
Galway 590
Kildare 256 (missing Cobh (2), Galway, Limerick (2) and Monaghan)
Kilkenny 108 (missing Cobh, Kildare, Limerick, Monaghan and Sligo)
Limerick 207 (missing Bray, Cobh, Dundalk (2), Kildare, Kilkenny and Monaghan)
Monaghan 138 (missing Athlone, Kildare (both games) and Kilkenny)
Sligo 752
UCD 313 (783)

PREMIER DIVISION AVERAGE - 1857 (2331)
FIRST DIVISION AVERAGE - 508

Weekend matches missing -

Dublin City v. Cork City
Drogheda v. Waterford
Derry v. Pat's
Athlone v. Kilkenny
Dundalk v. Monaghan
Kildare v. Cobh

[ColinR]

just estimates for the missing drogs games:

V shels 1300
v rovers 1900
v waterford 1400 (drog indo might have official crowd in wednesdays paper)

[eamoss]

Thu 01.04 Dundalk v Monaghan United - 1,100
Thu 23.09 Dundalk v Monaghan United - 400

[brendy_éire]

Derry-Pats from last week - 2,000.

[ColinR]

just estimates for the missing drogs games:

V shels 1300
v rovers 1900
v waterford 1400 (drog indo might have official crowd in wednesdays paper)

1488 drogs v waterford from drog indo

[Stato]

Just noticed you're missing a couple of our other ones:

Pats v Rovers: 1800
Pats v Bohs: 2500
Dunno about Pats v Waterford, I missed it.

Sorry, been away for a while. The official attendances for the last few Pats games were as follows:

Pats v Cork: 1472
Pats v Waterford: 1019
Pats v Rovers: 1828
Pats v Bohs: 2222

Think makes an average of 1935.

[pineapple stu]

324 at UCD v. Galway.

[WindmillWarrior]

After seeing a less than full stand (which holds 2,300) in Derry last night I think we can take it that Derry fans are the kings of exaggeration on this thread. If they can't fill it for a Cup Semi-final how can they expect us to believe that they have "nearly" filled it on a number of occasions throughout the season (yes I have read through the thread!). I remember one instance when it was stated that the stand was again "nearly full, with only a couple of hundred empty seats" (ha, same as last night actually!) and when the game highlights were shown on TV3 and the camera panned the ground a half full stand was clearly visible.
And when we played up in Derry there was a crowd of about 1,000 which was backed up in our local paper who always get the official attendance but what the Derry fans gave here was 1,700! From first hand experience I can tell you that is some exaggeration.
Now before anyone starts I know our crowds are not great for a team in 2nd (but at least they are accurate and along with Bohs are realistically the only ones that can be taken seriously) and that Derrys (real) crowds aren't bad for the football they have had to put up with this season (brutal last night!) but some of the sh*te on here really bugs me!

[corkharps]

Limerick v Harps attn 75! :o

[manic da hoop]

I think even their stated capacity of 2,300 is an exaggeration. It holds less than 2,000 AFAIK!

[dortie]

I think even their stated capacity of 2,300 is an exaggeration. It holds less than 2,000 AFAIK!

Dont talk crap !...

Seated 2,300....
Standing capacity is almost 700.

As for Windy Miller there....the only seats empty were around the Waterford fans which were reserved by the 5% away rule.

Flancare looked packed out yesterday.... :rolleyes:

[patsh]

Now before anyone starts I know our crowds are not great for a team in 2nd (but at least they are accurate and along with Bohs are realistically the only ones that can be taken seriously) !Take ANYTHING Drogs say as being realistic?
I wouldn't believe Drogs if they told me there was grass on their pitch....:rolleyes:

[WindmillWarrior]

As for Windy Miller there....the only seats empty were around the Waterford fans which were reserved by the 5% away rule.



Not true. You see you can't get away with your exaggerations now as we all have eyes.

[manic da hoop]

[QUOTE=dortie]Dont talk crap !...

Seated 2,300....
Standing capacity is almost 700.
QUOTE]

Either way, it was a pretty poxy crowd on Friday