Dublin Super Cup

[Dodge]

www.dublinsupercup.com

Anyone want to point me in the direction of the LOI involvement? Seeing as we're stopping for it...

[harps1954]

www.dublinsupercup.com

Anyone want to point me in the direction of the LOI involvement? Seeing as we're stopping for it...

Four teams in it - LOI Select, City, Celtic and Inter.

Fixtures seem to be:
Sat 30th July - Inter Milan v Celtic and City v LOI Select
Sun 31st July - Inter Milan v City and Celtic v LOI Select

Tickets start at €30 each day and €10 for kids.

[Dodge]

I know the teams

Just pointing out 2 FAI logos, and not one LOI logo

Inter get top billing too. Heard weekend ticket was €90

[Schumi]

Four teams in it - LOI Select, City, Celtic and Inter.

Cork or Derry?

[poster]

Cork or Derry?

Dublin

[EalingGreen]

Just pointing out 2 FAI logos, and not one LOI logoWouldn't it be more appropriate to call it the "League of Ireland Super Cup", too?

Or if they insist on Dublin Super Cup, have a "Dublin Select" playing?



Inter get top billing too. Heard weekend ticket was €90Jeez, that will test the loyalty of Celtic's fans, both in Ireland and Scotland.

Tbh, they have pre-season tournaments like that in London every year and even with well-supported "host" clubs like Spurs or the Arse, a much bigger population, and any number of tourists and expatriates etc, they still sometimes struggle to fill the stadia. And that's at rather lower ticket prices (I think) than €90.

[athloneman]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it the "League of Ireland Super Cup", too?

Or if they insist on Dublin Super Cup, have a "Dublin Select" playing?


You see your thinking and using your head, you should know by now the FAI dont think and they don't know what they are doing......

[sparky12345678]

Interesting to note also that it was the 29th of July last year that Shamrock Rovers played Juventus....
would there be any irony if inter had to pull out because they end up in the same position as juve? (they are curerntly 5th lol)

[pineapple stu]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it the "League of Ireland Super Cup", too?
Nah; we're the holders of that. Not giving over our trophy to some foreign side.

[Dodge]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it the "League of Ireland Super Cup", too?

Or if they insist on Dublin Super Cup, have a "Dublin Select" playing?

Not really. The Dublin comes from the location....

http://www.ticketmaster.ie/promo/vmbmjo?camefrom=CFC_IE_AFF_TDSC&brand=ie_tdsc

Tickets there for anyone who's interested.

[Straightstory]

Lots of Celtic fans cheering on their Scottish heroes against our lads. An even more embarrassing scenario than Man U last year. Could be very humiliating.

[Straightstory]

Here's the link - http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/4868/

[pineapple stu]

Threads merged.

[Straightstory]

Apologies - didn't see earlier thread.

[marinobohs]

Lots of Celtic fans cheering on their Scottish heroes against our lads. An even more embarrassing scenario than Man U last year. Could be very humiliating.

Nah, not to worry SS most celtic fans will never get beyond "Players Lounge" or that place in O'Connell Street where they will get p**sed and sing sectarian ballads (and calling those supporting LOI select "brits") before a night of listening to some band playing ....... sectarian ballads :rolleyes: ! those that do wander out into daylight will obviously end up in Dalymount by mistake where (on discovering the bar does cheap drink) they will set up camp and watch game on RTE (while singing........).

Real football fans them Lads.

[sparky12345678]

Lots of Celtic fans cheering on their Scottish heroes against our lads. An even more embarrassing scenario than Man U last year. Could be very humiliating.

well at least 3 times as humiliating

[Titan]

So this is what Limerick got rectally encroached over?

2 mickey mouse teams and Inter Milan?

Oh and not forgetting the LOI Select team.

Yeah I'll make sure I'm out of the country for that.

Why not invite a LOI Team to play in it if they must pretend they give a sh1t about LOI?

[BonnieShels]

There's a while to this. And unless Shams end up involved, ie. The league champions then there's no point.
I'm sick of the FAI. I'm sick of the unprofessional attitude. I'd attend I'd support Shams. I will never support an LOI XI. And I know there's many others like me.

[legendz]

I'm ok with the format and teams involved. Similar to the Emirates and Amsterdam tournaments which have worked well. Inter were always going to be the top billing. I've no qualms about a LoI representative side being selected. I just wish they had a game or two prior to the tournament, like a home and away clash with a Irish League XI in the spring.

[thejollyrodger]

here looking forward :D

[Rasputin]

Lots of Celtic fans cheering on their Scottish heroes against our lads. An even more embarrassing scenario than Man U last year. Could be very humiliating.
I refuse to believe it will be more cringeworthy than the Merchandise Mc United game.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

I refuse to believe it will be more cringeworthy than the Merchandise Mc United game.

1-6 then yeah?

[sparky12345678]

If the LOI select lose 2-0 3 times is that worse than 7-1?

I dont see how there is any sense in creating a LOI team unless it was billed as a sort of all star team; ie at the end of our season, like in the GAA.
In the middle of our league, and possibly (optimisticlly; which just goes to show how much faith FAI have) european participation, it is disruptive and just plain silly.
The league champions should be allowed go or i dno setanta cup champions, they would put up a more decent fight (see shams v juve) and most if not all LOI fans would get behind them....

That said i still cant fathom how those man ufans lived with themselves. As a united fan myself it was sickening to hear their cheers against an irish team.
you would think it would suit the irish soccer fan (particularly ABU's) to support the LOI team but nobody cares.

On a seperate note this came up in my sociology class. We were talking about identity and the lecturer says how hypocritical we are when we follow english teams but its taboo to support the english national team.
When i pointed out that its even more hypocritical to support the foreign team over your local team (or in this case the national representative team) which was proving his point he just said
"thats different because the quality of football in LOI is crap".
the ignorance...

[noddy102]

If the LOI select lose 2-0 3 times is that worse than 7-1?

The LOI select only plays Celtic and Man City, doesnt even play the 'Top Billing'!

Also don't players usually go away during this week off, id imagine holidays and weekend trips will be booked well in advance of a lazy Richardson selection... will be interesting to hear of 'injured' withdrawals!

[Freoch]

Id like to address the animosity here towards irish fans of foreign teams . I'm a Celtic fan and have been since i was young. There are no LOI teams where im from or within 60 miles of where i grew up and all my friends were liverpool fans. Following an English team didnt sit right with me and having read about celtic and the irish connection thats who i felt comfortable with.
Now I watch a bit of LOI and as a neutral I can tell you good games to watch are few and far between and when they are good it is more to do with the commitment of the players than technical skill (not that celtic are technically brilliant either).
But, it does seem that some of yee like to play the martyr with your local this and that, where nowadays at any club of a reasonable standard most of the players are foreign to the area of the club .
Most people dont want to go to an empty stadium to watch players that couldnt make it abroad. The standard in the LOI over the last couple of years has declined and will never reach the standard it had with Cork and Derry a few years ago because they had to cheat(thebooks) to sign players of that quality.
I guess in following your local clubs yee are Martyrs slowly dying while watching inferior football year on year.
Im not happy bout this but the loi is just not good enough to attract a crowd because people that get out and go to matches in ireland are following the gaa or rugby and when they want to see top class football theres a ferry to manchester.
I dont know how to change this but this is the way it is unfortunately.

[passinginterest]

Can. Worms. All over the place.

[Mr A]

This could be epic!

[pineapple stu]

Hello Murfinator.

[marinobohs]

Id like to address the animosity here towards irish fans of foreign teams . I'm a Celtic fan and have been since i was young. There are no LOI teams where im from or within 60 miles of where i grew up and all my friends were liverpool fans. Following an English team didnt sit right with me and having read about celtic and the irish connection thats who i felt comfortable with.
Now I watch a bit of LOI and as a neutral I can tell you good games to watch are few and far between and when they are good it is more to do with the commitment of the players than technical skill (not that celtic are technically brilliant either).
But, it does seem that some of yee like to play the martyr with your local this and that, where nowadays at any club of a reasonable standard most of the players are foreign to the area of the club .
Most people dont want to go to an empty stadium to watch players that couldnt make it abroad. The standard in the LOI over the last couple of years has declined and will never reach the standard it had with Cork and Derry a few years ago because they had to cheat(thebooks) to sign players of that quality.
I guess in following your local clubs yee are Martyrs slowly dying while watching inferior football year on year.
Im not happy bout this but the loi is just not good enough to attract a crowd because people that get out and go to matches in ireland are following the gaa or rugby and when they want to see top class football theres a ferry to manchester.
I dont know how to change this but this is the way it is unfortunately.

Will give the benifit of the doubt that this post is not a wind up.

- no LOI club for 60 miles ? presume Glasgow and/or Liverpool is less far or your argument pointless.
- Following an English team did not sit right but following a scottish one fine ? bizarre logic
- level in Scotland is not much better than LOI and light years from EPL. If you want "top class football" then you should be watching EPL or La Liga. Following SPL is not much different to watching LOI and certtainly not much better standard.
- RE LOI clubs cheating (the books) I suggest you check out the financial position in Scotland, reigning champions Rangers might be a good place to start
- RE Rugby and GAA very different markets that have little impact (in my opinion) on LOI crowds.
- No ferry to manchester but your point is fair and as long as people, like yourself, seek any excuse - no matter how weak - to support a foreign team them LOI will have limited support.

If you really want a team with strong "Irish connection" then you will find the LOI is full of them and not a connection over a hundred years ago.

[BonnieShels]

Now that Marino has firmly sorted that one out ever so eloquently... let's get back to the important matter of the Dublin *snigger* Super Cup.

[sparky12345678]

Id like to address the animosity here towards irish fans of foreign teams . I'm a Celtic fan and have been since i was young. There are no LOI teams where im from or within 60 miles of where i grew up and all my friends were liverpool fans. Following an English team didnt sit right with me and having read about celtic and the irish connection thats who i felt comfortable with.
Now I watch a bit of LOI and as a neutral I can tell you good games to watch are few and far between and when they are good it is more to do with the commitment of the players than technical skill (not that celtic are technically brilliant either).
But, it does seem that some of yee like to play the martyr with your local this and that, where nowadays at any club of a reasonable standard most of the players are foreign to the area of the club .
Most people dont want to go to an empty stadium to watch players that couldnt make it abroad. The standard in the LOI over the last couple of years has declined and will never reach the standard it had with Cork and Derry a few years ago because they had to cheat(thebooks) to sign players of that quality.
I guess in following your local clubs yee are Martyrs slowly dying while watching inferior football year on year.
Im not happy bout this but the loi is just not good enough to attract a crowd because people that get out and go to matches in ireland are following the gaa or rugby and when they want to see top class football theres a ferry to manchester.
I dont know how to change this but this is the way it is unfortunately.

Just wanted to respond because as a relativly new LOI fan I used to follow united and specifically celtic for the same reasons as yourself.

You complain that there is no LOI team within 60 miles (which i actually dont believe) so you cant get attached and yet you research a team (presumably) miles away to find some sort of vague nationalistic connection.
In the GAA im from Dublin so i suppot them to the death but because my Grandad was from Galway they come next, I have a soft spot for Mayo for a variety of reasons and like to see the underdogs do well and basically anyone but Meath Kerry or Cork. Which basically covers me for every game.
Alot of people will follow a second GAA team because of their parents, or because they lived there etc.
Are you telling me that there is not one LOI team that you could find a remote connection with (at least as remote as glasgow celtic...)?
You say you watch it as a neutral which is fair enough but that the standard isnt nice to watch.
In the GAA no matter how ****e Dublin play or no matter how ****e the standard is people will follow their local (GAA) club.
Following a team isnt about their amazing skills its about an identity.
The standard in SPL is certainly not much better (see connor sammon) than LOI, and is surely in stark decline.
Its not that you *must* follow a LOI club and no other club anywhere or your not a real fan.
But that its so hypocritical (and i count myself as one of them) to get hyped up about some foreign team no matter how crap they are playing at a specific moment in time at the expense of any interest in a local team because the "standard" is not good.

The premier league can have **** games. La Liga has **** games. SPL certainly has **** games. Thats not what football is about.

[Rasputin]

In the GAA no matter how ****e Dublin play or no matter how ****e the standard is people will follow their local (GAA) club.
This is actually something I wanted to touch upon.
The standard of GAA in the country is worse than the standard of LOI Football in this country.
Now many would rightly say, how can this be judged since they are different sporting codes.
Firstly there are many lads who could not cut it at Rovers underage teams that are now playing regularly for Sligo GAA, they couldnt meet the standard at Rovers.
I am sure it is the same for many other clubs around the country.
Also there is a massive chasm between professional athletes and amateur, the GAA is no different.
Ask any athlete that has made the step from amateur to professional, the difference is massive.

[sparky12345678]

This is actually something I wanted to touch upon.
The standard of GAA in the country is worse than the standard of LOI Football in country.
Now many would rightly say, how can this be judged since they are different sporting codes.
There are many lads who could not cut it at Rovers underage teams that are now play regularly for Sligo

well ye. Its not necessarily because in both codes the standard can be below par at times. But that in GAA we follow our team/county/club because of the identity we have the affinity we have with it. In every country in the world people follow their local soccer team with more pride than we see here.
There are examples of countries im sure which have a largeish fan base supporting premier league but i doubt youd get the sam hostility towards the LOI or the same condescending dismissal

[legendz]

Fair points are made about the GAA. Junior and Intermediate All-Irleand Clubs Championships are getting good support at this time. I've been to these games. The standard isn't great but it is all about identity.
Not having a LoI club within 60 miles is actually very credible. The distance from Tralee to Limerick is about 53 miles? Give or take 10% of the distance, 60 miles isn't far wrong. For the league to be strong, it needs a strong base. A strong base will come from having most, if not all, regions of the country having a LoI team. There should be a club within an hours drive for the majority of the population.
Sparky makes some good points, especially regards a second team or area. It's not going to apply to everyone though. I don't live in Kerry at the moment but I only want to get behind a Kerry club. I wish Limerick well but I'm not from Limerick so it's not the same. It's hard to get behind Tralee Dynamos when there is so much uncertainty as to where they will be after this years A Championship. Clubs outside the 22 aren't really part of the LoI footballing family. I haven't seen or heard them having in any say in the restructuring of the league.

[Jofspring]

One of the main problems there is having enough teams willing to step up and join the LOI. I would love a league with representitives from all over the country. It would add a great spread and would probably have fans travelling to counties that they never would have(non GAA fans anyway). If it wasn't for supporting the LOI I probably wouldn't have ever travelled to Athlone, Longford, Cobh or visited grounds like Terryland Park, Turners Cross, Tolka Park, Station Road, Buckley Park, St. Colemans etc....

Most people when they are younger follow the crowd and support English or Scottish clubs which is understandable. I would think most of us here did unless they where brought to LOI games since they where young.

Agree with Sparky too, the amount of rubbish EPL and SPL league games Ive watched over the last ten years or so out weighs the great ones if you ask me. Watching football or any sport for that matter isn't all about technical skill either. Its about excitement and competitiveness. You can have two crap teams play an entertaining competitive game. Look at the numbers that go out and watch non league football in England. They don't do it to watch the technical ability of the players but do it to support their home club or nearest club they feel affiliated to.

Oh and Dublin Super Cup Booooo.

[bluemovie]

Id like to address the animosity here towards irish fans of foreign teams . I'm a Celtic fan and have been since i was young. There are no LOI teams where im from or within 60 miles of where i grew up and all my friends were liverpool fans. Following an English team didnt sit right with me and having read about celtic and the irish connection thats who i felt comfortable with.
Now I watch a bit of LOI and as a neutral I can tell you good games to watch are few and far between and when they are good it is more to do with the commitment of the players than technical skill (not that celtic are technically brilliant either).
But, it does seem that some of yee like to play the martyr with your local this and that, where nowadays at any club of a reasonable standard most of the players are foreign to the area of the club .
Most people dont want to go to an empty stadium to watch players that couldnt make it abroad. The standard in the LOI over the last couple of years has declined and will never reach the standard it had with Cork and Derry a few years ago because they had to cheat(thebooks) to sign players of that quality.
I guess in following your local clubs yee are Martyrs slowly dying while watching inferior football year on year.
Im not happy bout this but the loi is just not good enough to attract a crowd because people that get out and go to matches in ireland are following the gaa or rugby and when they want to see top class football theres a ferry to manchester.
I dont know how to change this but this is the way it is unfortunately.

Don't sit too close to the screen. It can hurt your eyes.

[sparky12345678]

One of the main problems there is having enough teams willing to step up and join the LOI. I would love a league with representitives from all over the country. It would add a great spread and would probably have fans travelling to counties that they never would have(non GAA fans anyway). If it wasn't for supporting the LOI I probably wouldn't have ever travelled to Athlone, Longford, Cobh or visited grounds like Terryland Park, Turners Cross, Tolka Park, Station Road, Buckley Park, St. Colemans etc....

Most people when they are younger follow the crowd and support English or Scottish clubs which is understandable. I would think most of us here did unless they where brought to LOI games since they where young.

Agree with Sparky too, the amount of rubbish EPL and SPL league games Ive watched over the last ten years or so out weighs the great ones if you ask me. Watching football or any sport for that matter isn't all about technical skill either. Its about excitement and competitiveness. You can have two crap teams play an entertaining competitive game. Look at the numbers that go out and watch non league football in England. They don't do it to watch the technical ability of the players but do it to support their home club or nearest club they feel affiliated to.

Oh and Dublin Super Cup Booooo.

To further the fields of analogies. I watched an american football game last sunday.
It started at 1130 it ifnished near on 3 am.
It took 45 minutes to run down 15 minutes on a clock! it also happened to be the super bowl final. Where its more of an occasion than a match, note the millitray jets!
most games including even the most memorable of football games (man u's comeback v munich) have some excitment in the midst of a relativly boring game.
Its the excitment, the passion, the emotions we feel as a result of those missed kicks, those horrible mistakes that lose/win a game, those split seconds that change a game, tiniest of inches keep a ball in or out (drogheda v kiev)
The "LOI has a crap standard of football" is the worst argument to make. period.

[Jinxy]

This is actually something I wanted to touch upon.
The standard of GAA in the country is worse than the standard of LOI Football in this country.
Now many would rightly say, how can this be judged since they are different sporting codes.
Firstly there are many lads who could not cut it at Rovers underage teams that are now playing regularly for Sligo GAA, they couldnt meet the standard at Rovers.
I am sure it is the same for many other clubs around the country.
Also there is a massive chasm between professional athletes and amateur, the GAA is no different.
Ask any athlete that has made the step from amateur to professional, the difference is massive.

Would Tiger Woods meet the standard at Rovers?
He must be sh*t at golf so!

[Red Army]

Mongs.

[Dodge]

Ads at tonights game called the team an Irish League XI

Not Airtricity League XI, not League of Ireland XI

[Lim till i die]

This is actually something I wanted to touch upon.
The standard of GAA in the country is worse than the standard of LOI Football in this country.
Now many would rightly say, how can this be judged since they are different sporting codes.
Firstly there are many lads who could not cut it at Rovers underage teams that are now playing regularly for Sligo GAA, they couldnt meet the standard at Rovers.
I am sure it is the same for many other clubs around the country.
Also there is a massive chasm between professional athletes and amateur, the GAA is no different.
Ask any athlete that has made the step from amateur to professional, the difference is massive.

http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4969323/not-sure-if-serious.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Starebert



There's legs for horses now and there's legs for tables

[Lim till i die]

Ads at tonights game called the team an Irish League XI

Not Airtricity League XI, not League of Ireland XI

Would make more sense, it's the Irish Leagues off season afterall.

[Red Army]

I think it should be renamed the Dublin super duper cup HD

[marinobohs]

Ads at tonights game called the team an Irish League XI

Not Airtricity League XI, not League of Ireland XI

....... phew, not that I expect Bohs will have too many in any LOI select :( but after the man ure debacle our FAI overlords have obviously decided that the Irish League are more likely to drag our "football loving nation" off those bar stools than those LOI peasants that let us down against Rooney et al !
On a positive note, they got the names of Inter Milan, Celtic and Man City right :rolleyes:

[TheBoss]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/0609/airtricity_supercup.html

[legendz]

I hope the XI do better than last season. I also hope the XI have no player from our European representatives, as all going well they will be enjoying a good run in Europe!

What I saw as a good read from last year on the fans of them across the water:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/plastic-fans-should-be-wooed-not-slated-2298606.html

[redobit]

We should be in the middle of our European games. So none of our lads involved with a bit of luck.

[DannyInvincible]

As my friend pointed out to me yesterday after seeing the somewhat hyperbolic description of the tournament on the official website, spot the odd two out:


"Some of the World Class players on show will include Wesley Sneijder, Samuel Eto’o, David Silva, Scott Brown and Anthony Stokes."

[poster]

"Some of the World Class players on show will include Wesley Sneijder, Samuel Eto’o, David Silva, Scott Brown and Anthony Stokes."

hahaaha! Samuel Eto'o!

[nigel-harps1954]

What I saw as a good read from last year on the fans of them across the water:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/plastic-fans-should-be-wooed-not-slated-2298606.html

I nearly got sick halfway through that article.