Dublin Super Cup

[DannyInvincible]

Rico is a fuking headache. If I hear him say 'apply yourself' one more time I'll stick a dictionary down his throat. :D

Jesus, could you imagine him with even more words in his mouth?

[Charlie Darwin]

I hate to say it as I've always admired the man, but Rico has been put in to flog a dead horse. I still think he's one of the best managers in Ireland, though what can he do with an understrength side against full time pros and he and the players all being treated like crap. If the LOI had any gumption they'd insist the FAI (as the guardians of the game) organise a regular LOI Select and have them play matches not just when it suits JD and his cronies to get a few more bucks.
Why would the clubs want them playing even more games?

[pineapple stu]

Hilarious wikipedia edit alert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Super_Cup) (the LoI points total).

Anyone see any attendance figures anywhere? Looked sparse enough on the highlights I saw yesterday, but there were big parts of the ground out of shot obviously. Are we looking at a possibility of it having made a loss and maybe discontinued?

[Ezeikial]

I hate to say it as I've always admired the man, but Rico has been put in to flog a dead horse.

Richardson is a dead horse.

[liamoo11]

Kearns got a bit of the old he has potential phrase off lennon in his sky interview

[White Horse]

Kearns got a bit of the old he has potential phrase off lennon in his sky interview

ie. the lad looked great and I might try to sign him for peanuts.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

What a party the weekend was. The Players Lounge was bouncing from 11am to midnight on Saturday. Pretty much everyone in the stadium was a Celtic fan, there was around 15,000 there on the Saturday. Had to spend day at hospital Sunday so missed LOI game. Was hoping for a draw, shame it was such a bad beating. It was a weak enough Celtic team as well but maybe they got tired playing two games in two days, it was a big ask.

[Straightstory]

Our league once more humbled and humiliated. Now it's left to our teams in Europe to try and get some good results to make up for this complete fiasco. Damian Richardson has made himself look like a hopeless fool. He has lost all respect from LOI fans. Strange to think I actually used to quite admire the man.
Attendances seem to have been very poor, which is some consolation. Hopefully we've seen the last of this disastrous, laughable tournament.

[oriel]

I was first in line at the traffic lights beside Eircom HQ near Heuston. And 3 lads walked by wearing Celtic jerseys. It was fierce tempting...

Why? What exactly is the reasoning for the anti celtic stuff on here. I`d have a lot more respect for people in Ireland supporting Celtic than man u, liverpool, and eh 'man city'

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Why? What exactly is the reasoning for the anti celtic stuff on here. I`d have a lot more respect for people in Ireland supporting Celtic than man u, liverpool, and eh 'man city'


It's not even worth getting into on here, they'll be around you like a pack of wolves baiting and mocking you. You reply you find yourself banned. If I came out with a comment on here like that I'd be banned in a heartbeat. Purely because I support Celtic I get banned off here for the most laughable things, so take my advice and not even go there mate.

The Celtic support travelled over in numbers, behaved themselves, drank hard and had a good time around Dublin as I knew they would be. Even my flight over was bonkers with singing. Everyone just seemed to be up for it so much. I hope this is an annual thing with teams that bring a support next time. Waste of time inviting Inter Milan and the LOI XI.

[bluewhitearmy]

Why? What exactly is the reasoning for the anti celtic stuff on here. I`d have a lot more respect for people in Ireland supporting Celtic than man u, liverpool, and eh 'man city'

But its the same thing?

[Dunny]

What a party the weekend was. The Players Lounge was bouncing from 11am to midnight on Saturday. Pretty much everyone in the stadium was a Celtic fan, there was around 15,000 there on the Saturday. Had to spend day at hospital Sunday so missed LOI game. Was hoping for a draw, shame it was such a bad beating. It was a weak enough Celtic team as well but maybe they got tired playing two games in two days, it was a big ask.

Our day will come. :)

[oriel]

But its the same thing?

No it is not. the irish 'fans' of man u & liverpool and any other english team will generally turn anti england once international football kicks in even if they are playing a 3rd rate side. This is one of the most cringo things I see in this country, make my blood boil, and the clowns just cant see the irony. Then we have people from all over the country ringing up shows like Today fm after 5 on a saturday and telling the nation all about 'we' and 'us'

I also support celtic, my first team is Dundalk and always will be, but i would never want scotland to lose, to be honest I have no interest really in england, more interested in Ireland. Celtic have a strong tradition in Ireland that not many teams can match. Also agree re the fans who travelled from all over Ireland, Scotland (others I met were based on the continent) every one I saw was well behaved, up for a brilliant weekend and really enjoying the friendship they witnessed. But that wasnt good enough for some people.

[monkey9]

No it is not. the irish 'fans' of man u & liverpool and any other english team will generally turn anti england once international football kicks in even if they are playing a 3rd rate side. This is one of the most cringo things I see in this country, make my blood boil, and the clowns just cant see the irony. Then we have people from all over the country ringing up shows like Today fm after 5 on a saturday and telling the nation all about 'we' and 'us'

I also support celtic, my first team is Dundalk and always will be, but i would never want scotland to lose, to be honest I have no interest really in england, more interested in Ireland. Celtic have a strong tradition in Ireland that not many teams can match. Also agree re the fans who travelled from all over Ireland, Scotland (others I met were based on the continent) every one I saw was well behaved, up for a brilliant weekend and really enjoying the friendship they witnessed. But that wasnt good enough for some people.

So what if Irish Liverpool, Man Utd fans etc cheer against the English national side? What's the English national side got to do with anything? There's plenty of English fans of these clubs who don't support the English side, who would actually cheer against them. There are plenty of LOI fans who don't cheer on the Irish national side.

Irish fans of the Premier League clubs don't play up on any Irishness, rightly or wrongly. They support a British club and are aware of it. What's 'cringo' is Irish Celtic fans pretending they're being patriotic by supporting an 'Irish' team who represent Scotland and Britain, wearing their tricolours at Lansdowne Road and cheering on their British based side against an actual Irish side while singing the Fields of Athenry!

[bennocelt]

And remember all the whining when they wanted to join the English premier league, and what about the poppies - ha ha yeah irish alright,lol

[ped_ped]

How many Celtic fans are also supporters of Scotland?

[BonnieShels]

Why? What exactly is the reasoning for the anti celtic stuff on here. I`d have a lot more respect for people in Ireland supporting Celtic than man u, liverpool, and eh 'man city'
I have no respect for anybody who turned up at that tournament and cheered for everyone of those 5 goals. To me they're the same as those flutes who cheered for Man City and the ones who where there last year cheering for Man U.

Very happy this monstrosity is over.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

And remember all the whining when they wanted to join the English premier league, and what about the poppies - ha ha yeah irish alright,lol

Celtic are instructed to wear them by the SPL itself. Every team wears them. The one emblem they do chose to wear iS the Irish Famine Memorial. Funny no Irish team supports it.


Irish fans of the Premier League clubs don't play up on any Irishness, rightly or wrongly. They support a British club and are aware of it. What's 'cringo' is Irish Celtic fans pretending they're being patriotic by supporting an 'Irish' team who represent Scotland and Britain, wearing their tricolours at Lansdowne Road and cheering on their British based side against an actual Irish side while singing the Fields of Athenry!

There's nothing 'cringe' about people of Irish descent singing Irish songs. Much the same way we'll have people of Polish descent who will take a keen interest in their heritage. Not everyone there with an Ireland flag was Irish born. You make assumptions despite not being at the game.

Celtic fans have always been friends of Ireland. During the independence struggle be it in 1920 or 1969, Celtic supporters have always supported Ireland's cause and campaigned and collected money for the various causes and the club itself through it's Charity Fund support Irish charities, such as Saint Vincent De Paul and have done more than any Irish club in trying to help charitable causes in Ireland.

Some people should educate themselves on the Irish Diaspora. Some people in Ireland are so ignorant to this vital part of the Irish nation it's cringeworthy.

[dong]

It's not even worth getting into on here, they'll be around you like a pack of wolves baiting and mocking you. You reply you find yourself banned. If I came out with a comment on here like that I'd be banned in a heartbeat. Purely because I support Celtic I get banned off here for the most laughable things, so take my advice and not even go there mate.

The Celtic support travelled over in numbers, behaved themselves, drank hard and had a good time around Dublin as I knew they would be. Even my flight over was bonkers with singing. Everyone just seemed to be up for it so much. I hope this is an annual thing with teams that bring a support next time. Waste of time inviting Inter Milan and the LOI XI.

If the team you support doesn't actually play in your back garden or have not played there at some point in their history then it is not valid to call yourself a fan.
Everybody knows that.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Here one thing you all might find funny. My mate from Glasgow was at the LOI game and said some folk turned up in Man United tops and were fighting Man City fans and causing bother giving City fans abuse. These idiots were Irish, paying €50 in to watch their rivals just to abuse them and show what big United fans they were. They take the term 'moronic' to a new extreme!

[TiocfaidhArmani]

If the team you support doesn't actually play in your back garden or have not played there at some point in their history then it is not valid to call yourself a fan.
Everybody knows that.

The links with Ireland have always been there, you chose to ignore them, that's your issue. Ireland is in the club and fans hearts. That was evident to see the weekend. I live in Glasgow by the way, so they are my local team now, but that's not the point :D

[shellyriver]

Our league once more humbled and humiliated. Now it's left to our teams in Europe to try and get some good results to make up for this complete fiasco. Damian Richardson has made himself look like a hopeless fool. He has lost all respect from LOI fans. Strange to think I actually used to quite admire the man.
Attendances seem to have been very poor, which is some consolation. Hopefully we've seen the last of this disastrous, laughable tournament.

Quite right, I can't understand how Ricco can select Danny Ventre -- who can't get into Sligo Rovers. Surely there are more able 'utility players'. Sad reflection on either Ricco's selection and/or FAI politics. When you consider that Quigley -- a wonderful player was short-listed, it really says it all. This is merely a Dublin Bord Failtesque football tourism package, a beer-sodden nostaglic trip with a view to beating the Paddys.

[nigel-harps1954]

Celtic are instructed to wear them by the SPL itself. Every team wears them. The one emblem they do chose to wear iS the Irish Famine Memorial. Funny no Irish team supports it.

I guess there is one 'Irish' team who supports it? Didn't celtic make that up themselves? Obviously it's a case of 'we have thousands of silly irish people paying to watch celtic every week. Lets embrace this rubbish'

[Patrick Dunne]

Celtic are a PLC who milk the "Paddy factor" because there's millions in it.

Galway United would do the exact same, if we thought that even 200 people from Scotland would come to our home matches, we would promote ourselves as "Irelands Scottish club". Lets not beat about the bush here.

[A N Mouse]

The links with Ireland have always been there, you chose to ignore them, that's your issue. Ireland is in the club and fans hearts. That was evident to see the weekend. I live in Glasgow by the way, so they are my local team now, but that's not the point :D

So your position, as some kind of patriot :rolleyes:, is that the fai should continue this, farce, and each year ireland should be represented by the only truly irish team - they are after all more irish than the national team.

As they're so keen to give back to irish society I'm sure they'd be willing to accept the same fee the loi representitives got this year.

Or, maybe as they harbour such affection in their hearts for the motherland they should petition for entry to the loi, instead of the epl.

[DannyInvincible]

I wouldn't consider myself a Celtic supporter or even an "apologist", but Irish people generally having a soft spot for Celtic doesn't really bother me a huge deal. The club certainly exploit the Irish card for the obvious profit potential therein, but their cultural and social roots are undeniably Irish at the same time and I suppose it's something, along with their long-term affiliation with the Glaswegian Irish immigrant community, they haven't been ashamed to celebrate in the face of significant animosity from dominant Scottish unionist society over the last century and a bit. They could easily have played down that aspect of their identity to better blend into dominant Scottish society. I'd be somewhat apprehensive about referring to Celtic as a "British club", for example. Such a tag doesn't really seem congruous for whatever reason. I wouldn't call Derry City or even Donegal Celtic "British clubs" either, for example. Just so long as those in Ireland who support Celtic are aware that supporting them is not necessarily somehow "more Irish" or more patriotic than supporting a team in Ireland - I dunno how it ever could be - I'm not overly bothered with it. Celebrating goals against our national league team whilst simultaneously waving tricolours and "Erin go Bragh" flags just seems a bit odd or bipolar to me, but whatever gives people their kicks...

On the fund-raising point, League of Ireland clubs raise funds for and contribute to plenty of Irish causes as well, I'm sure. The most prominent in the last season or two would probably have been Bohs and Rovers doing the pink jersey scheme to raise money for the Irish Cancer Society's "Action Breast Cancer" campaign. Derry City have raised money for Children in Crossfire in the past. I'd be stunned if other clubs all over the country weren't regularly raising money for Irish causes when possible. Irish causes don't necessarily have to be overtly political or politically emotive - like the Irish Famine Memorial fund - but then, these will naturally be the ones that appeal to Celtic and its fans in Ireland for obvious reasons; supporting Celtic often being viewed, whether erroneously or not, as a limb or essential offshoot of Irish republican patriotism.

[legendz]

After the incidents last week and lack of respect shown to the LoI squad, I went right off the competition and barely kept an ear out on how it went. Hopefully this week there will be good results in Europe to reflect well on the league.

[bennocelt]

Celtic are instructed to wear them by the SPL itself. Every team wears them. The one emblem they do chose to wear iS the Irish Famine Memorial. Funny no Irish team supports it.
.

Not much of the irish rebel there then
Whats your opinion then on joining the EPL?

edit - as p Dunne says quite rightly - they just use it to milk the fans

[BonnieShels]

Danny, you more or less have it. But the main reason that there is anomosity towards Celtic mostly stems from the forceful nature of their supporters of why they support them and just how Irish they are.
We are all aware of their Irish heritage and there's no denying that. But there's a sizeable amount of people out there, including myself, who get a pain in their craw watching things like the game yesterday.

I know TA gets a bit of a hard time on here but he's not the worst, at least he supports an Irish club and at least lives in Glasgow!

[BonnieShels]

What a party the weekend was. The Players Lounge was bouncing from 11am to midnight on Saturday. Pretty much everyone in the stadium was a Celtic fan, there was around 15,000 there on the Saturday. Had to spend day at hospital Sunday so missed LOI game. Was hoping for a draw, shame it was such a bad beating. It was a weak enough Celtic team as well but maybe they got tired playing two games in two days, it was a big ask.

Seems like its the last Dublin Super Cup to be celebrated at the Lounge.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0802/playerslounge.html

[DannyInvincible]

Tied up the manager? As in Stokes' da? A hive of activity, certainly.

[BonnieShels]

Yep. Seems like that. Used to actually enjoy watching the odd match there when I lived in Drumcondra.

There was an air that something like this may happen given the amount of cash that flowed through over this weekend.

[paul_oshea]

Ya it was well thought out. A pity they didn't get their days wrong and did it with all the celtic fans in there.

I'm sure its related to all these other incidents that went before also.

[marinobohs]

Yep. Seems like that. Used to actually enjoy watching the odd match there when I lived in Drumcondra.

There was an air that something like this may happen given the amount of cash that flowed through over this weekend.

Judging by the crowds there on Sat/Sun night, Players Lounge must have taken in a fortune over the weekend so no surprise it was a priime target for robbery. Usually heavy security there (3 on door on Sat night as I passed) so brave men that robbed it.

Not my type of spot, but at a time many pubs are having difficulty in surviving the PL is doing (or was doing) good business (even without the Queens shilling;))

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Ya it was well thought out. A pity they didn't get their days wrong and did it with all the celtic fans in there.

I'm sure its related to all these other incidents that went before also.

A shameful comment, but not surprising on here.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Seems like its the last Dublin Super Cup to be celebrated at the Lounge.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0802/playerslounge.html


It'll be back, don't you worry.

On another note I hear Liverpool and Celtic are likely for next year. Roll on the party next year and rebel do's all over Dublin again :D

[marinobohs]

It'll be back, don't you worry.

On another note I hear Liverpool and Celtic are likely for next year. Roll on the party next year and rebel do's all over Dublin again :D

Excellent news ! and given Liverpools historic links with Ireland perhaps first prize can be "Britians favorite Ireland team" award :o

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Excellent news ! and given Liverpools historic links with Ireland perhaps first prize can be "Britians favorite Ireland team" award :o

As funny as a boot in the nuts :D

[WoodquayBoy]

Depends on who the recepient of said boot is

[placid casual]

TA,
Do you find it tiresome that people on this forum dont give you the credibility you clearly feel you deserve?

[BonnieShels]

It'll be back, don't you worry.

On another note I hear Liverpool and Celtic are likely for next year. Roll on the party next year and rebel do's all over Dublin again :D


I don't doubt that for a second.

Yippee!!!

[marinobohs]

As funny as a boot in the nuts :D

Huge number of Irish people in Liverpool due to emigration over the decades and were one of the earliest recipients of our EPL lovers when people travelled over on the old "cattle boats" since the 1950's leading up to the current numbers that regularly (if misguidedly) travel over week in week out. Far more links with Dublin (in particular) and Ireland than Scotlands second city has.

Or do these type of links only count when its Glasgow ?

[DannyInvincible]

In fairness, Glasgow does have a large Irish diaspora with very significant Donegal connections. There was even an area in the Gorbals known as "Little Donegal". Variants of surnames like Doherty, Boyle or O'Donnell are relatively common and it's no surprise that the roots of Irish Glaswegians such Aiden McGeady (Gweedore roots), James McCarthy (Gweedore roots), Owen Coyle (Gortahork-Gweedore roots), Ray Houghton (Buncrana roots) and Charlie Gallagher who played for Ireland were all Donegal-based.

[Charlie Darwin]

We used to go on holidays to Gortahork when I was a kid. John Hume was always hanging around.

[marinobohs]

In fairness, Glasgow does have a large Irish diaspora with very significant Donegal connections. There was even an area in the Gorbals known as "Little Donegal". Variants of surnames like Doherty, Boyle or O'Donnell are relatively common and it's no surprise that the roots of Irish Glaswegians such Aiden McGeady (Gweedore roots), James McCarthy (Gweedore roots), Owen Coyle (Gortahork-Gweedore roots), Ray Houghton (Buncrana roots) and Charlie Gallagher who played for Ireland were all Donegal-based.

Just as Liverpool has a large Irish diaspora - and not just confined to Donegal. Personally dont get the "more Irish than the Irish" nonsence peddled by Celtic but each to thier own (perhaps if they stuck to the Donegal club rather than the Irish club :cool:)

[DannyInvincible]

Personally dont get the "more Irish than the Irish" nonsence peddled by Celtic but each to thier own

No disagreement there.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Liverpool as a city, yes. As a football club, their founding had nothing to do with the Irish community there. Celtic on the other hand......

Some of you really don't know your history.

PS, the damage to the Players Lounge is not as bad as first thought. The front is extensively damaged but back of the pub is just smoke damage.

[DannyInvincible]

Everton were the club traditionally associated with the Irish diaspora in Liverpool, if I'm not mistaken.

[Spudulika]

Everton were the club traditionally associated with the Irish diaspora in Liverpool, if I'm not mistaken.

Everton were the traditional Irish-Catholic club in a city where the orangemen marched freely. Years ago I was on a show in Torquay and a guest in my hotel, from Liverpool, asked me where I was from. I told him and he laughed, and told me he was from the capital of Ireland - Liverpool. I didn't take it on board but heard the same thing back home afterwards.

What we don't realise fully in Ireland is that for hundreds of years Irish people have moved over and back to GB - going back to late medieval times - for work or simply to survive. I know Magicme will support me in the case of Monaghan folks who ended up massively in one province in Canada who went via Glasgow. In the winter they worked in Glasgow and the West of Scotland, in summer they worked their small holdings in the drumlins. Eventually they got the call to head to a place called Prince Edward Island in Canada where to this day they consider themselves "real" Irish. I never had any problem with that, if it helps them sleep at night so be it. It's better that we tap into this diaspora than looking down our noses on them.

In Ireland we're more British than the British, so no surprise we still follow goings on on the mainland.

[osarusan]

Some of you really don't know your history.

And you don't know your geography.