Dan Crowley M MK Dons b.1997

[SkStu]

Tets, the support here for my posts on the matter suggest that moving these threads back to the ireland forum might be in order. Or at the very least that you answer the questions in my last post and not just ignore them (which is pretty rude by the way). And then audit the forum for any others that should be moved over.

[tetsujin1979]

Yeah, I know that. There also used to be two threads for discussing specific players who are eligible. I don't know why they've been moved. Sure they might have a flurry of posts for a few weeks but they would have disappeared off the first page pretty soon after that. I just don't know what the benefit of moving these threads is. This was never done before, ever.I didn't move the other thread. Do a search for it.


You also deemed it worthy to close the Grealish thread for months for some reason. The Noble et al thread was never closed until further developments...it is so arbitrary and weird. The main troll is long gone that might have warranted this type of action but not even he is relevant anymore.The Grealish thread was impossible to moderate. I gave multiple warnings were given that if the thread continued as it was it would be closed, they were ignored and it was closed. End of story. The Noble thread never came near it in terms of what moderation was needed


Shall we go through every thread in the ireland forum and make sure that they are all moved over here where the player has not declared yet or has since declared elsewhere? Joe Mason, Donnelly you mentioned but there's loads more. Do we need a formal declaration? I'm sorry, I'm just not sure what parameters you use to decide what stays and what goes. Should we have moved Clark out and then back in again? Is it just player threads or should we be on the look out for other non player specific transgressions?
I never mentioned Mason, and his thread is still in the Ireland forum - http://foot.ie/threads/148266-Joe-Mason - so why is he being mentioned? The Clark thread was started before I was moderator, so whether that was moved or not has nothing to do with me. The basic parameters on what player's thread stays in the Ireland forum or is moved is whether or not the player is an Irish international, either at senior or youth level. What do you mean by non player specific transgressions?

If you have a problem, then report it in the support forum


Tets, the support here for my posts on the matter suggest that moving these threads back to the ireland forum might be in order. Or at the very least that you answer the questions in my last post and not just ignore them (which is pretty rude by the way). And then audit the forum for any others that should be moved over.
I didn't ignore them, I have more on my plate right now that answering every post in the forum directed at me

[Wolfman]

What moderation is even needed.

[SkStu]

I didn't move the other thread. Do a search for it.

You moved two threads - Grealish and Crowley. The threads that I've been complaining about. They would have disappeared off the front page in a few weeks at most. I think they should be moved back. They are still relevant to Irish football. Crowley has not declared for England and the other is still being talked about in the context of the style and impact of managements approach.


The Grealish thread was impossible to moderate. I gave multiple warnings were given that if the thread continued as it was it would be closed, they were ignored and it was closed. End of story. The Noble thread never came near it in terms of what moderation was needed

The guy who prompted most of the moderation is no longer here. It's not a good enough reason to move the thread now. Perhaps infractions and suspensions to the posters that were ignoring your warnings/moderation would have been more impactful and a better option than shutting down the good conversation (with the bad) and disabling healthy debate.


I never mentioned Mason, and his thread is still in the Ireland forum - http://foot.ie/threads/148266-Joe-Mason - so why is he being mentioned? The Clark thread was started before I was moderator, so whether that was moved or not has nothing to do with me. The basic parameters on what player's thread stays in the Ireland forum or is moved is whether or not the player is an Irish international, either at senior or youth level. What do you mean by non player specific transgressions?

Sorry, I mustn't have been clear there. Mason was my catch. He should be moved too, right? Along with Donnelly as you mentioned. IIRC Clark was in irish and English youth teams? If so, my question is would the right thing to have done there to move him out of the ireland forum and then back in again?

If those are your parameters then I suggest you have a lot of thread moving to do. Mason, Donnelly plus all the player that IsMiseSean referenced plus countless others that we can find. Also, the potentially eligible players thread should probably go too since they aren't irish internationals being talked about in there, youth or senior.

But what I'm really hoping you'll do is see how pointless this would be and then how pointless it was to move Crowley and Grealish over here and climb down a little and move them back.


If you have a problem, then report it in the support forum

Wouldn't it just be easier to move the threads back?


I didn't ignore them, I have more on my plate right now that answering every post in the forum directed at me

Just did a quick look and I think mine were the only questions directed specifically at you over the last few days.

Anyway, I'm asking you to consider moving the two threads back to the ireland forum so that we can continue to discuss the players from an irish fans perspective in the most appropriate forum.

A point you missed in my post was that this has never been done before and if it is the new direction then some rules, clarity and consistency would be advantageous so that all users of this site know where to start threads and where threads might get moved to.

My preference would be to go back to the old way of doing things and keep all relevant threads in the ireland forum irrespective of whether they ultimately end up being irrelevant.

[tetsujin1979]

You moved two threads - Grealish and Crowley. The threads that I've been complaining about. They would have disappeared off the front page in a few weeks at most. I think they should be moved back. They are still relevant to Irish football. Crowley has not declared for England and the other is still being talked about in the context of the style and impact of managements approach.I disagree, nothing Grealish does for the rest of his career will be relevant to Irish football, unless he decides to change his allegiance. The same goes for Crowley. If you want to discuss the style and impact of management, then the manager's thread - http://foot.ie/threads/184787-Martin-O-Neill-and-Roy-Keane - is currently more relevant than either player's thread


The guy who prompted most of the moderation is no longer here. It's not a good enough reason to move the thread now. Perhaps infractions and suspensions to the posters that were ignoring your warnings/moderation would have been more impactful and a better option than shutting down the good conversation (with the bad) and disabling healthy debate.I said I would move the thread if Grealish changed his allegiance, so I did. TOWK isn't posting right now, but he's not banned. Infractions and suspensions were awarded for repeatedly ignoring warnings, and they had no impact. There really was no other option than to close the thread, and it's the only time I've done it, at least that I can remember


Sorry, I mustn't have been clear there. Mason was my catch. He should be moved too, right? Along with Donnelly as you mentioned.Has Mason made any statements about changing allegiances? Why would his thread be moved? Donnelly is a current Northern Ireland international, and has made no statement about changing allegiance that I'm aware of


IIRC Clark was in irish and English youth teams? If so, my question is would the right thing to have done there to move him out of the ireland forum and then back in again?At the time Clark's thread - http://foot.ie/threads/141218-Ciaran-Clark- was started he still an England underage international (possibly captain of the side?) so I would have moved the discussion to the potentially eligible players thread.


If those are your parameters then I suggest you have a lot of thread moving to do. Mason, Donnelly plus all the player that IsMiseSean referenced plus countless others that we can find.Most of those threads have had few posts in the last few months, if I had already moved them, would anyone have noticed?


Also, the potentially eligible players thread should probably go too since they aren't irish internationals being talked about in there, youth or senior.It's a thread for discussing players who are possibly eligible, instead of starting a new thread for every player in England/Scotland/etc with an Irish surname. I've merged threads on youth players signing contracts for the first time for much the same reason.


But what I'm really hoping you'll do is see how pointless this would be and then how pointless it was to move Crowley and Grealish over here and climb down a little and move them back.

Wouldn't it just be easier to move the threads back?Even if I wanted to move them, I can't. I only have moderation rights on the Ireland forum, not the international forum.



Just did a quick look and I think mine were the only questions directed specifically at you over the last few days.I said I have more on my plate right now than answering every question on the forum, including what's going on in my life outside the forum.


Anyway, I'm asking you to consider moving the two threads back to the ireland forum so that we can continue to discuss the players from an irish fans perspective in the most appropriate forum. see above, I can't


A point you missed in my post was that this has never been done before and if it is the new direction then some rules, clarity and consistency would be advantageous so that all users of this site know where to start threads and where threads might get moved to.Fair enough, I'll add something to the stickied posts on the forum about starting new threads


My preference would be to go back to the old way of doing things and keep all relevant threads in the ireland forum irrespective of whether they ultimately end up being irrelevant.Then I suggest opening a thread on the support forum to address this, and avoid taking this thread further off topic

[Wolfman]

Nah, Stu is right.

[The Fly]

Crowley returns to Arsenal after loan spell at Barnsley is cut short.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dan-crowley-returns-arsenal-after-6719987

[SkStu]

scored a belter for the English U19s v Japan yesterday.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/watch-arsenal-youngster-dan-crowley-6840189

[liamoo11]

http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/england-u-19-discussion-thread-3-r.1672065/page-168

not in the brits 24 man squad for the friendlies before the 19s euros which maybe is a good sign( or just a sign that england are savage at this age group) . You wood imagine their 18 man squad will be picked from this as roberts at celtic is only one left out but tink that is cause celtic wont release him due to champ league qualifiers in july. Obviously crowley was only on standby when this group won the 17 euros 2 years ago so must be a bit sickening to maybe see your age group win 2 euro titles and not be involved . Some irish numpty on that england forum talking nonsense about how crowley cant get game for england cause he is too small/technical embarrassing stuff can only imagine he strayed from YBIG

[The Fly]

Joining Oxford United on loan for the season.

[CraftyToePoke]

Hopefully to block the gap of an upwardly mobile O'Dowda

[BonnieShels]

Joining Oxford United on loan for the season.

I read that entire page and that read like a calculated punchline.

I just let out a guffaw that could kill a man.

[CraftyToePoke]

Unused sub Saturday - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36930021

[tetsujin1979]

leaving Arsenal to sign for Willem II in Holland today, according to some reports

[BonnieShels]

leaving Arsenal to sign for Willem II in Holland today, according to some reports

Perfect day to do it I suppose.

[Closed Account]

A goal and an assist this evening.

[liamoo11]

Really hope and expect that he will start against the north in november

[liamoo11]

Lads can this thread be moved back to the ireland section please as a token of good faith?

[The Fly]

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/former-irish-underage-international-ripping-eredivisie-186563

[The Fly]

Scored a penalty this evening in 2-1 loss away to VVV-Venlo.

[geysir]

Breaking news (https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/i-remember-crying-my-eyes-out-when-spain-won-that-penalty-shootout-dan-crowley-confirms-switch-from-england-to-ireland-37841409.html) announcing the almost certain return of Dan Crowley to be Ireland eligible again, after a stopgap experience with the English FA.

Dan ticks many of the boxes.

Arsenal academy pedigree.
Redemption -- from questions about discipline/temperament.
Long summers spent in rural Ireland
Played GAA sports.
Always supported Ireland.
Cried when Shay jumped out of the way to let Mendieta score.

Has cred in Holland as a talented technically gifted midfielder in the Dutch league.

[Olé Olé]

I hope people don't drop this into the 'not good enough for England' bucket. Maybe he isn't presently good enough for England but I think it was always likely this lad was going to end up with us as senior level, regardless of how his career progressed. I think the interview is genuine.

[DeLorean]

Good news. Pity he didn't get the paperwork in motion six months ago when he expressed his interest.

[tetsujin1979]

Thread in the other football section on him: https://foot.ie/threads/161142-Daniel-Crowley
Was moved when he decided to play for England U17s a few weeks after playing for Ireland at the same level

[geysir]

Okay, I had done a search for a previous thread on Dan in the Ireland forum and (obviously) it did not appear.

[geysir]

Good news. Pity he didn't get the paperwork in motion six months ago when he expressed his interest.
I'd be almost certain that he informed the FAI of his decision long before last September and did not hear word back from O'Neill. And there's a strong hint that he was under the impression Ireland had to want him to return before paperwork was begun.
Also he says "I've kept in touch with the FAI scout, Mark O'Toole, over the years and he knows I'd love a call-up,"

[DeLorean]

Do you think he's heard from McCarthy so, in that case?

I'd have been more impressed if he ploughed on with the paperwork at the time regardless of hearing from O'Neill. Happy to have him on board though.

[jbyrne]

I'd be almost certain that he informed the FAI of his decision long before last September and did not hear word back from O'Neill. And there's a strong hint that he was under the impression Ireland had to want him to return before paperwork was begun.


there doesnt have to be a another story behind everything to do with our national team.
the reports this morning would suggest that his desire was always to play for us

[geysir]

Do you think he's heard from McCarthy so, in that case?
I'd have been more impressed if he ploughed on with the paperwork at the time regardless of hearing from O'Neill. Happy to have him on board though.
If a young player tells a scout he'd like to return, why did the scout not tell him then to plough on and follow his dream?
The question is more about team management competency, than expecting a teenage footballer to be aware of the whole paperwork process of making the switch,
and in the context of most managers/coaches/scouts/fans being not aware of the full extent of FIFA's regulations re international eligibility.
Yes, one can eventually find the well hidden file on FIFA's website which barely informs a player using the minimum amount of words, on what to do to make the switch

[DeLorean]

He knew there was a paperwork process, so I'm sure he'd have known the sooner that's initiated, the sooner he'd be available for selection. He's not a teenager either, and wasn't when he made his intentions clear last September.

Do you think McCarthy has made contact? Simple question.

[Deckydee]

I welcome him! - Decision made early - Unlike Will Keane

[Diggs246]

He knew there was a paperwork process, so I'm sure he'd have known the sooner that's initiated, the sooner he'd be available for selection. He's not a teenager either, and wasn't when he made his intentions clear last September.

Do you think McCarthy has made contact? Simple question.

I would say someone in the management apparatus did talk to him. Whether it was MMc who knows

[Fixer82]

There's a pic on his instagram from Nov 2015 where he's 'watching football with the little bro'. He's wearing a nave tracksuit top with green stripes and the young lad is in an Ireland soccer kit.
So it seems he's been, at the very least, dropping hints the last three and a half years that Ireland was where his hat would be laid.

[The Fly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2_XPlK84SQ

[geysir]

He knew there was a paperwork process, so I'm sure he'd have known the sooner that's initiated, the sooner he'd be available for selection. He's not a teenager either, and wasn't when he made his intentions clear last September.

Do you think McCarthy has made contact? Simple question.
Have you read the document I refer to? do you know what the process involves? I doubt it.
It's quite clear in the well hidden document at FIFA HQ that the association the player wants to switch to ( in this case the FAI) has to make the request to FIFA on behalf of the player. If a player informs the FAI that he wants to switch to the FAI, the next step is from the FAI to initiate the paperwork. Part of that paperwork is a statement from the player.
He kept in touch with the FAI scout and the scout was well informed as to Dan's intentions re a return to Ireland. In all that time that the FAI knew (the scout), nobody got back to contact Dan, despite the fact that Mick was trawling the dredges trying to persuade players to sign up.

I haven't a clue who in the FAI finally contacted him but I guess he was informed by somebody to contact the FAI directly or was contacted by the FAI and asked to confirm his intentions and request the FAI to start the paperwork.

[The Fly]

Here's a new video -
(best viewed on mute)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW3lii9lbgY

[Sullivinho]

"I remember crying my eyes out when Spain won that penalty shoot-out." (https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/i-remember-crying-my-eyes-out-when-spain-won-that-penalty-shootout-dan-crowley-confirms-switch-from-england-to-ireland-37841409.html)


His father Dave's parents are from Waterford and Cork, while his mother Maria also has relations from Mayo.

Grandad Aleister has strong Charleville connections. https://forum.ybig.ie/smileys/smiley32.gif

[geysir]

"England is a country I love because I grew up there and my friends live there. I wore a lot of kits as a youngster but never owned an England kit.":)

[Sullivinho]

You've gotta love the lad's insistence on convincing. He's like a figure standing in the battlefield smoke of the Ricegate wars, arms aloft, imploring the cautious greens to ignore the accent and search him for hidden England kits. You can practically hear the Irish guns being uncocked at the sound of "Ireland were the team I supported at the Euro 2016 finals."

[DeLorean]

Have you read the document I refer to? do you know what the process involves? I doubt it.
It's quite clear in the well hidden document at FIFA HQ that the association the player wants to switch to ( in this case the FAI) has to make the request to FIFA on behalf of the player. If a player informs the FAI that he wants to switch to the FAI, the next step is from the FAI to initiate the paperwork. Part of that paperwork is a statement from the player.
He kept in touch with the FAI scout and the scout was well informed as to Dan's intentions re a return to Ireland. In all that time that the FAI knew (the scout), nobody got back to contact Dan, despite the fact that Mick was trawling the dredges trying to persuade players to sign up.

I haven't a clue who in the FAI finally contacted him but I guess he was informed by somebody to contact the FAI directly or was contacted by the FAI and asked to confirm his intentions and request the FAI to start the paperwork.

I didn't read the document but I assumed that's how the initial part of the process works.

[TrapAPony]

Scored today v AZ Alkmaar

[The Fly]

I wonder if Noel King was able to identify him.

[liamoo11]

I wonder if Noel King was able to identify him.

He is the lad with the union Jack jocks

[Razors left peg]

Watched the first half of his game today and he looks a player.

The commentator was saying that he has created 40 chances going into today's game, 19 more than any other player in the team. Was raving about how important he is to them.

There is definitely a look of Wes of him. Could be very good addition

[Razors left peg]

Incidentally there was an Irish flag in the corner of the ground with his number 14 on it.

[Fizzer]

What’s the reality of the level he’s actually playing at though?
Tenth in the Eredivisie,where would that be? mid-championship standard? There doesn’t seem to be many Dutch players getting a look in outside of the Eredivisie top four but there’s a few from Huddersfield, Palace etc.

[liamoo11]

What’s the reality of the level he’s actually playing at though?
Tenth in the Eredivisie,where would that be? mid-championship standard? There doesn’t seem to be many Dutch players getting a look in outside of the Eredivisie top four but there’s a few from Huddersfield, Palace etc.

I would be doubtful he would start for any premier league team at present due to his physical limitations but that may come with games. Mount had a similiar season in Holland last season and he is having decent season at derby now. He might never be good enough for the physical demands of a top league but he will certainly give us creativity against the likes of georgia which we so badly have been missing or in home games when we need to turn draws into wins if we want to qualify for tournaments. If we need to beat denmark or switzerland at home and the choice is to pick him or arter in a 3 man midfield with mccarthy and hendrick Id certainly take crowley even though he might never have the physical tools to play at the level arter has.

[Kingdom]

Isn't there an argument that we don't play against physical scrappy teams at international level, and certainly not in games that we struggle in? We struggle against the technical teams that make us run around like eejits because we can't keep the ball. We need to lose the idea that you're club side is what dictates whether you play international ball or not. There is very little difference between the bottom half of the premier league and the championship.

There's an argument for picking players who are used to getting their foot on the ball, or players who are used to winning games regularly. Crowley fits into all of those brackets.

[Razors left peg]

I would be doubtful he would start for any premier league team at present due to his physical limitations but that may come with games. Mount had a similiar season in Holland last season and he is having decent season at derby now. He might never be good enough for the physical demands of a top league but he will certainly give us creativity against the likes of georgia which we so badly have been missing or in home games when we need to turn draws into wins if we want to qualify for tournaments. If we need to beat denmark or switzerland at home and the choice is to pick him or arter in a 3 man midfield with mccarthy and hendrick Id certainly take crowley even though he might never have the physical tools to play at the level arter has.
That was always what was thrown at Wes too, too small to play at top level. But yet he was always our most creative player

[liamoo11]

https://www.bd.nl/willem-ii/doelpunt-beuk-op-dug-out-en-winst-voor-willem-ii~a394b30e/ I assume this is the kind of attitude issues that people have raised about crowley. Hopefully matures with age