EA Sports League Cup 2011

[nr637]

Final confirmed for Turners Cross at 6pm on Saturday 24th September

[pateen]

Bring it on

[poster]

******!

Great game though, Derry seem to have some great bench players.

[BonnieShels]

Turners Cross thank god

Was it a double-headed coin supplied by the MFA?

[Dodge]

Cork are the 7th first division side to reach the League Cup final. None of those 7 have won promotion that season.

(So far 2 wins, 4 defeats)

[razor]

Was it a double-headed coin supplied by the MFA?I think there was a Queen on either side.
It's well known the MFA don't have any money. (Although hosting this event for the FAI might help)


None of those 7 have won promotion that season.Oh no, we're doomed.
Surely you mean the previous 6 :D

[Dodge]

maybe wishful thinking, eh? :D

[micls]

maybe wishful thinking, eh? :D

Ah Dodge, you'll make people think you don't like us or something!

[Dodge]

Yeah, I just want Cork fans thinking that ;)

[Ezeikial]

the coin toss takes place at 12.30pm today.


Proper order that it should have been decided by a coin toss.

Could it be that the FAI have learned a little bit about fairness since the Setanta final venue nonsense?

[holidaysong]

The League Cup final venue has always been decided by a coin toss in recent years, while the Setanta Cup final venue has always been at the discretion of the organisers. Linfield playing Shels in Tolka, Drogheda playing Linfield in Windsor Park, Glentoran playing Cork in Turner's Cross - none of those were decided by a coin toss. The League Cup finals in Derry, Wexford and Waterford have all been decided by a coin toss though. Different procedures for different competitions.

[Martinho II]

its nice to see the two old clubs back in the final for the first time in three years... some comeback from both clubs..

[bullit]

Goals and penos from Tues nights Semi.

http://vimeo.com/28118968

[Ezeikial]

The League Cup final venue has always been decided by a coin toss in recent years, while the Setanta Cup final venue has always been at the discretion of the organisers. Linfield playing Shels in Tolka, Drogheda playing Linfield in Windsor Park, Glentoran playing Cork in Turner's Cross - none of those were decided by a coin toss. The League Cup finals in Derry, Wexford and Waterford have all been decided by a coin toss though. Different procedures for different competitions.

Even if you are correct in this (and Bohemian fans may take issue about the 2009 decider) it does not justify the Setanta decision which flew in the face of fair play.

Any Participation Agreement I have seen gives the FAI almost unlimited powers to do as they see fit - I doubt if the "coin toss" is written into the EA Sports Cup rules.

Unless the final venue is pre-determined from the outset the coin toss (or mutual agreement of the clubs) is the only fair method. They got it right with the EA Sports Cup and wrong with the Setanta Sports Cup.

[Dodge]

In your opinion, as a Dundalk fan.

Others, like myself and holidaysong, disagree.

[razor]

Unless the final venue is pre-determined from the outset the coin toss (or mutual agreement of the clubs) is the only fair method. They got it right with the EA Sports Cup.Hold on a minute.
Turns out it wasn't a coin toss after all.
They drew lots (http://www.corkcityfc.net/home/2011/08/24/ea-sports-cup-final-to-be-played-at-turners-cross/).

So basically it boiled down to the fact that whoever we had there was able to draw more than the Derry representative :D

[Charlie Darwin]

I thought Setanta picked the location of the Setanta Cup final. Tallaght is the best LOI stadium for TV so it makes perfect sense to have the game there.

[Dunny]

Whos paying for the medals this year?...

[Dodge]

On Setanta, when it was originally announced, they said that the final would alternate between Tolka park and Windsor Park. If two teams from same league played, then the venue would not be alternated.

So the venues have been

2005 - LOI v IL - Tolka (pre-determined)
2006 - LOI v LOI - Tolka (Pre-determined as no IL involvement)
2007 - LOI v IL - Windsor (pre-determined - rotation back in)
2008 - LOI v IL - Turners Cross (organisers wanted crowd, Turners Cross picked as Tolka would be empty)
2009/10 - LOI v LOI - Tallaght (picked by organisers, not pre-determined)
2011 - LOI v LOI - Tallaght (picked by organisers, not pre-determined)

Now it was hardly a surprise that Tallaghy was picked in 2011 IMO

Shame it looks like being the last final

[Ezeikial]

In your opinion, as a Dundalk fan.

Others, like myself and holidaysong, disagree.

Of course it is an opinion and one that I would hold in the circumstances that existed even if Dundalk had not been involved.


On Setanta, when it was originally announced, they said that the final would alternate between Tolka park and Windsor Park. If two teams from same league played, then the venue would not be alternated.

So the venues have been

2005 - LOI v IL - Tolka (pre-determined)
2006 - LOI v LOI - Tolka (Pre-determined as no IL involvement)
2007 - LOI v IL - Windsor (pre-determined - rotation back in)
2008 - LOI v IL - Turners Cross (organisers wanted crowd, Turners Cross picked as Tolka would be empty)
2009/10 - LOI v LOI - Tallaght (picked by organisers, not pre-determined)
2011 - LOI v LOI - Tallaght (picked by organisers, not pre-determined)

Now it was hardly a surprise that Tallaghy was picked in 2011 IMO

Shame it looks like being the last final

I don't want to sidetrack this League Cup thread back to the Setanta final venue debate, but want to clarify this part -

There can be no reasonable objection to a final venue where it was pre-determined at the outset of the competition.

The problem is when the two finalists are known that it is arbitarily awarded to the home ground of one of the finalists.

That certainly happened this year (and perhaps also in 2008). It is wrong from a sporting perspective and contrary to all notions of fair play in my view.

The reasons given by the Setanta Sports Committee (essentially the FAI) for Tallaght was to facilitate the biggest possible attendance. If that logic were followed in the EA Sports Cup decision this season the FAI would would automatically have gone for Turners Cross. Lots / coin toss was the right way to decide the venue.

[Dodge]

Of course it is an opinion and one that I would hold in the circumstances that existed even if Dundalk had not been involved.
You wouldn't be talking about it 3 months later if it didn't imvolve Dundalk...




The problem is when the two finalists are known that it is arbitarily awarded to the home ground of one of the finalists.
Well thats a problem when we have so many poor grounds in this country (Oriel & Richmond included)

[Ezeikial]

You wouldn't be talking about it 3 months later if it didn't imvolve Dundalk...


That is true but does not dilute the point.



Well thats a problem when we have so many poor grounds in this country (Oriel & Richmond included)

If those grounds are good enough for every other match, they are good enough for the final.

If the criteria were exclusively based on the best ground or biggest capacity then Turners Cross would have automatically got the EA Sports Final without a coin toss / drawing of lots.

The fact that the coin toss / drawing of lots (correctly) happened in this case simply opens up an old wound for me.

[corkery]

That is true but does not dilute the point.



If those grounds are good enough for every other match, they are good enough for the final.

If the criteria were exclusively based on the best ground or biggest capacity then Turners Cross would have automatically got the EA Sports Final without a coin toss / drawing of lots.

The fact that the coin toss / drawing of lots (correctly) happened in this case simply opens up an old wound for me.

Call a spade a spade, Oriel park is not suitable for a final.

[bullit]

Call a spade a spade, Oriel park is not suitable for a final.
Wrongggggg Boi !!
Dundalk Schoolboys cup final EVERY year since year dot ;)

[pateen]

For all Cork City and Derry fans based in London who can’t make it to Turners Cross on Saturday: The League cup final will be show live in the Hoppole in Wandsworth from 5.30.
Finger food will be provided by Colm the owner after the game.
All are welcome.

Nearest Train, Wandsworth Town train station. (15 mins from Waterloo)
Clapham Junction, Take bus 39, 170, 337, 37, 156 (10 mins)

Nearest Tube, East Putney

Location: The Hop Pole
Putney Bridge Rd
SW18 1HR

[A face]

Here are some pics (http://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/1109262/) before the final on Saturday

[outspoken]

For any FIFA 12 lovers out there its been revealed that the EA Sports Cup will now feature in the game, hopefully that means 1st division clubs just pointless otherwise.

[El-Pietro]

ill buy it if the First Division clubs are included alright

[nigel-harps1954]

If the first division isn't included in the league section then there's no hope of them being included in the EA sports cup. They may have one or 2 clubs there at most but not a hope they'll have them all.

[Lim till i die]

Here are some pics (http://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/1109262/) before the final on Saturday

Turners Cross is looking well. :good:

[sullanefc]

Turners Cross is looking well. :good:

The new extension is looking well alright.

[adamd164]

This is live on Setanta tonight, KO 6pm. Also streams available online for it.

[A N Mouse]

This is live on Setanta tonight, KO 6pm. Also streams available online for it.

links or pointers appreciated

[BonnieShels]

For any FIFA 12 lovers out there its been revealed that the EA Sports Cup will now feature in the game, hopefully that means 1st division clubs just pointless otherwise.


The last thing I needed was an excuse to buy that piece of crap of a game but...

[Dunny]

Good stream: http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/8115/1/cork-city-vs-derry-city.html

[SwanVsDalton]

Good game this. Impressed with Cork, they're swarming all over us at times.

[dfx-]

Entertaining game, probably draw a fair reflection at half time.

[Cuyahoga]

Derry were jammy. Cork deserved extratime at least.

[SwanVsDalton]

Ten League Cup's now. Wonder if we can trade them in for one league title?

[sligoman]

Good to see two new teams get to a final so quickly into their LOI careers.

[Hibs4Ever]

Wonder what is Zayeds opinion on players laughing and joking during a national anthem?

[adamd164]

It's not Derry's national anthem anyway so they had no real reason to respect it I spose.

[Rasputin]

Wonder what is Zayeds opinion on players laughing and joking during a national anthem?
Deep, check and mate Mr Zayed.

[BonnieShels]

It's not Derry's national anthem anyway so they had no real reason to respect it I spose.

Idiotic comment.

[monkey9]

Wonder what is Zayeds opinion on players laughing and joking during a national anthem?

I'd say he doesn't give one f*ck and is just happy with his league cup winners medal. Isn't an issue for him, i'd say. Why do you ask??

[Charlie Darwin]

What happened with Zayed? I missed the start of the match.

[adamd164]

Idiotic comment.

http://www.channeledgecharters.com/blogger/06-20-05%20One%20of%20Bob's%20First%20Ever%20Stripers.jp g

[sheao]

Have to give the lads credit. We have shown the country why we would be an asset to the premier division .
They put in a decent effort and we probably deserved more than what we got , we can only imagine how it would have been if Graham's shot have gone in .

We were good going forward at times, but it was our final ball that was missing . We have a very good young team and they can only get better and hopefully will learn from games like last night.

If anything, last night shows that we are more than able to hold our own in the premier division should we get promoted . 3 competitive games we have had with premier opposition and we have given a good account of ourselves in all of those games.

Back to basics from here on in, We have 5 cup finals in the form of our league games . I would rather win all of them than win the game last night in the greater scheme of things.
Reason for that, I want more nights like last night at the cross and that is what we will get in the premier division.


Also congrats to Derry on winning what was a great encounter.

[legendz]

Hat's off to Derry for winning! Success breathes success. Off the back of their First Division title and now League Cup triumph, will they win more silverware this year?

[sullanefc]

Hat's off to Derry for winning! Success breathes success. Off the back of their First Division title and now League Cup triumph, will they win more silverware this year?

Success breeds success. ;)