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BonnieShels

15/10/2011, 1:11 AM

I have a contact who I can ask if someone wants to start a ticket thread...

My advice is to rather waste time moaning on here, embellish yer stories and keep sending to The FAI.
There are bound to be a few returns anyway, though they probably won't appear till the day?
Which isn't much use if you live outside The Pale....

Already done.

I'm gonna still moan here if that's okay? :P

lenc

15/10/2011, 6:14 AM

Em ... you sure that was the case against against the Faroes? Brian Kerr said the Faroe keeper had one save to make in the second half and that it was a comfortable enough victory.
Well Brian Kerr can say whatever he wants but if you take a look at the actual highlights of the match you might get a better idea of what was going on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCU2LKbkiTI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCU2LKbkiTI)

Yard of Pace

15/10/2011, 11:04 AM

Lads, anyone know how George Hamilton is doing? Any chance he'd be back for the play-offs? Darragh is great, but George is, well, George.

paul_oshea

15/10/2011, 5:48 PM

For anyone who hasn't seen this already, I thought I'd share this with you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNmHhvAcJWk

For the immature teenager in all of us :D

MeathDrog

15/10/2011, 8:05 PM

Well Brian Kerr can say whatever he wants but if you take a look at the actual highlights of the match you might get a better idea of what was going on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCU2LKbkiTI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCU2LKbkiTI)
Well I would take heart from the shocking defending giving away the 2nd peno..

French Toasht

15/10/2011, 9:18 PM

Well Brian Kerr can say whatever he wants but if you take a look at the actual highlights of the match you might get a better idea of what was going on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCU2LKbkiTI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCU2LKbkiTI)

That video demonstates exactly my point, that the Estonian's barely had chance of note in the second half.

Dvo-Van

16/10/2011, 2:50 AM

Without Gonsales it's not going to be easy against mighty Estonia

lenc

16/10/2011, 7:48 AM

That video demonstates exactly my point, that the Estonian's barely had chance of note in the second half.
No, you disputed the fact that Estonians had any good chances during the entire match and this video demonstrates that they actually did have several.

French Toasht

16/10/2011, 1:21 PM

No, you disputed the fact that Estonians had any good chances during the entire match and this video demonstrates that they actually did have several.

Oh really?

Em ... you sure that was the case against against the Faroes? Brian Kerr said the Faroe keeper had one save to make in the second half and that it was a comfortable enough victory. Also there may be the destiny factor, but if you are a good enough team you will ensure that doesn't involve you.

Noelys Guitar

16/10/2011, 1:42 PM

Estonie v Faroes the 2-1 game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_IGCa0Q-0w

French Toasht

16/10/2011, 1:55 PM

A comprehensive low down on the players and tactics of Estonia:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/1015/1224305837758.html

AlaskaFox

16/10/2011, 2:55 PM

A comprehensive low down on the players and tactics of Estonia:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/1015/1224305837758.html

You missed the most important part:
writes BRIAN KERR

lenc

16/10/2011, 2:57 PM

Oh really?
Look at the post you made that reply to. The guy who posted said that the Estonians missed some great chances before the Faroes got the penalty. And you questioned that.

Sullivinho

16/10/2011, 7:49 PM

Ireland need to get tight and put them under pressure. If they get physical and stop Estonia having time on the ball, Ireland can progress, writes BRIAN KERR.

The ravings of a lunatic. It's universally known that the Estonian's true vunerability is the freedom to do what they want, at a pace and manner of their own choosing.

Interesting piece actually. Bit of an education for someone like me who half expecting Andres Oper and Mart Poom to still be doing star turns for them. You've gotta be encouraged by stuff like "We dominated that last half hour" coming from the Faroes manager in relation to our playoff opponents.

lionelhutz

16/10/2011, 9:42 PM

Just watching MOTD 2 now. Dixon gave an analysis on Long's performance today - he looked top class. Any long punt or clearance he was on the end of it - he has some pace. And he constantly ran at their defence and caused havoc - Johnson was lucky to stay on the field after one challenge.

On his current form, I think it would be a travesty if he didn't start the play-off. No doubt I'd have Walters and Long starting. I think Trap will go with Cox and Long though.

Wolfie

17/10/2011, 12:31 PM

amaccann

17/10/2011, 8:37 PM

paul_oshea

17/10/2011, 8:42 PM

I really hope the players don't get complacent, at least they are over there so probably don't hear any of it.

French Toasht

17/10/2011, 9:35 PM

Have been doing my research on the "Two Estonians to Watch", Tarmo Kink and Konstantin Vassiljev. Appears the two of them have got barely any game time this year.

Tarmo Kink has not played a single minute of football for Middlesbrough in any competition this season, despite the fact that he is uninjured.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/shared/bsp/hi/football/statistics/players/k/kink_244555.stm

And Konstantin Vassiljev, has played just 44 minutes for Amkar Perm in the last 14 months.

Those skills will come in useful ahead of the play-off and, but for Vassiljev, the hope that his successes in Europe will finally earn him a regular place in the Amkar first XI. In September, he finally made his debut for the club he joined from FC Koper in August 2010, and was taken off injured after 44 minutes. He has not played for the Russian side since.

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro2012/news/newsid=1696559.html

It's good to know that their two most talented players won't be all that match sharp for the game, which probably explains why Vassiljev only came on after 65 minutes against Northern Ireland in Belfast. (That said he still score 2 goals in the 25 minutes he was on the pitch.)

geysir

17/10/2011, 9:46 PM

The remaining tickets tickets for the first leg that went on sale this morning, were sold out in 25 minutes

Maybe it has been mentioned already in this thread & I simply missed it (sorry!), but has anyone garnered reactions from the Estonians' fans and press? I'm wondering how they're viewing the game: whether it's with cautious optimism, trepidation or what. I think it's fair to say we're all quietly confident Ireland can push past the "minnows" of the playoffs, I'm wondering what our opponents are thinking ...They probably think we are in the way :)
Estonians can use the internet and understand English. JD laughing? a picture is probably already being framed and hung on the dressing room door. They know Brian Kerr thinks Estonia won't pose too many problems, they know Keane is virtually out, they know Trap is cautious, they know we play the British style of football.
There are no secrets.

Sullivinho

17/10/2011, 9:49 PM

Maybe it has been mentioned already in this thread & I simply missed it (sorry!), but has anyone garnered reactions from the Estonians' fans and press? I'm wondering how they're viewing the game: whether it's with cautious optimism, trepidation or what. I think it's fair to say we're all quietly confident Ireland can push past the "minnows" of the playoffs, I'm wondering what our opponents are thinking ...

Almost 200 Estonian fan opinions (http://sport.delfi.ee/news/jalgpall/eesti/hea-loos-eesti-jalgpallikoondise-vastane-on-iirimaa.d?id=59730890) here on what appears to be the playoff announcement on Tallinn's premier(?) newspaper's online version. The not wholly unexpected complication is that they're all in Estonian..

I see one of them quoted Trap's pragmatic "we must not underestimate the quality and fortitude of Estonia" comments from the Irish Times though so we're not the only ones engaged in recon. ;)

paul_oshea

17/10/2011, 10:15 PM

I can get it translated if anyone cares.

Sullivinho

17/10/2011, 10:28 PM

I never know when online translators are messing with me or not but here's a few they've come up with from the above site:

Ireland is a tough opponent, the majority of men k�rgliigas.arvan plays in English, however, that the Czechs would have been better vastane.aga Well, the ball is round and not vennad.loodame days to miss the Irish show the same level as in Northern Ireland in the second half

I have two feet between the ball and both went to the opponent's goal

I went for a very personal thing. Irish to hide .....

This is the moment when the Republic of Ireland national team, and quite frankly, it's still pretty hard and the composition of the Given, Dunn, Coleman, O'Shea, Duff, Hunt, Whelan, McCarthy, Long, and AM Best are all playing in clubs like Wolves, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Wigan, WBA, Stoke, Fulham and so on. Serbia had the same name, a much tougher team to beat but we managed. What counts is team spirit. If all 10 outfield players are doing their best games of life, it is unrealistic to expect a positive outcome, otherwise you will certainly not. Lindpere should definitely play..... and perhaps also by the weather in our 11.nov (maybe snow). Key to this is to not let the Irish have hit Tallinn to recruit.

In this chap's defense, fear of the Irish invading to recruit is a natural consequence of spending a year in the same group as the North. Victims of chlorophobia (http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/chlorophobia) often suffer in silence and find it difficult to move on, particularly at traffic lights.

theworm2345

18/10/2011, 12:46 AM

Tickets for Estonia's crunch Euro 2012 playoff against Ireland sold out within 25 minutes Monday, as the Baltic minnows brace for the biggest game in their footballing history.

The Estonian Football Association said that all 2,000 tickets available to the general public via local Internet portal Piletilevi had been snapped up just 25 minutes after going on sale at 10:00 am (0700 GMT).

A further 1,222 were sold at Piletilevi's counters in the Baltic nation.

A total of 4,500 tickets had already been allocated to Estonia's supporters' organisations and football clubs and 1,400 to the Football Association of Ireland for travelling fans.

"As always, fans' associations and football clubs were give the opportunity to book tickets earlier in order to avoid the black market and above all to ensure that fans of the national team won't be left behind the gates," Estonian FA spokesman Mihkel Uiboleht told AFP.

The November 11 match at the 9,692-capacity A. Le Coq Arena in the capital Tallinn will be a landmark for Estonia.

By making the playoffs for next years European Championships in Poland and Ukraine, manager Tarmo Ruutli's men have ventured further in a major international competition than any other team from the nation of 1.3 million.

The online tickets could only be bought in Estonia, with each purchaser limited to four, in an effort to stop touts.

Tonu Sirel, secretary general of the Estonian FA, warned that anyone who bought a black market ticket would be disappointed on match-day.

"The ticket is property of the Estonian Football Association, and if someone who buys one violates the rules by re-selling the ticket at a higher price, we can declare it invalid," Sirel said.

Although Ireland fans do not have a troublemaker reputation, the strict sales controls are also meant to keep home and away supporters apart, a standard rule at most internationals.

"If Irish fans enter a stand not designated for them, we have the right to remove them from there, which we will do," Sirel said.

The return leg in Dublin is on November 15.
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=afp-fbl_euro_2012_est_irl_tickets_20111017

On a side note...

Although Ireland fans do not have a troublemaker reputation, the strict sales controls are also meant to keep home and away supporters apart, a standard rule at most internationals.

Pussies! :p

Crosby87

18/10/2011, 12:50 AM

I don't understand the recruit thing. What does that mean?

geysir

18/10/2011, 8:09 AM

I don't understand the recruit thing. What does that mean?
In context 'Key to this is to not let the Irish have hit Tallinn to recruit', to gain an advantage, I presume.

Stuttgart88

18/10/2011, 8:29 AM

Maybe Gerry Armstrong has been advising Estonia's FA?

archiewingnut

18/10/2011, 3:28 PM

Traveling to Riga as the flights are full to tallin. Any takers looking to share a car to tallin Friday morning returning for the flight on Sat late afternoon

elroy

19/10/2011, 2:02 AM

One of my biggest fears going into this tie is the away goals rule. Playing at home second puts us at a disadvantage in this regard. I really hope we come back from Estonia with a score draw or better. I don't think my nerves could handle a second leg where the first had ended scoreless.

punkrocket

19/10/2011, 10:05 AM

I don't understand the recruit thing. What does that mean?

Pussies! :p

I refer you to the earlier link by Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNmHhvAcJWk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNmHhvAcJWk)

For the immature teenager in all of us :D

Dodge

19/10/2011, 10:08 AM

One of my biggest fears going into this tie is the away goals rule. Playing at home second puts us at a disadvantage in this regard.
PLaying at home in the second leg is usually seen as an advantage, particularly with regards to the away goal rule.

Its only a disadvantage if you fail to score away in the first leg, and then the order of the games doesn't matter...

Crosby87

19/10/2011, 11:44 AM

I think its going to be 1-1 then 0-0 and we go in with half the board complaining that we "Dont deserve it". :D

paul_oshea

19/10/2011, 12:38 PM

Traveling to Riga as the flights are full to tallin. Any takers looking to share a car to tallin Friday morning returning for the flight on Sat late afternoon

The bus is 4 hours and costs 20 euro, might be a cheaper option.

pineapple stu

19/10/2011, 1:14 PM

Booked into Riga, staying a night there and bussing it to Tallinn as well. Hotels are ridiculously cheap - less than E50/night for a twin room. Frees up a bit of money for drinking!

Now to hope I win the ticket raffle...

Lionel Ritchie

20/10/2011, 7:42 AM

dreamt last night we ****ed away a two goal lead and lost 3-2 in Talinn. winner came in the 93rd minute. still trembling.

ifk101

20/10/2011, 8:37 AM

I think we'll win both legs.

OwlsFan

20/10/2011, 9:06 AM

I think we'll win both legs.

:eek: How long have you been following Ireland? We don't do those sort of things.

As for the away goal, around 10% of games are decided on that. I'd be delighted with a 0-0 over there since if we can't beat Estonia at home then we're not very good are we?

ifk101

20/10/2011, 9:49 AM

:eek: How long have you been following Ireland? We don't do those sort of things.

Not of tradition but we are good at grinding out results under Trapattoni. We have beaten Armenia and Macedonia home and away in this qualification campaign and both represent a more difficult proposition to me than facing Estonia. Estonia deserve respect for getting to the position they find themselves in, but they are the fifth seeds in their qualification group for good reason. We should be confident.

Crosby87

20/10/2011, 11:32 AM

dreamt last night we ****ed away a two goal lead and lost 3-2 in Talinn. winner came in the 93rd minute. still trembling.

Better than your usual dream of getting that weird looking sculpture of your head made.

tetsujin1979

20/10/2011, 12:24 PM

Trapattoni has an excellent record in competitive games against teams ranked below us

World Cup 2010
P W D L F A
7 4 3 0 8 4
Date Home Team Rank Result Away Team Rank
06-Sep-08 Georgia (77) 1-2 Ireland (38)
10-Sep-08 Montenegro (136) 0-0 Ireland (38)
15-Oct-08 Ireland (38) 1-0 Cyprus (80)
11-Feb-09 Ireland (29) 2-1 Georgia (108)
28-Mar-09 Ireland (26) 1-1 Bulgaria (27)
05-Sep-09 Cyprus (76) 1-2 Ireland (38)
14-Oct-09 Ireland (34) 0-0 Montenegro (75)

Euro 2012
P W D L F A
6 6 0 0 12 3
Date Home Team Rank Result Away Team Rank
03-Sep-10 Armenia (105) 0-1 Ireland (33)
07-Sep-10 Ireland (33) 3-1 Andorra (202)
26-Mar-11 Ireland (34) 2-1 Macedonia (83)
04-Jun-11 Macedonia (98) 0-2 Ireland (31)
07-Oct-11 Andorra (203) 0-2 Ireland (29)
11-Oct-11 Ireland (29) 2-1 Armenia (44)

Totals
P W D L F A
13 10 3 0 20 7

note - zero losses over both qualification series and 100% win ratio in the Euro 2012 qualifiers
I have faith that at the very least, the zero losses record will continue in the play offs

DeLorean

20/10/2011, 1:20 PM

:eek: How long have you been following Ireland? We don't do those sort of things.

We don't usually get draws this favourable either. The one time we did, we went through pretty comfortably against Iran.

Kingdom

20/10/2011, 6:10 PM

Trapattoni has an excellent record in competitive games against teams ranked below us

note - zero losses over both qualification series and 100% win ratio in the Euro 2012 qualifiers
I have faith that at the very least, the zero losses record will continue in the play offs

Nice one Tets. while excuses can be made for plenty of results, the two results against Montenegro in the last campaign wouldn't concern me in the long-run. The game we played in Podge was their second ever competitive international and they were well-fired up for it. A point given the circumstances was acceptable. The return fixture was played in the knowledge that we wouldn't be topping the group and were assured a play-off position, and with the backdrop of the last minute concession to Italy being one of the most deflating experiences I've had following Ireland, the bore-draw wasn't surprising either.

DannyInvincible

24/10/2011, 5:19 PM

RT� secure play-off rights: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/1024/ireland.html

Noelys Guitar

25/10/2011, 1:16 AM

We are down to the bare bones up front. Lets hope nothing happens to Walters or Cox in the next few weeks. It is imperative we don't lose the away game. I've looked at the highlights of a most of Estonia's recent and they can be reasonably OK. I wouldn't like to come back to Dublin a goal down to them as they know how to get a lot of players behind the ball quickly and dig in. Their keeper looks fairly good. A score draw away would be very nice. Obviously winning would be best of all but it won't be easy. Especially without Doyle, Long and probably Keane out for the away match. Three very big players there to be missing. And nothing of note on the bench if Walters and Cox start.

DannyInvincible

25/10/2011, 1:52 AM

Dan McDonnell tweeted earlier that Long hasn't given up hope on making the play-off.

Kingdom

25/10/2011, 6:00 AM

Georgia away - Win
Georgia Home - win

Cyprus away - win
Cyprus home - win

Armenia away - win
Armenia home - win

Macedonia away - win
Macedonia home - win

Yes I am going there! I'm not taking the SuperGretna approach as everyone should give Estonia due credit for getting to the play-offs, and they deserve respect for doing it ahead of two teams that qualified for the World Cup but I don't care anymore, Estonia are there to be beaten home and away. They're by far the weakest team in the playoffs and if we'd drawn them in our group we would be targetting 6 points from them in a double header.
The above results have demonstrated that the team/manager get some good fortune along the way, but that's balanced out over a campaign, and you don't constantly beat the weaker teams through luck alone.
Even taking into account our striking "crisis", at present we still have to call upon Simon Cox who was MOM in the face of some heavy criticism for being picked in the first place, Johnny Walters who has been performing very effectively for a European qualified EPL team (and scoring too), Andy Keogh who is back scoring and playing well domestically, not to mention the black sheep Leon Best who has had a good start for a team riding high in the EPL. I mention Keogh because despite picking him wide right, prior to this campaign Trap had referenced him as a player who could deputise for Keane, the only like-for-like in the pool of players. Not agree with that personally, but he's said it.

It's not too bad. Yet...

Dan McDonnell tweeted earlier that Long hasn't given up hope on making the play-off.
He'd be mad to push it, and risk doing further damage. I'd be greatly peeved if I was in his shoes, but I'd take my medicine and recuperate properly, due to the tackle he's a lucky boy it wasn't a lot worse. Is this his first big injury?

pineapple stu

25/10/2011, 8:59 AM

We are down to the bare bones up front. Lets hope nothing happens to Walters or Cox in the next few weeks.
Who's been capped other than those two and the missing trio? Folan anyway. Hunt. Anyone else?

tetsujin1979

25/10/2011, 9:06 AM

Who's been capped other than those two and the missing trio? Folan anyway. Hunt. Anyone else?
Best, Stokes, Scannell was on the bench once, and played in the B game, Murphy, Keogh, Elliott
errr....Connolly?

Littlest Hobo

25/10/2011, 9:21 AM

with long, doyle and keane (supposedly!?) out of the first leg, trap has limited options up front. walters and keogh are the only options...

I hope he starts this team for both legs.

Given

O'Shea
Dunne
St Ledger
Ward

Mc Geady
Whelan
Andrews
Duff

Walters
Keogh (Doyle on home leg)

This will be good enough to win.

Supreme feet

25/10/2011, 9:22 AM