FAI Invites First Division Expressions of Interest

[Dodge]

Cabinteely statement

http://www.cabinteelyfc.ie/2015/01/chairmans-update-for-club-members/


To all Cabinteely FC members – I’m writing because you may have read in the newspapers about our application for League of Ireland Division 1 status and I wanted to give you a brief update.

We had hoped to have kept this confidential and have an announcement in due course if the license is issued. The press have got wind of our application and discussions with the FAI and hence this communication.

We have agreed in principle with Blackrock RFC that the matches could be played in Stradbrook during the season March to October. Training facilities would also be provided.

We will in due course issue a detailed briefing if the approval comes through and we agree all the relevant matters.
Mark Smith, Chairman

Things could be changing for Cabinteely FC!

[Nesta99]

Having a lot of under age teams in the area is different to having Cabinteely fc under age teams. The kids and by proxy, parents are members of the club who with the existing affinnity could boost attendances. I think thats was spudulika was getting at. If it was as easy as having a schoolboys league where many follow LoI then Dundalk would be attracting significanltly better crowds. It is very likely that some of the coaches at the schoolboys league clubs actively discourage their players from following LoI. These coaches simpley believed that during their playing days were (too) good enough for LoI and when they were found lacking at senior levels they looked for scapegoats rather than acknowledge their own limitations as footballers.

[Mr A]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish/2015/0128/676130-cabinteely-confirm-loi-application/

Plenty of carping about another Dublin club in the league. But we desperately need at least an 8th team plus a third of the league teams coming from Dublin when Dublin has about a third of the population hardly seems massively disproportionate. But at this stage I think a lot of the giving out is just a reflex with no actual thought involved.

[Charlie Darwin]

The reality is that if you're looking for well-run underage clubs who have invested heavily in developing sustainable long-term structures, along the lines of the GAA, then south Dublin is more or less the only place in the country you can look right now. If Cabinteely decide a couple of years down the line it's not for them, I wouldn't be surprised if the candidates to replace them were from south Dublin again rather than Tralee or whoever.

[eitoof]

20 sets of wages/expenses. I just don't get this. I can't see the long term sustainability of this Cabinteely proposal.

[gufcfan]

20 sets of wages/expenses. I just don't get this. I can't see the long term sustainability of this Cabinteely proposal.
You have heard of the FAI before?

[nigel-harps1954]

As long as there's an eighth team, I couldn't care less if they were from Craggy Island. Just glad to see something being sorted, and hopefully some word from the FAI follows about fixture lists.

[Mr A]

It's be good to get a fixture list, so long as it doesn't have to change in mid February when the licenses are issued. Cabinteely may not make the grade, and the there is the potential for other issues as well.

[vinnie]

Cabinteely have in excess of 900 kids on their books, if they can get 20% of those and their Da's to go to home matches they'll be doing fairly ok

[eitoof]

You have heard of the FAI before?

They never cease to amaze....

[Mr A]

Have you seen the Cabinteely proposal?

[SeanDMRooney]

No ? You mean this "Dear Members
I am writing because you may have read in the newspapers about our application for League of Ireland Division 1 status and I wanted to give you a brief update.
We had hoped to have kept this confidential and have had an announcement in due course if the license is issued. The press have got wind of our application and discussions with the FAI and hence this communication.
We have agreed in principle with Blackrock RFC that the matches can be played in Stradbrook during the season March to October. Training facilities will also be provided.
We will in due course issue a detailed briefing if the approval comes through and we agree all the relevant matters.
Regards
Mark Smith
Chairman"

[Mr A]

I was just wondering what people's judgements of the club were based on. Maybe they won't be sustainable and will fold in the first three weeks. But just posting the examples of Mervue and Salthill isn't particularly useful. And in any case neither of those clubs caused any major issues while in the league and Mervue were pretty decent. Jumping into senior is difficult and the odds are against them but it seems a bit early to be sticking the boot into them and the FAI for having them (especially when they have no license yet).

[Charlie Darwin]

Only mention of Mervue and Salthill came about as a result of somebody saying Cabinteely should easily attract 500 to games.

[Mr A]

Fair point- but I have seen them raised elsewhere also.

[Charlie Darwin]

They're in: http://www.sseairtricityleague.ie/news/5844-fai-licensing-committee-awards-first-division-licence-to-cabinteely-fc

[Trainee]

Fixtures are out tomorrow at 2pm

[nigel-harps1954]

Home to Cabinteely first game of the season. Massive away following from our new Dublin friends...

[Charlie Darwin]

Home to Cabinteely first game of the season. Massive away following from our new Dublin friends...
Probably not a bad day to get them, actually.

[disgruntled]

Cabinteely have in excess of 900 kids on their books, if they can get 20% of those and their Da's to go to home matches they'll be doing fairly ok

It would be great if they did come.
If the team start struggling any crowds will soon drop off & that could kill the club.
I wish them luck & hope it succeeds for them.

[jbyrne]

If they do it right, they can be a decent club in a number of years (at LOI level). With such a large number of under age teams they should be bringing in 500 a game and their under 15's now will be ready in 4-5 years etc. Maybe it's a good new sign for the LOI.

not a chance they will get 500 or anywhere near that (with exception of first match novelty factor maybe). Blackrock RFC who they will be sharing with have a long tradition in the area, have a huge schoolboy / girl section as well as about 6 senior teams yet their biggest match of the season so far last weekend didn't get more than 500 I hear. Spectator facilities in Stradbrook are very poor with no shelter at all. Pitch is totally unsuited to football also. I really hope I am wrong but Id say this could be a financial disaster for them.

[nigel-harps1954]

There's a bar in the ground though....everyone will want to play there every week.

[eitoof]

Home to Cabinteely first game of the season. Massive away following from our new Dublin friends...

"Is that all you bring away?"

[outspoken]

Apparently they've been going round to LSL clubs looking for players and they are being rejected quickly. Can see them getting battered 6 or 7-0 every week.

[Nesta99]

Only mention of Mervue and Salthill came about as a result of somebody saying Cabinteely should easily attract 500 to games.

and I feel its not a good comparison as the Mervue/Salthill/GUST/Galway United/Galway FC mess was devisive in a 'city' of what about 65,000. Every other concern like sustainability, suitability of local rugby facilities are fair enough. The dont seem to be joining with the grumbles that the Galway clubs did and for the sake of the 1st division and maybe even league I hope they do make a positive contribution.

[Spudulika]

Only mention of Mervue and Salthill came about as a result of somebody saying Cabinteely should easily attract 500 to games.

Who Charlie? Nobody mentioned "easily" attracting 500 to games.

I love the - supposedly's doing the rounds. It seems that it's better for LOI fans to b!tch about the incompetence of the FAI in not getting enough teams, or the LOI not being attractive or open to clubs, or being a closed league etc, and then when a team/club want to join, the chorus boos them off the stage.

There have been points put forward many times about the so called elitism, or reverse snobbery of LOI fans, painting themselves as special and victims, as being above all others in their search for ever more exotic ways to show how "real" they are. It's quite sad.

Instead of rubbishing or naysaying or looking for ways to pick apart the efforts of footballing people, it'd be far better to just give it a go and appreciate it.

I'm not tarring all with the same brush, but some of the negativity is rotten.

Again I will say (Charlie take note :-) ) , if they do things right, and develop their players through, and market it properly and build their connections with the community, they are capable of bringing in 500 people per week. And their u-15's this season will come through in 4-5 years, it will keep things rolling.

Welcome Cabinteely, and good luck!

[Charlie Darwin]

Who Charlie? Nobody mentioned "easily" attracting 500 to games.

I love the - supposedly's doing the rounds. It seems that it's better for LOI fans to b!tch about the incompetence of the FAI in not getting enough teams, or the LOI not being attractive or open to clubs, or being a closed league etc, and then when a team/club want to join, the chorus boos them off the stage.

There have been points put forward many times about the so called elitism, or reverse snobbery of LOI fans, painting themselves as special and victims, as being above all others in their search for ever more exotic ways to show how "real" they are. It's quite sad.

Instead of rubbishing or naysaying or looking for ways to pick apart the efforts of footballing people, it'd be far better to just give it a go and appreciate it.

I'm not tarring all with the same brush, but some of the negativity is rotten.

Again I will say (Charlie take note :-) ) , if they do things right, and develop their players through, and market it properly and build their connections with the community, they are capable of bringing in 500 people per week. And their u-15's this season will come through in 4-5 years, it will keep things rolling.

Welcome Cabinteely, and good luck!
I don't think anybody's booed Cabinteely - in fact, I think the response has been overwhelmingly completely positive towards them.

Easily was probably an exaggeration on my part but you said they "should" be bringing in 500, even if if you're saying it would take a few years, without any real argument for why beyond them having a good underage set-up.

[Briuk]

If Shamrock had done things properly they could have sent many players there, without cost, or very small..

[Longfordian]

I was booing Cabinteely (not really).

Their u15s could discover drink or women or both. Or they could be crap. You can't rely on them coming through. Anyway there's an interview with Eddie Gormley in The Mirror who suggests there's wealthy businessmen there if needed.

[Nesta99]

there's wealthy businessmen there if needed.

This in some wierd way is probably the most concerning thing said of all going on past experience!

[littlebray]

Don't you just love Fran Gavin's "following receipt of a number of expressions of interest"!

Tarmonbarry ... and who else?

[Mr A]

I think Carlow are considering coming in but were not ready this year.

[citybone]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish/2015/0128/676130-cabinteely-confirm-loi-application/

Plenty of carping about another Dublin club in the league. But we desperately need at least an 8th team plus a third of the league teams coming from Dublin when Dublin has about a third of the population hardly seems massively disproportionate. But at this stage I think a lot of the giving out is just a reflex with no actual thought involved.

In fairness Fingal is the biggest populated part of Dublin with no club (anymore), If Sporting Fingal had stayed amateur and built a small football stadium in Fingal they could have been sustainable but no they spent money on wages and had no legacy. A 500 seater main stand and two little 250 seat stand behind each goal, one for vocal home fans and one for away fan's. Might only have been a average first division club but better than bust and might have had a good year every now and then.

[Spudulika]

I don't think anybody's booed Cabinteely - in fact, I think the response has been overwhelmingly completely positive towards them.

Easily was probably an exaggeration on my part but you said they "should" be bringing in 500, even if if you're saying it would take a few years, without any real argument for why beyond them having a good underage set-up.

Charlie, I can live with my words being twisted, it's practice in foot.ie, but come on, it's not been supportive of the new club. I do, in one sense, understand the tribalism, but we should be happy with clubs aspiring to join, we should be forcing our own clubs to do more to open up the league, and while we all criticise the FAI, it is our own clubs who voted again and again to allow the national association run our top senior leagues.

And I'm not having a go at you, I know that there are many on here who will head out to Stradbrook just to take a look for the sake of the game, and I just hope our meeja get on board with this and start giving our league some support.

[Spudulika]

In fairness Fingal is the biggest populated part of Dublin with no club (anymore), If Sporting Fingal had stayed amateur and built a small football stadium in Fingal they could have been sustainable but no they spent money on wages and had no legacy. A 500 seater main stand and two little 250 seat stand behind each goal, one for vocal home fans and one for away fan's. Might only have been a average first division club but better than bust and might have had a good year every now and then.

Not fair on Fingal. They Sporting Fingal, they were doing good work in the community, they were developing younger age groups and in the process of getting a small ground together (in Lusk if I remember right), and they had no choice in the end. The council pulled the plug completely for political expediency and cowardice - even when the club had backers coming in and no debts.

Fingal is not covered, but it's a spread out area - you could have a LOI club out in Blanch (lots of good players from there - Fabio for one), one in Malahide, but further north and you're running into Drogheda. Brings into focus a need for franchising.

[Charlie Darwin]

Charlie, I can live with my words being twisted, it's practice in foot.ie, but come on, it's not been supportive of the new club. I do, in one sense, understand the tribalism, but we should be happy with clubs aspiring to join, we should be forcing our own clubs to do more to open up the league, and while we all criticise the FAI, it is our own clubs who voted again and again to allow the national association run our top senior leagues.

And I'm not having a go at you, I know that there are many on here who will head out to Stradbrook just to take a look for the sake of the game, and I just hope our meeja get on board with this and start giving our league some support.
What's not been supportive? Some people have questioned how wise it is (completely valid) but I'd wager a good chunk of people here will put their money where their mouths are and buy tickets. Clubs don't run on well-wishes and having smoke blown up their holes on message boards.

[Mr A]

Cabinteely in for the long haul: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish/2015/0129/676398-cabinteely/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

An a separate point- 7/20 clubs in the Greater Dublin area = 35%. For an area that has 39% of the population that is not over representation like many people seem to think.

[MattB11]

Would of rathered a team from outside of Dublin myself, be hard for them to drum up any kind of fan base when you consider anyone from the area with any interest in loi football probably already support one of the Dublin clubs.

[gufcfan]

Fixtures out (http://www.sseairtricityleague.ie/news/5847-2015-sse-airtricity-league-first-division-fixtures-released)

[Nesta99]

Cabinteely in for the long haul: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish/2015/0129/676398-cabinteely/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

An a separate point- 7/20 clubs in the Greater Dublin area = 35%. For an area that has 39% of the population that is not over representation like many people seem to think.

Its 39% of the population overall of which a tiny percentage is then shared among the 7 Dublin clubs in actual league attendance. The math in simplicity is of course correct but arguably a town like Sligo will get better crowds that the Dublin clubs while being about 0.4% of the national population. Having said that as another Dublin based club goes I feel Cabinteely have a better chance than UCD to build a fan base even though UCD are well established. The growth of League of Ireland attendance nationwide if done correctly and supported by the FAI would likely be more in a one club provincial town/city than in Dublin irrespective of population. Even those who rarely attend games have probably alligned themselves to Dublins more successful and still in existance traditional 4.

[nigel-harps1954]

But you well know Nesta, there's a few areas in Dublin that don't have direct bus routes to games. A huge stumbling block for some.

[Charlie Darwin]

But you well know Nesta, there's a few areas in Dublin that don't have direct bus routes to games. A huge stumbling block for some.
A moot point since the invention of the personal spaceship.

[Nesta99]

A moot point since the invention of the personal spaceship.

Aye but sure there are a few clubs that could be playing on the moon and get better crowds

[colonelwest]

A moot point since the invention of the personal spaceship.

I use my personal transporter


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[gufcfan]

If barstoolers had those, they still wouldn't get off the bloody things!

[bluemovie]

Commiserations to Cabinteely on the step down from the LSL to the basket case farce of the League of Ireland First Division :/

[nigel-harps1954]

Commiserations to Cabinteely on the step down from the LSL to the basket case farce of the League of Ireland First Division :/

They weren't in the LSL.

[Martinho II]

They weren't in the LSL.

used to though didnt they?

[the 12 th man]

used to though didnt they?

Think they left LSL 2 years ago.

[Charlie Darwin]

Yes, they have an LFL team now, much lower standard but presumably a lot cheaper to run.